Master Silver Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: I will mention that Nale is not able to access the same level of Stormlight with his honorblade like he used to now that honor is dead, so he is little more than a slightly more powerful skybreaker. Not really a match for TLR. Edit: also if the heralds get to bond with another spren, then so does TLR. I will allow Nale as he has bonded a spren, but any hypotheticals will be met will equal hypotheticals. Lol well played. And I didn't realize that the Heralds had a huge drop off in power after Honor's death. I though the blades were how Honor directly powered them.
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, Master Silver said: Lol well played. And I didn't realize that the Heralds had a huge drop off in power after Honor's death. I though the blades were how Honor directly powered them. It was, but then honor died and so the blades don't quite have the same power they used to for them. And I would love seeing TLR the skybreaker, which BS confirmed was the most likely.
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: Base fabrial soulcaster can push through the invesititure of a full gold metal metal Wait, it never says base fabrials soulcasters, it just says soulcasters.
Frustration Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Wait, it never says base fabrials soulcasters, it just says soulcasters. Average soulcasters, there are what 6 human soulcastors as of RoW which was after that WoB so 2 at that time, Fabrial soulcastors are far more common.
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ookla The Frustrated said: Average soulcasters, there are what 6 human soulcastors as of RoW which was after that WoB so 2 at that time, Fabrial soulcastors are far more common. Yes, but he doesn't specify. He could have meant radiant soulcasters. I don't believe they use different titles. Edited December 18, 2020 by Aspiring Writer
Frustration Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Yes, but he doesn't specify. He could have meant radiant soulcasters. I don't believe they use different titles. Not really no, doesn't change anything for me either way.
Pathfinder Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Yes, but he doesn't specify. He could have meant radiant soulcasters. I don't believe they use different titles. I highly doubt he is referring to Radiants in this manner considering Jasnah and Shallan are the only radiant soulcasters currently on Roshar as of the WoB, while he refers to them as if there are multiple. As in average across Roshar. Just hop by your local soulcaster. Secondly it still does not change the other points made. Edited December 18, 2020 by Pathfinder
Karger he/him Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: I highly doubt he is referring to Radiants in this manner considering Jasnah is the only radiant soulcaster currently on Roshar Aren't the majority of the unsean court at least slightly proficient at soulcasting? EDIT sorry I just got the context. However average soulcasters are savants and more importantly in my mind he did not say they could do this in a combat situation. I imagine with effort under laboratory conditions things tend to be a bit easier. 3 hours ago, Pathfinder said: 1. At the same time - The Lord Ruler activates Speed - Battar activates Transportation We tend to disagree a lot on this. I am working on transportation and would like to pull Dalinar's trick with Oathbringer. Edited December 18, 2020 by Karger 1
Pathfinder Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Karger said: Aren't the majority of the unsean court at least slightly proficient at soulcasting? The WoB is from 2016. That was prior to Oathbringer being published. So no unseen court
NameIess Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 15 hours ago, Ookla The Frustrated said: I don't think so, because otherwise like Atium running out, the second the vision ends Renarin's future would once again become visible.. Atium only allows you to have a very limited vision of the immediate future. Renarin's visions are much more complex. 1
BenduLuke he/him Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 I am intrigued to see several people add anti-light to the discussion. It seems to me that a Bronze Twin compounding savant with their ability to differentiate pulses could develop antilight weapon arsenals for use in any confrontation and they could work around the clock to do so because they have virtually no need to sleep. Given time and resouces they could be the most dangerous opponent to any invested person in the cosmere. They could become the Batman-Ironman of the Cosmere.
NameIess Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: I am intrigued to see several people add anti-light to the discussion. It seems to me that a Bronze Twin compounding savant with their ability to differentiate pulses could develop antilight weapon arsenals for use in any confrontation and they could work around the clock to do so because they have virtually no need to sleep. Given time and resouces they could be the most dangerous opponent to any invested person in the cosmere. They could become the Batman-Ironman of the Cosmere. That would work, but only until someone invents the anti-investiture sonic blast cannon, with a setting for every type of investiture in the Cosmere. 1
Karger he/him Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, Ookla the Unnamable said: That would work, but only until someone invents the anti-investiture sonic blast cannon, with a setting for every type of investiture in the Cosmere. In a slightly more immediate setting unless a radiant summons a blade good luck hitting the spren with your antilight while fighting.
StanLemon Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 TLR wins. Rips off the head before his enemy can even think. Besides, we don't know anything about what the Heralds were actually able to do. Any argument beyond the limits we have seen of Surges power and combat capabilities are nothing but pure conjecture. A Herald might, and that is a very big might, be able to Soulcast his Metalminds but that would first require them to even know that he gets his power from them, and they wouldn't be able to Soulcast him as RoW showed us that Slivers have enough innate Investure to freaking sate Nightblood. Steelrunning is faster than anything else we've seen, especially at Compounded levels as Marasi was able to move fast enough to leave vacuums. There is very little that can defend against that. As a side note: Brandon says a lot of things are technically possible but he has elaborated on just because he says something is possible in a WoB doesn't mean it is feasible. 1
NameIess Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Karger said: In a slightly more immediate setting unless a radiant summons a blade good luck hitting the spren with your antilight while fighting. Then the sonic cannon blasts the stormlight out of them and rips their bond to shreds. I don't know whether to hope it works like that or doesn't work like that. Edited December 18, 2020 by Ookla the Unnamable
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, StanLemon said: Slivers have enough innate Investure to freaking sate Nightblood Slight correction, Shard vessels will sate him. Slivers are a bit different. Nightblood might still pose a threat to TLR.
StanLemon Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, Aspiring Writer said: Slight correction, Shard vessels will sate him. Slivers are a bit different. Nightblood might still pose a threat to TLR. Good point, though I would still argue that because they have enough Investure to not be pulled to the Beyond that they are probably not Soulcastable. I do very much agree that Nightblood would be a threat to TLR (assuming the wielder could actually hit him) especially after what happened in RoW.
BenduLuke he/him Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Karger said: In a slightly more immediate setting unless a radiant summons a blade good luck hitting the spren with your antilight while fighting. You do know that the right anti-light kills spren even those that become shardblades? 4 minutes ago, Ookla the Unnamable said: Then the sonic cannon blasts the stormlight out of them and rips their bond to shreds. I don't know whether to hope it works like that or doesn't work like that. It would be the Bronze twin that invented the sonic cannon as part of his arsenal.
Master Silver Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, StanLemon said: TLR wins. Rips off the head before his enemy can even think. Besides, we don't know anything about what the Heralds were actually able to do. Any argument beyond the limits we have seen of Surges power and combat capabilities are nothing but pure conjecture. A Herald might, and that is a very big might, be able to Soulcast his Metalminds but that would first require them to even know that he gets his power from them, and they wouldn't be able to Soulcast him as RoW showed us that Slivers have enough innate Investure to freaking sate Nightblood. Steelrunning is faster than anything else we've seen, especially at Compounded levels as Marasi was able to move fast enough to leave vacuums. There is very little that can defend against that. As a side note: Brandon says a lot of things are technically possible but he has elaborated on just because he says something is possible in a WoB doesn't mean it is feasible. I am unsure on this, but in RoW (CH 111) Dalinar is traveling like 200 mph, and that may be on a single lashing. So Skybreakers and Windrunners may be able to get up to 600-800 mph.
NameIess Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, BenduLuke said: You do know that the right anti-light kills spren even those that become shardblades? No, we don't know that. 1 minute ago, BenduLuke said: It would be the Bronze twin that invented the sonic cannon as part of his arsenal. Either him or a zinc compounder with tenth heightening living in Silverlight.
Aspiring Writer Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, Master Silver said: I am unsure on this, but in RoW (CH 111) Dalinar is traveling like 200 mph, and that may be on a single lashing. So Skybreakers and Windrunners may be able to get up to 600-800 mph. They may be bale to get to those high speeds, but they have far less control than TLR does, who will see everything slowing down, giving him an advantage. 2 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: You do know that the right anti-light kills spren even those that become shardblades? How do you know this? 4 minutes ago, StanLemon said: Good point, though I would still argue that because they have enough Investure to not be pulled to the Beyond that they are probably not Soulcastable. I do very much agree that Nightblood would be a threat to TLR (assuming the wielder could actually hit him) especially after what happened in RoW. Yeah, probably. 36 minutes ago, Karger said: However average soulcasters are savants and more importantly in my mind he did not say they could do this in a combat situation. I imagine with effort under laboratory conditions things tend to be a bit easier. YES. Thank you.
BenduLuke he/him Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Unnamable said: No, we don't know that. Either him or a zinc compounder with tenth heightening living in Silverlight. Yeah Moash killed Teft's Spren with anti-stormlight.
NameIess Posted December 18, 2020 Author Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, BenduLuke said: Yeah Moash killed Teft's Spren with anti-stormlight. Teft's spren was not a Shardblade at the time.
BenduLuke he/him Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Ookla the Unnamable said: Teft's spren was not a Shardblade at the time. I didn't say his spren was a blade at the time, but it could be presumed that what affects a Spren affects the blade made up of that Spren.
Master Silver Posted December 18, 2020 Posted December 18, 2020 1 minute ago, BenduLuke said: Yeah Moash killed Teft's Spren with anti-stormlight. But the spren was in her spren form. From my reading on RoW it would take something as heavily invested as Nightblood to kill a Radiant spren in blade form. Radiant Spren seem to be more invested than shardplate which is why they can crack and break shardplate. But even then, that doesn't kill the spren that forms the plate. only disrupts them, making it so they need stormlight to reform. The hardness of a radiant/shard blade, makes it unlikely that a blade with a anti-light in a gemstone would do the trick. You would have to either make the anti-light into a solid state or return the Radiant spren into their gaseous/light state
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