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Long Game 44: Shadows of Elantris Redux
TheMightyLopen replied to Herowannabe's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Hmmmm, well, I kinda didn't read the entire descriptions for each character, and my dude is pretty similar to Joe's, so I'll just erase my guy's memories. Nigel was horrified at the news of the Patriarch's death. Nervously, he began to pace the Grand Hall. "Why did I come to the Palace now of all times?" he mumbled to himself. He stopped abruptly as he realized he didn't have a clue why he was there. "I remember...I remember it had something to do with the Patriarch...but surely...surely it wasn't to murder him?" He glanced around the Hall at the others, and started to feel sick. He was either a murderer, or someone here was one. Maybe there was more than one! His hands started sweating as he... Wait. More than one what? He struggled to remember what he'd just been so worried about, but couldn't seem to recall it. Well, I'm sure it wasn't anything too bad, otherwise I wouldn't have forgotten it! he thought to himself. He started wandering around, looking for something to eat. Let's see, discussion stuff. Well, I don't see any reason the converts shouldn't claim either. Jeskeri pendants - I agree with Rand on this one. Just leave it to the owners discretion. I'd personally suggest waiting to use it for a few Cycles, then either target you're highest suspicion, or if you're not sure, target a player who's widely suspected, which will help discussion(if the player is village, it keeps us from wasting a Day of discussion about lynching them, and if they're evil then great!). The chance of you getting scanned also keeps going up the longer you hold on to it, so I'd say it's best used around Cycle 3 or 4. I'm not sure what I think about the Shu-Dereth pendants. I think using them on a convert is the safer option, but it seems like a bit of a waste to kind of throw away a game mechanic(no ulterior motives here I swear ). Best usage I can see is waiting until a player you think is village gets converted and then using the pendant on them to help them to survive. If you use it on a player and then that player becomes a lynch target, it might be a good idea to alert people so a lynch isn't wasted(not sure this is a good idea though, since it defeats the purpose of having used it on said person a bit). I guess that's it for now. Will likely vote tomorrow. -
Long Game 44: Shadows of Elantris Redux
TheMightyLopen replied to Herowannabe's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Okay, procrastinating aside(because I have no time left ), I'm signing up! I'll be Nigel, a doctor of some renown, infamous for his magical cures that are 110% guaranteed to work! Edit: Oh, hi Aman -
Good game everyone, and well done eliminators! Thanks for a great game Drake! Next time I ask for a mass role reveal you'll all know I'm village.
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I include myself because otherwise I think I'm missing someone(like, I only have 12 players in my reads list when there's 13 alive, and it sometimes confuses me ). Wow, yeah, I had forgotten I'd said that, but the thing with Elenion is that I tend to be suspicious of him. Not sure what it is that makes me suspicious of him all of the time, but since I've realized I tend to do that, I try to give him more time to prove himself village before I lynch him than other suspicions I have. So, nothing he'd said up to the point where I voted on him made me think he was village, whereas a couple things he'd said had made me suspicious.
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I thought Arinian was village and was the only one up for the lynch. I'd had mixed feelings about Elenion throughout the game, so when the chance came I decided to try and lynch a player I was unsure about rather than let a player I thought was village die for sure. Looking back it probably wasn't a good idea, and I now remember why I try not to vote within the last half hour of a Cycle. >> For what it's worth, I don't think I'd have tried to save Mac or Arinian if they were my evil teammate at that point, since I think most people had stated fairly positive reads on me and last minute vote changes are always scrutinized if the player lynched turns up village.
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Shqueeves just PM'd me this Cycle and told me he's heard of a role like this actually. He said that it's a role similar to the Worldhopper in the AG. I agree that there's probably more than 1 eliminator at this point. Probably 3 or 4. Maybe they all have roles though? Since Awakener and Sentry both seem much more helpful for the village, maybe Drake gave them more roles than the village to help them blend in. Yeah, some of my PM's have really died off. I was planning on trying to keep active PM's with every player, but with the low amount of roles in the game it makes it hard to have discussion about any types of strategy beyond just saying "watch for suspicious activity" or something. I have said I thought Mac was village a couple times, so I think it's understandable that I'd try to go for someone else in the lynch. And also, if you remember, I didn't even realize Mac was up for the lynch when I voted on Elenion. Someone(Devotary I think) pointed out that my vote tally was wrong and that it was a 3-way tie. Of course, you could think that was me trying to put on an act or something, but I always try to keep my vote tallies correct, otherwise people might draw inaccurate conclusions about someone I'm trying to protect by leaving a vote off of them or something like that. I'll admit that asking for a role reveal was mostly for a laugh, but I seriously think it would be interesting to do. I also don't have any good suspicions, so I thought I'd do something bolder to see if I could get some reactions I could analyze. (I'm a Soldier, btw. Considering I asked for role reveals, I thought I'd just go ahead and throw that out there.) Vote tally: Lopen(2): Arinian, Bort Mac(1): Monster Arinian(1): Joe Monster(1): BR Legend(1): Lopen Here are my reads: Village: Monster, Joe, Ripple, Coop, Mac, Shqueeves, Arinian, Lopen, Drought(probably wrong about at least one of these, my top suspect would probably be Arinian) Neutral: Ecthelion, BR Elim: Devotary, Bort, Legend I will help lynch any of the 5 players in my Neutral/Elim reads. I feel like Legend is buddying up to me a little, because he voted alongside me on Cycle 2 and also told me in our PM he thought I was either an excellent eliminator or a villager, and that he wanted to trust me, which seemed to me like a little too much trust too early. Bort, mostly because of his posts this Cycle. I'd had him as Neutral until now, but his lack of reaction to no kills seems questionable and I don't like people voting on me. Devotary, still wary of. Since I've already tried lynching Devotary and I don't like retaliatory votes very much, Legend.
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That post reads very village to me. And thinking about it, I feel like the only reads I've had that I feel I can trust are village ones. So either the eliminators are playing very well, or there's trickery going on here. No kills for the first 3 Cycles is really odd. I don't think I've ever seen that before. @Drake Marshall, are there any secret roles or rules in this game? Maybe we need to re-kill the players we've lynched? Or recruit the dead somehow? I've made PM's with most players, and asked for roleclaims but haven't received an Awakener claim, and no one has come forward claiming to have an Awakener contact, unfortunately, so we haven't been able to get any feedback from the dead. Personally, I would suggest Monster as a contact, since he's my strongest village read(I PM'd him last cycle and told him as such too, so no need to worry I'm just pulling this out of thin air), and apparently he's Joe's strongest read as well. Also...sorry Elenion(and Drake for making you change the write-up >>). I'm seriously at a loss for suspicions at the moment. I kinda want to ask for a mass roleclaim just to see if that might shed some light on things...is that suspicious?
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Is my vote tally wrong? Because mine says only Arinian and Elenion have 3 votes.
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Vote tally: Arinian (3): Ripple, Shqueeves, Mac Shqueeves (2): Drought, Brightness RadiantMac (2): Len, MonsterDrought (2): Arinian, CoopBrightnessRadiant (1): Ecthelion IIIElenion (3): Bort, Joe, LopenJoe (1): Devotary Bort(1): Legend Strange as it may sound, I'm leaning village for all 4 of Arinian, Shqueeves, Mac, and Drought. No idea about Elenion, but I do agree with Joe that it seems likely Mac has a role and that's why Coop is defending him. So...I guess it's better to lynch Elenion than a player I've got a village read on. Devotary.
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Shqueeves is not a Captain. Or at least, he's claiming he didn't remove your vote. He's told me in PM and he just admitted it in thread. Could you explain your vouching for Mac? It sounds like you have more information on him than the rest of us.
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It's also partly your tone, in that everything you say seems measured. In my experience, eliminators are usually the ones who are extra careful with their wording, whereas villagers often just post their thoughts without thinking about what might or might not look suspicious. If you posted more of a stream of thought post or got involved in a back and forth where your responses were only a few minutes after the most recent posts, I'd have less reason to suspect you of calculating your posts so as not to draw suspicion. I don't think that's entirely true. If Shqueeves isn't a captain, then the captain is probably an eliminator, but they could be trying to frame Shqueeves, so I don't think it's entirely fair to say he's either a captain or an eliminator. I've given my thoughts on pretty much every lynch candidate and tried to drive the lynch toward those I was more suspicious of, so I disagree. I've considered voting for you. You're strongly leaning village for him? Why? He hasn't done anything I'd consider obviously village. Another reason why I'm voting on Devotary is that I suspect that most of the players we've been focusing on so far(Mac, Shqueeves, you, Monster) are village, so I'm trying to make sure we don't let anyone just stay in the background of discussion and quietly make their way through the entire game(or at least these early Cycles). I think most everyone has gotten some comments on them at this point, but they haven't been close to being lynched, which is when the best discussion happens about a player.
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So, Coop's vote was cancelled, and there was no eliminator kill once again. Not sure what to make of that, but I'm fine with no kills! One thing I thought of as a possibility is that they have a Sentry or 2, so they're trying to find Awakeners/Sentries before they start making kills. That does get into IKYK territory a bit though, so I wouldn't use that as a sole reason for suspecting someone. Another thought is that none of them have really been in hot water so far, so they're confident enough to forego a couple kills to mess with us. Coop's vote being cancelled: Either Shqueeves removed the vote, or else it was probably an eliminator. Only way I see it being a villager is if it was one of the Straw voters. Shqueeves voted on Straw 1 hour before rollover. I think I'm getting the impression that it was Shqueeves who cancelled the vote, because of him telling Coop it was okay for him to vote on him for survival last Cycle. Not something you'd usually see, unless he knew he could just cancel it. Anyways, moving on, vote analysis of the Straw voters. We already know Shqueeves voted in self-defense, so no explanation needed. Mac's vote on Straw was also out of self-preservation, which doesn't help much. Elenion's vote on Straw was because he said he thought Straw's playstyle was more aggressive than normal. Monster PM'd me about this asking if I agreed, to which I responded that Straw's playstyle is fairly erratic, so I didn't think he'd done anything too out of character. So, slight suspicion of Elenion, but something else I said to Monster was that I don't think Len would say something in thread he didn't think he couldn't back up, so I'm not counting it as particularly suspicious. Out of the 4 votes, I think Joe's was the most suspicious, because it seems like a reach to have suspected Straw because of him putting a single vote on Randuir on Cycle 1. Just to be clear though, Shqueeves and Mac could be more suspicious than Joe, I'm just saying that their votes were NAI and his was slightly suspicious. At the moment, I'd still like to put some more pressure on Devotary. Same reasons: he seems to be in that category of "active enough but not trying to be a leading voice" that elims are often in.
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Vote tally: Straw(4): Joe, Mac, Elenion, ShqueevesShqueeves(3): Devotary, Coop, BR Devotary(3): Lopen, Legend, Monster Mac(2): Ripple, Straw Arinian(1): Drought Drought(1): ArinianElenion(1): Ecthelion Ripple(1): Bort Everyone has voted now. This is interesting stuff. Edit: Added 1 vote stuff for Ripple
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Ah, I see what you meant. Thanks. Updated vote tally: Mac(3): Ripple, Straw, ShqueevesStraw(3): Joe, Mac, ElenionShqueeves(3): Devotary, Coop, BR Devotary(2): Lopen, Legend Arinian(1): Drought Drought(1): ArinianElenion(1): Ecthelion Ripple(1): Bort Everyone's voted, besides Monster(I've PM'd him though). Awesome. In that case, vote analysis. Ecthelion voted because of busy-ness, which means it's NAI. Arinian voted on Drought in retaliation because he doesn't understand why Drought is suspicious of him. < don't agree with reasoning here Drought voted on Arinian because he didn't try to explain why he isn't an elim. < somewhat agree with suspicion Bort voted on Ripple for calling out Mac for trying to avoid suspicion. < neutral read on this one. He's staying out of the main voting, but so am I... Hm, I think I'll do the rest next Cycle, since things will be clearer then(maybe ). Overall, my top 2 choices are Shqueeves and Devotary I think. Of course, Devotary is voting on Shqueeves, so I don't really feel like switching to him... :/
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Using an RNG is not the least suspicious route available, in my opinion. If you go through the thread and you honestly don't have any suspicions, then I think it's okay for you to admit that and simply not vote, or at least place your vote on a player without any votes at that point. What I consider suspicious is when someone does something solely for the purpose of drawing attention away from themselves. In this case, laying out your thoughts like this makes me trust you a little more I think. This reads slightly village to me, because of the suggestion of looking at Joe, Coop, and Mac if he ends up dead. That part about Mac seems a little ambiguous. Just because he's given reasoning he's off the hook? Do you agree with the reasoning? Because eliminators probably give reasoning for votes more often than villagers.
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Umm, this may come off as suspicious, but I didn't even realize there was no eliminator kill. I guess I forgot that the kill was supposed to happen at the same time as the lynch, since this is a QF. So, yeah, I think the possibilities for why there was no kill have already been laid out, so I don't have anything to add. Here is a vote tally: Mac(3): Ripple, Straw, Shqueeves Straw(2): Monster, Joe Arinian(2): Drought, Mac Shqueeves(1): Devotary Drought(1): Arinian Devotary(1): Lopen I think I'm going to remove my vote from Shqueeves and place it on Devotary. Shqueeves saying he didn't particularly care who died actually struck me as village, although I can't say I like the attitude. Anyways, I'm voting for Devotary because I feel like he's in that category of posting and being active but not drawing any attention that eliminators often fit into. (Also he totally ninja'd me with that list of who hasn't voted yet >>)
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Anniversary Game 4/Anonymous Game 1: A Fresh Start
TheMightyLopen replied to Orlok Tsubodai's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Seriously Rae, amazing job! You had me completely fooled. This was a really great Anniversary Game, IMO. Huge thanks to Orlok and all those who helped with write-ups and everything. I had a lot of fun while I was alive, and things got really interesting at the end. Great game eliminators! I feel like the village is slowly getting closer each year, so maybe next year the curse will finally be broken. I got a pass! Sweet! Congratulations to the other winners as well! -
That is unfortunate. I was going to move my vote somewhere else probably, but after I posted that last time a little more than an hour before rollover, I completely blanked until about 15 minutes past rollover. At least Rand can still help from the grave! Assuming we've got a village Awakener at least. From what I can tell, both Monster and Joe look more village than eliminator from those last minute votes(if you believe Joe's explanation, which I think I do). Only way I see what they did as suspect is if Mac is an eliminator, which I kind of doubt(would draw too much attention to both Mac and whoever tried to save him, in this case one of Monster or Joe, and that would risk being outed if Mac was the unlucky victim of the lynch). That's my read of the situation at least. Also, it's awesome that everyone voted! Let's make sure to keep that going(or else you'll die ). In that line of thought, Shqueeves. You voted on me for my character name, and didn't get involved in voting after that, even once your vote on me got me tied for the lynch. Does that mean you wanted to actually lynch me?
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I'm considering switching my vote back to Monster as well, mostly out of self preservation, but also because I think I suspect him a little more than Mac. Reason being votes on inactives probably draw more attention than a completely random vote, which makes it less ideal for Mac to do that as an eliminator. I'll hold off on switching just yet though, since a 4 way tie is interesting.
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Updated vote tally: Arinian(2) Elenion, Droughtbringer Lopen(2) Shqueeves, Monster Randuir(2) Straw, Mac Ecthelion(1) Coop Monster(1) Devotary Straw(1) Randuir Legend(1) Bort Elenion(1) Brightness Droughtbringer(1) Ripplegylf Shqueeves(1) Arinian Ripple(1) Ecthelion Mac(1) Lopen Bort(1) Legend Not a big fan of the top 3 candidates, if I'm being honest. @Droughtbringer voted on Arinian as a poke vote, meaning he'll likely remove it now that Arinian has voted, and Shqueeves voted on me for my character name, while Ecthelion was voted on for being inactive...ninja'd, fixed the vote tally. It's now an even more interesting 3 way tie. Not a big fan of lynching Rand, considering how active he usually is, but it does shake things up... >> Aaaand I got distracted by discord and stuff, so now I'm finishing this post an hour later. Whatever, I'll just post it.
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Livinglegend or Shqueeves probably. I agree that Straw gets lynched early too much, Len and Rand are posting a bunch and I have a mild village read from Droughts big post(although I do find it weird how he's not reading the rules, but that doesn't seem alignment indicative). I've sent PM's to both livinglegend and Shqueeves, and they have both responded, but livinglegend still has yet to post, and Shqueeves is voting on me. I really would like to not die this early, but in this case, I'm not asking you to remove your vote from me, since it's an actual vote rather than a vote because I literally asked for it which is the only reason I asked him to remove it. Normally I'd explain my opinions more to get a player to remove a vote from me, as I'm doing now. Now that you've voted, I'll remove my vote from you. I'm still slightly suspicious, given you didn't vote until prompted and your vote was a retaliation vote(an easy way out sorta), but I don't think it's worth lynching over. Monster Because I don't agree with lynching an inactive, Mac. May switch over to Legend or one of the other 2 votes later though.
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Now it's 2. BR voted on Elenion. And I'm not sure what good it is voting on an inactive. He'll die next cycle if he doesn't get on.
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Yeah but that means he's only got 1 vote, so he's not in danger of dying...
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Who else voted on Ecth? I don't see it in Devotary's vote tally.
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Many thanks kind sir. This means Arinian and Monster are currently tied for the lynch with 2 votes each.
