Arinian Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 So right now we have 10 active players(+ couple lurkers. Shqueeves, Aonar, Striker maybe someone else I'm not sure), presumably. If 4 of them is active elims after that night and misslynch village will lose, because Wyrm said that after some period of time he not gonna count inactives for elim's or village's win con. So right now my guesses is that elim teams can be: 1)Rae, PK, Araris(don't know why Araris but something in his behavior looks elimy to me), +someone else. 2)Orlok, Aonar, Wilson, maybe DA or Araris. Aonar for obvious reasons... if you suspecting Orlok and Wilson of being elims in convert game then he is probably also elim. DA due to his sure position against Rae... just all this push against Rae looks like game ending move for me. Right now I think that elim team #1 is more probable(not sure about Araris as I said ). But not throwing away other possibility... also all elim team can consist from lurkers and we gonna lose anyway
Orlok Tsubodai Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 13 hours ago, Lemonelon said: Hi guys, I don't really have time for analysis of the game for the time being, so I'm mostly going to be lynching on gut feelings. I do think that we should start to kill off the inactive players though. @Arinian, I’d also point to Lemonelon, as a player who I think may well be evil, predominately on the basis of this post. I don’t see the advantage of killing off inactive players for the village, yet it’s clearly advantageous for eliminators.
little wilson she/her Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 I'm not dead until the writeup says that I'm dead. I'm not going to go completely inactive on Wyrm like that. I've talked to him, and there's a reason Alv made that post earlier. Yes, I lost the desire to play, but that was mostly because the vast majority of reasons for people's suspicions is entirely ridiculous since it's predicated on my changing playstyle (not everyone's but most). Well, let's actually look at this for half-a-second: We should be promoting people trying different playstyles. Sometimes, massively different playstyles. Sometimes, that attempt is going to go poorly. Sometimes, that person who tries a massively different playstyle will decide partway into the game that they're losing interest in the game because of their playstyle. This leaves them with two choices: 1. Change the playstyle and stay active. 2. Go inactive. We've seen players get in this position before. Guess what happens most of the time? THEY GO INACTIVE. Then people get upset, because inactivity is a problem. But people get EQUALLY UPSET if a player's playstyle shifts. So, what should a player in this situation do? That's a question for everyone, by the way. What's the right play there? Is there a right play there? Because based on all of your reactions, it honestly doesn't seem like there is. Damned if one does, damned if one doesn't. This is not conducive to promoting new playstyles. This is the antithesis. Lastly, I said I'd rather die than go inactive. I didn't die. And certain players have not allowed me to go inactive, coupled with my talking to Wyrm about this. So stop calling me effectively dead, Rae. You tried to kill someone you were convinced was a villager, and now you're promoting terribly anti-villager strategies. Village Rae doesn't say or do what you are doing, but that's okay, because you're not village. You're one of Lemon's converts, along with PK, and probably Araris (though possibly Seonid. I'm leaning towards Araris though). 7
Orlok Tsubodai Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 Wyrm has asked me to close the thread in his absence. As with Wyrm's precedent, players should refrain from PMing until the next turn is up in 24 hours time.
Wyrmhero he/him Posted October 26, 2017 Author Posted October 26, 2017 (edited) Day 6: Man of Straw Straw woke up to a pain in his chest, and a strange smell permeating his room. He opened his eyes, but it didn't seem to make things all that clearer. His candle had long since burnt out, and the only illumination was coming from the gap under the door. It gave everything a sort of haze, as though the room couldn't quite decide which way around it was going to be. He looked over towards the door, and then there was a sudden flash. Straw closed his eyes, but it was too late to protect them. Spots of light and darkness danced on the inside of his eyelids, and he winced, resisting the urge to rub at his eyes. He blinked a few times, and his eyesight slowly returned to normal. He carefully looked back over to the door, and was able to see a bright light flickering and waving at him. He pushed himself out of bed, groaning a bit at the pain in his chest. He coughed. Was it always this hard to breathe? Darkness masked his eyes even in front of the flame, and he batted it away, wisps of smoke dissipating as his hand cut through them. That would be why his lungs hurt, he realised, and why the room was spinning around. He coughed again, stumbling over to the door. He tripped on something in the darkness, but didn't get up. It was a good thing to be on the floor when there was smoke around. It was easier to breathe down here, and cooler. As he hit the floor, he realised what the fire was feeding on. Lying all around his room like a carpet were clumps of dried, dead plant matter. It crunched under his hand as he pushed himself up onto all-fours to crawl along to the door. "You're-" he coughed, and beat his hand against his chest to try and clear it. "You're kidding me. You're trying to murder me with straw?" The fire started to spread along the ground, finding plenty of fuel in its wake. He wondered when his attempted killer had managed to cover his room in the stuff, and how they'd even gotten in. He carefully pushed himself along to the door and reached up to unlock the door so he could leave. But there was one problem. The door certainly was locked, but the key was nowhere to be found. "Oh," he said, realising how that they'd gained access to the room. "You picked the lock and stole my key." He dropped to the ground so he could breath better, tossing the straw aside as quickly as he could. His hands hurt from the heat and the fire, but it ignored it as best he could; it was either that or start suffocating. His mind raced as he tried to figure another way out of the room. The window wasn't viable, the glass in this place was pretty solid and practically impossible to break. Maybe he could open it, get some more air in, but if they stole one key they would have stolen the window key as well. He'd have to get up and put his head in the smoke just to see if it was there, it would be a pretty big gamble which probably wouldn't pay off. There was a clatter from the other side of the doorway, followed by the sweeping of a foot on the stone floor. Metal rang as a key slipped through the gap between door and floor, before resting by Straw's hand. "You had a change of heart?" Straw asked, heart racing but thankful. Maybe they never intended to kill him, just to scare him. Well, they'd succeeded at that. It didn't mean he was feeling more leniant towards them though. He couldn't promise them the same mercy from himself at this point. He scrambled up to his feet and fit the key into the lock. He covered his mouth with his arm as he coughed. He twisted the key the wrong way first, then hurriedly tried the other way. He put the hand covering his face down to the doorhandle and pulled hard. The door didn't budge, and all he got was a sharp pain through his arm from his efforts. "W-what?" He coughed again, bringing his shaking hand up to look at the key. It was the wrong one. There was laughter on the other side of the door. "Y-you..." He spluttered, the key dropping out of his hand. "You bastard!" he yelled as he collapsed to the ground, every bit of strength left in him given over to his defiance. But he wasn't going to give up and die, not while he could still breathe the fresh air coming in from the corridor. Every second he survived was another second someone could potentially save him. The light from underneath the door started to disappear until it had all gone. Straw stretched out his hand, and prodded carefully. It was a soft fabric, but even as he tried to push it out of the way, it wouldn't budge. They'd locked him in and blocked off his only remaining air supply. Shadows danced in the light of the fire behind him, casting strange shapes on the wall. Sweat dripped down his forehead, splashing onto the stone. The room started to shimmer in and out of focus, and then, finally, it faded away for good. Straw was an Obligator! Night 5 has begun! It will end at 21:00 PM BST on Wednesday. There is still a Tineye alive, so PMs may be continue to be sent. Players Alrin (Arinian) Sheon, formerly of House Idris (Seonid) Locke, formerly of House Tekiel (Orlok Tsubodai) Eobard (Steeldancer) - Lurcher Straw (Straw) - Obligator Quintus, worldhopper (Jondesu) - Coinshot Hadrian, formerly of House Penrod (Araris Valerian) John (Shqueeves) Variel, ambitious and young (StrikerEZ) Marsh, but not that Marsh (Darkness Ascendant) Pix (Lemonelon) Jaina, obsessed with pandas (littlewilson) Sart (Sart) - Smoker Cyfna (Elbereth) Edguardo 'The Great', long on plans but short on money (Paranoid King) A Joe in the Bush - Rioter Armina, of House Handler (Arranae) Sony Mira (frozen Mint) - Tineye Rin (doc12) Gaskon Renaud, who may get around to procrastinating eventually (Amanuensis) - Obligator DarianHammersmith Droughtbringer Davus Nickel, formerly of House Izenry (Aonar Faileas) Quick Links: The Rules Day 1 Night 1 Day 2 Night 2 Day 3 Night 3 Day 4 Night 4 Day 5 Night 5 Day 6 Edited October 26, 2017 by Wyrmhero 8
Araris Valerian he/him Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Hey, sorry I wan't around much last cycle. My vote is going on Rae for now. I've been suspicious of her for a while but hesitant to vote on her because she was working to keep the game alive. I think her vote/Soothing on Wilson last cycle was beyond what a villager would honestly do though. I agree that for all intents and purposes Wilson appeared to be out of the game (although I hoped that wasn't the case), but that doesn't justify trying to actually kill her.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Despite my interactions with Rae last cycle, I think that I shall begin this cycle by voting on Lemonelon. These are Lemonelon's posts throughout the game: On 09/10/2017 at 11:53 AM, Lemonelon said: Pix was fuming after the announcement. A traitor in their midst!? She wished she wasn't so damned useless. It was her hotheadedness and drive that got her this sweet deal with the obligators, now someone was threatening to destroy what she worked so hard for. As much as she wanted to just start lynching every bloody one of them, she took a deep breath and resolved to wait until she could start killing mercilessly. no lynch I don't think this post is all that alignment indicative. Whilst it reduces information on her views, no lynch was a common vote at this point of the game. On 11/10/2017 at 11:11 PM, Lemonelon said: I reckon the mug is half full of coins from a day of begging NAI - RP. On 14/10/2017 at 10:41 AM, Lemonelon said: Based on this, I think we have 2 elims now. I don't have any suspicions on anyone as of yet. Lemonelon here refers to the absence of an N1 kill, as I recall. This post feels slightly suspicious to me, though, both in that it states the obvious, and thereby avoids the necessity for any alignment indicative information to be given, and due to her absence of engagement in discussion, again avoiding giving alignment indicative information. On 15/10/2017 at 6:28 PM, Lemonelon said: I'm finding it very hard to be suspicious of anyone in particular this early into the game. Let's see if Elims kill anyone tonight, that might give us a clue as to who they want in their team and who they want out of the game. As if I have it right, one person in the team can send in the kill which would leave the seer free to convert another person- assuming of course they converted someone N1. This reads very "off" to me. There's a not-quite-apology for not providing suspicions, and another statement of the situation. On 15/10/2017 at 10:24 PM, Lemonelon said: Okay, I believe my assessment at the end of N2 is correct. I reckon we are now dealing with 3 elims and with 3 villagers down we have almost 14% chance of killing one in this lynch. I'm going to kickstart the debate with Straw because he voted for Steeldancer D2 then retracted his vote, yet Steeldancer still died at the end of N2. Seems a bit suspicious to me. @Straw do you have any ideas why steeldancer died? I don't normally like using gut read, but the read I get from this is that the kill was placed deliberately to put suspicion on Straw, rather than anything else. On 15/10/2017 at 11:24 PM, Lemonelon said: That's fair. And I think you mentioned it when you voted. It's just a bit strange that the Elims took him out next cycle... Straw This feels like a Parthian shot of an attempt to cast suspicion on Straw (and get something out of the kill). On 17/10/2017 at 0:26 PM, Lemonelon said: PK I'm voting for you because you voted for me. Nothing more, nothing less. This is not a terribly sensible action for a villager to take - it's an excuse for voting, rather than actually placing thoughts in thread. On 21/10/2017 at 7:31 AM, Lemonelon said: Hi all, sorry for inactivity over last day. RL is crazy!! I'll go through the thread and put my thoughts down for you a bit later. Just popping in to say hi NAI On 25/10/2017 at 7:04 AM, Lemonelon said: Hi guys, I don't really have time for analysis of the game for the time being, so I'm mostly going to be lynching on gut feelings. I do think that we should start to kill off the inactive players though. I pointed out that I find this suspicious in the last day cycle, given it leads to lynches that provide no information, and lets the eliminators pick off the active players. I further think that Lemonelon's cooperative action with Rae early in the game is suspicious, believing Rae to be evil as I do, and think that the recent scan of her as non-allomantic is circumstantial evidence of her being the Seer.
little wilson she/her Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Tsk tsk, Orlok. You missed one: On 10/23/2017 at 2:44 AM, Lemonelon said: Okay, I wanted to go through the previous threads for quotes but I have no idea how to quote a different thread for this turn on mobile So... Wilson has been instrumental for the D2 and D3 lynches, showing no sign of remorse for those mislynches and continuing her line of thought. I don't think she is a seer but would definitely put her as N1 convert so Wilson [/color] Also, Lemon.
Lemonelon Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Haha!! Yes, @Orlok Tsubodai, I can't burn metals. So far there have been 2 non metal obligators killed. I'm not a traitor though, and not the seer either. If you think Rae is evil, that's who you should be voting on- I don't think she is though, just trying to progress the game. This lovely long post you made about me seems the kind of thing an Elim would do... And leaving it til now, perhaps you have been converted. So Orlok
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Sorry guys, I'm in a bit of a mess right now hahaha. Poor physical condition and I just want to sleep for a long time. I won't, because I don't do naps, but I think staring at a wall will do. Rae Too tired to do a long post, but she's our best bet in my opinion. I'm a bit confused at the focus on @Lemonelon tbh, but I have to admit some of her responses to the accusations and such have been quite confusing. I think we should take account her real life situation as well. It's kinda hectic, and Lemon's posts have always felt rushed and, no offence dear, but not thought out much, which is perfectly understandable. I probably won't be on much until I deem myself sufficiently well to put effort into this, so expect me perhaps in a day or two for proper posts, I'll drop in every now and again.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 @Lemonelon, I do, certainly, think Rae is evil, but also think you happen to be evil. Given this, I think I’m within my rights to vote for you. Would you explain why writing our suspicions is the “sort of thing an eliminator would do”, Lemon?
Lemonelon Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 27 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: @Lemonelon, I do, certainly, think Rae is evil, but also think you happen to be evil. Given this, I think I’m within my rights to vote for you. Would you explain why writing our suspicions is the “sort of thing an eliminator would do”, Lemon? Is "meta gaming" the right word? Last time your were an Elim, that's what you did. To me no less.
Orlok Tsubodai Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 23 minutes ago, Lemonelon said: Is "meta gaming" the right word? Last time your were an Elim, that's what you did. To me no less. Last time I were evil, Lemon, I mimicked being a village player. Is your argument that I ought never to express a suspicion, given it’s what I do when I’m evil?
Lemonelon Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 13 minutes ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: Is your argument that I ought never to express a suspicion, given it’s what I do when I’m evil? Absolutely, definitely, unequivocally yes. For now though, I think I'll be switching from Orlok to Rae so I will have a fighting chance!
Orlok Tsubodai Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, Lemonelon said: Absolutely, definitely, unequivocally yes. For now though, I think I'll be switching from Orlok to Rae so I will have a fighting chance! You vote from self preservation, rather than any belief in Rae being evil?
Lemonelon Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Orlok Tsubodai said: You vote from self preservation, rather than any belief in Rae being evil? She could be evil, you could be evil, I could be evil. You think I'm evil, you think she may be evil. Based on the assumption that you are village, you have mentioned her feeling off to you. So, as a good villager I will listen to that theory. Just so happens to even out the votes in myself in the process.
Sony Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Alright, it's almost the weekend, so I should be able to post more. I made some of my thoughts clear in my post in the last Day cycle. It's clear (at least to me) that Wilson is a villager, looking back at her last few posts. For most of the game I've had slight elim readings on both PK and Rae, but I'm less suspicious of Rae since I think she's just wanting to drive the discussion. And PK? They haven't posted in a while so I don't really have a reading on them anymore. For right now, Lemon. Mainly due to the reason that Orlok stated. There's no reason to lynch inactive players since that helps out the elims. My thoughts on Orlok? I have no idea. So I'd put him in the neutral category (As in I don't know whether he's village or elim). On one side, I want to believe that he's a villager. It seems to me like he's acting like one. However, the last game I played with Orlok, as he mentioned, he mimicked being a village player (quite well I might add). So, I'm having conflicted feelings.
Arraenae Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Up until now, Locke had not been touched, despite Armina's careful setup. That was fine. Armina had bigger plans now. Locke had become Regional Assistant Manager; Armina would become Regional Prelan. While all the others squabbled over who was more suspicious, Armina had slipped away. She crept to Waern's door and knelt to the crack between wood and floor. She pushed a small piece of paper into the crack. Like always, the stationary could be traced vack to House Tekiel, so any retaliation would fall on Locke, not Armina. I know what you have done, the note said. How does it feel, to know that you fathered a skaa child? For once, Armina allowed herself a wide smile as she imagined Waern's panic. Hopefully, it would make things more convincing when he was found dead in his own office -- by his own hand, of course. In the meantime, Armina would enjoy watching him squirm. 2
Araris Valerian he/him Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 Okay, It seems like there is some agreement that Rae is an eliminator. However, there also seems to be some reasoning not to lynch her. I'm fairly sure that Orlok is a villager. I think I even posted something defending his activity level earlier in the game. That makes me suspicious of both Lemon and Arinian for voting on him. However, I doubt that the elims would be voting as a team in a situation like this, which leads me to believe that Arinian and Lemon are not both eliminators. Of the two, I have definitely gotten more of an eliminator read from Arinian, although this is partly due to Lemon being relatively newer to SE and thus some of his less helpful actions can be justified by that.
little wilson she/her Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 This is Lemon's 4th game, and she's playing the MR, which is her 5th. She also almost single-handedly solved QF26. I wouldn't advise underestimating her abilities.
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 9 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: Okay, It seems like there is some agreement that Rae is an eliminator. However, there also seems to be some reasoning not to lynch her. I'm fairly sure that Orlok is a villager. I think I even posted something defending his activity level earlier in the game. That makes me suspicious of both Lemon and Arinian for voting on him. However, I doubt that the elims would be voting as a team in a situation like this, which leads me to believe that Arinian and Lemon are not both eliminators. Of the two, I have definitely gotten more of an eliminator read from Arinian, although this is partly due to Lemon being relatively newer to SE and thus some of his less helpful actions can be justified by that. I don't exactly understand your reasoning, I for one, think it slightly suspicious that @Orlok Tsubodai and @little wilson have both picked up on activity and they both happen to be pushing for a lynch on Lemon. I for one, can't really attribute Lemon's actions as "eliminatory", more highly strung up and defensive, which I don't blame her for considering her rl situation. Also, no other elims have been caught until now, and if I was an elim, I wouldn't behave like that on cycle 6, where the elims have a high possibility of winning regardless of me being lynched or not. Unless, of course, you two have some new information which has led you two to believe that @Lemonelon is an elim? That's what I suspect. If so, care to share it with the rest of us? I think it's best to do so, if this lynch turns out to have been misguided, it'll look bad on the two of you and I would strongly suspect you two to be relatively recent converts. 4 hours ago, little wilson said: This is Lemon's 4th game, and she's playing the MR, which is her 5th. She also almost single-handedly solved QF26. I wouldn't advise underestimating her abilities. In all of those games, I cannot say she had ever "lost her cool" so to speak. (No offence Lemon) Vote count: Rae; DA, Lemon Lemon; Orlok, Wilson, Sony Orlok; Arinian Arinian;Araris
Wyrmhero he/him Posted October 28, 2017 Author Posted October 28, 2017 GM announcement While I have been fairly lax about these things before, I am now saying that I require all PMs to contain me within them and to be on the forum from now on. Please do not discuss the game outside of this forum, and only do so on either the thread or through the PM system.
Lemonelon Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 Okay, so... Aside from QF26, i think my best game was the MR (can't remember number) black out when I was an Elim. Every game since, I've been villager and people want to lynch me thinking I'm an eliminator. I'm not, but you can lynch me and see for yourselves xx
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Lemonelon said: Okay, so... Aside from QF26, i think my best game was the MR (can't remember number) black out when I was an Elim. Every game since, I've been villager and people want to lynch me thinking I'm an eliminator. I'm not, but you can lynch me and see for yourselves xx How does that support you as a villager?
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