Chasmgoat he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Halyo_Alex said: Did you forget to make the 16 factorial with the "!"? Ack! I did forget. Yeah, it comes out to infinity...
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Chasmgoat said: Ack! I did forget. Yeah, it comes out to infinity... Don't worry, I found the number and added it as an edit to my reply.
Enter a username Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 I've increased the total from five hundred something to, shall we say, quite a bit. Spoiler 12 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: 1.8 × 106298387349264 ALMIGHTY AND HARMONY HOW STORMING BIG IS THAT
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Enter a username said: I've increased the total from five hundred something to, shall we say, quite a bit. Hide contents I looked it up, the total number of "particles in the entire observable universe" is about 3.28 x 1080 Chump change.
mathiau he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Enter a username said: Here's my count for burnable metals: 2^(16!)*17 16!: All godmetals' potential to be alloyed with other godmetals 2^16!: Factoring in whether the godmetals were alloyed or the Shards were *17: One for pure godmetal alloys, the others for alloys with the basic 16 metals I'd say how much it came out to, but I just got "undefined." (I'd guess this means overflow error.) And I don't even know how to factor in alloys of multi-Shard godmetals. Techincally 2^(16!)*17+16 since you didn't count the pure 16, but at this point it doesn't matter 13 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: Google calculator returns "Infinity" specifically. It's because it's higher than the biggest number the google calculator can use I asked Python to calculate it, my available RAM (about 6GB) was not enough for the 2^() part of the calculation 8 minutes ago, Chasmgoat said: I did this on a higher end online calculator and got 1114112 metals... that's a lot That's about 2^20, did you forget the factorial? 4 minutes ago, Retrac said: With the "!" it gives us an undefined error. It's because your calculator doesn't call the factorial '!' 2 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: I looked it up, the total number of "particles in the entire observable universe" is about 3.28 x 1080 Chump change. And the number of second since the Big Bang is about 4,33 x 1017 1
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: Allomancy is now a soft magic system "I'm a Bavadinium-Atium-Tanavastium-Tin Misting" "What's that do?" "Beats me" 7
Retrac he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: "I'm a Bavadinium-Atium-Tanavastium-Tin Misting" "What's that do?" "Beats me" If you read this with a dark tone or thought then it makes it sound really bad. lol.
Frustration Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: "I'm a Bavadinium-Atium-Tanavastium-Tin Misting" "What's that do?" "Beats me" Wonder what the specific metal for shooting fireballs is.
mathiau he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Frustration said: Wonder what the specific metal for shooting fireballs is. Probably something with Brass in it
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Retrac said: If you read this with a dark tone or thought then it makes it sound really bad. lol. Misting name (like Coppercloud) : "Masochist"
Frustration Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mathiau said: Probably something with Brass in it Harmonium+brass+steel+Edgilium+Raysium? Edit: just thought of something, Brandon has not said what happens when you alloy Lerasium with non-allomantic metals Edited February 25, 2021 by Frustration
Retrac he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Frustration said: Harmonium+brass+steel+Edgilium+Raysium? Edit: just thought of something, Brandon has not said what happens when you alloy Lerasium with non-allomantic metals Has he said anything about what happens if you alloy Lerasium with Aluminum?
Frustration Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Retrac said: Has he said anything about what happens if you alloy Lerasium with Aluminum? It would probably make you a gnat, but he has not been asked specifically 1
mathiau he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Frustration said: Harmonium+brass+steel+Edgilium+Raysium. Going beyond the limit I see^^ 38 minutes ago, Enter a username said: 16!: All godmetals' potential to be alloyed with other godmetals I didn't pic this one up the first time but shouldn't this one be 2^16 instead of 16! (2^16=number of way to chose any number of distinct elements (even 0) of a set if 16 if the order doesn't matter)? In the end I end up with 2^(2^16)*17-1 (-1 because otherwise I'm counting the pure Godmetal of {no Shard}) That's about 3,41x 1019729 so still insane Just now, Frustration said: It would probably make you a gnat, but he has not been asked specifically Lerasium has other effects than giving Mistborn powers, whether it's alloys do too is RAFO
Frustration Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 1 minute ago, mathiau said: Going beyond the limit I see^^ Heh, woops 1 minute ago, mathiau said: Lerasium has other effects than giving Mistborn powers, whether it's alloys do too is RAFO You can alloy it to become a misting.
dannnex male Posted February 25, 2021 Author Posted February 25, 2021 There’s another factor I just thought of. Paired Shard’s Godmetals. Harmonium isn’t an alloy of Atium and Lerasium. (But Atium and Lerasium can be obtained from it somehow.) So every single possible pair of shards would have their own metal. And then it makes sense that if we can have a double shard, why couldn’t we have a triple shard? Or a quadruple shard? So every single possible combination of shards, from pairs up to groupings of 15, would have their own Godmetal. (I assume a grouping of all 16 shards would just be Adonalsium.) And then every metal resulting from that could be alloyed with every other godmetal. So, for example, we could have a combined shard composed of Ambition+Odium+Devotion, and then have the resulting Godmetal alloyed with a Godmetal from a combined shard composed of Cultivation+Honor+Ruin+Dominion+Autonomy. I don’t even know how to calculate how many of these there would be. 1
Kingsdaughter613 she/her Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: "I'm a Bavadinium-Atium-Tanavastium-Tin Misting" "What's that do?" “It’s undefinable.” Much better last line, all things considered. And it can’t be misinterpreted quite the same way... 2
mathiau he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Frustration said: You can alloy it to become a misting Yes but may have an other possible effect, like Lerasium does 3 minutes ago, Dannex said: I don’t even know how to calculate how many of these there would be Number of potential multiple Shard Godmetals (assuming Harmony and Discord both have the same) 2^16-1 (2^16=number of way to chose any number of things from a set of 16, the -1 is to avoid counting the "I chose 0 element from a set of 16") Number of Alloys of these Godmetals 2^(2^16-1)-1 (same reason) Which mean I was wrong with my previous calculation, the maximum number of metal is (2^(2^16-1)-1)*17+16=2^(2^16-1)*17-1 which is about half of my previous estimation (now I'm at 1,70x 1019729) 1
Frustration Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, mathiau said: Yes but may have an other possible effect, like Lerasium does Number of potential multiple Shard Godmetals (assuming Harmony and Discord both have the same) 2^16-1 (2^16=number of way to chose any number of things from a set of 16, the -1 is to avoid counting the "I chose 0 element from a set of 16") Number of Alloys of these Godmetals 2^(2^16-1)-1 (same reason) Which mean I was wrong with my previous calculation, the maximum number of metal is (2^(2^16-1)-1)*17+16=2^(2^16-1)*17-1 which is about half of my previous estimation (now I'm at 1,70x 1019729) Well Atium+Lerasium isn't Harmonium, so Hramonium+Skaisium is different from A+L+S, which would be different again if Harmon took up Dominion. I have no idea how to even begin calculating that
dannnex male Posted February 25, 2021 Author Posted February 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, mathiau said: Number of potential multiple Shard Godmetals (assuming Harmony and Discord both have the same) 2^16-1 (2^16=number of way to chose any number of things from a set of 16, the -1 is to avoid counting the "I chose 0 element from a set of 16") Does that include triple/quadruple/15ple groupings and all that? And does it exclude impossible duplicated shard groupings? (Like a “Preservation-Ambition-Ambition” Shard)
Aspiring Writer Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 You... You guys did what storming game theory does. (Also, pls send these numbers to BS, I would like to see his mind blow up.) 1
Bejarden he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 So what’s the final number? 3946456273736362783626728372 That’s my guess
dannnex male Posted February 25, 2021 Author Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Aspiring Writer said: You... You guys did what storming game theory does. Move over matpat, the cosmere theorists are coming for your brand. 1
The Technovore he/him Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) I wonder of the implications of this could mean that actually everyone on Scadrial is some sort of allomancer or feruchemist, it's just that the vast majority of them are Mistings/Ferrings for unobtainable/nonexistent metals. Some of them would be snapped, some of them wouldn't, but due to the fact that a Bavadinium-Atium-Tanavastium-Tin Misting is basically never going to encounter that alloy, it doesn't make a difference. The few "Metalborn" on Scadrial are just the ones lucky enough to be aligned to existing metals. (Likely not, due to a bunch of factors, but still a funny thought) Edited February 25, 2021 by The Technovore 3
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