TheMightyLopen

I remember a few games back he was an eliminator and I was accusing him of the same exact thing. I can't really recall his games as a villager though, so it could just be his play style. I went and looked through his posts, and really couldn't form an opinion either way. As I mentioned in the thread, I was Gyorn hunting. I'll likely focus on the Jeskeri during the Day and the Gyorn at Night. The only reason I was focusing on the Gyorn this last Day was because we'd already decided the lynch, so my accusations would've been toothless. Maybe I'll message one of the Elantrians during the Day so he can explain his suspicion to me then. Unless you know his reasons for suspecting me? If you do, I can respond to them right now.

I kinda thought this might be coming... My detailed explanation about my switch to Rand was slightly because I was worried he'd flip village and my vote would be scrutinized. You and Aman both wanted to lynch Rand, and I didn't think we'd get any other bandwagon to save Bort at that point since you both are very convincing in your accusations, so I voted for the player I thought was more likely to be an eliminator. That was the biggest reason I switched my vote. The reasoning I laid out afterwards was kind of me convincing myself it was worth it. If you'll go back to where I posted my reads, I believe I had Rand as slightly village, so I wasn't crazy about him as the target, but my D1 reads aren't all that accurate, so if 2 players whose abilities to catch eliminators I respect say they both suspect the same player by D1, and my vote can help save someone I strongly think is village, I'll go for it even if it might get me suspected if I'm wrong. I don't think I can really say much about the post where I mention Aman targeted Araris. I can say that I was slightly suspicious of Araris and mentioned that about an hour before the Night ended, so when I got back online like, 15 minutes after the new Cycle was posted, I went back and saw that Aman had targeted Araris and that Araris hadn't died, hence my excitement. I'm not sure if this really contributed, but I PM'd Aman on D1 along with Pyro, Bort, and Kidpen, and Aman said he was considering using the Pendant on one of us, so I was also glad he hadn't decided to use it on me. I think I mentioned that I think a decent amount of the Jeskeri are hidden from scans as well. The part that I'd disagree with is having more Jeskeri Pendants than Jeskeri. That, to me, seems like too much power for the village. I understand that they'd be helping the Jeskeri when they kill villagers, but if they were fairly accurate with them, it could end the game fairly fast, which hurts the Gyorn's chances. So because I don't think there are that many more Jeskeri Pendants out there, I think any scans that turn up Jeskeri are worth pursuing to some degree, which is why I mentioned that. I do think it's a fair point to be brought up though, and I could be convinced otherwise, considering we've already uncovered 2 Jeskeri Pendants and we're only at the 2nd Night. In my defense, I put it up to discussion, but no one responded to it until just now. It's not like it was an actual discussion and I was actively trying to convince people we should trust any Jeskeri scans. I thought that because people brought up Amans scans, we should discuss what we wanted to do if he got a scan showing Jeskeri. I tried to keep discussion alive during the Day, but it seems like all of the things I brought up caused you to be even more suspicious of me. I was trying to prove to Aman I wasn't the Gyorn, and revealed my role to do it. I'm trying to remove myself as an obstacle to the village, which is something I think every villager should be trying to do. My philosophy of how to play is to 1. Try to find the opponents and 2. If you fail at that, at least remove yourself as a suspect so others can do number 1 easier. I feel like this is very tunnel-y to say. Stating your opinions about my posts like fact, rather than simply your opinion, and stating your vote for the next Day will be me, as if your mind can't be changed. In response to Drake, putting a vote on Araris so early could have scared off any eliminators from trying to defend him. If I think there's a very high chance someone is an eliminator, better to just downplay my suspicion and see if the other eliminators will try and convince me otherwise than to state I'm certain someone is an eliminator and cause the other eliminators to bus them, which makes it harder to find future leads. In this particular case, I don't think it would matter either way, since it was very clear Araris was doomed, but it's just my general policy not to jump on a bandwagon immediately.

That's true I guess. It would mean I had the secret passphrase and was working with the Prince who moved King Cole's vote. I'm not suggesting anyone completely trusts the players who defended Bort, but I do think it was more of a village thing to do, so any eliminators who gain some trust from it deserve it, IMO. I respect everyone in SE enough that one village-looking action isn't going to entirely persuade me they couldn't be a murderous Cultist.

That it was a plan very poorly handled on my part. :/ I'm a Prince with a Seon. I PM'd Pyro and told him I was a Prince and was going to prove it this Cycle to help narrow down who the Gyorn could be. As I did 3 actions(Seon, Prince, and vote), according to Hero's clarification, my vote is the action that gets cancelled. I was hoping since the votes were a non-issue this Cycle no one would notice, but noooo, you guys have to point it out straightaway and try to figure it out, as if it's relevant. Interesting to note, however, I was the only player to not have a vote down at the end of the Cycle. That's a weird feeling for me.

This is something worth analyzing. If anyone is having trouble figuring out what to do with the lynch being decided, go back over the Day 1 lynch, and look at who strongly defended Bort somehow. Post your thoughts on who you think is village based on the idea that: "The Jeskeri killed Bort because they knew that some villagers were convinced Bort was village, meaning it would be extremely difficult to get him lynched later in the game." Try to figure out who the "some villagers" are that convinced the Jeskeri to off Bort. Honest talk here: I was one of the first players to create a counter-wagon so Bort would survive, and here I am saying that type of thing is a village indicator, which makes it look like I'm trying to convince you I'm village in a roundabout way. I wanted to put that out there so I don't get accused of doing something shady. (Also I am totally village )

It's really only for this Cycle, since Amans scans can't be trusted as much as a Jeskeri Pendant use. And revealing a village scan puts that player in danger. I do think it's a little excessive how many Pms Aman has gotten, but hopefully that will also stop after this Turn so we can get more communication. Whoever posted the most the previous Cycle? Trying to think of something more creative, but nothing's coming to mind...

Based on that description, it was probably me.

I was kind of assuming he scanned a villager/got a village result, but whatever his scan, I'm not sure how much we can trust it either way, considering we've already seen 2 Jeskeri Pendants, and if Araris is telling the truth about having a Korathi Pendant, that's 2 Korathi Pendants we're aware of(Randuir also had one). Although, since Araris probably has one, that does mean an elim scan is that much more likely to be an actual elim(because we've gotten rid of 2 Jeskeri Pendants, and a Jeskeri with a Korathi Pendant, meaning the chances of catching a Jeskeri with scans has only gone up since the game began...I think), in which case it probably would be a good idea for Aman to reveal any Jeskeri scans he gets. I feel like at least 1 or 2 Jeskeri are vulnerable to scans, but that there's still a 1 or 2 villagers who have a Jeskeri Pendant. That does seem like a lot of firepower for the village, although they can only kill villagers. I don't know, percentage wise, we've already uncovered 2 players with Jeskeri Pendants, so it seems like there should still be a couple out there. I'm just going in circles now. xD I wanted to do more Gyorn hunting, but my brain isn't clear enough to do analysis I'd trust, so I'm heading off.

I also take it from your RP that you're not the Odiv, which means that the only possible convert who could be the Odiv at this point is the one unknown convert(there's Araris, Elenion, an Elantrian, and mystery person). Since we've still got almost 24 hours left, who wants to go Gyorn hunting? Or we could try and connect Araris to other people. Personally, looking for the Gyorn sounds funner to me at the moment, so I think that's what I'll do. At this point, I don't have many ideas about how to narrow it down, but here's my current thoughts. The Gyorn doesn't want their converts to die, as that hurts their win con. I don't think they'd actively defend their converts so early, but I am curious to know who the 2 players who had the Shu-Dereth pendants were, because if they were in any danger of the lynch D1, the Gyorn may have tried to step in and prevent their death somehow(redirecting the lynch or semi-defending them). I doubt that's gonna give any leads, but I don't see the harm in the original pendant holders revealing? If not, I don't mind too much. Anyways, moving on. The Gyorn's first convert was an Elantrian. Aman has said he thinks he knows their strat, but I've got no idea what it could be. As others have said, converting Elantrians does make it less likely the converts will die, since we probably won't lynch them and the Cultists probably won't kill them, but it also doesn't give the Gyorn good options for an Odiv I wouldn't think. Wouldn't they want their Odiv to have the ability to convert anyone, not just Elantrians? Another thing I thought of is that we can remove those with roles as suspects(unless the Gyorn has secret powers similar to roles, which would make things annoying), meaning Aman and Kidpen are cleared of being the Gyorn. We can also eliminate all of the Elantrians as suspects, obviously. I wouldn't be surprised if the Gyorn had a pendant of some kind, otherwise they'd have no way to defend themselves from a lucky scan. A Seon also might be useful, to try and gather information to help them pick an Odiv, but I don't think it's as necessary as a pendant. Hmm, something I just thought of - it's possible the Gyorn started with a Poison vial and poisoned themselves just now to help them avoid attention/suspicion, and they converted an Elantrian just now so they could make them their Odiv while they're in Elantris. Ehhh, not sure how likely I think that plan is. There's no guarantee a lot of people will become Elantrian, so their Odiv could potentially run out of players to convert if they can only target Elantrians. Okay, well, that's all from me for now. I'll probably revisit this and start looking over the player list to see who I might suspect later tonight.

I was actually trying to phrase it in such a way where you couldn't tell what I thought about Len, but apparently it really didn't come out that way. To be clear, I agree with Wilson that it makes Len look more village for exactly the reasons she pointed out, but I was trying to get others thoughts on it to help discussion since we were kind of just waiting to hear confirmation from Aman about Araris and I didn't want my opinion to have any sway over the answers. Considering all 4 of Pyro, Dalinar, Len, and you thought I was saying I thought it was suspicious, looks like I failed. Speaking of which, Araris. Nice work Aman. I also agree with Len's assessment of Pyro. I would expect the Jeskeri to be watching last Night's thread very closely to see who was picked. Edit: Here's my feelings on people right now. Elantrians are underlined. Village: Wilson, Elenion, King Cole, Mraize, Walin(his opening post this Phase sounded village to me), Pyro, Dalinar, Aman Can't tell: Straw, Joe, Imperial Mint, Seonid, Arinian, Devotary, Drake, Kidpen, Cadmium, Drought, Kynedath Eliminator: Eternum, Steeldancer, HH

If Aman did use the Pendant on Araris, meaning Araris is Jeskeri, how does this post by Elenion make you all feel?

Wow! So this means Araris is a Cultist right? Aman said he was using it on Araris, and Araris is still alive. Aman posted at the very end of the Night Pyro. And hey, maybe Aman will still survive for a while now that he's in Elantris, and so his power isn't as harmful to the Jeskeri!

Wow, this is one of the busiest Nights I've ever seen. I guess that happens when a scanner is revealed, who also has a kill/scan item... Okay, so I looked over all of the vote changes when the lynch switched from Bort to Rand, and here are the changes: Me, Wilson, Seonid, and Pyro switched from Eternum to Rand. HH switched from Badger to Rand, Straw and Araris simply removed their votes from Bort and Devotary switched from Bort to Rand. I feel like there's got to be at least one eliminator in this group, but not more than 2. As for which ones I think could be evil...that'll have to wait until after dinner sadly. Just in case I die, gut feeling reading over things were that HH and Araris were a little shady looking.

Yeah, that really sucks. Sorry about that Rand. :/ I'll take a look at all of the votes tomorrow and see what I can find.

No-votes is always stifling discussion. I say we lynch him!

Just for clarity, another updated vote tally: (6) Bort: Elenion, Eternum, Araris Valerian, Randuir, Arinian, Kidpen (7) randuir: Amanuensis, Seonid, Hemalurgic Headshot, little wilson, TheMightyLopen, TheYoungPyromancer, Devotary of Spontaneity (1) The Honey Badger: Mraize, (1) Araris Valerian: A Joe in the Bush, (1) Straw: Stink, No-votes(7): Steeldancer, Straw, King Cole, Honey Badger, Drake Marshall, Bort, Dalinar Elantrians(3): Cadmium, Droughtbringer, Kynedath

Rand, huh? I would really hate to be wrong, partly because he's usually so active and partly because I think the last game I played with him he was lynched C1 and I enjoy playing with him, but I do think Bort is more likely to be village than Rand at this point. Actually, the thing that I think is most suspicious about that post Aman quoted was the bit where Rand leaned village on Kidpen for that opening statement of "I'm an eliminator." Kidpen said they do that at the start of every game, so I was viewing it as completely neutral, and I don't see how it could be used as evidence why Kidpen is village, so it seems like buddying up. Eternum. Randuir. Edited for Vote tally: (7) Bort: Elenion, Eternum, Araris Valerian, Randuir, Arinian, Devotary of Spontaneity, Kidpen, (1) Eternum: TheYoungPyromancer, (1) The Honey Badger: Mraize, (1) Araris Valerian: A Joe in the Bush, (1) Straw: Stink, (5) randuir: Amanuensis, Seonid, Hemalurgic Headshot, little wilson, TheMightyLopen

Huh. I thought the Day was over [insert time when you actually finish your post]30 minutes ago, which is why I was so hurried. I'm back now though, and the lynch on Eternum actually seems to have gained momentum. Initially I was suspicious of him because he posted early on about the Joe/Kidpen claiming to be elims saying that we had stuff to talk about, but then didn't proceed to say what he thought about it or anything else(until a few hours ago, but I'm just now getting the time to read over what I missed in-depth). That's what my reasoning for voting him was. The other players voting on Bort I didn't have any read on or I had slight village reads on(but again, I haven't had time to look over the Bort lynch, so those might change).

Not much of a counterlynch.

Well I was mildly suspicious of Eternum, so I guess he's my best guess. eternum steeldancer

The thought did cross my mind. It's a very risky ploy though.

I've got about 10 minutes to move my vote, so what's a good option? Also I'm on mobile so my posts will be slow and short.

@Kidpen, here is the post where Mraize voted for you. And to answer Mraize, you are correct about the colors of voting. Sure, I just thought it seemed like you were staying out of discussion for the most part and it made me think you might be trying to stay out of the spotlight, which is usually what eliminators are trying to do. In my opinion, I think villagers should worry more about catching eliminators than not getting lynched(although obviously it is a bummer when you get lynched ). It only cancels votes made that Day? Huh, yep, you're right. Okay, I thought it canceled votes from converts from that point on, so nevermind then. It was mostly just me rambling anyways...

Well, I looked over all of the posts so far, and here are my initial feelings on everyone: Hasn't posted: Wilson, Honey Badger, Dalinar Elantrians: Kynedath, Cadmium, Drought Mostly or only RP: Imperial Mint(STINK), Mraize Neutral: Joe, Arinian, Araris, Elenion, Devotary, Bort, Kidpen, Aman, Seonid, Lopen Slightly village: Straw(gut), King Cole(couldn't think of anything to say so didn't force something to appear village), Drake(can't remember), Randuir(gut), HH(only posted RP, but I feel like he'd have wanted to post game discussion to appear village if he was evil) Slightly elim: Steeldancer(posted about getting the focus back on Jeskeri, but backed down once Joe responded, so it kind of felt like he was trying to get village points and didn't actually care if discussion turned to the Jeskeri), Eternum(posted once about having stuff to talk about and then doesn't talk anymore), Pyro(I kept up with LG43 a little, and he seemed more involved in discussion in that game than he is right now. Also, he's keeping his vote on Kidpen which I thought was more of a joke than a serious vote, which seems a little strange.) I left it to RNG between my 3 suspects and it chose Steel. Along with the point I brought up above, I'd also like to hear what you meant about getting the Derethi to help you catch the Jeskeri. Given the village's win con is to kill Jeskeri and the Gyorn and Odiv, I don't see how you could recruit them(I guess a joint win is technically possible, but it would be practically impossible to pull off). Plus, I don't know how the Gyorn or Odiv could help the village...actually, if the Odiv was previously a Jeskeri, they could possibly help prolong the game by revealing a Jeskeri or 2 if the village is about to lose. But still, doesn't seem likely to happen. Vote tally: Kidpen(2): Pyro, Mraize Araris(1): Joe Seonid(1): Drake Steel(1): Lopen

I was suggesting the Derethi converts should claim. I was also suggesting we hold on to the Shu-Dereth pendants until someone we trust is converted and reveals that they were converted, and then use it on them so it helps them survive/gets rid of the Pendant without converting another player. I think you just misread my post? Agreed about designating heirs. I'm not so sure about the Priest always scanning the second most voted player though. In a strongly contested lynch between 2 players, it might be worth it, but I don't think the second most voted player is consistently an eliminator enough to warrant a scan every Cycle. It probably would be helpful to have a PM or 2 with Elantrians, but I don't think we need every PM to be made with an Elantrian, especially so early in the game when there's only 3 Elantrians and they're just as lost as us(maybe more ). I'd also like to get a PM, soooo... Normally this is where I'd vote, but I don't see any good targets at the moment. I'll try to put a vote down later when I've got time to go over every post at once.