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Nope, the discussion has been very well-behaved, and I really enjoy reading it. Thanks to all Brandon fans who are kind, reasonable, and like intelligent discussion, like is happening here You all make me very happy that I put work into 17th Shard. Thanks for all being awesome.

So casual Coppermind editors might not really understand the crazy scheme for articles. A while back it was apparent that there needed to be a way to measure quality of articles. "Stub" didn't really say much if you literally had everything about a given subject in its article. And so there are four different article quality categories: Stubs - The lowest on the totem pole, these are short or incomplete articles that need work. Complete - Articles that are "Complete" are generally shorter articles, but ones that contain everything about the subject that is currently known. It is considered "done" because there is literally no more information that could be added to it. Good - "Good" articles are articles that are longer than the "Stub" category warrants, so they generally have multiple sections and a good amount of content. Exemplary - These are long-form articles that contain everything on a given subject. They are also considered done until new information on the subject is revealed. Basically, I feel like the long-term goal is to have important subjects all be Exemplary articles eventually, and for shorter ones, Complete. By the way, every article should be in one of these categories. If you de-stub something because you expanded it and you don't feel the stub category counts yet, then please mark it Good using the {{good}} template. I don't mind if people promote things to Good status, but I would like to formalize the process for Complete and Exemplary articles. To keep standards high, I think it's a good idea to have someone look over articles. And by "someone," for now I think Windy or I. (Not Joe though. He's banned from completing articles without discussing it with us ) Just having a second once-over seems like a smart idea. Before now, those tags have basically involved me asking Windy, "hey is this complete?" or "Think this can be Exemplary status?" And with you guys working on improving Emperor's Soul articles and as our editor base grows, we ought to include you guys So I'm thinking this topic will be where you post if you think an article is Exemplary or Complete, and then we go look at it and mark it as such. I'll start. I think Shai and Ashravan should be Exemplary. They are fantastic. Anyone see any additions needed on those? Candidates for Completion Spanreed Painrial Candidates for Exemplary Shai Fabrial Spren

Thanks for all your hard work, Liz and cem. It really, really helps.

Cem, this is a great idea. Thanks for your awesome work so far, seriously!

I must need to update that add-on. I'll work on it.

It was down for a bit, but came back. As of now, if the Twitter feed is down, it is most likely on Twitter's side.

As a note, Kerry definitely asked this question, but I was with her and noted the answer (not on audio, unfortunately), which was referenced earlier in this thread. So definitely take Kerry at her word here, haha. In fact, when I saw this thread, I immediately consulted Kerry, because I couldn't quite remember the exact logistics of it. We definitely need to ask Brandon this again, and if he says that if you are Smoked that you can't Seek outside of the bubble, how the crap did Soothing Stations work? Because that's a pretty big hole, in my opinion. Those stations were super hidden, and the bronze would've given them away eventually.

I'm going to ask that posts in this topic should be directly discussing religion in relation to Brandon's work. If it does not, I'm probably going to just remove them from now on. This is about analysis of religion in Brandon's works, and any other religious discussion is probably irrelevant to this topic at hand. Thank you.

I like having Magic being a subset of Setting. Also, Main Characters. There are a lot of throwaway viewpoint at times that do not need to be listed. Should we have a quotes section for awesome quotes in the book? I realize it will duplicate effort a bit, but I really like Quotes in character articles. I think it adds a lot.

I like that scheme, Joe. I also like the idea of a Setting section, but it has a similar problem to the magic section. What do we do with sequels? The book page for a sequel really ought to be a hub for getting to the new content introduced in that book.

I've looked at the analytics and can definitely say that Brandon's site is the top link to 17th Shard. No surprise there, but it definitely makes sense.

I would like to anounce that it has been the most crazy month on 17th Shard ever. Why? Well, for one, record amount of hits, clocking in at 3.3 million hits. Additionally, this month has had the most posts ever, with over 4500 so far (there's still a few days of October left too!). The previous record holder is in the low 3000s. Thanks for coming to the site, guys. It is very humbling.

WE HAVE CERTAINLY NEVER DONE SUCH THINGS! Actually, Windy doesn't have the ability to do that. Admins on the other hand...

Hello fellow Worldbringers (as in, people who work on the Coppermind a lot). I remember in a previous discussion about past vs. present tense we came up with a standardized sections for Character articles. Since our main book pages are generally awful (Well of Ascension is finally acceptable thanks to Feather), I thought we'd discuss some other section titles that should be standard for the primary content categories. First off we'll discuss what to do with books, and then this topic can expand this to other categories. So what sections should be in a good Books article? Looking at the books articles, we get this list: Cover synopsis Summary Characters Magic Publications Awards What else should be added? I also feel that we need to include multiple editions of the covers--at least the English ones--on a book page, which would be most important for the Mistborn books, where the covers changed a lot from hardback to paperback.

Yeah this doesn't quite work. I got on an article chain that led to Alethkar, but Alethkar goes to Vorinism, and back to Alethkar. DNE

I'm saying I wasn't able to for either. I'm not super concerned, honestly.

I've looked, can't really do anything about it. It's the same for the Words of Radiance board.

He's almost like a scholar, in a way. I want to say it is something like logicspren, but obviously he does not have the same appearance as one. What spren do you think he is?

How the crap have I not seen this topic yet??? This is freaking awesome. I love the note about Ruin and Preservation's colorings. And the part about foci? Mind blown.

(It's been a while since I've made a theory. I hope you like this one.) You know, I don't think there's ever been a theory about how the people on the southern continent of Scadrial--which I'll now call Southern Scadrians for simplicity--have their magic. If you had forgotten, the Southern Scadrians do have access to the Metallic Arts, despite there being no lerasium in their bloodlines. In fact, it is a totally different way of access the Metallic Arts than in the northern continent. Instead of it being genetic, it is technological. For a long time, I twisted my head around, utterly baffled at how something like this could work with the Metallic Arts. After all, the hereditary nature of Allomancy and Feruchemy is rather critical. Some people I think mentioned god metals, but they definitely don't have access to either lerasium or atium on the southern continent. So... what the crap. An idea popped into my head last week. And then this quote came about, which supported this idea: Hmmm. Highstorms--and presumably Stormlight--are related to the mists. I am not going to delve into a big discussion on what this quote means, but... well. Where have we seen magical technology? Roshar, in the forms of fabrials. They simulate abilities Surgebinders had. If Stormlight and highstorms are like the mists, then is it not incredibly reasonable to suppose there was some sort of equivalent of fabrials that could be constructed on Scadrial? A way for these Southern Scadrians to harness the Metallic Arts in a technological way, but in a way that we've seen before? On Roshar, fabrials work because you infuse a gemstone with Stormlight, and then you need to trap a specific spren inside of it. Well, then on Scadrial, you'd have metal and maybe one can Invest it with mists somehow. I have no idea what a Scadrian equivalent of a spren is, but if it is possible to Invest mists into metal, then I think we have it figured out. Set a certain piece of metal out in the mists in night, and through some unknown process, get it Invested. Mist fabrials, baby. Somehow, this makes such intuitive sense to me that it seems obvious. In the second Mistborn trilogy, society in Elendel will have already encountered the Southern Scadrians, and by association, their tech. That signals to me that in the second Mistborn trilogy we will have this type of technology at our disposal, and it needs to not seem totally insane and bizarre to readers of the first trilogy. "Well," random Scadrian can say, "legend says Allomancy came from the mists, so of course you just get a bit of mist in this and get some type of Allomancy." It's an explanation a random character can say that really does seem to make sense in an early chapter, and fits with the theme of Scadrial discovering all sorts of new technology for this more modern trilogy. Am I totally insane or does this seem like the most logical thing that the technology could be? I imagine the type of metal the mists are Invested in makes a difference to what ability the mist fabrial simulates. Since there are two types of mist now (one of Preservation and one of Ruin), then maybe you need to Invest some of both to get Allomancy and Feruchemy. And, so the genetic Allomancers and Feruchemists aren't useless, the mist fabrials are surely of a lot more limited use than general Allomancy. I mean, think about Allomancy compared with other magic systems. An Allomancer has it pretty easy when it comes to getting his powers: eat some metal. Here, the mist fabrials probably drain mist faster than a casual Allomancer would, and if it runs out, it isn't as if you can just down another vial. That seems pretty balanced to me. That said, I have no idea how Feruchemy would operate. I also imagine you would not be able to Compound. These mist fabrials are limited things. Now, I'll admit I have absolutely no idea how one would Invest mist in metal, and how northern Scadrians hadn't figured it out. There's a key component missing in the process that I have no idea about. And then there's the Scadrian equivalent of spren. How does that work? I don't know. Maybe that right there is the trickiest part. But I cannot help but think that this can be the only possible way for there to be a technological way to harness the Metallic Arts. It has to be this, somehow. I got this idea a few days ago, and since there was a signing yesterday, it occurred to me that here was something that was very, very easy to test with the simple question, "Is there a method to Invest a piece of metal with mists, similar to how gemstones can be Invested with Stormlight?" So I had Josh ask it for me. I am waiting with baited breath for the answer. Also, as an aside, there is an annotation that suggested the Lord Ruler put people on the southern pole as a reserve, in case his genetic modifications failed. So, if mist fabrials were the method that the Lord Ruler gave these people to survive down there. Sooo, I figured if Brandon said yes to the previous question, I'd ask if the Lord Ruler knew of this method and used it. (He certainly wears enough metal to make it useful, don't you think?) So we'll wait on confirmation on that. Right now, what do you think?

Wow, this is crazy awesome stuff. In so many ways. I feel this is very, very important, in a way that may not be obvious. My theory-senses are tingling...

Moving to cosmere theories, as General Discussion is for non-Brandon works.

I would tend to agree with those asking for a single topic for code requests (but that is my own personal opinion which does not reflect the staff as a whole). But, you'll be able to grab a code soon through the scavenger hunt, okay? Sooo we'll fix it and it will all be good. It's going to be a little moot shortly. (I am certainly being persuaded that the Steelhunt was too exclusionary, so critics, I agree with you. I want everyone to see these things.)

Hmmm, let me see. All right. Here is the unfortunate news. I can change the format for those timestamps, but it would change it for the whole board. There is no member setting for adjusting it, and frankly there should be, but it is what it is I guess.

Idea: once our scavenger hunt thing goes up, maybe we can put up a Steelhunt forum for this? I'd need to talk to Josh and Mi'ch about this, but I'd feel better about it if anyone on the site can theoretically get a code, you know? So uh we should probably get on that XD Also I wasn't aware that we explicitly banned people requesting codes here, just discussion... I will check with Josh and Mi'ch, okay?