i’m in the details Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 Just a random thought I have: would a mistborn, either due to perception or, by their nature regarding Scariel’s mist, draw a particular spren on Roshar? 1
LewsTherinTelescope Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 I'd guess probably not, since the mists aren't just actual mist but are gaseous Investiture. (Personally, I'm a fan of the theory that the reason the mists are attracted to Allomancers is that the bronzepulses are [probably, though question technically had wiggle room] to Preservation's tone.) 2
Bejarden he/him Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 Are higher spren drawn to anything And what do mistborns have to do with mist m mist on scadrial isn’t real mist right? It’s killing ppl
mathiau he/him Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bejardin1250 said: Are higher spren drawn to anything And what do mistborns have to do with mist m mist on scadrial isn’t real mist right? It’s killing ppl It stopped killing people centuries ago And yes it's not real mist, no more then Breaths are Edited February 23, 2021 by mathiau 2
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 13 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said: (Personally, I'm a fan of the theory that the reason the mists are attracted to Allomancers is that the bronzepulses are [probably, though question technically had wiggle room] to Preservation's tone.) ...Ohhhhhhh boy. Does that mean an Allomancer who can replicate that manually could breathe in the mists like Vin?? Also wouldn't that basically confirm that Ruin is the anti-investiture of Preservation, since Hemalurgy repels the Mists?
LewsTherinTelescope Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: Does that mean an Allomancer who can replicate that manually could breathe in the mists like Vin?? Not sure, breathing in the mists seems to be something else, since all Allomancers attract the mists a bit, but most can't breathe them, right? I think Pres probably did something specific with Vin to allow it. 15 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: Also wouldn't that basically confirm that Ruin is the anti-investiture of Preservation, since Hemalurgy repels the Mists? The fact Scadrial does not spontaneously combust makes me guess probably not.
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 Just now, LewsTherinTelescope said: Not sure, breathing in the mists seems to be something else, since all Allomancers attract the mists a bit, but most can't breathe them, right? I think Pres probably did something specific with Vin to allow it. Okay, that's fair. Just now, LewsTherinTelescope said: The fact Scadrial does not spontaneously combust makes me guess probably not. I mean... Ettmetal... Sorta does.
mathiau he/him Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: ...Ohhhhhhh boy. Does that mean an Allomancer who can replicate that manually could breathe in the mists like Vin?? Also wouldn't that basically confirm that Ruin is the anti-investiture of Preservation, since Hemalurgy repels the Mists? It would not, first because it makes no sense that the pattern of their Rhythms would be the same and second because there's no reason for Anti-Rhythms to be the only things that repel gaseous investiture, it'd make sense that "a link to the the Shard that killed/is killing my Vessel" would to Just now, Halyo_Alex said: Okay, that's fair. I mean... Ettmetal... Sorta does. Only in water, and Harmony's Mist doesn't
LewsTherinTelescope Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Halyo_Alex said: I mean... Ettmetal... Sorta does. When it undergoes a chemical reaction with water, yeah. I'd say the fact ettmetal is even capable of existing for a decent amount of time indicates they're probably not anti-Investitures, in my opinion. But our knowledge of this stuff is pretty limited, so I could be wrong and there's a way to keep Investiture and its anti together after all.
mathiau he/him Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, LewsTherinTelescope said: When it undergoes a chemical reaction with water, yeah. I'd say the fact ettmetal is even capable of existing for a decent amount of time indicates they're probably not anti-Investitures, in my opinion. But our knowledge of this stuff is pretty limited, so I could be wrong and there's a way to keep Investiture and its anti together after all. To be fair anti-investiture react weirdly with Godmetals, and by weirdly I mean "apparently not at all"
Bejarden he/him Posted February 23, 2021 Posted February 23, 2021 10 hours ago, mathiau said: It stopped killing people centuries ago And yes it's not real mist, no more then Breaths are My point was it’s not normal As you have said
basement_boi he/him Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Halyo_Alex said: Also wouldn't that basically confirm that Ruin is the anti-investiture of Preservation, since Hemalurgy repels the Mists? The mists are repelled by Hemalurgy because the 2 Shards are in conflict. There are some holes in this, with Warlight and stuff, but I think it’s pretty solid. As far as mistspren, I think not, just because you don’t really draw mistspren, because they’re sentient. They are attracted to certain qualities, not mist. Edited February 24, 2021 by basement_boi
Bejarden he/him Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, basement_boi said: The mists are repelled by Hemalurgy because the 2 Shards are in conflict. There are some holes in this, with Warlight and stuff, but I think it’s pretty solid. As far as mistspren, I think not, just because you don’t really draw mistspren, because they’re sentient. They are attracted to certain qualities, not mist. Isn’t it because hemalurgy is the exact opposite of preservation mists not explicitly because their in conflict
Honorless he/him Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 Oo, solid Anti-Investiture sounds really intriguing Personally, I think Preservation and Ruin's Rhythm's are close to one another's Anti-Rhythms. Stormlight and Voidlight just don't interact with one another, Preservation and Ruin's Investiture were repelled by one another. Preservation and Ruin's Investiture do actually hurt one another, enough to be capable of killing the Vessels. . 1
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 11 hours ago, Honorless said: Stormlight and Voidlight just don't interact with one another, Preservation and Ruin's Investiture were repelled by one another. Preservation and Ruin's Investiture do actually hurt one another, enough to be capable of killing the Vessels. . This stuff is what makes me suspect that they may be Anti-tones/rhythms of each other. It might be that they're just barely not perfectly oppositely out of phase with each other, which is why Ettmetal can exist but it's unstable. Might this be why the byproduct of water-Ettmetal reactions has a "cosmere-wide" significance?
StanLemon Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 19 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said: Isn’t it because hemalurgy is the exact opposite of preservation mists not explicitly because their in conflict The Intents were in conflict but as is pointed out in Hero of Ages and Secret History, they are able to interact quite nicely when they are wielded with a singular mind. Sazed even implies in Rhythms of War that he just isn't ideal at embodying both Intents. Another implication that they aren't truly opposite is that in Era 2 the Mists don't pull away from Hemalurgy
mathiau he/him Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, StanLemon said: Another implication that they aren't truly opposite is that in Era 2 the Mists don't pull away from Hemalurgy Now they're Harmony's Mist and no longer Preservation's Mists so they're supposed to act differently 1
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, mathiau said: Now they're Harmony's Mist and no longer Preservation's Mists so they're supposed to act differently Or it could also be Ruin's "part" of the Mists that doesn't pull away from hemalurgy.
Bejarden he/him Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 4 hours ago, StanLemon said: Another implication that they aren't truly opposite is that in Era 2 the Mists don't pull away from Hemalurgy Brandon said this in 2010 don’t know if it still stands Are Shards all paired? Does Endowment have a counterpart? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) RAFO. Also, yes and no. Not all Shards have perfect counterparts like Ruin and Preservation. Questioner (paraphrased) Why were Ruin and Preservation linked together? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Because they're such perfect opposites. Basically it's just an opposites attract thing.
StanLemon Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said: Brandon said this in 2010 don’t know if it still stands Are Shards all paired? Does Endowment have a counterpart? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) RAFO. Also, yes and no. Not all Shards have perfect counterparts like Ruin and Preservation. Questioner (paraphrased) Why were Ruin and Preservation linked together? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Because they're such perfect opposites. Basically it's just an opposites attract thing. I'm aware of this WoB. Context is important in this regard. In this quote he's clearly referring to Intent. Whereas the conversation on this thread had to do with the nature of their Investiture. One could argue that that is just semantics but I'd argue otherwise. The Mists reacted to Hemalurgy a lot more like Stormlight trying to avoid Voidlight than how we saw a sphere of Anti-Voidlight freely take in Voidlight. In fact all interactions of Ruin and Preservation's Investiture we saw before Sazed took them up required forcefully making them interact. For example Vin and Kelsier had to forcefully push against Ruin to the point of breaking and neither Shard was damaged by it, only the Vessels. From what we've seen of Light and Anti-Light, they freely interact and destroy each other
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