Bort

I feel I should apologize to @Steeldancer. Taking Asu Wish as a name seems to have started the bad puns rolling. Ok, so I'm not really sorry.

I don't think that is likely. It would mean every family member of that generation getting a new job every time a new sibling was born. Not to mention that if firstborns lead, then that would make the youngest the leader, to be dethroned every time another child is born.

Ok, thanks @Wonko the Sane

Well said, Orlok. Also, what is an IM?

I'm assuming that there isn't a ROUS role? If not, I think there should be, since all ROUS's were men in suits. I'm in as "Asu Wish," a man from a distant land who keeps his promises.

@Scion of the Mists - Oops, thanks for the correction... Don't mind me.

Cadmium. Always vote for the bloodthirsty ones first.

@Caevita @Belzedar One of you says there is WoB that there are nine Unmade, one says there is WoB that says there are not nine. Could you please find your relevant WoBs to support this please, since you are directly contradicting each other, and both say there are WoBs to back you up. @KnightRadiant301 It is my belief that the Unmade are somehow related to the Heralds. Initially I thought they were created when a Herald breaks for the first time, but later came to wonder if the Unmade were somehow crafted from something the Heralds left behind when they signed the Oathpact. There is a link in my signature to the thread where it is discussed. As for the Sibling, I don't think we've met the Sibling yet, but believe he/she/it has something to do with the earth, or stone, or crem.

I'm not convinced there were no Orators voting. @Straw - What happens if an Orator is role blocked?

Go on then. Sign me up as Ash, formerly fire.

@Straw - What happens when an Orator is Soothed? Does it drop them to just one vote, or does it cancel out both of their votes? It looks like there might be a second Soother - Steeldancer's vote is not listed.

Something like that. Araris.

Poor Lekal, possibly down to their last member. I think we should lynch an Elariel, since they've lost the least players. I'll be back on later in the cycle with real thoughts, but now it's bedtime.

He's probably already dead. If my numbers are right, then his partner was probably Amanuensis.

This is my count for the current vote totals: Araris (6) - Bort, Itiah, Cadmium Compounder, Mac, Mark, Ripple, Walin Itiah (5) - Mraize, Araris, Mac, Elandera, Steel, Ripple Walin - Steel, Elandera So, yeah, Cadmium, I agree with your numbers

Araris, we have only your word that Itiah was threatening, while also aiming at a target that he had no reason to. Why would he do that? Whereas you have not only been caught lying, you have blatantly admitted as much. Why would people believe you were telling the truth here, but not earlier? It might be MR6 I am thinking of, as I said earlier, either MR6 or the LG that was running around the same time. I've not been able to access all of the details from those two games, since there were docs and PMs involved, but one of them was the Urbain 'revolution' as you put it, and the other also had you and House Urbain in it, so whether you were directly involved or not, it did strike me as suspicious when you first claimed Urbain. And yeah, some people were upset about it, me for one, but since people seemed willing to accept it, I went along with it. Besides, how do you complain when one of the SE moderators starts screwing over the game you are playing? Or was Gamma not a moderator back then, it was quite some time ago? Either way, he was (and you were) far friendlier with everyone involved than I was, so I didn't really feel I could complain about it. I'd have been furious if I had been GM'ing the game. Now, House Urbain once again turns up in a game where you are playing, and House Urbain isn't. By this point, I'm willing to believe it was just a misdirection thing, with no ulterior motive, but there isn't any reason for me to move my vote off you either, so it stays put.

It was a long time ago, and they put up with it once before. Yes, the meta might have changed, but I've not been back long enough to figure out what the new meta is, other than that it seems to be quite a bit harsher than it used to. Day one poke and silly votes used to be a good-natured thing. Now, it's enough to get you lynched. So, which meta am I supposed to consider while playing? The one I know from before, or the one I don't yet know? If you say the latter, I'll be happy to listen to you explain how I am meant to know what the new meta is when people keep killing me. And given that I do view the current meta as harsher and less forgiving, why is it a stretch for me to believe that Araris might be able to get away with House Urbain shenanigans in a game? But, this is getting way off topic and derailing the thread... We are supposed to be discussing who to kill. My vote is staying on Araris, and I assume yours is staying on Itiah.

Admittedly, I was expecting more write-ups, so the lack of name is less of a bother due to that. And you might be right about Araris changing his play style, and I might be overreacting to his use of House Urbain again. It might all be innocent. But, other than the last two games in which I died very quickly, I haven't played SE for a few years now, so I haven't seen any change of play style. As for "screwing over the game for his own amusement," I wasn't talking about just claiming House Urbain, I was talking about claiming House Urbain, then putting together a group of friends all under the Urbain name, just to mess with the game, the rules, and the other players. That's the part that screwed with the game. I don't see it in this game, I'll even admit that, but then I didn't see it in the previous game I spoke of until it was too late. That, I imagine, would even annoy the GM. But, I'm not really seeing anything from Araris himself that suggests he has changed much, so only have your word to go on for that. Not enough to make me shift my vote. Edit: It doesn't really matter why they did it, that they did it is enough. When you've got someone spending their time putting together a game for others to play, the least the players can do is come up with a name, or agree to abide by the rules, don't you think?

I think it was MR6, but it could have been the LG that was running around that time too. They both had Araris, and they both had House Urbain, I just don't recall which one was supposed to have Urbain and which wasn't. We are talking way back in 2015 here. Edit: I did try to look it up, but without all of the docs and PMs involved, it was impossible to say for certain. It's much the same reason I voted for Shqueeves in cycle one. I find his lack of name disrespectful. Not to me, but to the GM, who put the effort into creating and running these games. Being unable to come up with a name, or worse, deliberately screwing over the game for your own amusement, doesn't show the GM the respect they deserve.

I'll admit, I'm being a bit more aggressive in this cycle than I usually am, but that is because I don't want to see a repeat of the events I mentioned in my first post, where I accused Araris. The rise of House Urbain in a game several years ago (in which Araris was involved) absolutely ruined the game for a number of people, not the least were those whose teammates had betrayed them at the prompting of Araris and... someone else, but I'll admit I forget who - No-one in this game at least, well, barring name changes, I guess (This was actually one of the incidents that led to me quitting SE for a while). I felt most sorry for the GM though. All that effort put into creating, organizing, and running a game, only for the players to take the piss like that. You say he plays to have fun and not spoil it for others, yet he has done exactly that in the past, playing to have fun, without a care for the other players. He says he doesn't want to play like that, yet that didn't stop him claiming Urbain, just like happened last time, so when it came out that he isn't, in fact, Urbain, of course I reacted to it. Maybe he is more considerate now than back then, but that doesn't change my points about him lying, and being murderous.

Keeping Itiah alive? It brings no benefit to our House, but then, nor does keeping Araris alive, and out of the two, I found Araris' actions more offensive than Itiah's. Also, Itiah's threat on Ripple only came from Araris. Nothing I have seen suggests that Itiah wants to kill Ripple at all. Even when he brought up the prospect of Ripple being an Orator in one of our night ball PMs, he was worried about her vote manipulation, until it was proved to him that Ripple couldn't be an Orator. After that, he didn't mention her again, so I don't see where Araris is getting it from. You are inclined to believe 'he didn't make it up' when in the very same cycle as you said this, Araris all but admitted it was fine to lie when manipulating people in SE? Also, his 'less competitive' style? Araris is among the more bloodthirsty players we see playing SE. Go read his cycle one, day one posts. From any game. I'm guessing this means you are an Elariel too?

I could fill in a few gaps about Snipexe's death. That was requested by Araris, through his Romantic contact in our House. Out of the ten votes he ended up with on him, there were 8 names (ok, granted, all of the names were anonymous, but still). This suggests 2 Orators. Four of the votes on Snip came from our House, while we were experimenting to see if working with Araris' House might be feasible (not really, so far we've had requests to kill Snip and Itiah (but no reasoning), as well as lies, but no useful information), leaving the other 6 coming mostly from House Elariel. I believe one of the Orators to vote on Snip was Arinian, and I assume one of the others was Araris (Edit: meaning other voters, I'm not implying that he is the other Orator, although this might be possible). I don't know who the other Orator is, but it looks like they voted along with us for Snip's death. Wait, so Itiah, you PM'ed Arinian? That might explain why Araris requested of us that we all voted for you. Bit hypocritical, isn't it, Araris? Trying to do the exact thing you were complaining about earlier, about 'coalitions' not being 'fun'?

I receive a newsletter from Codeproject, a developers' forum, and saw this on one of the article links in the newsletter:

@Ammanas - Yeah, Spiderman: Homecoming was well worth the watch. I'm not so sure it would make my top five, but it was a massive improvement on the Toby Whats-his-face years. Let's see now... 1. Guardians of the Galaxy 2. Thor: Ragnarok 3. Ant-Man 4. Avengers 5: Infinity War

But didn't it sound like fun during Night Two, when you suggested that Snipexe died? Also, isn't that exactly what you were trying to do in your post earlier, where you voted for Itiah - "Ripplegylf, you and your House should vote this way too."