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Could the Reshi Isles have been those sailors? Whatever the Reshi are doing will lead to Puuli's thing?

And Navani left copious notes, so someone should be able to recreate it without her.

Are we sure Towerlight is as plentiful as before? The Tower is on, but can people get the light out easily still? I could see a situation where The Tower is running on low power mode either because the barrier is taking up a lot of energy or because the changes to the world have weakened The Sibling. If not, he may be able to use the Lifelight that Lift can produce. We know that there is a way to move it out of Lift and into gemstones.

I wish we knew if Cultivation took The Nightwatcher with her or if Cultivation left The Nightwatcher on Roshar. I LOVE the idea of The Nightwatcher being abandoned and then seekinging out Sja Anat for Enlightenment. That would be such a cool way to explore this Bondsmith spren in a new an exciting way. Or even finding out that The Nightwatcher was pulled into The Tower and now people have to deal with her. Maybe she will make use of that little room The Sibling made for her.

I think Brandon can basically arbitrarily play with how much light Uritheru can utilize depending on what he wants for the story 1. Lift can continue to produce Lifelight because of her boon from Cultivation. However, it is also possibly that Lift lost her ability to do it to some extent when Cultivation fled the system. Maybe Lift can do it, but she is much less efficient now. I think it is likely that Lift can still do it, but maybe not or maybe not as well. 2. Towerlight may or may not be be siphonable from the Tower and used to power external devices. Brandon could play around with things such if The Tower can still hear the tone of Cultivation and/or Honour, or can play around with what Navani as an active bond smith can provide in terms of connection to light. It is possible that the barrier shield is taking up most of the Towerlight, and that there is not enough left over to be used for other non essential tasks. As well, maybe being in a coma changes the amount of light available. 3. The Everstorm/NewStorm may possibly be a source of light that can be siphoned away. I am not sure how, but possibly there is a way to draw it in and either utilize it as is or use the converter method to switch it to a new tone (if that even still works). 4. New Bondsmiths may be possible. Perhaps someone bonds Sja Anat or Ba-Ado-Mishram and then begins providing void or new-light. We don't know if the Tower is protecting Unmade, and we dont know what an Unmade Bondsmith would be like. Other options could be Sja Anat enlightening The Nightwatcher (should she still be around), or something else wacky like that. I do LOVE the idea that Cultivation didn't bring the Nightwatcher, and so the Nightwatcher asks to be enlightened. 5. Ba Ado Mishram may be able to provide voidlight or new-light somehow. I am not sure if The Tower or the Oathpact is protecting Ba Ado Mishram or not. Perhaps it is not right now, but Mishram could eventually be called to it somehow. Or Perhaps Mishram makes a play for the Well of Control again which changed the rules a bit.

It would be interesting if El held the blade before this desolation. Not sure how that would work, but would mesh with his odd status. Maybe he is the one who bonded the Night or something and betrayed the Spren. We still don’t know how that betrayal went down.

Turned out it is “piper” as in pay the piper. My guess is she will get to consume a region at some point. Odd though that Taravangian couldn’t just re-unmake them first though.

Which is stupid and makes little sense in my opinion.

But why then? Maybe she hadn’t been allowed to for some reason like that quote from WoT might imply.

Vo was one of the foreign invaders that explored the valley for the first time (for his people I mean). Coppermind: Vo shouldn't have known anything about awakening until the return - and even if he did know, he would forget about it as he returned with a mind-wipe. This means Endowment or another entity would have had to share the information with Vo after dying and then let Vo return to spread the information on how to utilize breaths in the first place. So Vo could be both the first returned and the way Endowment got people to start playing around with breath.

Possible for sure. But the fact people discovered how to actively manipulate breaths around the time Vo became the first returned is suspicious timing.

As far as we have heard from Vasher, the active use of the magic system is less than 1000 years old on Nalthis. Breath manipulation is a really new turn of events, people only recently started returning 300 years before Vasher returned, the flowers were only recently found, and collecting large amounts breaths seems to be a very new as well. Nalthian magic is very localized and only seems to have been actively manipulates for less than 1000 years. Maybe people each had a breath for a long time, but things like returning seem new. The indigenous population doesn't seem to have claimed that they used to manipulate breaths, return, or use the flowers for any particularly dramatic magical use. Cosmere readers have wondered why there seems to be a dramatic change in what Endowment lets people access on Nalthis. Some people even thought maybe she only recently showed up on the planet or only recently created the planet. We also have that strange Cognitive Anomaly which has never been explained. Coppermind: ----- Wind and Truth Letter Between Hoid and Endowment: Originally I read the quote below as meaning Endowment was denied the ability to grant her Endowment powers to her followers until recently. Maybe there is another meaning? Edgli is not a dragon as far as I know, so i don't think anyone was denying her dragon powers. Maybe Edgli was denied god powers before she ascended? Or maybe my reading was right and for some reason she was denied the ability to grant returns etc until recently. I had discounted Edgli as a dragon because Brandon said only 1 vessel was a gragon. However, now that Valor is also a dragon, perhaps Edgli is one as well. One theory I had was that she had promised Honour not to grant "surges" as it were, but once he died she started doing it.

Herald bodies seem to have some speed upgrade powers, but it doesn't look like Ash or Taln used any external boom-boom magic when fighting in Azir

As far as I know, Navani's Sailormoon-esq crystal barrier thing combined with the New oathpact will prevent new Unmade from being formed. Likely. For the most part. Not sure what will happen with Sja Anat and Ba Ado Mishram, and if they are covered by the Oathpact tennents. Is it all spren? Or just Honour and Cultivation spren?

I hope Moash does something eventually. Each book he is just such a waste of page space. We know he will kill a Bridge 4 person and then disappear unremarkably every book ... He is just soooo boring.

We know of another Cognitive anomaly on Nalthis. I wonder if it is a related phenomenon at all. Although maybe Endowment was trapped somehow. It seems like she only recently was allowed to give people breath for some reason.

The Wind seems to think they will be hidden completely. Not sure exactly how that works, but I assume there will be ways to get in and out if people poke around enough. I am not even sure if Taravangian knows where the minds of the Heralds went, or if that is completely shrouded knowledge.

We know from Sunlit Man that Sig eventually goes to Ashyn. I wonder if Sig goes to Ashyn now as he walks past it, or if he teleports there later on using his dawnshard powers. If he goes now, I am not sure how one would pass into the physical realm to Ashyn, but I bet SIg would be extremely curious to learn that the world is still inhabited. Maybe Cusicesh would help him out, or maybe there is another way somehow. I would love a short story of Sig realizing there were people there still and managing to go explore the world. Or a story of Sig trying to help Ashyn.

Yeah, I don't disagree. If there was a hint he had done something in the original scene then maybe this would have echod better at the end.

I am still surprised that Battar returned to support the Oathpact. I was sure she would not return based on what we saw and in light of all Taravangian could promise her. What more could someone offer Battar than Taravangian? In the glimpse of her during the reforming of the Oathpact, she seemed very curious and confused, but i didn't get the impression that she was crying with joy at the chance to be at peace, protect the spren, or defy Odium. So which do we think it is? Battar Honestly and Earnestly Rejoined the Oathpact Battar values being at peace the most of all. Healing Ishar made her a bit less greedy perhaps. She will eventually heal and be less easy to bribe Friendship is magic Battar is Willing to Betray the Oathpact Battar was curious about the Oathpact and decided to join but doesn't care as much as others She is still very or at least a little willing to work with Taravangian She may eventually try to alert Taravangian to what is going on She may be willing to break or plans on breaking eventually Possibly Battar feared being irrelevant or consumed by Odium/Retribution, but will be willing to deal again Since she was last to join, possibly she quickly spoke to Taravangian and made a plan. Mix: Battar is Honestly Joining, but is Bound by an Oath to Odium Not sure if she made a formal Oath with Odium Not sure if her deal with Odium means she has conflicted oaths Not sure exactly what she promised Not sure if a merging of shards changes the legality of her oath.

We have some ways: 1. When Shallan was peaking at Mraize, she thought maybe she actually could jump into the Cognitive realm despite regular Lightweavers not being able to do a full transistion. This is either because she has two bonds or because she has a bizarre spiritual web on account of being the child of a herald (somewhat like Vivenna). She may eventually learn to use her Soulcasting or Herald-Baby powers to change realms. 2. If she finds out about the Odium pool, then she can jump through to Listener controlled territory. Not sure why no one has done it before or how it was hidden on the Cognative realm, but it should be possible. I know the Odium pool might change or move with the merge, but the whole Listener plotline was that Odium WANTED the place where that pool was. There may be a reason the pool is there that prevents it from moving or the Odium Pool may now be the property of Listeners and is not allowed to move because of the 1000 year treaty, or perhaps the Honour Pool cannot merge with the Odium pool for some reason. If Odium's pool hasn't moved, then Honour's pool may also still work. 3. Nightblood might be able to connect to the Willshaper powers and go back and forth, though Szeth isn't good at that one. 4. Lift or Tower Light may be able to power a Willshaper fabrial. 5. Shallan did save an Enlightened Willshaper spren. That one may be willing to help her or Sja Anat may send aid.

I actually liked this in the end. It reminded me of Jasnah's debate and the difference between what you say you would do to save the world and what you actually would do. Even the most cut-throat people likely have something they value more than rational decision making. Cultivation made her gambit, and in the end she sort of succeeded. Now Taravangian has a weakness hidden in the Spiritual Realm. The more he obsesses over his Spiritual Realm Tamagotchis, the more destroying them will be a fear of his. He is stuck loving them forever instead of letting that one human connection fade over the eons as time changes Karbrandth. If anyone ever finds out, or if the people there ever find out, this could cause a conflict both internally and externally for Retribution. A plotline I see happening is Shallan accidentally teleporting to Tamogatchi Kharbranth, and crem gets stirred up.

I think the pocket universe does change things. In the real world, over 1000s of years Taravangian’s connections to his friends and family would weaken as people passed away and the world revolutionized. He’d likely care less with his friends and his family long dead and gone. His humanity would fade. Cultivation’s gambit did end up working, but just delayed the effect. Now, he is stuck connected to the same people forever. People that he loves and that he would protect. I think this leaves an opening. Im open to the idea that Cultivation didn’t see it coming or had it as a plan B, but it really does seem like this gives her everything she wanted.

Hoid says that no one predicted this outcome as it was the tiniest of chances. But is he dead wrong? The Wind seems to have foreseen this in her own way and set up the entire Shinovar plot. Renarin was able to see this in his stained-glass window pictures pretty much exactly. The Nightforms predicted the Night of Sorrows and the Final Desolation thousands of years ago. Cultivation may have had this in mind as well seeing as she didnt like the oaths, didn't care about Rayse, and didn't want to be on Roshar in the first place Potentially the Iriali protector was able to sense the cataclysm coming (sensing more than just the 1000 year truce) Unclear if the "owners" returning was enough to cause it. However, Iri had an oathgate, so does that make sense? Sure, Hoid didn't see this and neither did Honour or Odium, but it certainly seems like at least 2 or 3 other people were working on this as a stark possibility. Possibly, only powers connected to the Old Gods predicted this though. Maybe the Wind and The Night were able to sense this future is some way, and perhaps Renarin and the Night Forms get their visions from the Old Magic somehow. But still, Roshar did see this coming for a long time. --- I know the point about Cultivation having planned this will be debated, but to me I think after she broke up with her boyfriend for betraying Ba-Ado-Mishram, the plan was to pack her bags and move out of Roshar once the other shards could start picking up the slack. She managed to get out looking defeated so others wont rely on her, slow the planet down to buy time, save honour humans for 1000 years, protect the spren with the old oathpact, redeem the heralds, weaken Taravangian by forcing him to create the Spirit Realm family, redeem her ex boyfriend, and go find a new home.

The Horneaters say the Gods of the Water helped them build thier home in the mountains, so maybe that is a clue that water is still around but hiding. Maybe the 4th moon had a lot of water and it crashing down brought is with it.