Long Game 43: Under the Banner of Adonalsium

[Magestar he/him]

1 minute ago, Fifth Scholar said:

Were I truly Odium, would I really talk about it so much, thereby drawing attention to myself for it?

Oddly, I'm suspicious of both 5th and Pyro.  I'm unsure why 5th is so fascinated with Odium, and Pyro is just all over the place.  Honestly having difficulty reading Pyro.

9 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said:

(plus, I’m fairly sure Hoid converted last night, anyway)

Hmmm.  Why though? 

Also, @Fifth Scholar, if you can't quote across tabs, there are actually unkeyed quote boxes that you can just add to your posts.  You can paste into them, and it means you don't have to just color everything.

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Someone totally said this at some point.

I think you can do that on mobile too?  I'm not sure.

Elbereth seems to be acting differently, but it seems pretty NAI.  Her posts seem more aggressive, as far as discussion goes, and pushing responses and discussion more than an Elim would, but that gets into IKYKs.  Other than that I'm not really reading her as Elim, just as a villager who's trying to push people in order to get reads on them.

Speaking of IKYKs, though:

2 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

Were I truly Odium, would I really talk about it so much, thereby drawing attention to myself for it?

Wow.  IKYK alert.

3 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

What I am saying is that there are bigger problems right now. Hoid and Khriss are definitely bigger issues, because their win con will be 100% incompatible with the village. Whereas the Shardic win cons that come when the Shardic Intent overrides a person are likely compatible with villager goals. Odium’s probably won’t be, and he’s definitely a problem, but he isn’t one right now because his Intent hasn’t overridden yet and he’s likely in village hands. In addition, I’m not sure what you think lynching Odium would actually accomplish; the Shard would just pass to a random person who lynched them, and we’d be in the same boat. 

I actually agree with most of this.  It does, to me, seem statistically more likely to me that Odium is in village hands, and honestly I'm not super worried about Odium either.  5th's posts seem a bit off, and I'm really not suspicious Bard at all (I was more suspicious of them last game, actually, although that doesn't really mean anything.) but I'm equally suspicious of Pyro, mostly on gut.  And all of the points 5th makes here seem pretty solid.  I'm sure I had more to say but I'm forgetting what it was now...  I might get back to this later.

I don't think Philepe De Pedro Von Leiderhuch Johnson III has said anything so I'm going to take my vote off of Philepe De Pedro Von Leiderhuch Johnson III.  Instead I'll @shanerockes in the hopes that they take a look at the thread.

Other than that I'd like to say I'm pretty happy with the level of discussion, given the fact that people could definitely have felt like the wind was taken out of their sails from the cycle rebooting.  Also I'm really tired and looking over this post it doesn't seem super cohesive so... forgive me for rambling a bit.  

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Ah, YoungPyro. If you weren't a new player, I wouldn't be so reluctant to push suspicions of you. But truthfully, your posts have given me a bad gut read. You have posted a LOT, but not very much was necessarily relevant. You either repeat a previously stated opinion, in a brief sentence or two, or make a statement, equally brief. Also, that spiel on page three? What purpose did that have? Though probably harmless, it looks a little strange.

5th is also suspicious, as everyone above has stated, for above-average interest in the release of Odium. Though his point that he is most likely not Odium is sound, it does not ignore the possibilities that he could be distracting us to protect his own interests.

[Stick. she/her]

 

@TheYoungPyromancer what lead you to think that Fifth was Autonomy/Survival?

13 hours ago, Jondesu said:

I personally doubt either Elbereth or Mage are our targets, but I’d be more willing to throw my vote on Elbereth right now. Mage seems to be playing normally to me.

This reads kinda off to me. You say you doubt we should be lynching either of them then go ahead and place a vote on one of them yourself, almost as if you want at least of them lynched, even if it is for no substantial reason. 

10 hours ago, TheYoungPyromancer said:

Odium's win con, which will likely take into effect soon-ish, will not be good for the village

Why do you think that? I personally doubt that village!Odium would go around killing people every night, as that would most likely mean killing villagers, who would also happen to be Odium's teammates, at the moment.

@Fifth Scholar you've said somewhere in this thread (I'm too lazy to go searching for the post) that you suspect Steel of being Odium. Why do you think so?

@Eternum *poke. Say something.

whitetext. ha. you thought you'd found something important here? lol. run along, child.

I'm genuinely having a hard time trying to build actual suspicions, but here's a few of my reads:

Bard: quite unsure. Actually, I think you may hold a Shard, judging by this post. So I'm going to give you a 50%  (100% being most scummy)

Fifth: 35%. I do agree with some of the players who have pointed out how you seem to be focusing to much on Odium but your posts seem genuine, and I think you're a villager.

Jondesu: overall, I'm leaning village here, but not strongly. 47%

MonsterMetroid: getting a weird vibe, but can't put my finger on exactly why. And due to there being no real reason, I'm not voting on you. 55%

Mage: seems pretty village to me despite what a fair number of players seem to think. 35%

Pryomancer: Honestly, your tone and posts in general don't really seem much different than last time, and although you weren't technically elim last time, this does set off alarms in my head. 58% (?)

Edited March 18, 2018 by _Stick_
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[Orlok Tsubodai]

@Magestar, pointing out the IKYK seems like casting unnecessary suspicion on Fifth. Were he really Odium, pointing all this out because Odium wouldn't really spend so much time on Odium, it would remain counterproductive. Regardless of how we judge it, he's brought a significantly increased level of attention on himself.

@_Stick_, given Odium has been released, and may be playing to a differing win condition, I'm surprised to see you call out a suspected location of a Shard. How does this advantage the village, given the reasonable likelihood of the Shards currently being held by 17th Sharders?

[Arinian]

21 hours ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

I was introduced by my AI assistant Adeptus Hamonius. Wilson was listed as the IM. I was using the light green color and remaining anonymous as everyone who could access the doc already knew who I was, though at one point I claimed to be ARINIAN, Lord of Colors.

Sorry but no one would believed you because you made a big mistake I never use light green in docs .

About Mage I would say that he acts like Survival to me and playing to his possible future win condition. I would say his behavior fits for Survival pretty well. All this reluctancy which Orlok noted I interpret as more suitable for Survival then for Khriss or Hoid. Other posssbility that Mage can be Odium, but I don't think that it so.

Discussion around spreadsheet is ended I hope? 

El seems little bit more agressive than usualy, not sure what does it means. But will add her to list of possible Vessels at that moment.

Orlok, I can see him being one of Hoid or Khriss, he looked too focused on Mage. Focus on Mage on it's own don't says much to us but I can see  elim!Orlok trying to keep with his usual active village play style but Orlok's accusations on Mage seemed somewhat dull. Maybe I'm tunneling not going to make any cocnlusions at this point.

Pyromancer looks a bit odd to me but I can't say how I should read all his posts, he stopped to talk about Survival... hmm. Nah probably nothing.

5th Scholar, I think votes on him at this point is result of him being pretty active.

Devotary, leaning village to me. But I would say that I bit biased about Devotary so my judgement shouldn't be counted as something that can be trusted.  

Hemalurgic Headshot made me suspect him with his early post, but right now can't say what was that, better for me to reread them.

 

 

[Eternum he/him]

Hey, everyone. Sorry for being inactive. Things came up and I've been busy. I'm currently reading through the game so far. I'll do at least some analysis this cycle. Y'all have been talking a lot

[Arinian]

Just got reread rules and noted some interesting things:

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Shards Invested in a Shardworld: At the start of every Cycle, every player on that Shardworld will receive a charge of the invested Shard’s investiture. A Shard invested in a Shardworld does not have a Vessel, and cannot be used or targeted by any actions other the lynch or Odium’s attack.

Right now when most players sitting at Silverlight trying to get Shards, Khriss can travel on certain world with her converts and get good boost in investiture, just imagine if Khriss have Odium, that can end pretty bad for us.

Also if someone missed:

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Unless otherwise specified in their Roles, no player may hold more than 3 charges of investiture at any given time. Investiture above and beyond those 3 charges is removed from the game.

Only Hoid and Khriss can have unlimited number of investiture. 

Also @Seonid can  shattered Shard be invested in world? And what will happen if Shard in containment on same turn will be released and targeted by Odium? Can Shards invest in themself(to get investement role)? Do we would be informed on which world Shard invested?

Also I saw that someone asked if Odium can target players on other worlds:

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Shardic abilities may target players on any world, regardless of the location of the Vessel.

 

Edited March 18, 2018 by Arinian

[Orlok Tsubodai]

1 hour ago, Arinian said:

Orlok, I can see him being one of Hoid or Khriss, he looked too focused on Mage. Focus on Mage on it's own don't says much to us but I can see  elim!Orlok trying to keep with his usual active village play style but Orlok's accusations on Mage seemed somewhat dull. Maybe I'm tunneling not going to make any cocnlusions at this point.

As I noted yesterday, Arinian, at the time of posting I'd been awake for something like 28 hours consecutively. I'd also lost an 18 post multiquote that had taken two hours to build, and really didn't have the energy to recreate it. 

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

@MagestarYeah, the issue with my defense is that it unfortunately goes deep into IKYK. But honestly, how else am I supposed to defend myself? I can’t plead innocence, since I’ve already told the thread that I tried to take a charge of Odium’s Investiture. On the count that I seem to be focusing a lot on Odium, this is true, but a lot of it was just some heavy initial commentary that came from my mind being on the failed theft of Investiture, and then people started grilling me for questions about him, so I began to talk more. 

@_Stick_ It wasn’t much, just kind of an off feeling I got that I’d attribute to gut. I have far bigger suspicions than Steeldancer at the moment.

@Hemalurgic Headshot I agree with you that Pyromancer seems odd, though I would give them the benefit of the doubt at the moment, and attribute it to posting style rather than alignment. For now at least, the former seems more likely. On another note, do you care to elaborate a bit more on your suspicions of me? You seem to simply be jumping on the bandwagon of “Fifth is focusing too much on Odium.” Do you have other reasons to suspect me?

@Drake Marshall, I think Hoid converted last night because stealing a Shard, even if successful, would be an unlikely proposition simply because Hoid would have little idea which Shards were being targeted, and wouldn’t want to waste his ability for little to no gain. He might be targeting a Shard nobody else is (complete waste of an action), or a Shard a lot of people are going for, which would help release it, but there’d be a small chance that Hoid ended up with the Shard. Far better for him to convert, then use his convert’s action along with his own to take a Shard the following night. 

[Arinian]

20 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

As I noted yesterday, Arinian, at the time of posting I'd been awake for something like 28 hours consecutively. I'd also lost an 18 post multiquote that had taken two hours to build, and really didn't have the energy to recreate it. 

I remember it, that's why I said that I'm not going  to make any conclusions right now.

[Stick. she/her]

1 hour ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

@_Stick_, given Odium has been released, and may be playing to a differing win condition, I'm surprised to see you call out a suspected location of a Shard. How does this advantage the village, given the reasonable likelihood of the Shards currently being held by 17th Sharders?

Why're you assuming said 'Shard' doesn't include Odium? I think Bard is most likely to hold just that. Also, I've speculated on who may hold a Shard at least once before in this thread, and one or two of the other players have done so as well. I'm curious to know why you chose this one to point this out.  Regardless, I think it's more plausible that Odium isn't already playing to its potentially SK win con just yet.

On a slightly unrelated note, do we know whether the conversions take place before, or after a Shard gets released out of containment?

[Orlok Tsubodai]

18 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Why're you assuming said 'Shard' doesn't include Odium? I think Bard is most likely to hold just that. Also, I've speculated on who may hold a Shard at least once before in this thread, and one or two of the other players have done so as well. I'm curious to know why you chose this one to point this out.  Regardless, I think it's more plausible that Odium isn't already playing to its potentially SK win con just yet.

On a slightly unrelated note, do we know whether the conversions take place before, or after a Shard gets released out of containment?

Three Shards have been released, which makes it more likely that he isn't Odium, and I hadn't recalled any indication from you that you thought he was. I pointed this one out because I happen to see it, and the thought occurred today. What makes you think Bard is most likely to hold Odium?

[Stick. she/her]

Fair. Last line, same post...Seems like distancing. *shrug 

[Young Bard he/him]

Gah. There's so much I want to say, but I have uni tomorrow, and can't spend all night staying up - it is literally 3am right now for me here - responding to everything I want to respond to. So, I'm going to respond just to Fifth Scholar's accusation, because it's directly aimed at me, quickly on the whole Devotary/El thing, and then hopefully some sort of vote, even though there's so much more I'd like to say, but don't have the time for.

Oh, and Straw. I thoroughly disagree with... basically all of your analysis, really, but that's still a strong improvement over having no analysis at all.  (This is something I've responded to before, and don't have time to go over again.)

Fifth - I said that because that was my thought process at the time. I was trying to point out that we couldn't even assume that there was a flat rate of 3 Shards a night being released (which, in my opinion, would be bad enough) - because tonight there will be fewer Shards to steal charges from and therefore there any given Shard has an even greater chance of being released. I'm not against villagers taking Investiture - in fact, I proposed a system in order to try and maximise the potential for people to steal Shards without releasing them (which was rejected by the village). Admittedly, that system was proposed the first Night 0, but my opinions did not change between LG43 and LG43a.

I'm... not sure what you mean by 'letting my second paragraph slide' - it implies that there's something inherently suspicious about it that you're not going to comment on - either it's not suspicious or it is - if it's not, then there's no need to insinuate, and if there is, then please elaborate and I'll try and respond to that.

The people 'returning their Shards after they've had their fun with it' is not my concern. My concern is whether them 'having their fun with it' counts as before or after their win con changes.  I'm attempting to discourage that from happening. I think... someone - I forget who - in the thread today, put it much more clearly and bluntly than I was - Hoid and Khriss (and their new lackeys) are my concern right now, but if I see evidence that they're going after a win con that isn't a village win con, that players removal will become a priority for me.

From Fifth's analysis of my second post, I only feel like I need/have time to respond to Number 4 - yes, voting on inactives is reasonably common for me, especially on Day 1, where I don't have much better to do.

And for the rumour that I have a Shard - I'm not going to confirm or deny this (and I don't think anyone else should either), simply because if there's a rogue Odium out there (which is quite possible), we shouldn't narrow down the possibilities of where the Shards are. (Well, I will say I don't hold Odium, since that's the reason I'm not revealing. Any other Shard, I have no comment.)

Right. Devotary... Now that that very first comment (the one that first stood out to me) is explained by them being Khriss, I feel that's my main piece of evidence gone. I'm putting them as neutral for now, with a note to watch them in future.

El, strangely, I trust. Lying about Devotary would be much too sloppy for Elim!El, IMO, which leads me to assume it was a legitimate mistake made by someone who called out what they thought was a lie. I'm strongly against their lynch. (Particularly given their luck in past Shard Games. )

Hmmm... I'm not nearly as confident as I'd like on who to vote for - I'd like to read over the thread again when it's not now 3:30 in the morning. I'm making a mental note to look over a couple of Mage's posts - they felt weird but I can't place why (sorry Mage, I hate when someone says that about my posts - ping me to elaborate on this when I have fresh eyes if I've forgotten.) I think I'm going to vote for Droughtbringer. This is about an 80% poke-vote, 20% suspicious vote, if that makes any sense - they post one game relevant line, and it's about a fringe issue that's not really got anything to do with any of the major discussions (It really only says "We shouldn't treat Odium as a problem now, we should later if they seem to be working against the village" - a very safe statement.) It feels to me like they're trying to hedge their statements, and avoid coming down on one side or the other and drawing attention to themselves. Then again, it's possible that they just intend to post more when they're more rested (I should try that sometime), so I'll be interested to see what their general opinions are.

Right, that's me for the night. I'll be on again tomorrow a few hours before rollover, so I should be able to discuss more then.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Young Bard
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[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

@Fifth Scholar There aren't any other things on which I'm feeling suspicious about you, I just wanted to express my agreement with what had been previously said concerning your behavior. You aren't seeming particularly suspicious to me besides that, but it was something to note.

[Megasif he/him]

Hey everyone. I should be on in a couple of hours, all caught up, hopefully.

[livinglegend]

Fwew finally caught up. Unfortunately that took most of my time for this morning. I jotted down general impressions which I'll post as well as a vote tally. I'll be back later tonight to flesh these accusations out but for now: 

 

 

Elbereth - village read

Mage - minor village read

Fifth - very slight village read

HH - minor elim read

Stick - minor elim read

Monster - minor hoid read

Pyromancer - minor kriss read

Also, here is a vote tally and a promise to be back on to vote with reasons (probably for one of those four).

Devotary (1): Bard1, Elbereth, Monster

Straw (0): Bard2

Shanerockes (0): Magestar

Magestar (0): Orlock1, Pyromancer1

Pyromancer (1): Drake, Orlock2

Elbereth (0): Pyromancer2, Jondesu

Scholar (1): Pyromancer3

Bard (1): Scholar

Drought (1): Bard3

 

 

 

Or to be more clear:

Devotary (1): Elbereth

Pyromancer (1): Orlock

Scholar (1): Pyromancer

Bard (1): Scholar

Drought (1): Bard

 

 

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Given our proud tradition of not lynching new players on turn 1, and to give me more time to watch Pyromancer's playstyle, I'm going to switch my vote back to Magestar. Although an admittedly superficial analysis, he's voting on Fifth for focusing on Odium whilst having more posts mentioning Odium himself, and indeed the most posts mentioning Odium of any player in the game. 

[Straw he/him]

11 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

Given our proud tradition of not lynching new players on turn 1, and to give me more time to watch Pyromancer's playstyle, I'm going to switch my vote back to Magestar. Although an admittedly superficial analysis, he's voting on Fifth for focusing on Odium whilst having more posts mentioning Odium himself, and indeed the most posts mentioning Odium of any player in the game. 

Hmm. That does sound suspicious. I’ll consider voting on him.

[DeTess she/her]

Hey Guys, I'm back! I'm also very tired, and this is quite a bit of thread to go through. There's a couple of posts I want to comment on right now, but I don't have enough time to form solid enough reads to start voting this cycle.

15 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said:

There are two possible Elim teams that could have taken Odium: Hoid and Khriss. Odium is literally useless to Hoid, since he can’t take kill actions, and there’s the fact that Hoid can’t directly steal Investiture from Shards anyway, so Hoid is definitely out (plus, I’m fairly sure Hoid converted last night, anyway). Khriss could have ended up with Odium, but I think she used her action to convert, or to steal from Ruin. While it is possible that Khriss does hold Odium now, considering the numbers of villagers either seeking to hold the power of Odium in their hand, or people like me who just wanted a kill action, I find the idea of Odium being in Khriss’ hands unlikely just because of the sheer quantity of villagers who tried to steal from Odium. Not to say it’s impossible, but I find village!Odium more likely.

Why? and why? I've seen two people admit to taking from Odium, so there only has to be one more for Odium to be released, so there's no indication of a massed rush on Odium. And why would Khriss be more likely to take from Ruin in particular instead of Odium?

14 hours ago, TheYoungPyromancer said:

Also, @Fifth Scholar, Odium's win con, which will likely take into effect soon-ish, will not be good for the village.

I wasn't aware Odium's win-con was already known. Though it's reasonable to assume that Odium could be some kind of serial-killer, he could also just have orders to shatter all Shards, which is a win-con that is compatible with any of the other factions.

Now, people have also talked about Odium shattering cultivation, and Ruin breaking Silverlight as if these where bad outcomes. First of all, the village is the only faction with a sudden-death win-con that can be completed while any or all shards are shattered. Secondly, forcing everyone out of Silverlight will actually improve communication, as it means the world-docs will all start seeing use. It will also become easier to determine who might have taken a Shard, though that's a very double-edge sword.

The down-side to these two actions is that the shard-holder risk getting taken over by their win-con, which might be bad for the village.

Edited March 18, 2018 by randuir

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

10 hours ago, Orlok Tsubodai said:

For now, TheYoungPyromancer. Much as you say Fifth is suggesting we avoid focusing on Odium, it sounds to me like you’re taking attention away from Hoid and Khriss. Drought’s point about Odium’s alignment is a sensible one. If Shards start to be shattered, we’ll want to start worrying, but we should keep attention on Hoid and Khriss regardless.

I didn't intend that.  It is just that Hoid and Khriss have no kill roles, Hoid can't kill, and killing in this game without a contained Odium is hard.  However, Odium can kill.

6 hours ago, Magestar said:

Oddly, I'm suspicious of both 5th and Pyro.  I'm unsure why 5th is so fascinated with Odium, and Pyro is just all over the place.  Honestly having difficulty reading Pyro.

Hmmm.  Why though? 

Also, @Fifth Scholar, if you can't quote across tabs, there are actually unkeyed quote boxes that you can just add to your posts.  You can paste into them, and it means you don't have to just color everything.

I think you can do that on mobile too?  I'm not sure.

Elbereth seems to be acting differently, but it seems pretty NAI.  Her posts seem more aggressive, as far as discussion goes, and pushing responses and discussion more than an Elim would, but that gets into IKYKs.  Other than that I'm not really reading her as Elim, just as a villager who's trying to push people in order to get reads on them.

Speaking of IKYKs, though:

Wow.  IKYK alert.

I actually agree with most of this.  It does, to me, seem statistically more likely to me that Odium is in village hands, and honestly I'm not super worried about Odium either.  5th's posts seem a bit off, and I'm really not suspicious Bard at all (I was more suspicious of them last game, actually, although that doesn't really mean anything.) but I'm equally suspicious of Pyro, mostly on gut.  And all of the points 5th makes here seem pretty solid.  I'm sure I had more to say but I'm forgetting what it was now...  I might get back to this later.

I don't think Philepe De Pedro Von Leiderhuch Johnson III has said anything so I'm going to take my vote off of Philepe De Pedro Von Leiderhuch Johnson III.  Instead I'll @shanerockes in the hopes that they take a look at the thread.

Other than that I'd like to say I'm pretty happy with the level of discussion, given the fact that people could definitely have felt like the wind was taken out of their sails from the cycle rebooting.  Also I'm really tired and looking over this post it doesn't seem super cohesive so... forgive me for rambling a bit.  

I am specifically trying to be hard to read.  Also, I am sick and trapped at home, so I am bored out of my mind.

5 hours ago, Hemalurgic Headshot said:

Ah, YoungPyro. If you weren't a new player, I wouldn't be so reluctant to push suspicions of you. But truthfully, your posts have given me a bad gut read. You have posted a LOT, but not very much was necessarily relevant. You either repeat a previously stated opinion, in a brief sentence or two, or make a statement, equally brief. Also, that spiel on page three? What purpose did that have? Though probably harmless, it looks a little strange.

5th is also suspicious, as everyone above has stated, for above-average interest in the release of Odium. Though his point that he is most likely not Odium is sound, it does not ignore the possibilities that he could be distracting us to protect his own interests.

See above.

4 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

 

@TheYoungPyromancer what lead you to think that Fifth was Autonomy/Survival?

This reads kinda off to me. You say you doubt we should be lynching either of them then go ahead and place a vote on one of them yourself, almost as if you want at least of them lynched, even if it is for no substantial reason. 

Why do you think that? I personally doubt that village!Odium would go around killing people every night, as that would most likely mean killing villagers, who would also happen to be Odium's teammates, at the moment.

@Fifth Scholar you've said somewhere in this thread (I'm too lazy to go searching for the post) that you suspect Steel of being Odium. Why do you think so?

@Eternum *poke. Say something.

whitetext. ha. you thought you'd found something important here? lol. run along, child.

I'm genuinely having a hard time trying to build actual suspicions, but here's a few of my reads:

Bard: quite unsure. Actually, I think you may hold a Shard, judging by this post. So I'm going to give you a 50%  (100% being most scummy)

Fifth: 35%. I do agree with some of the players who have pointed out how you seem to be focusing to much on Odium but your posts seem genuine, and I think you're a villager.

Jondesu: overall, I'm leaning village here, but not strongly. 47%

MonsterMetroid: getting a weird vibe, but can't put my finger on exactly why. And due to there being no real reason, I'm not voting on you. 55%

Mage: seems pretty village to me despite what a fair number of players seem to think. 35%

Pryomancer: Honestly, your tone and posts in general don't really seem much different than last time, and although you weren't technically elim last time, this does set off alarms in my head. 58% (?)

This. 

On 3/17/2018 at 9:44 AM, Fifth Scholar said:

At a math competition (my weekend’s really busy for whatever reason). I don’t think the release of Autonomy is necessarily bad, as until they become self-aligned they aren’t really a problem to the village. I propose that whoever has it continues to pass it around to keep their village alignment.

Ruin is a bigger issue, and one that I could see Khriss going for over a conversion. Getting Ruin, the extra action it grants, and the ability to blow up Silverlight, likely releasing all the Shards and scattering us among the remaining worlds is something I could definitely see Khriss doing. So I think that finding and lynching Khriss this cycle should be our priority. It’s unlikely to happen, but right now she’s probably a bigger threat than Hoid, as I can’t see a situation in which Hoid didn’t convert last night, while I could see multiple in which Khriss holds off on hers. Khriss + Ruin should scare the living daylights out of everyone here. 

Odium is a huge problem; however, I don’t think we should go after him yet. Right now, the person holding it is almost 100% sure to be village (unless they were Hoid’s convert), and unless they’re a troll that wants Odium’s win con (which is, sadly, a legitimate possibility) and plan on shattering Cultivation, we have bigger fish to fry at the moment. However, I hope the village will actually go for Cultivation tonight, if for no other reason than to prevent its Shattering. Odium, if you have a shred of decency, don’t hit Cultivation tonight. The village depends on it. If you do, I will personally hunt you and try to lynch you. You probably still have a village win con. Hold to it, please.

Likely things happening tonight:

-Odium kills Culty (please don’t, Odium)

-Ruin blows Silverlight up, releasing all the Shards 

-The village gets a decent number of these Shards

As for the lynch, I just don’t have time to comb through everyone’s stuff, but will express that something seems off about Steel beyond him potentially being Odium. I’ll have more thoughts tonight. Sorry for the low quality of this post.

 

[Arinian]

3 minutes ago, randuir said:

Why? and why? I've seen two people admit to taking from Odium, so there only has to be one more for Odium to be released, so there's no indication of a massed rush on Odium. And why would Khriss be more likely to take from Ruin in particular instead of Odium?

Most people was thinking that Ruin is more preferable for Khriss because Ruin can divest Shards by destroying planets, but they probably forget that Odium also can divest Shards just by Shattering it.

8 minutes ago, randuir said:

I wasn't aware Odium's win-con was already known. Though it's reasonable to assume that Odium could be some kind of serial-killer, eh could also just have orders to shatter all Shards, which is a win-con that is compatible with any of the other factions.

In previous game Odium's win con was to Shatter all Shards, I think people just assuming that in this game win con is same.

Also I agree with you that Shattering some Shards or Destroying Silverlight not something truly bad, but we don't know how long it takes for win condition to be changed by Shard so I think that people fear that Odium can destroy Cultivation.

[Straw he/him]

I’d advise everyone to target Cultivation or Honor tonight, as those seem to be the Shard that are most beneficial to the village. Additionally, those Shards can start combating Odium, which is a significant bonus.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Straw

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Preservation would also be good.  Or Devotion.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

1 hour ago, randuir said:

Why? and why? I've seen two people admit to taking from Odium, so there only has to be one more for Odium to be released, so there's no indication of a massed rush on Odium. And why would Khriss be more likely to take from Ruin in particular instead of Odium?

Wait, we know how many charges need to be taken from a Shard to release it? Since when? As for your questions, I feel like I explain them a lot earlier in my posts, but I will say that I think a lot of villagers were probably tempted by Odium, whether the Shard or the Investiture. 

I like what Young Bard said. Unfortunately, I have to do work so I will elaborate later, but will take my vote off him for the moment. Oh, and Bard, when I said “letting your second paragraph slide,” it was the one accusing Devotary before we got proof that he was Khriss, and I wasn’t going to hold you accountable for a theory you held based on incomplete evidence.