TheMightyLopen

Well there is the idea that the eliminators might be about to win and another villager lynch might secure the win. You can't see that as a possibility? Of course, that would mean one of their own was in danger of the lynch, meaning he'd have to pull this gambit, and I'd say you were definitely the most likely lynch target this Cycle. Also, you personally may not have done much that's suspicious, but you haven't done anything village either, that I can remember at least. You misunderstand what I said. I've played with Alv a lot. Something like 20 games or so? Maybe more than that. So I felt I could read him to some extent(turns out I can't >>), and I thought Ecth was going to scan him, so we'd have proof one way or the other. Is that really so hard to believe? There's still the problem of Ecth's claims. You either believe him, in which case you think I Bonded the Inkspren on C5, or you don't believe him, which means I'm being framed. How can you ignore that? Instead, focusing on a mistake I made last Cycle that seems fairly reasonable a mistake to make for a villager. I don't know how correct your analysis is, but I do know that the analysis itself is helpful because it tells us your opinions on players, which can help us decide if you're village or not. I feel confident you are.

Vote tally: Alvron(2): Jon, DA, Lopen Lopen(3): Ecth, Doc, Jon Ecthelion(0): Lopen Execute Arinian(4/8): Doc, Jon, Rand, Lopen Pardon Drake(3/12): Jon, Rand, Lopen Everyone needs to vote for every facet of the lynch. @Alvron, @A Joe in the Bush, @Elbereth, @Assassin in Burgundy, @TheSilverDragon, @JUQ, @Ecthelion III, @Shqueeves, @DroughtBringer, and @Darkness Ascendant. If we can get 8 of those 10 players to add their pardon vote to Drake, we could get him out with Jon's vote manipulation power(I don't think he'll end up needing it for the regular lynch). There is 4 inactives in there though. Storm them. I'll PM them, but I don't know how likely it is they'll see it. Still, I've got hope.

Tie lynch! Stick Not much reasoning here. She assumed the Rioter was an elim(I do too, but it's not a definite thing). Plus I'm curious to see if the Rioter will save one of these two.

Yeah, I messed up with that whole situation last Cycle. There wasn't any one thing that Alv said to me that changed my mind. As for why they didn't kill me, well, I believe they've only got 1 player free to use an Unjust action, and as close as it is, I think they didn't want Mage to get the Dustbringer spren, since that would give the village a kill role, and that is really the one sure thing that could stop them at this point. How is Ecth's story fitting together better? Explain it to me. I'm not gonna just let you put a vote on me with no better reason than that. Explain to me what you think happened/is happening. I've dismantled Ecth's story. There's absolutely no way I'd be as stupid as I'd have to have been to do what would be necessary for me to have done to be the Unjust Elsecaller. I can understand you voting on me, because I'm just about 100% sure you're Unjust, but I'm not going down without a fight, and if you can't show me and everyone else why you believe Ecth, I think that should be even more proof that I'm innocent. If my case for my innocence wasn't clear enough the first time, here's what the accusation/rebuttal is. Ecth says I'm the Elsecaller, but that he scanned me C4 or C5 and I didn't have a spren then. He then scanned me again this Cycle and saw that I had the Elsecaller spren. There are supposedly 2 unknown Bonds in which I could have bonded the Elsecaller spren. 1 on C3(which I know is the Elsecaller because someone else got it and Aman told me they did), and 1 on C5(which Arin says was a new Edgedancer). In order for Ecth to be telling the truth, me and Arin would have had to lie publicly about those Bonds being created. This would mean that no villager would have put Honor towards Elsecaller, Edgedancer, or whatever would supposedly have been Bonded on C3. Why would we take such a stupid risk???? How would we have the knowledge to have the confidence to make those claims? It's unbelievable that we would. It would mean instant death if any 3 of those Spren had had villagers trying to Bond them. All for what? What would I be trying to gain at that point by lying about which Bonds were created? Anonymity for my Bond? But if my teammate hadn't Bonded the Truthwatcher spren, wouldn't I be worried about being scanned? And so, if I knew that I was on thin ice about lying, why would I use my ability in such an incriminating way? It's beyond belief to think that I would. As it is, I'm going to move my vote to Alvron, since I believe he's the Elsecaller and I believe that stopping the Elsecaller is the only way we've still got a shot at pulling this off. I'm not sure if I did this yet either. Drake, Arinian.

I don't see any reason to doubt Ecth's claim. We know there's a Truthwatcher because of HH(confirmed Honorable going after Truthwatcher and he told us so), so it would be extremely foolish for Ecth to claim if he wasn't it(unless one of his Unjust teammates is actually the Truthwatcher, in which case it doesn't really make much difference). Next, you list the possible scenarios, but leave out a very important detail. Active player numbers. The active players are(9 plus Shqueeves): myself, you, Jondesu, Ecthelion, Alvron, Randuir, Joe(hopefully), Drought, and DA(nice analysis by the way!), plus Shqueeves is around as well. Inactives(5): Elbereth(please come back!), Assassin(you too!), SD(and you!), JUQ, and LA. Players in prison(3): Quiver, Arinian, Drake. Let's say that there's still 3 Unjust that aren't imprisoned(I'm guessing 4, but I'm also guessing you're trying to be optimistic since you think we can afford to waste 2 Cycles). That's 3 to 6, and they could have the Willshaper. You lynch me and I'm village, that's 3 to 5. If they Elsecall someone into prison and kill them, it's 3 to 4, and they've got voting power because of the Willshaper. Or maybe they wouldn't risk the inactives coming back, so they don't use the Elsecaller. So it's 3 to 5. You still have to execute me, meaning you're gonna lynch someone. At this point, you're going to be assuming I'm the Unjust Elsecaller, so you aren't going to go after the real one(probably Alv), you've no reason to go after Ecth if you believe him(please don't, I feel like I've laid it out as clearly as possible that he's lying), which means you've got a 1 out of 6 chance to hit the other Unjust. Chances are, you aren't going to lynch them. So another villager down, the elims kill someone, and the game ends before you can ever use the "solid lead" you get from my execution. What we really, really need to do is pardon Drake, execute Arinian, and imprison one of Ecth, Alv, or the Willshaper(honestly I've almost revealed your identity a million times since it's so glaringly obvious and I imagine the Unjust would have killed you by now unless you are one, which I suspect strongly). I think the best plan is to try and arrest the Elsecaller(so either Alvron or Rand, and I'm betting it's Alv since Ecth saved him last Cycle) now, execute him and arrest the Willshaper next Cycle, then arrest Ecth and execute the Willshaper. At that point, if the game doesn't end, I'm coming after you Doc. Well, I'll likely be dead by then since this is only happening if everyone believes me over Ecth, but you get the point.

Well, it would "clear" me by showing that Ecth is lying about his scan(s), meaning he's an Unjust framing me. So unless you think both me and Ecth are Unjust, yeah, it actually does clear me.

Sweet. Thanks for revealing that. I don't know, it just seemed weird that you'd be scanning specifically for the Elsecaller. But fine, if that's your story. I know because Aman told me someone else Bonded the spren on C4. I'd put all 6 of my Honor towards it, so I know it costs 5 or 6. You could have known Joe wasn't the Elsecaller because he didn't get any Honor on C5, so if he had Bonded a spren, he would have lost it then. I know they were Bonded the same Cycle because HH said he went for Truthwatcher and he got the message someone else got it at the end of C3 and someone got Elsecaller before me also at the end of C3. So no, there's 2 ways I'd know the Elsecaller was surely bonded C3. I asked Aman if there were 2 people going for the same spren, would the one with more Honor in that Order have a higher chance? And he said yes, so I put 3 more Honor towards an Inkspren. But I've saved my last 2 Honor since I don't think anyone else is going for Inkspren. Anyways, it's actually provable that the Elsecaller was Bonded at the end of C3 I think. Here's how the Bonds have gone(according to gathered info/claims): End of C2, there were 2 Bonds. Rae got Lightweaver, and the Willshaper got theirs. End of C3, there were 3 Bonds. Arin got Edgedancer, Ecth got Truthwatcher, and the mystery one(I know it's Elsecaller, but whatever). End of C4, there was 1 Bond. Drake got Dustbringer here and Arin lost his Bond. End of C5, there was 1 Bond. Arin claims it was another Edgedancer(I believe this is the one you're all accusing me of having gotten Elsecaller on?). End of C6, there were 2 Bonds. Another Lightweaver, and something I haven't figured out yet(but it can't be Elsecaller). End of C7, no Bonds were formed. So, let's look at the facts. The first Elsecall prison switch happened at the end of C5, meaning the Elsecaller Bonded their spren sometime before C6. It had to be either C3 or C5. Arin claims someone Bonded Edgedancer then. No one has claimed that that I know of, sadly. Ecth is, I think, claiming he scanned me with his second scan. First Drought on C4, then me on C5, then Joe/Quiver on C6, then me again just now. Aman, if a player Bonds a spren and gets scanned by the Truthwatcher on the same Cycle, what would the Truthwatcher see? Unfortunately, we don't know when Ecth scanned me the first time, since he's being very vague about it. :/ But there's also another way to try and prove this. The 3 Bonds that could have been formed on C3 were Elsecaller, Stoneward, and Windrunner. I know of a player who's trying for Stoneward, so it wasn't that. I haven't heard of anyone going after Windrunner, but if we could find anyone who has put Honor towards that, they could hopefully tell us if that Bond is taken or not and when it was(I'm assuming the Bond we don't know of on C6 was a Windrunner or a Skybreaker). Also, if there's any other players who have put Honor towards Elsecaller before the end of C3, we could get confirmation that I'm telling the truth from them as well. So what Ecth is claiming that I did was tell players I'm going for Elsecaller(told Drought on D1, told Randuir C3 or so), tell them that someone else got it at the end of C3, then I get it on C5, tell Arin to tell the thread that a new Edgedancer was created and not an Elsecaller, then hope that no one else was trying to Bond an Elsecaller, because if they did, they'd have received a message on C5 telling them that someone just became an Elsecaller, which would automatically get Arin lynched, as well as get me lynched right after. Oh, and also hope that the player who Bonded the spren on C3 would never claim(and anyone else going after that spren who would have received a message saying that spren was taken), because if they did, I'd get lynched immediately for lying about an Elsecaller being Bonded when it was actually something else. So even without concrete, 100% definite proof, I'd hope that you all don't think I'm that much of an idiot. Now can we all lynch Ecth?

I don't know if anyone else knew, but I know Jondesu knew Ecth was the Truthwatcher. It's possible Ecth told him his scans, but I doubt it, because then Jon could corroborate my story. Anyways, here's how my PM with Ecth went: I PM'd him asking if he was the Truthwatcher, because he was one of the only possibilities. He admitted to being the Truthwatcher, and asked for information on who the Willshaper was. I told him, because I suspect the Willshaper. Ecth then says he suspects either me or the Willshaper of being Unjust, because of how we were "going after each other." I questioned him about that, because the Willshaper actually said they had a village read on me at that point. Then Ecth said he'd confused them with someone else. I asked Ecth who the player was he was talking about, but he never responded. So I sent another PM asking him for his scans. Ecth said he wouldn't just give me his scans, that I had to give him something in return. Then he asked what spren Drought was going after/had. I said I wouldn't tell him, because I don't like to reveal others roles too much. I told him to just ask Drought and he'd probably tell him, which caused him to ask Drought, and then eventually Drought had me tell Ecth instead for PM safety reasons(Drought can confirm all of this part at least). Ecth told me 2 of his scans(Drought and Joe/Quiver), but I knew that he'd had time for at least 1 more, so I asked him again to tell me all of his scans. He said he'd scanned me, Drought, and Joe/Quiver. I thanked him and suggested he scan Randuir or Alvron, unless we lynched Alv, but I said I wasn't sure if I wanted to, because I was getting a village read on him in our PM. He said he was already planning on scanning Alv. He also said that he had a PM with Alv and that he was reading him as village as well(like he said in thread last Cycle I believe). So I guess part of the reason why I was willing to lynch Arin instead of Alv was that I was thinking we'd get some definite proof about which of Alv or rand was the Elsecaller.

A couple reasons why this doesn't make sense. 1. You've been scanning for the Elsecaller for quite some time? Why is that? We didn't see any evidence of them until last Cycle, which brought us to the conclusion that they were Unjust. Which means that you'd start scanning for them then. Not to mention that your scan before this one was supposedly on Joe(but got switched to Quiver), who could not possibly be the Elsecaller due to his Honor counts. 2. Next, you said you already scanned me. Last Cycle, Ecth told me he'd scanned me already. This completely destroys any chance of me being the Elsecaller, because the Elsecaller and the Truthwatcher were Bonded the same Cycle. So any scans Ecth made after he got his spren would be able to prove whether someone is the Elsecaller or not. Doesn't matter when his scan of me happened. Anyways, I have put all of my Honor towards an Inkspren(Elsecaller), but I am not the Elsecaller. Ecthelion.

I'm certain it's one of Alvron, randuir, or Doc. Which is why I'm kicking myself that I didn't lynch Alv. :/ I know who the Truthwatcher is and asked them to scan either Alv or rand. Hopefully we can get that info soon. At this point we can execute Drake, Arinian, or Quiver. Which is it going to be? Even if the Elsecaller hadn't messed with things, we didn't get enough votes to execute Shqueeves.

Woo! Glad I saved my protect. I was the player who was attacked. I'll vote later.

Vote tally: Arinian(4): Lopen, Jondesu, Rand, Drought, Alvron, Lopen Alvron(4): Doc, Lopen, mage, Arin, Rand Ecthelion(0): Arin Execute Drake(3/8): Doc, Ecth, Jondesu Execute Shqueeves(4/8): Lopen, Arin, Rand, Mage Pardon Drake(5/12): Lopen, Jondesu, Arin, Mage, Rand ...that's kind of depressing. @Elbereth, @Assassin in Burgundy, @TheSilverDragon, @Darkness Ascendant, care to add your vote anywhere? We need you all. I'm really conflicted about this, but I'm switching my vote back to Arinian. I've been talking with Alvron in a PM and I just have the feeling he's village. Maybe he's fooling me, that's definitely possible, but that's how I feel. Here you go Jondesu. XD Edit: Forgot to change the numbers

Well it is almost exactly what Mage said the elims could do. XD I'll add my vote to Drought based on gut and he's got votes. Plus if Bart is evil, he might be trying to save Drought with that vote. I think we'll need one more vote to avoid any vote manipulation/hammer by the elims. Two would be nice. Because it's possible they've got a Rioter.

Okay, so, I suspect that Alvron is the Elsecaller. Along with my previous reasons, I think he's my best guess for Unjust right now. I'll vote to execute Shqueeves for now. I said I would switch to Drake later, but I kind of forgot we had a different option. If everyone decides to get Drakes alignment instead though, I'll switch mine over. Arinian, sorry if I was over aggressive with my accusations of you. I'm just trying to point out all of my reasons for suspecting you, but I have been very frustrated with our lack of progress so far, so my tone might have been more negative than usual. And I'll admit that I've been tunneling pretty hard this game. That's another reason I've been annoyed with players calling for inactive lynches. Because as long as we keep killing inactives, my suspicions are kind of frozen in place and I can't move on. I feel like the majority of the Unjust are among the most active players, which is why they haven't been killing players like me, Doc, or Randuir, instead going after moderately active players like Rae and HH. I suspect one of Doc or randuir are Unjust, though at this point I'm not sure which. I've been able to gather a fair amount of information, but I can't seem to figure out who the new Edgedancer is or who Bonded the other spren this Cycle(I know one of them already). If either or both of those players would claim to me, that would be awesome.

Fair enough. Sure, if that's what made you suspicious of me. But you could say the same for every single other player in the game if you think that my reasoning for my votes were weak, because I've explained my votes as much as I can. And you didn't even add any "really weak points" so yes, I was saying you were an elim because I suspected your suspicions of being faked. I didn't just say that I was suspicious of you though. I said I'd lynch either you or Jondesu. I was effectively putting my vote on the both of you, and only added my actual vote to you once I saw that others agreed more about you being suspicious than Jondesu. So it's not the same thing at all, IMO. So you don't think that creating topics of discussion and voicing my opinion about how we should go about things is alignment indicative? What is then? I've voted every Cycle I believe, so it's not my fault if people don't agree with me enough to lynch the players I want to lynch, which could give alignment indicative information. I've stated my opinions and pushed for the deaths of players I suspect of being eliminators. I don't know what you expect of villager me, so I can't really defend myself against that last point. All I know about my playstyle is that I'm generally more active as a villager, and I have been extremely active this game, except for the short time when I was away and I didn't have internet then. I do suspect Doc too. Ecth said he was going to look into things more before he voted. He didn't just state his suspicions and leave it at that. He's committed himself to vote, something that you did not do in your post. You could have said you were deciding between Alv or Ecth. How are those not reasons? You're leaving out the context of why each of those actions are suspicious as well as twisting what I said. Your vote on Alv did and still does seem suspicious to me, you not voting this Cycle makes me think you're content to let others decide what to do so you don't get any of the blame, I didn't say you were suspicious for not suspecting Doc, I was just taking note that you were suspicious of all the most active players except Doc. And I said you were an elim because you had no analysis to back up your suspicion of me. Not just because you suspect me. In AG3, a bunch of people suspected me and voted on me and I wasn't suspicious of all of them. Quiver's lynch cleans you? So maybe the Elsecaller not letting Quiver's alignment get revealed is just to make players think he's an Unjust so you're less suspicious? I didn't push for another lynch on you because you seemed upset and I generally don't vote or try to lynch players when they're actually upset. Plus I was suspicious of Alv and it seemed like I could get others to join me with that lynch so I was content to leave you alone for a bit.

Well since you so neatly organized the topics of discussion, I'll add my thoughts to each subject as well! I'm of the opinion that the amount of support we got to pardon Drake hints that he's Honorable. I think there had to be some elims participating in the pardon, and I don't think they'd risk doing that if he was an elim. Sure, he's the Dustbringer, but he was just lynched and he attacked an Honorable by his own admission, so if I were an elim with him on my team, I don't think I'd have even considered trying to get him pardoned. Plus there's the fact that he attacked the player the Unjust killed, which makes no sense for him to do if he's Unjust. The problem with this is that unless we all assume he's Honorable, we need to execute him. Because if we assume he's Honorable, we can use that as evidence against certain players. But if there's still a lot of people questioning his alignment, that evidence won't hold very much weight. The subject of your suspicions and the inactives is actually very closely related, because of how we're going about the lynches. When we imprisoned Arinian, players said we should wait to lynch Alv until we saw Arin's alignment, and now again with Drake, we're waiting to see his alignment before accusing certain players(Alv again, plus the Willshaper). I don't think we can keep going like this and hope to win. I know usually we use players alignments as the biggest point for suspecting people, and rightly so, since it is the best information we can get, but there are other things to watch for that we can use to lynch players, so I think we need to stop delaying votes until the last half of every Cycle because we're "waiting" for more information. Already, Arinian, Doc, and Ecthelion have expressed opinions on players, but haven't voted. And please, let's not get hung up on the "let's lynch the inactives because they're hurting our pardoning/executing" thought. The logic makes sense on the surface, but if you really think about it, you'd realize that lynching inactives is just going to doom us even further. We'd damage the information flow even more, while giving the Unjust time to investigate/kill contributing players, making our inactive percentage stay relatively the same with the only chance of any benefit to us being an Unjust inactive dying, but I think the chances of that are slim(elims usually aren't totally inactive, and if one is, it wouldn't be too difficult for the elims to maneuver the lynch away from them). So pretty please, unless we get to the point where we absolutely can't execute players, let's not focus on inactives. We could even ask whoever the next Dustbringer is to kill inactives if we really need to get them out of the way. I don't really have an opinion about Joe. I don't think we have enough information to make assumptions about his alignment based on this. Alvron is not the Willshaper. At least, someone has claimed to be the Willshaper, and it wasn't Alv. I didn't quote Arinian because his post is pretty long, but I did want to respond to some of the things he said. For one, your suspects are basically all of the most active players except Doc(no opinion on him?). That's kind of strange. It's kind of like saying "I suspect everyone." Which isn't helpful in the slightest. Next, you say you have a bad gut read on me. That kind of annoys me because I have posted a lot this game and I feel like I've done my best to get the village going in the right direction. If you genuinely suspect me, there should be something in my many posts that made you feel that way about me. So unless you actually give reasons for suspecting me, I'm probably going to assume you're an eliminator that's just trying to spread distrust about me. Lastly, you didn't vote. This is extremely suspicious to me. You've got a bunch of players to choose from, but you just end your post. It's as if you're hesitant to actually make a choice, like you'd rather wait and see what others opinions are before you're ready to push for a lynch. You don't even argue your opinion about lynching inactives or actives. You ask. For me, when I'm a villager, my opinion is the most trustworthy, because I know what my goals are. So for you to just leave it up to the rest of us for what we do, it's like you don't actually care, you just want to stay unnoticed by not saying anything controversial. I am of the opinion that the Elsecaller is Unjust. I have a guess for who it is, but I don't think I want to reveal that quite yet. I'm still trying to figure some things out and decide what is the best thing to do at this point. For now, I'll vote on Arinian for the reasons I listed above. I'd actually like to try and pardon Drake. If we don't get close to enough votes by tomorrow afternoon(so, like 14 hours before the Cycle ends), I'll switch to an execution vote.

I think this is how the votes add up: Pardon Drake(11/14): Doc, HH, Jon, Alv, Rand, Ari, Mage, Shqu, Joe, Lopen, Drought Execute Quiver(8/9): Ari, Alv, Shqu, Joe, Mage, HH, Lopen, Drought @Doc12, @Jondesu, @randuir, mind adding the final vote to execute Quiver? Doesn't look like we're gonna be able to pardon Drake sadly. Even though we got an extra 24 hours. :/

@A Joe in the Bush, Con's item(s) aren't in the write-up. Is that intentional? If you're village, yeah. No idea how we're supposed to find who's got it though. Or why you mentioned me... And hey, if you're actually village and you think Stick might be an elim, you could make a tie. Then you'd both die. But if you're both village that might give us less time.

Here's what Rae got from her spying. It's not much, but I figured I should put it here anyways. First she spied on me and Jondesu. We only sent like 2 messages back and forth that cycle, and there isn't anything worth mentioning. Next she spied on Doc and Arinian's PM when Arin was jailed. Arin tells Doc he can't PM players and that his PM with Doc is his only one. Doc says something about thinking Quiver is Unjust and he didn't want to lynch Arin, although he was conflicted about Arin's certainty that there's 4 Unjust. Doc offers to pass on a message to the thread for him. There was some off-topic stuff about LG28, MR17, and QF19. Oh, and Doc said he thought Arin might have killed Sheep because he was in prison(which I think we can confirm that he didn't kill Sheep, because he had to send in an Action to spend Honor to get his cultivationspren), but that he didn't think it was that likely. That's about it. So, nothing terribly interesting.

Drake, Quiver. Doc, I voted on Shqueeves because I legitimately suspect he could be an eliminator. I'm not going to remove my vote simply because he posted again. Unless he does something that changes my mind, my vote is staying on him. Or if a better target appears, but that seems unlikely, since the Cycle is almost over.

So, if anyone has a Glowing Sphere, I can trade you an item for it. I killed Con and got a hat in return, and it actually is of some use. I imagine the Glowing Sphere isn't doing anything for whoever has it, since my role is almost definitely unique(Joe trolled me with it before ). I'd appreciate it. Oh, and if you're curious what my powers are, I have one use of multiple types. Kill, vote manip, protect, redirect, extra life and roleblock. I won't say which ones I've used, though obviously I used my kill on Con just now. Well, I can admit to having moved Alv's on C1, but I would have cancelled that had I seen how the votes were at the end. And my alignment is village. I'm not a neutral or anything. From: Your friendly neighborhood Elantrian. Edit: I guess I should reveal that the hat is called "Lucky Hat" and protects Inquisitors from Seekers because it covers their Spikes. So yeah, it's basically only good for the Spiked, but hey, it's got a use! I think this could also mean that Con was an Inquisitor.

Yeah, I'm kinda confused by all of this, so I'm gonna keep my execution vote on Drake because I'd like some solid information for once. When weird stuff is going on, I tend to choose the safe route. Sorry Drake, especially if you're an Honorable. Of course, if everyone decides to pardon him and my vote is needed, I'd probably switch it over to a pardon, but I think I'd prefer an execution. And I'll hop on the Shqueeves lynch. It's late enough now, and he's been inactive/lurking enough where I won't feel guilty for killing a newbie. >.> I'm hoping to get back to doing RP tomorrow. I know I've fallen behind.

I think I'll officially put my votes on Scar, Wyrm, and Sart. I really enjoyed their usage of the CR's. Congrats to the Spiked! I was really hoping to help the village break the curse this time, but I do think it's hilarious that the village just can't seem to get it done, year after year, with a bunch of different people and role distributions. XD Thanks to Meta for running the game! I imagine this one took even more time and energy than usual, given the player numbers and how long the game went. So thank you very much. I had a blast.

Bugsy, sorry I didn't get around to responding to you last Cycle. I do think you made a fair point, but I still don't really see those actions as something definitely suspicious. Should you have prodded them and gotten more information? Yes, definitely, but I don't think they were worthy of a vote or a lynch. For one, people are gonna notice if there's a failed attack, so claiming to have been attacked to garner sympathy isn't a good idea. The thing about Seonid, well, usually with stuff like that, I wouldn't vote on someone until I had the whole story, but that's probably more just an opinion based thing, so whatever. On to other matters, this past lynch was fairly interesting, IMO. Elenion is shown to be village, and I'm taking a guess that Straw was the one killed by the Spiked(it appears Con was killed by a hidden role, an Elantrian by the looks of it), so he's village as well. Plus there appears to have been a Rioting on Elenion, and he didn't soothe anyone I guess. Anyways, we saw evidence of another Rioting back on D1, when someone Rioted someone which looked like they were trying to either tie the lynch or get Bugsy lynched over Jondesu. I'm wondering if it was a Spiked Rioter trying to get 2 people lynched(though I'm not discounting the possibility of Bugsy still being evil even if this is true) and if they just now saved Seonid. If they thought Len was gonna Soothe a vote, they probably would have just tied the votes to get Len killed as well as Seonid. I think the Spiked killed Straw because he was gonna be soft-cleared from his vote on Seonid. So I'm thinking Seonid is Spiked based on this.

I'm voting Bugsy. He voted on Seonid for not remembering he had a PM(how was that suspicious in the slightest? Even when we didn't know why he said he didn't have a PM, there's not really a point in lying about something like that.), and then he voted on DA for being "inconsistent" with his wording about the Survivors Spear, which again, doesn't seem like something inherently evil. Feels to me like he's just looking for mistakes by villagers rather than thinking through their motives. Silverblade made a PM with me on C1 and said that he was a little suspicious of Bugsy too(he asked me what I thought about Jondesu vs. Bugsy and I said I was leaning towards Bugsy being an elim if one of them was and he said he agreed). Edit: Oh, and I had an item called "Silverward" that heals someone if they're possessed by a Shade or something. I used it on a player, so they should have it now(someone used it on me C1 or C2, I can't remember).