Other Characters as Knights Raidant

[Letryx13]

I'm sure that I'm not the first person to post something like this, but one thing about having a series that sorts people based on personality, is that you can't help but think some characters would be perfect for that group.  Like in Harry Potter with the school houses, I often like to think that one character or another would be perfect for a particular order of Knights Radiant. 

I decided to compile a list of characters throughout the cosmere, that as far as I know have never set foot on Roshar, that suit each order of radiant.  I hope to build more lists like this in the future, sorting characters from other fandoms.  

BondSmith-Sarene (Ellantris) Sarene seems like a natural politician to me.  She not only initiates a political marriage for herself to unite two kingdoms, but works with political allies to help keep the kingdom from falling apart. Her husband Raoden might seem like a better choice, but he seems more like someone who just wants to improve the lives of people, not unite different people.

WindRunner-Vin(Mistborn) A no brainer, for me.  She can fly through the air in a similar manner to WindRunners, and she had to learn to care enough about people to protect them. First her friends, then the people of the empire.  She struggles with exactly the same conflict with killing that Kaladin does, so she strikes me as an ideal Windrunner.

 

SkyBreaker-Waxiliium(Mistborn Era 2) Waxillium seems more sure of his actions for killing than Vin does, and he is referred to multiple times as a lawman.  He also flies through the air with his abilities, similar to WindRunners and SkyBreakers, but while he is a protecter, he sees himself as a lawman.  He could probably go either way between WindRunner and Skybreaker, but I see him more as a Skybreaker.

 

DustBringer-Hrathen(Ellantris) DustBringers are described as people who seek self mastery.  This is supposed to be appropriate because of the destructive powers they wield, which seems like a good fit for Hrathen. He is a religious soldier, demonstrating his considerable control over himself during his fast in Ellantris, but he is also willing to resort to destructive means when he sees it as necessary, such as when he instigated a bloody conflict in Duladel.

 

EdgeDancer-Fafen(Warbreaker) Most people probably don't remember that there were three princesses in Idris.  But Vivenna and Siri had a sister in-between them in age.  She was a monk in a country where their jobs were mostly to grow food for poor people. This seems to fit extremely well with EdgeDancers, given their attitudes and powers.

 

TruthWatcher-Tindwyl(Mistborn) This order was tricky, since most scholars would fit the role of a TruthWatcher, but I settled on Tindwyl.  Most keepers, with one major exception, seem to focus on discovering and recording knowledge, keeping a more objective and neutral position in their world's affairs.  This makes it seem like most keepers would fit the role of Truthwatcher.

 

LightWeaver-Shai(Emporer’s soul) -Another no brainer.  Shai is a skilled artist (though I don't like how she uses her talent), is extremely good at lying to herself, and possesses an ability that is very similar to soulcasting.  A natural LightWeaver.

 

ElseCaller-Marasi(Mistborn Era 2) A couple of people would fit the order of ElseCallers, but it's tricky since we've only seen one so far.  But I think Marasi works.  She is someone that seeks to improve the world around her, but does so in an intellectual way, instead of through fighting.  Her explanation of the broken window theory in Alloy of Law shows she has a scholarly side to herself, and she seems to me to be similar to Jasnah.

 

WillShaper-Hammond(Mistborn) I struggled with WillShapers more than any other order.  In the end, I chose Hammond because he is a bit of an oddball, and the WillShapers are supposed to be a diverse group.  He ended up fighting for the freedom (WillShaper ideals) of the Skaa, despite initially agreeing out of a desire for riches. He is different from most Thugs due to his philosophical pondering, which is atypical to people with his powers.

 

StoneWard-Captain Goradel(Mistborn) StoneWards are said to have ideals related to being dependable, and Gorodel seems to fit that role well.  After Vin spares him, he seeks repeatedly to make himself useful, even in dire situations. From helping Skaa survive a cold winter during a siege to delivering a vital message when the world appeared to be ending.  He probably does so partly out of a feeling of debt to Vin, but still impressive.

 

What do you think?

Edited October 14, 2021 by Letryx13
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[mathiau he/him]

Brandon confirmed Vin could have speedrun the four first oaths when she ascended and there's a quote of Wax saying that at many times he "had been the law" so you're obviously right for at these two

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LightWeaver-Shai(Emporer’s soul) -Another no brainer.  Shai is a skilled artist (though I don't like how she uses her talent), is extremely good at lying to herself, and possesses an ability that is very similar to soulcasting.  A natural LightWeaver.

She could be but it's more likely she'd become an Edgedancer

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Questioner

What kind of Radiant do you think Shai would be?

Brandon Sanderson

That's a good question. I would go with Edgedancer. Listening is one of the things, but also the ability to get places where you're not supposed to be would be very up her alley. There is a argument for one with Lightweaving power. Shai a Lightweaver... does she lie to herself? No. She's very good at not lying to herself, which is part of it. I would go Edgedancer, followed by Lightweaver. We could make an argument that she, depending on situations, could end up in either order.

Which is not that uncommon, depending on the spren that you need.

Questioner

What would Kaladin's second Order be if he weren't a Windrunner?

Brandon Sanderson

I would have to think about that. I haven't considered it.

10 minutes ago, Letryx13 said:

ElseCaller-Marissee(Mistborn Era 2) A couple of people would fit the order of ElseCallers, but it's tricky since we've only seen one so far.  But I think Marissee works.  She is someone that seeks to improve the world around her, but does so in an intellectual way, instead of through fighting.  Her explanation of the broken window theory in Alloy of Law shows she has a scholarly side to herself, and she seems to me to be similar to Jasnah.

I suppose you meant Marasi?

The core of the Order of Elsecaller is not to improve the world around them, it's to improve themselves. I guess she'd work as an Elsecaller but she'd be more fitted to be a Truthwatcher

[Nesh he/him]

36 minutes ago, mathiau said:

Brandon confirmed Vin could have speedrun the four first oaths when she ascended

I've heard that, but can't find a source, do you have one?

[Letryx13]

25 minutes ago, mathiau said:

She could be but it's more likely she'd become an Edgedancer

I’m not very familiar with the WoB, but as good as she is at listening to and reading people, it’s just my impression that she feels waaay more like a LightWeaver. Plus her soul stamped personalities remind me of Shallan. I don’t want to argue with the word of the author, but I’m hard set on her being a LightWeaver. 

29 minutes ago, mathiau said:

I suppose you meant Marasi?

The core of the Order of Elsecaller is not to improve the world around them, it's to improve themselves. I guess she'd work as an Elsecaller but she'd be more fitted to be a Truthwatcher

I’m a bad speller. I considered her for a TruthWatcher as well, but the way she shows initiative feels like more of an ElseCaller mentaility. She joined the constabulary and tries to prove herself.  That feels more assertive than the TruthWatchers. 

[apepi]

There was a wob that Wayne would be an edgedancer, albeit a wierd one at that.

Edited October 14, 2021 by apepi

[NameIess]

3 minutes ago, apepi said:

There was a wob that Wayne would be an edgedancer, albeit a wierd one at that,

That makes sense. Wayne spends his life going around listening to people so that he can impersonate them, and shows genuine care for the common people. I really hope he and Lift meet sometime, they'd get along great.

[StanLemon]

Wax as a Skybreaker is very appropriate to me as well. In my mind he's pretty close to what a Skybreaker should be.

[Elegy he/him]

White Sand has some more Dustbringer style characters. Ais in particular, but also potentially Kenton.

[Letryx13]

11 hours ago, StanLemon said:

Wax as a Skybreaker is very appropriate to me as well. In my mind he's pretty close to what a Skybreaker should be.

That's what I think too. The other best way I see a SkyBreaker is someone who tries to change laws that they find inadequate.

[Letryx13]

On 10/14/2021 at 6:47 PM, Nameless said:

That makes sense. Wayne spends his life going around listening to people so that he can impersonate them, and shows genuine care for the common people. I really hope he and Lift meet sometime, they'd get along great.

That much a concentrated lack of logic in one place would be dangerous. Add Lopen to the mix and the fabric of the entire cosmere might be at risk. 

[mathiau he/him]

Just now, Letryx13 said:

That much a concentrated lack of logic in one place would be dangerous. Add Lopen to the mix and the fabric of the entire cosmere might be at risk. 

Please don't double post

[Letryx13]

8 hours ago, Elegy said:

White Sand has some more Dustbringer style characters. Ais in particular, but also potentially Kenton.

I haven't finished Arcanum unbounded, so I haven't read white sand yet, but I believe you.

[Frustration]

1 hour ago, Letryx13 said:

That's what I think too. The other best way I see a SkyBreaker is someone who tries to change laws that they find inadequate.

That be more of a Bondsmith/Edgedancer thing, not that it couldn't happen, but Skybreakers are more about following the law than changing it.

[Letryx13]

On 10/14/2021 at 6:43 PM, apepi said:

There was a wob that Wayne would be an edgedancer, albeit a wierd one at that.

I remember the scene in shadow of self where he manages to calm down the people in a pub by mixing drinks and passing them around.  That seems like a very EdgeDancer thing to do.

 

5 hours ago, Frustration said:

That be more of a Bondsmith/Edgedancer thing, not that it couldn't happen, but Skybreakers are more about following the law than changing it.

Probably, at least as SkyBreakers have been portrayed so far.  But it seems like SkyBreakers should be about amending laws, when needed, not only enforcing them. When Szeth was training with the SkyBreakers, especially when capturing escapees in the pure lake, he questioned some of their methods.  A change in those methods, for at least a few SkyBreakers, could be an interesting development, in my opinion.

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

But what about Human the Koloss? I think he’d be a stoneward since he’s always at Vin’s side and is there when he is needed.

[mathiau he/him]

8 hours ago, Frustration said:

That be more of a Bondsmith/Edgedancer thing, not that it couldn't happen, but Skybreakers are more about following the law than changing it.

Well any good law system has ways to evolve so that's you can do both at once.

Also I don't see why it'd be an Edgedancer thing

[Frustration]

3 hours ago, Letryx13 said:

Probably, at least as SkyBreakers have been portrayed so far.  But it seems like SkyBreakers should be about amending laws, when needed, not only enforcing them. When Szeth was training with the SkyBreakers, especially when capturing escapees in the pure lake, he questioned some of their methods.  A change in those methods, for at least a few SkyBreakers, could be an interesting development, in my opinion.

The third Oath is to swear oneself to a law or code, now nothing forbids this code from being changeable, but the Radiant themselves cannot change it.

The fourth Oath is to dedicate oneself to a task, nothing forbids that task from being to change a law, but nothing requires or even encourages it either.

The fifth Oath is to be the law, to live it so competely that the third oath is superseded., once again changing the law is not forbidden, but it isn't encouraged either.

28 minutes ago, mathiau said:

Also I don't see why it'd be an Edgedancer thing

I will remember those who are fogoten, who is more forgoten than the people at the bottom, the serf bound to the land he was born on, the slave subjected to the whims of another, kept there not by society, but by law.

I will listen to those who have been ignored, what better way to help them than to change the laws that ignore them

 

[Letryx13]

3 hours ago, Frustration said:

The third Oath is to swear oneself to a law or code, now nothing forbids this code from being changeable, but the Radiant themselves cannot change it.

The fourth Oath is to dedicate oneself to a task, nothing forbids that task from being to change a law, but nothing requires or even encourages it either.

The fifth Oath is to be the law, to live it so competely that the third oath is superseded., once again changing the law is not forbidden, but it isn't encouraged either.

I will remember those who are fogoten, who is more forgoten than the people at the bottom, the serf bound to the land he was born on, the slave subjected to the whims of another, kept there not by society, but by law.

I will listen to those who have been ignored, what better way to help them than to change the laws that ignore them

 

I was focused mostly on the fifth ideal in that interpretation of SkyBreakers. Everyone sees laws differently, so interpreting a law differently than others could inspire a SkyBreaker to change it to what they think it should be. But I can also see how that could be an EdgeDancer type approach. 

[Benkinsky they/them]

On 16.10.2021 at 7:33 PM, Letryx13 said:

SkyBreakers

 

On 16.10.2021 at 7:33 PM, Letryx13 said:

EdgeDancer

May I ask, why do you capitalise these words like that? Not trying to be mean, but it does put me off, so sorry if this comes across as mean. Why the capitalisation? Personally, I think the names of the orders are all super cool because they flow very smoothly. It's also never capitalised like this in the books. I might be reading too much into this, but I have to ask

[Fezzik]

5 minutes ago, Benkinsky said:

 

May I ask, why do you capitalise these words like that? Not trying to be mean, but it does put me off, so sorry if this comes across as mean. Why the capitalisation? Personally, I think the names of the orders are all super cool because they flow very smoothly. It's also never capitalised like this in the books. I might be reading too much into this, but I have to ask

Plenty of people listen to these books as audiobooks. Capitolizing both words in the compound name of the radiant orders seems perfectly reasonable.

[Benkinsky they/them]

19 minutes ago, Fezzik said:

audiobooks

yeah, that's what I assume I just find it interesting, I would've never thought of Capitalising it like that, but I also would never have thought of "Knights Radiant" or "Unbounded" as words/phrases, and it's all fantasy after all, so there's definitely a lot of room for interpretation

[Letryx13]

6 hours ago, Benkinsky said:

yeah, that's what I assume I just find it interesting, I would've never thought of Capitalising it like that, but I also would never have thought of "Knights Radiant" or "Unbounded" as words/phrases, and it's all fantasy after all, so there's definitely a lot of room for interpretation

I do prefer to listen to the stories as audio books. The readers do a fantastic job, and the way the do the oaths is incredible. But the reason I wrote them that way was to show a certain level of respect. I mean they are, in a way, divine or sacred warriors  

 

6 hours ago, Fezzik said:

Plenty of people listen to these books as audiobooks. Capitolizing both words in the compound name of the radiant orders seems perfectly reasonable.

Thank you. 

[Morningtide she/her]

Personally, I think that Kelsier would make a wonderful Willshaper. He seems like the type to seek freedom. He could also be a Lightweaver though... He has plenty of secrets. To me, he could never fit in the Skybreaker or Dustbringer orders.

[Letryx13]

On 10/23/2021 at 2:49 PM, Morningtide said:

Personally, I think that Kelsier would make a wonderful Willshaper. He seems like the type to seek freedom. He could also be a Lightweaver though... He has plenty of secrets. To me, he could never fit in the Skybreaker or Dustbringer orders.

That seems like a good fit. I hesitate to sort him, since I think he's changed a lot over the last three hundred years,but I would definitely peg him as a WillShaper, based on his personality and actions in the original trilogy. 

[Olmund]

I could see a Cultivation spren being attracted to Vasher, since he often finds himself looking out for people despite his hermit-like tendencies. He'd probably shoo it away and refuse to swear any oaths -- because he's Vasher.