Long Game 43: Under the Banner of Adonalsium

[DeTess she/her]

6 minutes ago, Arinian said:

I doubt that they would attack you for this they should to cooperate but they not one person and can't be sure that if one of them will attack you other will do it. So I don't think that you should be so nervous about double tap from both of them, but scenario that I proposed in previous post is much more probable.

Actually, neither of them have to double tap him, as both of them can by-pass shardic protection with their kill.

[Straw he/him]

10 hours ago, randuir said:

Straw 

Seems to be doing Straw things, which somehow always make me suspicious. Maybe this game that suspicion will be right for a change.

@randuir What are Straw things, and why do you find them suspicious?

[Arinian]

1 minute ago, randuir said:

Actually, neither of them have to double tap him, as both of them can by-pass shardic protection with their kill.

He is Survival, he has EXTRA life from his investment ability.

3 minutes ago, MonsterMetroid said:

Speaking of EVIL do you have any comment on my allegations yesterday?

Sorry but I don't know about what you talking, you can wait till I will check previous turn again or you can just quote to me "your allegations".

Edited March 19, 2018 by Arinian

[DeTess she/her]

Just now, Straw said:

@randuir What are Straw things, and why do you find them suspicious?

For example:

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I’m getting a strong Elim read from Pyromancer. I am reluctant to lynch a new player, but he seems rather suspicious.

No explanation for the vote apart from you apparently finding him suspicious somehow. I'm certain you not explaining a vote has resulted in me listing you as suspicious before. I'm also fairly certain I've helped lynch you for that reason before. I am certain that you flipped village just about every time I helped lynch you, so I know that I shouldn't be putting too much stock in my suspicion of you based on things like this.

2 minutes ago, Arinian said:

He is Survival, he has EXTRA life from his investment ability.

Right, I forgot about that one. Thanks for reminding me.

[Straw he/him]

Reasons for my vote on Pyromancer:

-I thought he wasn’t exactly acting like a villager, which turned out to be correct, but in a different way than I thought.

-He seemed to have a lot of fluff posts, which is a good strategy for an Eliminator.

Additionally, despite the fact that Pyromancer has Survival, he seems to be more inclined towards helping Hoid/Khriss/Shards rather than helping the village.

@TheYoungPyromancer, would you mind telling everyone your win condition?

Edited March 19, 2018 by Straw

[MonsterMetroid]

2 minutes ago, Straw said:

@TheYoungPyromancer, would you mind telling everyone your win condition?

He told us it was to remain alive with the shard in his possession at the end of the game.

@ArinianI guess I will just wait for your reread then. Does that mean you never got the notification that I put in the post I voted for you then?

Edited March 19, 2018 by MonsterMetroid

[Arinian]

17 minutes ago, MonsterMetroid said:

Speaking of EVIL do you have any comment on my allegations yesterday?

You about statement that I'm more reserved? Well, that's absolutely wrong, right now it's exactly normal behavior for me, I even would say that I acting more openly than usual.

If you interested why I was against lynch that's pretty simple, because I just didn't want someone to die so early in this beautiful game, also in my mind for elims better strategy in this game it's to keep conversions at least for a bit and hunting 2 elims with our number of players it's not very productive(yes someone will not agree with me, just look point one if you don't agree with me). But I already said both this things on previous turn don't know what else you expected to hear from me.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Monstermetroid is correct.  I can lose the Shard and regain it, it can be shattered, but as long as I have either Survival or shattered!Survival and am alive, I win.

Actually, Monster, you can give someone else your charges of investiture...

Note: I can steal charges of investiture, but I do not have a chance of getting the shard if it is released.

Edited March 19, 2018 by TheYoungPyromancer

[Megasif he/him]

I will forever be playing catchup this game.

I like how Pyro is going about this. He's willing to help whoever he can (and whatever suits him at the time) but he's being open with his thoughts so far. He gets points for that.

Also I hope people mentioning 'El is playing aggressive' doesn't become an obstacle for El. (I know it's been said in good humour but...) I think it's totally fine and I don't want there to be any reservations due to this. They're moving the game forward, digging into people's thought processes. Trying to separate useful conversations from unnecessary fluff and keeping the discussion on track. Village lean.

Monster is just a villager and I think that's coming across to me and hopefully others as well. Also contributing to discussion.

Arin, I think the elims would try to get the first conversion ASAP and then maybe wait out a turn or something for the second. Being alone is quite risky and is endangering the entire team. Village lean btw due to tone. For now.

 

Any ideas on the criteria elims might be using be to choose converts?

 

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Thanks Megasif.  I will help whomever I feel deserves it.  I think the elims will go for people who they are pretty sure don't have shards, like steeldancer, or people who are probably village, such as Orlock/5th Scholar.

[Magestar he/him]

I'm visiting colleges and don't have a lot of time to post.

That being said, I'm a little unsure how to feel about Pyro.

I know I'm not happy that we didn't have a lynch.

I'm not sure about Fifth being cleared.

And I'm worried about conversions.

And that's all I've got right now.  I'll probably have time to post properly next cycle.

[MonsterMetroid]

7 minutes ago, Megasif said:

Any ideas on the criteria elims might be using be to choose converts?

I was thinking they would target people with strong village leans or people they find out have lots of PM networks.

[Arinian]

3 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said:

Thanks Megasif.  I will help whomever I feel deserves it.  I think the elims will go for people who they are pretty sure don't have shards, like steeldancer, or people who are probably village, such as Orlock/5th Scholar.

Well I doubt that conversion will be wasted if they will target someone unconvertible(At least it was so in previous game, but probably better to ask Seonid). Probably they even can use it as some kind of scan ability. 

[Megasif he/him]

9 minutes ago, Magestar said:

I'm visiting colleges and don't have a lot of time to post.

That being said, I'm a little unsure how to feel about Pyro.

I know I'm not happy that we didn't have a lynch.

I'm not sure about Fifth being cleared.

And I'm worried about conversions.

And that's all I've got right now.  I'll probably have time to post properly next cycle.

Even if fifth actually was cleared, the conversions renders that particular read useless somewhat.

[Sart he/him]

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Autonomy:

Shardic Ability - During the Day Turn, you may use an action to have one of your aspects vote on any player. During the Night Turn, you may use an action to have one of your aspects which did not vote on a player roleblock a player on the same world as they are. Either ability may be used as many times as the Vessel has available actions, but each aspect may only be used once per Cycle.

 

Investment Action - The Vessel of Autonomy cannot invest in another player. Instead, they may use their action during the Day Turn to target the Shardworld you are currently on. You create a uniquely-named aspect of yourself that is invested in that Shardworld. Each Shardworld can only have one aspect of yourself invested in it, and you cannot invest an aspect into a Shardworld that has a Shard already invested in it.

Since Autonomy has invested in Nalthis, that means the Vessel of Autonomy is on Nalthis. Is anyone else besides Autonomy on Nalthis? They are probably still a villager at this point, but it would be helpful to know if they get corrupted who is holding the Shard. It's something we should keep in mind at least, if we ever decide to go for the Sudden Death Win Condition.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

Ooh, that’s a nice catch, Sart. I think it’s somewhat interesting that Autonomy worldhopped to Nalthis, of all places. (That’s the vote doubling one.) Perhaps they were concerned about being lynched?

I’d still like an explanation from those who voted no lynch.

Elbereth, that post is good, but the point stands that we can’t analyze any of the reactions D1 without solid information, the kind only obtainable D1 via a lynch. And our lynch was stopped. Which I’m still annoyed about.

[Straw he/him]

It looks like Autonomy might be looking for control over voting, which it could definitely achieve if it makes a few aspects.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

10 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

Ooh, that’s a nice catch, Sart. I think it’s somewhat interesting that Autonomy worldhopped to Nalthis, of all places. (That’s the vote doubling one.) Perhaps they were concerned about being lynched?

I’d still like an explanation from those who voted no lynch.

Elbereth, that post is good, but the point stands that we can’t analyze any of the reactions D1 without solid information, the kind only obtainable D1 via a lynch. And our lynch was stopped. Which I’m still annoyed about.

I maintain, Fifth, that we wouldn’t have got any more information from continuing to lynch you than that which we obtained. By changing it, we found Survival, and saw who people would vote for under pressure at the end of the cycle. I think that gives us plenty to analyse.

[Steeldancer he/him]

Steel stared at the man- Eobard- in shock. 
"You want me to awaken lightning," Steel said incredulously. "I'm not even sure that's possible."
Eobard chuckled. "Normally, it isn't. After all, you have to catch it first."
"Then why don't you go get it yourself?" Steel asked, trying to find a way out of this. 
"Sadly, I'm not connected enough to this universe. I don't have enough of a spirit-web to hold breath. Trust me, I've tried. The breath just refuses to pass to me, or any other investiture, as fascinating as it is. However, I'm sick of that. If the lightning Awakens, the Speed Force- which does exist to a degree here- will properly awaken, and will allow my Spiritual Aspect to come in greater harmony with this universe. Only you are fast enough to catch lightning, so I need you. If you won't, I've already discovered where your sister lives."
Steel was instantly incensed. "If you so much as TOUCH my sister, I will-"
Eobard waved his hands. "I won't need to even see her if you just go to Nalthis and meet with these three people. They should have collected enough breath by now, and they will pass it to you. Then, all you have to do is find a storm, and awaken the lightning. Simple enough. Then I'll leave you alone." Eobard proffered a piece of paper with three names and addresses on it. Steel hesitated. 
"Oh, and you have 5 days. You better get moving. You have all that Cognitive ground to cover..." Eobard laughed as Steel jumped onto the next peak over- Cultivation's perpendicularity. Time to find another spren ship to the edge of Roshar, and then run to Nalthis, and the perpendicularity of Endowment. Fantastic. 

Phyl vined her way up next to him, as he sat on a ship of Lightspren. 
"That man was scary," she said. 

"Indeed. What really scares me is what else his plan might do. It sounds simple enough, but I have this gut feeling that if I do as he says, things will go catastrophically wrong..." Steel looked out on the sea of beads, storing speed, preparing for an exciting couple of days ahead of him. He already knew he would need his speed. Best to prepare now. 

[Elbereth she/her]

2 hours ago, Arinian said:

El looks really agressive this game, are we sure that she isn't possessed by some evil power? 

If I were, wouldn't I be less aggressive?  

1 hour ago, Megasif said:

Also I hope people mentioning 'El is playing aggressive' doesn't become an obstacle for El. (I know it's been said in good humour but...) I think it's totally fine and I don't want there to be any reservations due to this. They're moving the game forward, digging into people's thought processes. Trying to separate useful conversations from unnecessary fluff and keeping the discussion on track. Village lean.

Don't worry. I have absolutely no intention of stopping.  I'm enjoying this, and am creating useful discussion through it. If anyone tries to lynch me over being more aggressive, I am more than happy to defend myself, but I don't think anyone has - only  pointed it out. 

Regarding who they'd convert, I don't think there's too much value in looking at that, though there is some. On a basic level, a converter would ideally want: someone they have good synergy with, someone who they consider a good player, someone who shares the same timezone, someone everyone thinks is village, but most of all someone who other people won't suspect of being converted. 

That last one is what makes it into an IKYK, and not really useful. We can make some guesses - they're unlikely to convert a complete inactive, though I'm not sure if we even have any of those this game - but beyond that, their imperative is to make sure we can't guess who they'd convert. We can keep a closer watch on the players who are better targets for conversion, but given they're basically the definition of high profile players that was going to happen anyway. 
 

And agreed with Orlok that we got more information out of the discussion than we would've with your lynch, Fifth. What would have changed with your death except eliminating the 2% chance you were evil at the time? The end of the cycle was definitely worth that 2%, in my opinion. 

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

1 hour ago, Arinian said:

Well I doubt that conversion will be wasted if they will target someone unconvertible(At least it was so in previous game, but probably better to ask Seonid). Probably they even can use it as some kind of scan ability. 

I asked Seonid this before and he said it is not wasted.

 

59 minutes ago, Straw said:

It looks like Autonomy might be looking for control over voting, which it could definitely achieve if it makes a few aspects.

If so, we should release Devotion as a counter-strategy.

Also, Ruin please blow up Silverlight, and Odium, please don't attack me / shatter Cultivation

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

I think people are misconstruing what I’m saying. I’m not saying the village should have lynched me with 4 hours to go last night, which would have indeed stifled discussion, but I am disappointed that said discussion did not end with a lynch to cap it off (whether a lynch on me or HH), which would have allowed the village to obtain information along with the discussion. In addition, I am saddened that we lost a lynch to a handful of people who voted no-lynch last cycle, none of whom, I believe, have explained their reasoning behind doing so. But I did look at Kas’s post, and that is good reasoning.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

My internet turned off, and I thought that voting no-lynch was the best way to survive at the time.  Also, I'm neutral.  I don't have to do what is good for the village!

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

9 minutes ago, TheYoungPyromancer said:

My internet turned off, and I thought that voting no-lynch was the best way to survive at the time.  Also, I'm neutral.  I don't have to do what is good for the village!

Just saying, stating something like this is a great way to get the village to lynch you . Just so you’re aware.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

I have already stated I am Survival.