The One Who Connects

I don't know. Brandon has said you can't awaken it because it "wouldn't hold a charge," but if we move to things that don't necessarily impart a charge onto their target, you can't push/pull on it at all. I'm really not sure, but I'm leaning towards no. I also don't have an answer to the Shard thing. Only brought it up because I thought I had misinterpreted you.

We know you can store Investiture in an Aluminum Metalmind, and Marsh has a Hemalurgic Spike made of Aluminum, but beyond that we have no examples. Can't Soulcast it into something else, can't Awaken it, can't Forge it, etc... Oh wait, are you asking if a Shard could invest some of their power into Aluminum, similar to how they invest themselves into a planet?

I'm not familiar enough with WoB's and didn't see any in my quick search but I don't know if there is anything that says that pushes and pulls absolutely have to be directed specifically. Recall TLR vs Vin. Rashek casually raises his hand in her direction and pushes quite a few things: the metal in Vin's stomach and body, the steel doorframe, and scattered fragments of the stained glass window Vin broke in through. I am not of the opinion that TLR consciously chose to push on the trace metals present in the coloring that was used to stain the stained glass window, and I'm fairly confident that both of you agree with me. I'm not even sure TLR really chose to push on Vin either, for that matter. It feels like his intent was to push in a direction, and everything in that direction that could be pushed on was pushed: the solid metals in Vin's stomach, the trace metals in her body, the steel doorframe, the trace metal in the coloring of the stained glass, etc... he even rips her earring straight out of her ear during one of his pushes, and I doubt he meant to do that. He doesn't even appear to notice that he's done that. That sounds in line with Galileo's experiment with the lead balls. But.... while following Marsh towards the Conventical of Seran, Sazed stores most of his weight before jumping off the cliff, and I remember him practically floating downwards. I agree that iron feruchemy might be related a bit to the same base magic as gravitational surges and probably some others but it's not quite the same. How knowledgeable are either of you on the Higgs field?

Actually, I believe Brandon changed what was what in our minds. (Well, Peter did, back before we knew all the orders) The ones who thought that Tension was shared with Kalak's Order was actually us, all those years ago. As far as we're aware, Brandon has given Tension to Ishar's Order since 2013. (Though, there was that one mistake/typo in Oathbringer...)

Yep. Brandon has been rather up-front with that too.

They are from Dragonsteel, whenever Brandon fits that one into the Cosmere Writing Schedule. They are the 3rd race on Yolen, with Humans and Dragons. Uli Da(Vessel for Ambition) was a Sho Del. Without going into things that may no longer be canon(once Dragonsteel and/or Liar of Partinel get reworked), that's all we know about them.

Rashek built Luthadel where he did because of the sheer amounts of metal deposits in the surrounding ground. Fuel for Allomancers galore, Vision Impairment for Ruin, and a good source of "community service projects." I wouldn't be surprised to find out there was a lot of metal mixed with the minerals that bled into the water supply over the centuries. She burns pewter instinctively after Sazed rescues her from the nighttime Inquisitor fight. I don't think Steel gets burned by instinct, and I think that has a little to do with the power itself. Pewter gives the body strength, and that's something Vin would definitely want after getting beaten by Camon or his cohorts. That's Intent, which is important to all magics. Before learning that it could be done, I don't think she'd had a point where she wanted to telekinesis something, intentionally or jokingly, so it didn't happen. Additionally, given the apparent commonness of pewterware, maybe steel/iron silverware wasn't as widespread. The nobles would probably use proper silver or something because they're pretentious, and the common people would use something cheap. (I could be talking nonsense, if steel/iron was easier to make than pewter, since I'm no expert.) If pewter wasn't the cheaper option, then perhaps Iron/Steel Allomancers were more common or Tin/Pewter mines were more common, so silverware adjusted according. Remember Kelsier's line about shopkeeps not wanting to be the one dealing with a slighted Mistborn with a headache? Given the large influence the existence of Allomancers had on the Scadrian Market over the past millennium, that stigma probably carried over to some of the other shops, even if it was for mundane things like cups and spoons. That extra metal from the spoon could save my life or get me killed, and I know which of those two outcomes I would want. I'd rather have everybody get it right (even if it gives my enemy the same advantage), than to risk a bad alloy in a crisis.

Make of this as you wish:

On the subject of Ashyn and Surgebinding: Regarding the point that you were trying to prove, this passage from the Eila Stele means nothing. All it says is that they were binding Surges, and that the Singers knew that Spren could grant those powers. It doesn't imply anything about how the humans were accessing the powers, only that the powers they had looked similar. In that same vein, the Singers knew about the Nahel Bond, and the powers it granted. In the face of that, the first assumption when seeing people using those powers would be to assume that they had a Nahel Bond. The Parshendi do just this in WoK Kaladin does the "draw arrows to shield" moment, but had that been Szeth instead of Kaladin, they would've made the same assumption, and been wrong. See "Surges" below. The "Surges" as we currently know them are simply a way to tap into the fundamental forces: gravity, the electromagnetic spectrum, the weak/strong force, etc... and they are far from the only way to do that. The Oathgates probably operate on the Surge of Transportation, and teleport people to elsewhere. Aon Tia does exactly the same thing, and teleports people elsewhere. The Elantrians even had metal plates to take you to predetermined locations, like an Oathgate. There's a Yolish Lightweaving as well as the Rosharan version using the Surge of Illumination. Renarin heals almost instantly from being crushed with the Surge of Progression, while Miles heals his legs as they break with Feruchemical Gold. We have an Aon whose definition includes the word "illumination," another with "cohesion," and yet a third with "transportation." Would it be too far to assume that these could probably do similar things to the Surges they share names with? To an outsider, these would probably look like the same powers(Elantrians even glow, like Surgebinders ). And they probably are manipulating the same underlying fundamental force, but with entirely different magic systems.

Don't think I've read your thoughts on that(at least, not recently). Elaborate, if you don't mind. Or point me in the direction of another post if you've explained it before

I realized that, and edited my post, but I guess you got here before that updated. Aluminum itself is in Book 1. It's the metal that the Inquisitors give to Vin in the prison. And Brandon had to fix the Silver/Tin thing before releasing Book 1, so both of them technically happened "before" the book, in a way. As for if it was just "remove reserves" or the rest of the weirdness back then, the majority of WoBs we have with the Aluminum tag are from after WoR came out, so I can't prove anything.

Aluminum, due to the Tin Error. (Aluminum is in MB Book 1, so it kinda has to come first, but they kinda happened together)

I knew who it was. I just didn't think they had said anything, and Brandon's "no idea how you figured it out" gave me no cause to doubt what I thought. After rereading that scene, I agree with Brandon. The only thing that I could see as potential foreshadowing is 1) not suspicious, and 2) not dialogue.

I agree with StanLemon. Given adequate time to prepare, nothing beats an Elantrian. AonDor is literally programming reality. Short of killing a Shard(or TLR), there is almost nothing that it can't do. In terms of sudden and direct combat though, I'd give the edge to a Mistborn or Feruchemist. They have the largest spread of powers available to them, and that gives them the most versatility. All other things being equal, having more options usually wins out, because you have a better chance of having something able to counter the enemy. That said, the most powerful magical item in the Cosmere (Nightblood) is a product of Awakening.

Guess it depends on how you look at it. Personally, I see memories as connections to past people/places and past events/other. Or at least, memory is how those spiritual connections manifest in the PR.

I was always under the impression that she didn't have any lines. (None that I could ever remember happening, anyway) Guess I need to reread.

Well, Percy was the book character, so I wouldn't say he did the same thing. But it's an interesting coincidence all the same.

I think most things are composed of Investiture, rather than matter while in the CR. (Upon further searching, Brandon has been more direct) Let's garner more discussion(among those who know more than I do). From the Events and Signings post for the event that garnered that WoB, here's Pattern: I'm still planning to figure out what is happening thermodynamically. I don't have a solid answer, but I do have hwiles' explanation from a year ago:

I do enjoy finding some of these obscure ones. Guessing what else you said in the post b/c search function doesn't read quoteboxes... good times

I'd hazard a guess and say it's the color representing calm(unless she's having a bad dream, which could be an.. interesting sight) I don't believe we know if it's all at once or not. Either way, I'd imagine that it's a pretty fast transformation.

Nope. Big A is responsible for that one.

I agree. The only other variant of this that we have is from the Roshar vs Scadrial thread, courtesy of Erunion, but that one is slightly tinged by focusing on the combat aspect. (Not to mention being a little outdated post Oathbringer) 1. Crem is the soil-replacement/analogue. Stormlight helps plants grow. 2. Minor mentions of Tools/Intensity(from their respective wiki articles) 3. Talk of Food and Population(spoiler tag b/c good lord this text wall). To quote Erunion: 1. I'd imagine that they wouldn't teach something that doesn't work, but that's only an opinion. 2. Ambient Stormlight improves the overall healthiness of Roshar, to the point that a minor outbreak of the sniffles got called a plague. I've got a couple ideas about that. Gunpowder doesn't get discovered because water, water everywhere. As for other things, the spoiler tag WoB contained this: "Soulcasting anything other than the basic Essence requires some intimate knowledge and practice. And likely a Radiant, the soulcaster fabrials are far more rigid in what they can create." It doesn't explain why nobody seems to have discovered any of these compounds, but it could explain why they haven't caught on. Inability to mass-produce is gonna turn sponsors away from the tech, especially in the age of Soulcasters. (Stuff like this could also be in the realm of things the Heralds know, which got lost between Desolations) Per Taln, Kalak would teach them Bronze because "their stone tools" would be insufficient, and they would teach them Steel "if they had enough time." I agree that Steel is probably harder to make, but it's been 4,500 years since the last Desolation, so I'd think they've had enough time to figure it out on their own.

Theory. MB Spoilers, obviously.

You could edit in an [OB] into the title to be safe, but I think you'll be alright. Off the top of my head... all I can think of is the theory regarding the Worldbringers and Worldsingers. The Worldsingers were "storytellers and knowledge-givers on Roshar during the Era of Solitude." Hoid is a Master Worldsinger. The Worldbringers were "Feruchemists who created Copperminds to become philosophers and scholars of religion." Bringers explicitly mention religion, while Singers were supposedly "charged by the Heralds to spread knowledge," so they might have had religious significance. Bringers got wiped out by TLR, so that'd be disaster. Not sure what happened with the Singers.