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There are two WoB where people ask Brandon about Jasnah's resonance. One of them mentions her "geolocating" ability. Brandon did not confirm or deny. I thought it had been confirmed since then, but looks like the jury is still out for now lol. Lol makes me want to know what they are even more. There are seriously like 4 things I can't wait to see but unfortunately will have to wait a long time for 1. Jasnah's backstory (Jasnah's book) 2. Renarin's backstory (Renarin's book) 3. Fully oathed radiants, what they can do, and their resonances (no idea when) 4. what the heralds could do prior to Honor's death (Taln's or Shallash's book)

I could see that happening. Though at this point I have no idea what kind of resonances could be produced from that. I believe it was confirmed that Shallan's Mnemonic ability is the lightweaver resonance, and Jasnah's sense of direction if the Elsecaller resonance (please correct me if I am wrong. I know there was a bunch of backing and forthing over that, so I could be recalling incorrectly). Also apparently Mistborn Spoilers So assuming I recalled everything correctly, then I have no clue how to reason what resonance would pop up for what combination of powers lol

So I think for those three different cases, could result in three different things. I pulled up a bunch of WoB regarding Leechers. A leecher has to have enough metal to leech the amount of investiture. So its not like a tiny bit gets rid of everything automatically no matter the amount. A little does do a lot, but for larger quantities, you will need to hold on, and have more chromium. So for the Lord Ruler, the leecher would need a lot of chromium and keep a sustained grip which would probably result in the leecher's death. Regarding Vin fueling her powers with the mists, I do not think there is enough chromium on Scadrial to destroy the Shard of Preservation lol. WoB below. Kaymyth I asked the question about chromium vs a Compounder with both Invested and un-Invested metals in both their stomach and piercings. Brandon Sanderson What it boils down to is this: 1) Yes, the piercings will get burned off. 2) The non-Invested metals go before the Invested ones. He said that because Invested metals are harder to affect, it takes a little extra time and effort to get them to burn off. So a Leecher trying to clean out a Compounder would have to get a good grip and hang on for a few seconds. 3) Chromium burns about as quickly as duralumin, so if you're trying to burn off a lot of metals, it is possible to run out of chromium before your target is clean. This would probably only be an issue when dealing with larger pieces (like jewelry) rather than your standard metal-flakes-in-the-stomach deal. ConQuest 46 (May 22, 2015) Questioner (paraphrased) If a Leecher was holding a Shardbearer and burning [chromium], would the Shardbearer be able to summon their Blade? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No. Warsaw signing (March 18, 2017) Questioner Aluminum, when you burn aluminum, does it actually destroy the metals or just take away their power? Brandon Sanderson It destroys the metals. Questioner Same with chromium? Brandon Sanderson Yeah. Questioner So it actually gets rid of the metals? Brandon Sanderson It actually trans-- It does a-- matter, energy, investiture are the same things in the cosmere. You have some sort of transfer happening relating to those things. Questioner The question sort of relates to metal poisoning-- Brandon Sanderson Yeah, you would not get metal poisoning after that. Calamity Seattle signing (Feb. 17, 2016) Regarding Larkins, I think that depends on two things. First, since Larkins are living things, I believe they can become full, so I would imagine there is a limit on how much investiture they could eat. After eating the voidbringer's investiture, Rysn's Larkin seemed contently full. Now there was confirmation that a Larkin grows up into the great shell laceryn. So whether or not the laceryn keeps the investiture eating properties of a larkin when it grows up, and if that increases how much it could eat, I do not know. Nightblood is something else entirely. When he has eaten a lot of investiture and then sheathed, he does seem sluggish and full, but I do not know if there is a limit to his investiture consumption. When asked would nightblood devour a Shard, Brandon tends to dodge the question, stating things like the mists would avoid nightblood, or Shards are afraid of nightblood. There is a WoB regarding Nightblood being plunged into the Elantris form of Aon Rao could result in the destruction of the city, so take that as you will.

I think this was actually confirmed via WoB though i need to check to be sure. edit: certainly an odd way of answering, but this does confirm the person Lift was talking about was Hoid Questioner <Did the man Lift met is Hoid>? Brandon Sanderson It is Hoid. In book three, right? In book three. Oh *inaudible* Lift? *inaudible* No, that's not Hoid. So she references having talked to him but it's not someone she meets in this. In the beginning, she mentions him but he's not specifically in this. Right? Sorry, I thought you meant *inaudible*. Questioner *Inaudible*. Brandon Sanderson Yeah, of course, that makes sense. But yes, so, she met him - but she talks about him, she didn't - it's not him on the street. (From my notes: In Edgedancer, Lift references talking to Hoid but he doesn’t show up himself there. She met him, she talks about him but he doesn't appear in Edgedancer.) Warsaw signing (March 18, 2017)

Just a point of clarity. The fused do not have unlimited voidlight. It is that they hold it perfectly, so it lasts a very long time, but they still do run out and need to get more. WoB below: Questioner Is the reason that the Fused have access to unlimited voidlight is because Odium's alive, and the Radiants have that access that limited access to Stormlight because Honor is dead? Brandon Sanderson Not exactly... They do not have access to unlimited voidlight, how about that. Skyward San Diego signing (Nov. 7, 2018) Questioner The Fused that wield, like--their Lashings can be a lot faster than Kaladin's are. Is it because it's based on a different planet than the Radiants? Brandon Sanderson Kaladin can go faster, but they are more-- they are faster over a large span. What's going on with the Fused is they have-- The way their Investiture works, it doesn't leak and they are able to use it for much longer periods of time. But they don't have access to the number of times that Kaladin can Lash himself directions and things like this, and the speed with which he can pick up speed. So in the short Kaladin is favored, in the long they're favored. Orem signing (March 10, 2018)

Regarding resonances I do not think there will be new ones, and they may lose the old ones as per Brandon the more powers you have, the less likely you have a resonance. It seems two powers are the base line. Maybe three (though I do not think so)? Four might be pushing it. I think we need to understand Bondsmith's boosting abilities more before we can say. Apparently it manifests differently for each order. I think there would be the same issue as two spren from any other. They may not want to share, as well as the difficulty in maintaining oaths. As to the plate, I think that will largely depend on what plate is actually made of. Some theories I think would say nothing would change (condensed stormlight theory), others might say have to choose one or the other or potentially have problems, or as you say merge the two (lesser spren theory)

That's the real question isn't it? What is the extent of Shallan's abilities if she was a fully realized fourth oath lightweaving knight radiant? At this moment we do not know, so I agree the deck is stacked a bit against her. There are implications of a lot of things (shardplate, lasers, sonic manipulation, tangible illusions) but nothing concrete yet. Well we have seen Shallan make illusions of objects such as a wall, or boulder, as well as do layered illusions on people, but I agree we have not seen it anywhere near the scale of Mysterio. I will say this though. All of this makes me want to see a fully oathed lightweaver all the more!

Hmmm, a fight between Shallan and Cinematic Mysterio. I think Shallan's persona issues would make the battle rather difficult for her assuming of course Mysterio knew any of it. Mysterio isn't psychic. He just preyed on the information he gathered about Peter. So I do not think Mysterio would have access to the information on Shallan to play off her problems, but if he did that would put things in his favor in my opinion. Now taking out individual personalities and looking purely at their "abilities" I think they each have their pros and cons Shallan: Pros (Potentially) Shardplate and Blade (Potentially) Solid illusions Healing Pattern (potentially) judging illusion from reality Theoretical additional applications of lightweaving, i.e. lasers, sonic, etc. Cons Depreciating Resource (stormlight) Required focus as in Shallan had to have complete focus on her illusions to create the army that she did (at least from what we have seen, don't know if that could change with advancement in oaths) Damaging illusions. We don't know whether or not regardless how solid her illusions could be come, how much damage they could potentially do. Could an illusion of a sword really cut for instance? Mysterio Pros "unlimited resource" in that the drones do not require a visibly depreciating fuel that would result in a time limit on their use. AI to maintain and operate drones independent of Mysterio's focus. Potentially better at multi-tasking Ability to (potentially) create and maintain far larger illusions for far longer periods of time Illusions (drones) have greater confirmed active damaging capabilities, i.e. bullets, lasers, flame throwers, and concussive forces. Cons Human. any normal hit will kill him. Drones can be destroyed and not rebuilt in time. Destroy enough drones, reduce combat efficacy. No alternative means of determining illusion from reality (this is of course assuming Shallan's illusions would be tangible enough to fool sensors) Anything I am forgetting? Assuming their personal issues are not on the table for the fight (as how could they know each other's pasts?), then I could see their respective illusions duking it out while Shallan locates Mysterio. If she is successful in finding him, I think she could take the drones easily with shardplate and blade (though the bullets might reduce her plate rather quickly. This is conjecture as we only know how bullets act on dead plate, not radiant plate), get in close, and kill him either with a punch of a shardplate enhanced fist, or thrust of a shardblade.

Yep yep. Vin is drawing on the mists, like she did back when she defeated the Lord Ruler. Brandon himself says it is the same exact thing. Hero of Ages Annotations corroborates this: Brandon Sanderson Vin Draws In All the Mist Here we finally have Vin suck in the mists and use them to fuel her Allomancy completely. I began building this plot arc way back in book one, which ends with Vin drawing upon the mists to fight the Lord Ruler. It took me all the way until here to make good on that, though I still don't even explain how or why she was able to do it. Eventually I'd like to be able to do that, but we'll see. It's bigger than this trilogy. I have to leave some secrets for later. I do want to mention that this scene of Vin blasting Kredik Shaw to pieces was quite fulfilling to write for some reason. It feels like the end of a series to me, with familiar places being torn down and old expectations being dismantled. The Hero of Ages Annotations (April 13, 2010) Brandon Sanderson Drawing upon the Mists Vin draws upon the mists here for the second time. I kind of wish I'd been able to make her do it in the second book somewhere, but I decided to back off on that plot in book two. The thing is, Vin drawing upon the mists is kind of deus ex machina, and I didn't want to make the entire series about that. It's a mystery to be explained, true, and was worked into the magic system from the beginning. But I can't deny that it feels like it comes out of nowhere. So, having her use her ability to draw upon the mists here was an attempt to have that happen sometime other than a major climax moment, reminding the reader of what happened back in book one so we can begin to delve into what was happening and why. The Hero of Ages Annotations (March 11, 2010) Brandon Sanderson Vin Versus the Inquisitors Vin fights the Inquisitors, hoping to put herself in a situation where she can draw upon the mists. It's a reckless plan, but I hope it feels exactly like something Vin would do. She's tired of being manipulated; she knows the end is very near (less than a day away) and knows that she needs to do something. This is all she could come up with, and I think it's a good plan. (At least if you're Vin.) It's a final attempt to save the world or go out in a blaze, fighting down thirteen Inquisitors at once. This is my favorite fight in the book. The previous ones are all too warlike. I prefer the beauty of a couple of Mistborn fighting in the rain and the mist, as opposed to the characters taking out hundreds of koloss. This fight between Vin and the Inquisitors is the kind of thing I developed Allomancy to do in the first place. The Hero of Ages Annotations (April 6, 2010) Finally a WoB connection the mists and stormlight: Questioner I'm going through Hero of Ages...again and I noticed...when Vin takes the power of Preservation into herself the descriptions remind me a lot of someone who has been Invested with Stormlight-- Brandon Sanderson Yes. Questioner --are those powers very similar-- Brandon Sanderson Yes. Questioner --in how they operate? Brandon Sanderson Ye-- Definitely some similarities. You will see a lot of mist in Stormlight if you are looking. So yeah. Questioner It like puffs out like mist. Bands of Mourning release party (Jan. 25, 2016)

That actually was another reason I really liked Mysterio in the movie. Usually invisibility in movies has some form of distortion. In spider-man the illusions were so "perfect" you couldn't tell at all till it broke apart. I really liked how Marvel portrayed that.

I could see that potentially being possible.

I will just copy paste the example I made with Batter in an earlier post: So when fullborn activates all its powers, Battar would activate transportation to fully transition to the cognitive realm. At which point she can find the bead associated with the metalminds on the fullborn, soulcast them to smoke, and then soulcast the now uninvested fullborn to smoke.

I agree. There is another thread with that at its focus, so I will leave things be here. Totally understand and wish you luck!

Yes. As I mentioned in a prior post, I am basing my comments on that we know a normal fabrial soulcaster could soulcast a normal full goldmind. I believe by extension being fueled by a shard a herald would be capable of soulcasting metalminds at the level of a fullborn. Kaladin has shown he can surgebind with his feet just as well as his hands. The herald is standing on the ground, thus he is touching the ground. When we see Szeth or Kaladin lash an object, it does not take time for the entire object to get lashed. The entire object is immediately lashed with each lashing. That at least is my reasoning Because as mentioned earlier the honorblade is drawing directly from Honor, so there is no running out of stormlight. The fullborn can only store so much weight (as per one WoB I posted), in addition to storing weight may mitigate slightly the effect of a lashing (another WoB I posted). The fullborn as you said would have to constantly be compounding strength and healing just to not be turned into a puddle nonetheless actually move anywhere. At least that is my reasoning/what I posit. edit: Just as an aside, the fullborn would have to tap health as increasing muscle strength alone would not prevent the fullborn's brain in their skull, and organs in their body from being squeezed into liquid and forced out of its body like a juicer. edit 2: as another aside, the fullborn would have to hold its metals in its hands, because the increased gravitational pull could result in the bands breaking off from the weight. In fact the fullborn would end up quite naked from the weight of the clothes ripping off the fullborn LOL

I could see that, and totally get it didn't work for you. I think I just enjoyed Jake's acting as Beck so much the plot didn't really bother me. I think part of it was I was also concerned that Marvel was going to try and turn him into an actual good guy as a double fake out. As in hey Mysterio is a good guy, but everyone knows he is a bad guy, but turns out he really is a good guy! So it ends up with me being happy they stuck to him being a bad guy. I think part of the problem is how do you introduce Mysterio, keep to his origin, and not have it be hamfisted? The only way I could think of is have him genuinely be around in the background and develop him as a character in prior movies, and then in this movie have the big reveal. The problem is, the moment you name him, people will know what he will become. It is like Gotham when they introduce Edward Nigma. Admittedly I largely didn't watch Gotham, but I feel like if I did, half the time I would just be sitting there like "so is this when they are going to have him go bad?". Are they going to try and make up more backstory, and shove in a tragedy to make his turn to villainhood seem tragic? The other alternative is give him a completely different name, and then have it suddenly revealed that he is actually Beck, and changed his name. I forget where, but I feel another show or movie did that, and that to me felt like a cop out. Wait, was that Star Trek when everyone knew it was Khan, but they claimed up down and all around it wasn't till he in the movie he ended up saying it was? I dunno. Whole lot of question, especially considering I have no idea where Marvel is going to take the future. Like Pikachu said, twisty, very twisty lol. Definitely agree Jake's acting is what sold Mysterio the most to me.

True we never know how Gavinor will end up, but personally that doesn't strike me as a motivation for Jasnah and Kaladin to get married and have a kid. Strikes me more as a "let's keep an eye on Gavinor and make sure he is cared for growing up". Personally couldn't see Jasnah approaching Kaladin to have a baby as a just in case that Gavinor ends up all screwy. But having said that, that just doesn't sit right with me. If it sits right with you, then I wish you luck with your theory!

Which is why I was saying the herald would destroy the metal minds first, for which without the fullborn cannot compound and thereby no longer is invested and therefore just like a mistborn when they aren't burning, can be soulcasted away like any other person. Again, as in my initial post, I readily admit this is assuming both individuals start a distance away from each other, neither using any powers. Countdown happens, then begin. Power usage on part of both parties seems to be the speed of thought. As in mental activation. The fullborn would naturally tap speed both mental and physical first. What I posit is the herald would use their surges in a giant area and its max power. If the entire area is taken up, then to me it would not matter how fast the fullborn is as there is no where to go. Yes lashing requires contact. The same contact that Jezerin would have just standing on the ground. Normally lashings are limited due to the amount of stormlight you have. The larger the object, the more stormlight required for each lash. The greater number of lashings, the greater the stormlight used. I posit being fueled directly by Honor jumps those hurdles like when Vin was fueled by the mists at Kredik Shaw (annotations of that chapter in Hero of Ages backs this up). So basically how I envision it is combat starts, fullborn taps both types of speed (physical and mental) at the same time the herald creates a field of gravitation for miles around pulverizing everything. The fullborn would either have to be assumed to also be tapping strength, and healing, which I admit is reasonable to expect, or it would go squish. In that example I feel it would be a stalemate. The fullborn unable to move constantly tapping strength and healing, while the herald maintain the gravitational field. Theoretically the herald could then advance and shove the honorblade through the fullborn's head, but I think that would be a needless risk as it would provide the fullborn metal on which to push and potentially end the herald's access to the power. Same thing as I presented with gravitation. My expectation of the effect would be like when Kredik Shaw was crushed. In fact it could be even more as it is commented on in that scene that Vin gets stronger over time as she is using the mists. A herald who has been using the honorblades for centuries I would imagine would have gotten quite used to their use. Assuming an intense enough heat (if the interludes are to be believed, even stone is burned by a dustbringer's division), the metal minds could potentially be destroyed very quickly. All metal can be vaporized. You just have to hit the right temperature. Gold vaporizes at 1064 C. There goes the fullborn's healing. Good point. Could be though we have no idea what the dawnshards were exactly. I do feel the other WoB stands though. Creating an entire city with the use of lightweaving and cohesion is possible as per the WoB. Considering all the cities are symmetrical, I do not think it is something that could be done a piece at a time. It seems to me more that it originated at a center, and was formed at that size in one go. So that is what I am claiming the herald could do to battle a fullborn. Hopefully that clarified a bit more.

Eh, well I will be happy to read and respond in full to your response when you do read the whole thing. Guess to each their own.

It would make the process of awakening easier, but based on the WoB below, I do not think it would aid in providing a means of understanding good and evil. Though I suppose it could go either way. Questioner So the lighteyes that get Soulcast into stone, can they be Awakened? Brandon Sanderson *pause* So… Yes, but their soul is gone. When they get Soulcast into stone it is only the corpse, so yes they could. Questioner Would it be a lifeless or a-- Would it be like Awakening something inorganic or would them once being alive help? Brandon Sanderson The fact that they were once alive will help. There's a Spiritual Connection that still exists on the Spiritual Realm and that is going to help. But you're not going to get the person back. The fact that it is the exact form of a person is going to be really helpful. It would be a lot easier to Awaken that than it would be to Awaken other stone. Shadows of Self release party (Oct. 5, 2015)

Only replying here because I don't want to digress the other thread. If you go through the rest of this thread, I did post my reasons as to why I do not see a case for a marriage between Kaladin and Jasnah rather extensively. If you are curious, I could repeat them, but otherwise I wish you well with your theory!

I totally respect your views, and you are entitled to your opinion, but I still do not see how even if that was the case (which I do not personally feel it is), that a political marriage would fix that. Kaladin is already sworn to Dalinar in the Kholin military hierarchy and through it ultimately the King, or now in this case the Queen. Dalinar now heads the Radiants. Elhokar via what he drafted before dying laid out the progression pretty clearly. Military of each princedom answers to their highprince. Highprince answers to the Queen. In all matters of state, Queen is the highest authority In matters of the voidbringer's, Queen answers to Dalinar. Why is a marriage between Jasnah and Kaladin needed to help that? Also Gavinor is heir apparent. Jasnah marrying someone would only muddy the line of succession. As I said above to Zen, Elhokar already put the structure into effect. Don't really see a need for additional legitimacy. As to the Vorin church, Jasnah has already run groups of disparate individuals (scholars, stormwardens, and ardents) in research and Navani marveled at all she accomplished. Kadash's main beef with Dalinar was his statements prevented the ardents from still practicing and offering comfort to their people. Jasnah has stated on numerous occasions that she has no problem with people worshiping as they do so long as they do not tell her how she is to worship or not worship. As to Gavinor I do not see him as an unknown variable. Jasnah was willing to leave Alethkar, to give Elhokar one less shadow to have to live under (the other his father), out of her respect to his right to rulership (WoB backs that up). Had her research required her to be in Alethkar, that would have taken precedence, but she had no desire to steal away the kingship for Elhokar, and I doubt she would have any desire to steal it from Elhokar's son. TLDR I agree Jasnah is the best choice for the job, but I disagree that a political marriage would be necessary, as I do not see a real benefit for anyone. I agree completely.

Well in the comics Flash did bully Peter when they were younger, and then idolized Spider-man. Harry Odbourne loved Peter but hated Spider-man. But I can see what you are getting at, and it would be an interesting turn to merge the two. I also would love to see Agent Venom on the big screen, but not sure how they would fit in Flash going off to war and losing his legs. Unless they cut that. The big thing both my wife and I are hoping for, but probably will never happen is for them to have Tom Holland's Spider-man opposite a rated R Carnage. I think Tom's innocence juxtaposed to Clettus Cassidy's utter homicidal madness could make for an incredibly gripping movie. But I doubt Disney would let that happen.

So let's see if I can put this in a cohesive order. So my comments can be seen easier vs the WoB and book quotes I will color my words blue First, let us discuss the heralds and the honorblades. The honorblades before Honor's death were fueled directly by Honor. The heralds had access to levels of power no radiant could ever hope to obtain. Both WoB shown below: Steeldancer The Heralds, back before Honor died, were they directly powered by Honor? Brandon Sanderson Yes. You’ll find out more about that, but the Shardblades [pretty sure he means Honorblades here] were pieces of Honor’s soul that he gave them and direct access to his essence. Steeldancer Like Vin and Elend? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, a little like that. That’s why Honorblades don’t work like Shardblades do, like Radiants do. Steeldancer The second part of the question is, what would happen if they were directly powered by Honor and they were holding Nightblood? Brandon Sanderson RAFO Boskone 54 (Feb. 17, 2017) WindRunner88 (paraphrased) So far during The Stormlight Archive we've seen that the spren bond appears to have some distinct advantages (i.e. armor, more efficient Stormlight consumption, access to a variety of weapons) over what Tanavast via the Oathpact provided the Heralds. With the exception of Nale, and the fact that the Heralds had no need for Stormlight, can you please tell me one way in which a Herald had a distinct advantage over a level 5 Radiant of their corresponding order? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Rebirth. *pause* The Heralds had access to raw levels of power that no Radiant could obtain. BookCon 2018 (June 1, 2018) So where else have we seen a magic system where a normal example of that magic system, having direct access to that shards investiture allowed that individual to do things far beyond what any other common magic user of that system can do? Oh yeah, Vin when she was fueled by Preservation. There is a limit on a normal mistborn on how strong they can push. There is a limit to what they can push on. Yet in Hero of Ages...... "Her overpowering Push forced the whole flock of them downward, as if they'd been swatted. In fact, her Push also hit the metal spire directly beneath her. The stone architecture holding the spire in place exploded, spraying chips and dust outward as the spire itself crushed the building beneath it...." "If a single Push could throw her up so far she passed out of the mists, then what would happen if she Pushed outward? When the Inquisitors had almost reached her, she Pushed outward again, throwing metal away from her with all the force she could muster while at the same time strengthening her body with a massive flare of pewter. Stone cracked. Inquisitors cried out. And Kredik Shaw exploded. Towers topples from their foundations. Doors ripped free from their frames. Windows shattered. Blocks burst, the entire structure torn to pieces as its metals lurched away. She screamed as she Pushed, the ground trembling beneath her. Everything - even the rock and stone, which obviously contained residual traces of metal ore - was thrown violently back. She gasped, stopping her Push. She drew in breath, feeling the rain splatter against her. The building that had been the Lord Ruler's palace was gone, flattened to rubble which spread out and away from her like an impact crater. " "Pulling on a fallen spire. The massive piece of metal - nearly as big as a building itself - lurched into the air, spinning at her command. She slammed it into the Inquisitors like a club, crushing them. " So we see Vin powered directly by a shard level an entire building with just a push. So if a mistborn fueled directly by a shard could do that, then I see no reason personally why a herald could not do the same with their surges. So now let us talk each power I mentioned. I will start with soulcasting first. Fabrial soulcasting is used to pushing through innate investiture enough that it could soulcast a normal gold mind. It is also possible to soulcast shardplate. The feruchemical stores of a fullborn are obviously much more invested right? But so too would be Battar by drawing directly on Honor. So to me that says she could do it. I understand if you disagree. Questioner Can you Soulcast an Invested object? Brandon Sanderson Yes, but it's much harder. But humans are Invested, and you can soulcast humans. Questioner So, suppose you had a goldmind that was filled. And you tried to Soulcast into iron. What would happen to the Investiture inside it? Brandon Sanderson So, the Investiture would remain in there, but it's keyed to the wrong thing, so you wouldn't be able to get it. It'd be much harder to Soulcast that, by the way. The more Invested, the harder it is. But Soulcasters are used to it, because everything has Investiture, and most of what they're Soulcasting. They deal with this, so it's something they're kind of expert at. So, this is not outside reason, that it could happen. You could give it to your average Soulcaster on Roshar, and they could make it happen. You just wouldn't be able to get the Investiture out of it anymore. Arcanum Unbounded release party (Nov. 22, 2016) H4rg I would have a question about Soulcasting : is Soulcasting an invested object harder ? And if it is a human (lets say, an Allomancer) but he is not burning any metal, would he be as easy as Soulcast as any "normal" person ? Brandon Sanderson It is harder to Soulcast an invested object, but Soulcasters--by their nature--are used to dealing with this. When Allomancers aren't burning metal, they are not considered highly-invested. Stormlight Three Update #5 (Nov. 20, 2016) Questioner Can Shardplate be Soulcast? Brandon Sanderson Shardplate could be Soulcast, but anything Invested is very difficult to Soulcast and it would essentially destroy it. Which would be one of the few ways to destroy Shardplate. Shadows of Self release party (Oct. 5, 2015) Next power to discuss. Gravitation. Couldn't the fullborn just change his or her weight? Well as per WoB it might mitigate it, but would not stop the effect. In addition there is a limit on storage. So again, based on the above WoB and the ones below, I believe a herald could create a gravitational field powerful enough to at the very least keep the fullborn in place, if not crush them requiring them to constantly heal. So in this case it would be more of a draw. The limit on storage WoB I posted in another thread so will edit this one to add after I post Bat_Mannington If a Windrunner lashed Wax upwards, could he dump all of his weight into his metalminds and be unaffected or would the lashing affect his clothes and whatever else he had on him too? Brandon Sanderson Wax could mitigate the effect (unless he was in a vacuum) but not eliminate it completely. faragorn Vacuum or freefall? It can be easy to confuse them in the context of surface to orbit. Brandon Sanderson I was talking about a Vacuum, but it's good to clarify. What I'm saying is that without wind resistance, his mass doesn't matter--and the books have established that what Wax does is a freakish transformation of his mass, not just his weight. Kaladin changes how much gravity pulls on someone, and in what direction. Wax (basically, it's more complex than this) changes how much mass he has. The two, then, have some very distinctive effects. Worldbuilders AMA (Dec. 5, 2015) Thoughtful Spurts If there's really no upper limit to Feruchemy for practical reasons* , why didn't Sazed just fill steel at ridiculous levels for a few minutes in [Well of Ascension], and then go back to running instead of leaving his steelminds there? Say, being some 100,000 times slower than he would normally be for about a minute. Meaning that a Feruchemist should be able to fill a given metalmind in very short periods of time if you fill at a high enough rate. *(yes, you have the limit of how much you can store in a given metalmind and for how many metalminds you can carry on your person, but those are probably too high to really be taken into account in more "normal" circumstances) Brandon Sanderson The low end is bounded. You can pull out tons--but in filling, you can only go so far. I didn't ever explicitly talk about this in the series, but the implications are there. Not all have the same bounds, but in your example, the body just can't slow beyond a certain point. Think of it this way--you can only fill a weight metalmind with as much weight as you have to give. So you can become very, very light--but you only add to a time for doubling your weight. You can't make yourself 100,000 times slower and gain 100,000 times multiplication. You can give up all of your normal speed, and so when you tap that speed out you are at 200% for an equal period. (And that's a theoretical maximum; realistically, you can only go to down around 75% slower or the like.) Next division. You can melt down metal minds. The power is still accessible, so long as it remains together. If the herald did a huge field of division, it could turn the metal minds to either liquid which would run down the fullborn's arms and drip away preventing access, or if hot enough could potentially vaporize the metal, also preventing the fullborn from accessing the stores resulting in its death. ntdfbladez (paraphrased) If a metalmind is melted down and changes shape, does it still retain its power? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes, only by mixing it with other metals would the power be completely lost. Also if any pieces of the metalmind are lost, then some of the power will be lost (as it would be in the missing pieces). Rithmatist Houston signing (May 20, 2013) Finally your comment about Renarin not being able to heal from a crushed skull. Renarin's entire body was crushed by a Thunderclast's hand, yet he healed instantly. Quote below: Oathbringer "The thunderclast's palm crashed down on Renarin, smashing him. Adolin screamed, but his brother's Shardblade cut up through the palm, then separated the hand from the wrist. The thunderclast trumpeted in anger as Renarin climbed from the rubble of the hand. He seemed to heal more quickly than Kaladin or Shallan did, as if being crushed wasn't even a bother." So a herald with a direct line to investiture to heal. You can channel stormlight in greater amounts to heal wounds faster, just you would run out faster. Heralds from what these WoB say to me, do not have that limitation. So in summation, the above WoB and quotes are enough for me to believe that the Heralds could bring to fore the levels of power I present. If that doesn't work for you, then hey to each their own. But if these quotes are correct in showing the level of power the Heralds had access to, then I presented the ways I think the heralds could use those powers to win against a fullborn. I think Battar would have the best chance as she could transport to the cognitive realm where the fullborn could not attack her. She could then soulcast the bands to smoke ending the fullborn's access to all his or her powers. Once the fullborn becomes a normal person, since their metalminds are no more, then soulcasting the fullborn directly should be child's play. edit: ah one more thing I just thought of! There is a WoB, that I will try to find later that hints that the shattered plains could have been shattered due to lightweaving. Now one could say a whole bunch of lightweavers boosted by a bondsmith could have done that. Or maybe a certain king's daughter maybe? ::::cough Shalash cough cough:::: edit 2: still looking for the shattered plains WoB, but found three others of note, shown below: Hoiditthroughthegrapevine So were the Dawncities, the ones based on cymatic patterns, created using a supercharged combinations of the Surges of Cohesion and Illumination? Using Cohesion to make the ground liquid and using Illumination to create the frequency. Brandon Sanderson You are theorizing in the right direction. Skyward Seattle signing (Nov. 10, 2018) Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) [Discussion of Lightweavers manipulating other forms of electromagnetic radiation] But the ultimate form (That Brandon said would be too much to be practical both in needed stormlight and application) would be the control of Gamma Radiation. If this could be harnessed, Lightweavers could literally become mini nukes, or death guns. The biggest downside to making Gamma radiation would be the damage the lightweaver would most likely suffer. So gamma radiation is impractical but its a fun thought experiment. The best part of this whole speculation was how excited Brandon was about my train of thought. I don't know if anyone had brought up this train of thought before. But he was happy to remind me that things will get pretty interesting when Lightweavers discover lasers and start using them in combat. Miscellaneous 2016 (July 3, 2016) Questioner Lightweavers are radios, aren't they? Lightwaves are radio waves? Light and-- they're the same thing, aren't they? Brandon Sanderson ...They can do sound too, yeah. So you're saying lightweaving with illusion, can it? Questioner Can transmit radio waves? As in, communicate over long distances, it's one of the most important things in battles, right? In war... Brandon Sanderson I had someone in one of my very early books irradiate someone with Lightweaving, I think. Questioner Oh that's right you've got multiple kinds of Lightweaving. Brandon Sanderson Yeah. Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018) it was semi rhetorical. If Karger had said he or she did not know, or that he or she assumed the gemhearts were easy to find running the fused through with a shardblade, I was then going to follow up with what you posted, showing how small and thereby difficult to aim for the gemhearts are. Thanks for the quote!

What makes you say they are merging Flash Thompson/Harry Osbourne? Just wondering if there was something I missed in the movie. Thanks!

As @cometaryorbit said, compounding is still limited by your metals. Secondly, there is a limit to compounding strength because then you won't be able to move from all the muscle mass. Remember compounding strength doesn't just increase your strength, it increases your muscles to be able to be that strong. Compound so much and you will end up like the body builders that inject liquid into their muscles to make them look bigger and end up looking like a cloud lol. Sazed said it himself, you can only do it so much before you will not be able to move, and also your metal minds will pop off your arms. As to why Heralds needed help during desolations, I answered in another post. There are 100s of forms for the singers that we have not seen. I think we have not seen anywhere near the level of forces Odium can bring to the table. To assume the only enemies the past radiants have faced are what we have seen so far is discounting a lot of the background information we have read. It is mentioned in one of the interludes when they were researching the Dawnchant that part of what Odium's forces did was purposely target information centers to reduce their technological advancements between desolations. Another interlude mentioned how the radaints were endeavoring to find a way to maintain information between desolations, with the implication being it was the gemstones in Urithiru. I don't need to find 6 thunderclasts to defeat a herald with 50 fused. We have the Unmade which we have not seen the full extent of their powers yet. We have 100s of forms for the singers we have not seen yet. We have visions from Dalinar where midnight essences were just the hint of the coming desolation as per the knights own words. Odium was convinced he was going to win without issue. So why worry about bringing his A game? Exploding headbutt was from a duralumin pewter burn to an exposed head. Not a shardplate covered one. Even if the herald did lose his or her head (which as I put forward earlier, it wouldn't even get near that point), we have seen how fast Renarin heals with progression coupled with stormlight. The herald could just focus the direct investiture to healing that place instantly. But again, in the examples I gave, it would not even reach that point That is the preferred way to kill a radiant. We do not know if that would apply to a herald who has access to investiture directly from Honor. And again this is moot if the metal minds are destroyed or soulcasted away. The individual would no longer have access to compounding. Do you know how big a parshendi gemheart is?