[OB] Full Book Reactions / Full Spoilers Thread

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52 minutes ago, Windseeker said:

I also disliked the Kholinar arc and believe it to be wasted potential. It's one of the parts that feels the most awkward coming from Brandon Sanderson because he's usually the type who really takes his time whenever a major conflict occurs, whereas here he wrapped up a major battle in about a page.

My biggest qualms with the Kholinar arc is the time it took to set it up vs the reward. Objectively speaking, I totally appreciate plot twists, and I am inwardly happy that even the best of plans can be thwarted by unknown variables, which the Voidspren and the Unmade are. However, the way the arc ended bothers me the most, not how it ended. It painted the protagonists as a bunch of emotional, immature brats who can't get anything right due to crippling doubts. Sure, Shallan and Kaladin aren't soldiers in the real sense of the word(Unlike Adolin who shrugged off Elhokar's death because he knew that freezing up wasn't an option), but I want to see these two show their capabilities. I want them to make use of their past experience and show us, the audience, that they have evolved. What good does it do me that Kaladin constantly finds reasons to brood over? It just proves that the journey is barely relevant in his case, as he's still the naive darkeyes from chapter 1 of "Way of Kings" where he wants to save everybody he cares about. The biggest offender here is that, just before the big skirmish, he tells Elhokar, "Save the one you can," an advice that he blatantly ignores. Being conflicted about his views clashing with the Ideals he swears is good, but it shouldn't come at the cost of turning him into a hypocrite.

Shallan is equally guilty. I won't really go into detail about her since her coping mechanism is even weirder than Kaladin's depression, but I can honestly say that this pattern starts to get repetitive. We are 3 books in now, and it's a tad irritating for the protagonists to still carry the demons they supposedly banished in books 1 and 2. I don't want Shallan and Kaladin to miraculously solve all of their problems, but to at least mature and grow a freaking spine! With great power come great responsibilities indeed, yet these two seem perfectly comfortable remaining in their cocoon while whining about how unfair life is to them.

But isnt that the part of the progression.. like kaladin failed t say the 4th ideal purely because he was holding himself back. I feel like that their progression as KR also slowly eliminates what haunts them. I think in one conversion between kaladin and syl when hes depressed he mentions how because hes broken he cant function as a KR and she laughs it off and answers with the fact that ALL the ancient KR were also broken people. I kinda get ya with kaladin as his obsession to save dalinar got annoying at times but at the same time the book did show a  path of character progression both kaladin and shallan become indepent and had responsibility especially in the case of shallan. Dalinars demons have been well documented since book 1 too and the villain defeated at  the end was a manifestation of his demons... 

I get your point but i feel like you're gonna find the repeptitive pattern with every character who is a KR

[king of nowhere]

1 hour ago, Windseeker said:

My biggest qualms with the Kholinar arc is the time it took to set it up vs the reward. Objectively speaking, I totally appreciate plot twists, and I am inwardly happy that even the best of plans can be thwarted by unknown variables, which the Voidspren and the Unmade are. However, the way the arc ended bothers me the most, not how it ended. It painted the protagonists as a bunch of emotional, immature brats who can't get anything right due to crippling doubts. Sure, Shallan and Kaladin aren't soldiers in the real sense of the word(Unlike Adolin who shrugged off Elhokar's death because he knew that freezing up wasn't an option), but I want to see these two show their capabilities. I want them to make use of their past experience and show us, the audience, that they have evolved.

You know what, I didn't like much the kholinar arc (well, I did like it, just not as much as the rest of the book), but I appreciate it more after this post. Because, yes, it shows that some of the main characters stiill have a way to go. In particular shallan; many people (myself included) were thinking that she was too successful in book 2, but this is the result. this is the logical follow-up. Shallan learned to put on a face of strenght to hide her weaknesses, but she lost a lot in doing so. and yes, she also has moments of immaturity stemming from not wanting to confront stuff. being so successful in the past aggravated it, giving her the feeling that she could do whatever she pleased. Jasnah putting her in her place was good for her; I just would like to know how did jasnah manage to figure out a pshycological profile of shallan so well after one day in urithiru.

And kaladin has faced his demons in book 2 and made considerable progress - he's much less depressed than he was in the past - but he's still not 100% ok. so, I guess that was the reason for the story arc

 

[EC11 he/him]

2 hours ago, StormingTexan said:

I wouldn’t say disappointed but that was the slowest part to me with it speeding up at the end. I think a lot of people felt the Shadesmar part was the slowest but I didn’t compared to most of the Kholinar scenes.

Shadesmar felt like the plot was moving though, with a coherent sense of direction. The Kholinar arc seemed to amble about a bit from set piece to set piece, feeling a tad clunky, with Azure being hyped up a touch too much. Wit/Hoid was great, and it felt like he helped move Shallan's character along, but even trying to sneak in to the Cult of the Moment seemed forced at points.

1 hour ago, Windseeker said:

I also disliked the Kholinar arc and believe it to be wasted potential. It's one of the parts that feels the most awkward coming from Brandon Sanderson because he's usually the type who really takes his time whenever a major conflict occurs, whereas here he wrapped up a major battle in about a page.

My biggest qualms with the Kholinar arc is the time it took to set it up vs the reward. Objectively speaking, I totally appreciate plot twists, and I am inwardly happy that even the best of plans can be thwarted by unknown variables, which the Voidspren and the Unmade are. However, the way the arc ended bothers me the most, not how it ended. It painted the protagonists as a bunch of emotional, immature brats who can't get anything right due to crippling doubts. Sure, Shallan and Kaladin aren't soldiers in the real sense of the word(Unlike Adolin who shrugged off Elhokar's death because he knew that freezing up wasn't an option), but I want to see these two show their capabilities. I want them to make use of their past experience and show us, the audience, that they have evolved. What good does it do me that Kaladin constantly finds reasons to brood over? It just proves that the journey is barely relevant in his case, as he's still the naive darkeyes from chapter 1 of "Way of Kings" where he wants to save everybody he cares about. The biggest offender here is that, just before the big skirmish, he tells Elhokar, "Save the one you can," an advice that he blatantly ignores. Being conflicted about his views clashing with the Ideals he swears is good, but it shouldn't come at the cost of turning him into a hypocrite.

Shallan is equally guilty. I won't really go into detail about her since her coping mechanism is even weirder than Kaladin's depression, but I can honestly say that this pattern starts to get repetitive. We are 3 books in now, and it's a tad irritating for the protagonists to still carry the demons they supposedly banished in books 1 and 2. I don't want Shallan and Kaladin to miraculously solve all of their problems, but to at least mature and grow a freaking spine! With great power come great responsibilities indeed, yet these two seem perfectly comfortable remaining in their cocoon while whining about how unfair life is to them.

One of my biggest problems was that that pay off to the arc was lumped very unceremoniously at the end. The biggest flaw being Aesudan not being built up enough to the reader before the big reveal that she's turned evil, which made that plot twist completely left field. I felt like it blindsided me completely, and had no foreshadowing, with very little proper build up to "is the queen evil, is she under the control of one of the Unmade" and her first on screen appearance was almost underwhelming as an explanation as to why the palace had gone dark. So the surprises of the city falling didn't seem overwhelming. 

Then Kaladin's Heroic BSOD moment seemed almost too abrupt, without enough context that he found himself killing former friends, then Elhokar's death almost felt forced. While Kaladin has some character growth regarding protecting people, this felt almost out of the blue that he shuts down completely. The foreshadowing on that one could have been a little more blunt.

[Windseeker]

2 hours ago, EC11 said:

Shadesmar felt like the plot was moving though, with a coherent sense of direction. The Kholinar arc seemed to amble about a bit from set piece to set piece, feeling a tad clunky, with Azure being hyped up a touch too much. Wit/Hoid was great, and it felt like he helped move Shallan's character along, but even trying to sneak in to the Cult of the Moment seemed forced at points.

One of my biggest problems was that that pay off to the arc was lumped very unceremoniously at the end. The biggest flaw being Aesudan not being built up enough to the reader before the big reveal that she's turned evil, which made that plot twist completely left field. I felt like it blindsided me completely, and had no foreshadowing, with very little proper build up to "is the queen evil, is she under the control of one of the Unmade" and her first on screen appearance was almost underwhelming as an explanation as to why the palace had gone dark. So the surprises of the city falling didn't seem overwhelming. 

Then Kaladin's Heroic BSOD moment seemed almost too abrupt, without enough context that he found himself killing former friends, then Elhokar's death almost felt forced. While Kaladin has some character growth regarding protecting people, this felt almost out of the blue that he shuts down completely. The foreshadowing on that one could have been a little more blunt.

I was 90% certain that Azure was a Herald during the first few chapters that included her character. It would have played brilliant with the plot if it turned out to be such, as it would have allowed the Heralds to at least redeem themselves. I've always rooted for the possibility where the Heralds(At least the more sane ones) try to make amends for what happened. I'm not sure why Brandon resorted to bringing in characters from other worlds and mixing them into the current plot. It runs the very high risk of opening up gaping plot holes, or logical flaws that will be very difficult to explain(For instance, do the people on Roshar have a Breath? Can they surrender their Breath to somebody from the Warbreaker planet?). It does solidify the concept of a common universe for his novels, but it also takes away a sliver of a novel's identity by introducing elements foreign to it(Such as Nightblood that can vaporize the biggest and most badass of dudes). Leave a world's internal matters to its denizens is what I say XD

I agree that Aesudan could have used more foreshadowing. I guess another disappointing factor is that, for all her scouting and infiltration tactics, Shallan didn't really discover anything. All that build-up, all the preparations to infiltrate the Cult of Moments, and her only discovery is "Yep, there's an Unmade there." No rust sherlock.... I also didn't understand why she fled the way she did. Sure, the Heart of the Revel was getting into her mind, but she was still expected to find a way to deal with it later, so why not at least stay a bit longer and see how much she can resist its influence?

With Kaladin, I honestly expected him to fight for those he's responsible for. I have always interpreted his Ideals as "I'll be loyal to the faction I belong to" so it felt natural for him to defend the Wall Guard and his team, no matter who he has to fight to see to their safety. By freezing he did a disservice to everybody, as they massacred each other anyway.

[EC11 he/him]

4 minutes ago, Windseeker said:

I was 90% certain that Azure was a Herald during the first few chapters that included her character. It would have played brilliant with the plot if it turned out to be such, as it would have allowed the Heralds to at least redeem themselves. I've always rooted for the possibility where the Heralds(At least the more sane ones) try to make amends for what happened. I'm not sure why Brandon resorted to bringing in characters from other worlds and mixing them into the current plot. It runs the very high risk of opening up gaping plot holes, or logical flaws that will be very difficult to explain(For instance, do the people on Roshar have a Breath? Can they surrender their Breath to somebody from the Warbreaker planet?). It does solidify the concept of a common universe for his novels, but it also takes away a sliver of a novel's identity by introducing elements foreign to it(Such as Nightblood that can vaporize the biggest and most badass of dudes). Leave a world's internal matters to its denizens is what I say XD

I agree that Aesudan could have used more foreshadowing. I guess another disappointing factor is that, for all her scouting and infiltration tactics, Shallan didn't really discover anything. All that build-up, all the preparations to infiltrate the Cult of Moments, and her only discovery is "Yep, there's an Unmade there." No rust sherlock.... I also didn't understand why she fled the way she did. Sure, the Heart of the Revel was getting into her mind, but she was still expected to find a way to deal with it later, so why not at least stay a bit longer and see how much she can resist its influence?

With Kaladin, I honestly expected him to fight for those he's responsible for. I have always interpreted his Ideals as "I'll be loyal to the faction I belong to" so it felt natural for him to defend the Wall Guard and his team, no matter who he has to fight to see to their safety. By freezing he did a disservice to everybody, as they massacred each other anyway.

Well Azure could be redeemed later if she ends up in conflict with Szeth over control of Nightblood, otherwise her inclusion in that part of the plot would be something of a waste and she might have been better regulated to the background as a secondary character rather than having her mystery built up so much. I'm fairly certain she will have to show up again at this point, but we shall see. 

Since Way of Kings I've seen the story as a big crossover so I'm bot too disappointed.

Agreed. For all of Shallan's scouting she didn't really tell us anything we didn't know about what was happening at the Palace. she never got a look at the queen, she never really figured out the plan from the Unmade, never even really got mislead by them. It kinda just flowed naturally from their pre-existing assumptions, which makes it less surprising when Kholinar falls.

Kaladin makes some sense, if he'd frozen having been forced to kill one of the Wall Guard trying to protect one of the parshmen that would have been an excellent reason for his BSOD, but here he kinda becomes too passive for the character growth we've seen (loyal to his squad first and all that) so his sudden descent into secondary bleakness felt out of the blue. I feel that his character could have gone down that path with a bit more aplomb after realizing he has "betrayed" one of the squads by fighting for the other side and now he can't protect everybody.

[MistLord he/him]

13 hours ago, Blacksmithki said:

To number one, I was referring to a pure intent of Honor the shard, instead of Honor + Tanavast, and from that very quote it would appear that the shard's pure intent is very much as how I referred to it, but yes, given the context of a good vessel, most shards are pretty good.

2: I always saw Autonomy as the opposite of Honor, considering Honor is more or less taking away people's autonomy with oaths, the way I picture a pure shard intent Autonomy world, it would be almost the same as preservation as it would not be possible to interact with anything in any way because that forces it to do something, taking away it's autonomy. There's not like a second definition or really similar word and I'm misunderstanding autonomy is there?

Ah yes, true, Tanavast's raving would indicate Honour's intent at its purest prefers to look at the wording, not the meaning. I took this to mean that as he was dying (a la Preservation) he was being corrupted, and losing sight of his intent, but that doesn't make any sense, so you're right. 

A bit tangential, but I do agree out of all the Shards, Honour is most about restraint, and therefore loss of Autonomy. Especially if you conflate Honour with responsibility. 

 

6 hours ago, Windseeker said:

The biggest offender here is that, just before the big skirmish, [Kaladin] tells Elhokar, "Save the one you can," an advice that he blatantly ignores. Being conflicted about his views clashing with the Ideals he swears is good, but it shouldn't come at the cost of turning him into a hypocrite.

I do hope Kaladin's Fourth Ideal helps him overcome this hurdle, as I agree, it's becoming a bit repetitive. 

[Naurock]

4 hours ago, Windseeker said:

I was 90% certain that Azure was a Herald during the first few chapters that included her character. It would have played brilliant with the plot if it turned out to be such, as it would have allowed the Heralds to at least redeem themselves. I've always rooted for the possibility where the Heralds(At least the more sane ones) try to make amends for what happened. I'm not sure why Brandon resorted to bringing in characters from other worlds and mixing them into the current plot. It runs the very high risk of opening up gaping plot holes, or logical flaws that will be very difficult to explain(For instance, do the people on Roshar have a Breath? Can they surrender their Breath to somebody from the Warbreaker planet?). It does solidify the concept of a common universe for his novels, but it also takes away a sliver of a novel's identity by introducing elements foreign to it(Such as Nightblood that can vaporize the biggest and most badass of dudes). Leave a world's internal matters to its denizens is what I say XD

Brandon considers Warbreaker to be the prequel to all of the Stormlight Archives. I wish I was better at navigating the WoB database and it's been a long times since I've tried but I have read quite a few things regarding this. Also, only people born on Nalthis have a breath. Humans born there have an extra bit of Investiture from Endowment, and awakening allows them to harness this investiture.

Azure/Vivenna has changes considerably from Warbreaker and we are missing a lot of information. There must have been a war on Nalthis and her and Vasher probably created another Awakened Blade (maybe more than one). She probably has a large trove of breaths, and at the 5th heightening an awakener has "agelessness". She may have more, who knows.

But why is Nightblood so confusing to you? Warbreaker explained several times that he cuts on all three realms so whatever he kills is gone forever. He explained it in this book as well with Szeth. We have Shardblades, Radiants and living Sprenblades, Heralds and Honor Blades. They're all related, in a way.

[king of nowhere]

I just figured that one year ago I made a map for a totally unrelated videogame and I posted a moral conundrum similar to that of the recreance. The posted map with related description (which was only meant to add a bit of fluff and flavor to a challenging desert map) is here
 

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The stories say that once our tribe lived in the fertile land to the west, where plants and crops grow and one does not need to dig deeply to find water. But the easy life made us weak and lazy. One day the invaders came from the sea, and they conquered and pillaged, and they cast us out of our land. The few survivors were forced to escape in the desert, where they have struggled to survive ever since. But the stories speak of hope. They tell of a wise leader that will come, one that will be able to tame the desert and build a mighty civilization over it. A leader that will somehow find in this barren place the resources to train a powerful army, and will lead it across the high passes into the fertile land that we were forced to flee generations ago, slaughter the invaders, who have grown soft in their comfort like we did before them, and claim that land once again as ours! Has that leader finally arrived?

[snip]

After you win, wonder about the morality of kiling a man and taking the land where he's lived since he was born, just because his remote ancestors did the same to your ancestors one or two centuries before. Yes, you figured it. You bastard.

 

great minds think alike, or there is no such thing as originality. You decide.

Edited December 1, 2017 by king of nowhere

[Housedunn]

Probably my favorite and influential part was the last KALadin fight with Araman (excuse my spelling). The thing with me was that Brandon Sanderson is know for killing off main characters and for the last 19 months I convinced myself that he would kill off Kaladin. I could hardly read the fight, skipping over the other main characters parts just to know that my boy didn't die.

[Fourth Of The Night]

16 hours ago, Naurock said:

Brandon considers Warbreaker to be the prequel to all of the Stormlight Archives. I wish I was better at navigating the WoB database and it's been a long times since I've tried but I have read quite a few things regarding this.

The Arcanum is SUPER easy to use. I searched "Warbreaker + Prequel" and it immediately came up:

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Brandon Sanderson

One thing you have to remember is that in my cosmere outline, Warbreaker was a prequel to The Way of Kings, explaining Vasher's backstory. So I consider them more closely connected than some other things. But you could consider this the first major crossover.

Nightblood will be re-introduced, so those who haven't read Warbreaker will be brought up to speed.

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Brandon Sanderson

It goes pretty far back, in fact when I wrote Way of Kings, the 2002 version; he was a main character and was Kaladin's swordmaster. I wrote Warbreaker to jump back and write out his backstory, Vasher's. So to me Warbreaker actually came after Way of Kings. But the connection goes back pretty far, further than you would first guess.

 

So, Vasher and Nightblood are very much meant to be a part of Stormlight, and are in no way shimmied in for a nice cameo. They are a big part of the story and have always been.

[Adonis]

There is too much of warbreaker stuff in it too.....

And the part where humans are voidbringers and from another planet created by odium...

That's another book waiting to happen...which I can't wait to read...

This book felt like a filler though 

No doubt it was amazing and brought so many aspects and connected us to each character deeply...

More 7 to come....

I wonder how the story will turn....currently as the story is progressing it feels like it shouldn't be 10 books long and unnecessarily be made that long 

 

[Wit's Wit]

On 11/14/2017 at 9:55 AM, Ailvara said:

I also wonder, what he's getting at with this triangle resembling another (possibly Dalinar/Navani/Gavilar). It seems we are either left with a red herring or Adolin getting killed off and Shalladin happening later, possibly in the sequel series. Both options absolutely terrible.

IMO, the parallel triangle is Honor (Adolin), Cultivation (Shallan), Odium (Kaladin). Might be controversial, but Kaladin is nothing without passion, which reminds me of Vin's unique ties to ruin. Shallan is a force of creation, and Adolin's arc feels more and more like a battle to define honor for himself. In the end, cultivation is a better fit for honor, and I wouldn't be too surprised if there was actually a relationship triangle among the three shards, with honor and odium both having resided on the same planet that as cultivation at one point. 

[NamelessBridgeman]

MVP was Timbre (Nightblood close second) 

Paraphrased from OB:

*Pulsing to resolve*

"You did what?"

*More Resolve*

"How do you take a voidspren captive?"

*Pulsing to Victory*

I honestly threw down my tablet and shouted out loud when I read that.

Timbre switching to Rhythm of the Lost while getting sucked into the void during the Dalinar/Venli vision hit me with the feels pretty hard.

Also, Timbre creating the first Listener/Singer Radiant? HELL YEAH. 

[Faceless Mist-Wraith he/him]

I just finished the book a few days ago, and there were so many great moments! Here's a few of my quick thoughts.

• Dalinar's history was much darker than I expected, though it really made me appreciate how much he's changed to present day. And the way it all culminated into his refusal of Odium was fantastic. Finally getting answers about his wife and his boon was nice too.
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• There was a little less Kaladin viewpoints than I would have preferred, but it what I was okay with what we got. It was also interesting that he didn't end up swearing the next Ideal. It made sense according to Kaladin's character at that point, and just felt right, even though I was a little disappointed that I wouldn't learn the 4th Ideal. Admittedly it would have gotten repetitive if Oathbringer had also ended with Kaladin saving the day by swearing an oath.
• Shallan was... interesting. I certainly didn't see that level of mental instability coming, and it added a certain level of unpredictability to her chapters. I never felt sure that I could always predict what she would do next. I would say that I'm a little disappointed that the "Kaladin killed your brother" revelation didn't lead to any real developments.
• Szeth with Nightblood was great. There interactions constantly made me laugh. I expected them to be a horrible force of destruction, and I wasn't disappointed. Sure, they were a horrible force of destruction that sided with our protagonists, but I like to think of that as a bonus.
• Lift finally got in touch with the main cast, and it was everything I was hoping for. Can't wait to see more of how she interacts with them in book 4.
• Azure. I had my suspicions when she said the phrase "white on black", and it looks like they were rewarded. When I looked back I began to feel a bit silly for not thinking of the possibility sooner, especially with the whole "My name is a color thing". It was cool to see Vivenna, and made me really interested to see what's going to happen in Nightblood.
• Adolin. It looked like he was starting to awaken his shardblade, which was pretty amazing. Maybe he'll become a future Radiant? I will admit I was surprised that his murder of Sadeas had such little impact on the story. I expected him to face some consequences, or at the very least feel some form of investigative pressure, especially when he was told to look into the murder, but it was forgiven pretty easily.
• Didn't expect Mr. T to tell Dalinar about the Diagram. That was a real surprise at the end.
• Lopen wins the award for "Most Casual Swearing of an Ideal". That scene had me laughing for a good while.

So much happened in this book! Overall I would say my favorite character was Dalinar because of everything he tried to achieve, and for how much he developed as a character over the course of the book. Can't wait for book 4.

[Fulminato he/him]

13 hours ago, Faceless Mist-Wraith said:

• Didn't expect Mr. T to tell Dalinar about the Diagram. That was a real surprise at the end.

Mr. T don't tell dalinar of the diagram, but only he seek and unleash szeth on roshar, blaming dova (he claim she sould be the herald battar) for the scheming.

[TequilaJack]

Anyone know why the unmade Thrill left Dalinar during his early years? 

[Housedunn]

I just had a thought. Kaladin is immune to the Thrill and oathbringer shows that all knights radiants are not immune to it. Why do you think so, and to expand on it, do you think that Kaladin could be immune to other mental power like Nightblood's influence or Soothing or Rioting?

Edited December 4, 2017 by Housedunn

[Necessary Eagle she/her]

1 hour ago, Fulminato said:

Mr. T don't tell dalinar of the diagram, but only he seek and unleash szeth on roshar, blaming dova (he claim she sould be the herald battar) for the scheming.

I'd have to go reread that passage, but I think we don't really know how much Mr. T told Dalinar.

[Fulminato he/him]

45 minutes ago, Ookla the Eagle said:

I'd have to go reread that passage, but I think we don't really know how much Mr. T told Dalinar.

“You … didn’t become king of Jah Keved by accident, did you?” Dalinar asked. [...] “How?” Dalinar asked.
“There’s a woman at Kharbranth,” he said. “She goes by the name Dova, but we think she is Battah’Elin. A Herald. She told us the Desolation was approaching.” He looked to Dalinar. “I had nothing to do with the death of your brother. But once I heard of what incredible things the assassin did, I sought him out. Years later, I located him, and gave him specific instructions.…”

oathbringer Chapter 121. Ideals

“We’re in a dangerous position,” Dukar said. “His Majesty revealed too much to Dalinar. We will be watched now.”  … the … window …
“Dalinar doesn’t know of the Diagram,” Adrotagia countered. “Or that we brought the singers to Urithiru. He only knows that Kharbranth controlled the assassin—and thinks that the Herald’s insanity prompted us. We’re still well positioned.”

oathbringer Chapter 122. A Debt Repaid

i don't think this leave enough room for another interpretation.

Edited December 3, 2017 by Fulminato

[Necessary Eagle she/her]

Thank you. Guess I don't have to go back and reread.

[Kered he/him]

It probably hasn't been talked about in this thread, but I hate Moash. I'm working on his Coppermind page and it painful to study his content and his full-circle betrayal of Kaladin. And when I say I hate him, I mean him as a character, not how he's written. Brandon does a really good job of making characters like Moash. 

I don't know why, but Dalinar learning to read and write made me irrationally happy. 

Wit bonding a Cryptic, can't wait to read those conversations. 

The Taln/Ash interaction done caught me right in the feels. Taln's path back to some form of sanity is going to be amazing. 

Mr T, sigh. 

 

 

 

[Kelsier96]

In Part Five: New Unity, Ash says " Oh God. Oh, Adonalsium". How does she know about Adonalsium?. I know that she's a herald, but even Sazed from Mistborn doesn't know about it. In The Hero of Ages, Sazed says " I have delved and searched, and have only been able to come up with a single name: Adonalsium. Who, or what, it was, I do not yet know".

[Aleksiel]

1 hour ago, Kelsier96 said:

In Part Five: New Unity, Ash says " Oh God. Oh, Adonalsium". How does she know about Adonalsium?. I know that she's a herald, but even Sazed from Mistborn doesn't know about it. In The Hero of Ages, Sazed says " I have delved and searched, and have only been able to come up with a single name: Adonalsium. Who, or what, it was, I do not yet know".

Welcome to the forum! We don't know yet, however Ash is much older than Sazed, who now as Harmony knows more than he did as human (one of the letters is from him). Tanavast (the now dead holder of the Shard Honor) is one of those who shattered Adonalsium, so he could have shared with his Heralds or they could be from time and place where there was more knowledge on Adonalsium.

[Kelsier96]

When the holder of a Shard dies, the power of the shard will be taken by some other person as seen in Mistborn. (right?). So, when Honor died, did the power go to Stormfather as he is now able to to things he previously couldn't? Like Dalinar combining all the three realms into one. If so, is Stormfather(Dalinar included) as powerful as Honor himself?

 

[Housedunn]

No. If that was true then, the stormfather could go up against Odium. Odium stomped him so hard, the stormfather started crying. Also if the stormfather was that was that powerful, Odium probably would try to kill him sooned

Edited December 4, 2017 by Housedunn