Kaladin Duelwielding?

[Radiant_Jaeger]

An idea I'm sure can't be original but now that Kaladin has an honorblade AND a spren will we see him duel wield with a sword and spear, because that would make me squee at the commencing bad*ssery 

*burns a thousand glyphwards in prayer for this to the great Brandon Sanderson* 

[Kinnsayyy]

I wonder how the Honorblade would affect his surgebinding, like would it be stronger? 

[Reborn radiant]

If I am not wrong, Kaladin left the honor blade with Dalinar. And also, there was a sample chapter released from oathbringer on tor. Spoilers for that:
 

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Kaladin goes to hearthstone and through out the way there is no mention of that honorblade anywhere. If kaladin bonded to the honorblade, then I am sure he would mention it atleast once.

Moreover, the honorblade grants windrunner powers, which Kaladin already has. I don't think he would keep the honorblade with him. (And he is not good with swords anyway)

[Toaster Retribution]

It would be pretty stupid for Kaladin to take the honorblade, sonce it can be used to basically get one extra Radiant. 

Also, Kaladin kind of needs to be toned down in my opinion. Having him dual-wield Shardblades would not do that.

That said, I too want to see someone dual-wielding Shards (not just Kal though).

[+Extesian]

It would be stronger but not much, not in the way a Misting spiked with the same power would. 

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QUESTION

If a non Windrunner picked up Jezrien's honorblade would they gain Windrunner powers as well?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Yes.

QUESTION

If a Windrunner picked up that blade, would their abilities be enhanced?

BRANDON SANDERSON

There would be some compounding but strength is not as much an issue with surgebinding as is the strength of the spren bond and how much Stormlight you are using.

 

[Radiant_Jaeger]

@Extesian It'd be cool if it reduced Stormlight needed as well as increased physique so Kal could hold his breath longer thus compounding the bang for his buck.

Id love to see a flying wind(running)mill of death lol

[king of nowhere]

dual wielding a two-meters sword and a spear? terribly impractical. if we go by D&D rules, it would be like a -13 to hit. if we go by real world rules, it's still terribly impractical, as both weapons need two hands to be used correctly. unless kaladin somehow grows another pair of hands....

[Ciridae]

I think it would be amazing if one of our other radiants would get their hands on it. Not necessarily Dalinar, because Adhesion overlaps, but imagine Jasnah with Transportation and Gravitation. If I understand Transportation correctly, she should be able to mix Gravitation with Transportation like she did while range-soulcasting the thugs in the alley. Just imagine what she could do, lashing thing together from afar, creating reverse lashing bubbles without having to touch the object.

Or better, imagine her with a Dustbringer blade: ranged division and abrasion. Not even mentioning the kinds of pranks she could play, she would be terrifying.

But until we see if transportation actually works that way (fingers crossed for Willshapers being extra cool), thats only speculation. 

[Starla]

I think Kaladin is the best person to bond it for safekeeping. No one else has the spren bond/oaths to keep its power in check. It won’t give him much extra power and he would probably never use it, but he could loan it out to whoever needs it for use in battle. He can re-summon it if that person goes rogue assassin or dies. This would prevent the enemy from getting it if they kill the person bearing it. 

Hopefully the heralds will get their acts together one day and he can give it back to Jezrien once he sobers up.

[Yata]

4 hours ago, Radiant_Jaeger said:

@Extesian It'd be cool if it reduced Stormlight needed as well as increased physique so Kal could hold his breath longer thus compounding the bang for his buck.

Id love to see a flying wind(running)mill of death lol

Well the Honorblade's Surgebinding is less efficient than his own, so probably it would not improve his Stormlight efficiency....so unlikely but hard to say.

1 hour ago, Starla said:

I think Kaladin is the best person to bond it for safekeeping. No one else has the spren bond/oaths to keep its power in check. It won’t give him much extra power and he would probably never use it, but he could loan it out to whoever needs it for use in battle. He can re-summon it if that person goes rogue assassin or dies. This would prevent the enemy from getting it if they kill the person bearing it. 

Hopefully the heralds will get their acts together one day and he can give it back to Jezrien once he sobers up.

I think honestly Dalinar would be a better safekeeping. He could add a bit to his surgebinding abilities (one of the Surges are already at this disposal) but He could manage to have a Shardblade to use aganist some aggression (notice that the guy with the Honorblade will be chased by the Stone Shaman for the Blade itself) and he could use it to activate the Oathgate of Urithuru if all the Radiants are far away.

[sir sprenalot]

Kaladin could totally dual wield the two, just have Syl become a shield rather than a spear. 

[AerionBFII]

I don't think my heart could take it if Kaladin's already epic fight scenes got even more intense...

[Weltall]

5 hours ago, Yata said:

and he could use it to activate the Oathgate of Urithuru if all the Radiants are far away.

I agree that Dalinar might be the best choice to bond the Honorblade but I just want to dispute this point. We don't know an Honorblade would work for an Oathgate any better than a dead Shardblade works (ie, not at all). It might be able to activate the gate but that depends on how the mechanism actually functions. I suspect we'll see them testing it out in Oathbringer because it would be an important thing to know.

EDIT: Apparently there is a WoB that they do work on Oathgates, so I retract my statement.

4 hours ago, sir sprenalot said:

Kaladin could totally dual wield the two, just have Syl become a shield rather than a spear. 

He could... except that he has no training in fighting with a shield so he'd really be better off just sticking with Syl the Shardspear who can occasionally become other things as needed. And as noted there's not much of a power boost to be had from a Radiant carrying the Honorblade corresponding to their Order so aside from bonding the blade to someone to keep it safe there's no real benefit to giving it to Kaladin vs. anyone else.

But giving a Radiant an Honorblade which grants non-overlapping Surges... well, I don't think we'll see it any time soon because Brandon still has to reveal a lot more about the existing Surges and known combinations but maybe later in the series we can see some Awesomeness happen from the pairing of unexpected Surges.

 

Edited April 27, 2017 by Weltall

[Radiant_Jaeger]

@Weltall We all know what you mean by awesomeness  Can you imagine a certain thief lashing an entire table of food towards her mouth?!

[The One Who Connects]

1 hour ago, Weltall said:

We don't know an Honorblade would work for an Oathgate any better than a dead Shardblade works (ie, not at all). [...] I suspect we'll see them testing it out in Oathbringer.

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While we're on this topic, I asked Brandon something related to the Honorblades, and got a neat little piece of information. I'd completely forgotten about it until today, but here you guys go.

There's minor Oathbringer spoilers, though, so open the spoiler at a small, small risk (considering that I didn't get RAFO'd, it's not really that significant).

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I can link to the post I'm quoting, but they didn't include a Reddit link. (Edit: And I can't find it)

Edited April 27, 2017 by The One Who Connects

[Weltall]

@The One Who Connects No worries, I'll take your word for it. Didn't know about that WoB, thanks for sharing it.

[Radiant_Jaeger]

On 9/18/2016 at 8:43 AM, The One Who Connects said:

I almost expect to find out at the end of Book 4 that Lopen has it.  I see it as fully within Brandon's writing capability to make it work.

On the assumption that Jezrien is still alive, the location of his Honorblade is going to be important.

As a side note, do you imagine giving Dalinar the Honorblade of an adjacent order (Double Adhesion) would make his Full Lashings stronger?  Edit: forgot about that WoB

 

On 9/18/2016 at 4:26 AM, goody153 said:

So as we know at the end of WoR after Kaladin defeated Szeth, he took the honorblade and after he presented it to Dalinar(where he got caught off because of Navani demanding if Kaladin had seen the King) we were left in the dark as to what Kaladin did with Jezrein's honorblade. Here are some possibilities that i've thought (some/most of them might be common theories)

1. Kaladin gave it to Dalinar and Dalinar just hid it somewhere in fear of the risk that another person might get a hold of it like Szeth did. 
2. Kaladin gave it to Dalinar in which he gave it to Elokhar or Adolin or somebody else. 
3. Kaladin informed Dalinar of it but they decided that Kaladin keeps and bonding with it but never ending up summoning it (cause he already has surgebinding and he has Syl for shardblade necessity which is just a better version than honorblades) which would probably also possibly explain as to why Kaladin ran out of Stormlight just by flying all the way from Urithru to Heartstone(just a they that Kaladin shoud've reached there without draining all of his stormlight) due to the more than normal amount of consumption due to the compouding effects of having both Windrunner and Honorblade stormlight usage.
4. Kaladin informed it Dalinar of it and Dalinar kept it (would be really useful since stormfather is unwilling to become his personal shardblade as the current time of the story) since he can't wield shardblades and it was under Kaladin's suggestion(also makes sense since Kaladin trusts him).
5. Wit stole it (unlikely cause he was found to be with Jasnah at the end).
6. Kaladin informed Dalinar about it and he made bridge four stash the blade for him.

Thoughts ? I'd like to hear about your theories as well if you have one. 

 

Lol to be completely fair, no one ever said he'd duel wield it with Syl so I hold on to the judgement that this post is original Also The Lopen is a fantastic canidate to have The Sword, and honestly who wouldn't read the interlude chapter called The Lopen and the Sword.

 

[Zeldan]

1 hour ago, Radiant_Jaeger said:

 

 

Lol to be completely fair, no one ever said he'd duel wield it with Syl so I hold on to the judgement that this post is original Also The Lopen is a fantastic canidate to have The Sword, and honestly who wouldn't read the interlude chapter called The Lopen and the Sword.

 

While I'm still in favor of "The Mighty Lopen" Kaladin could potentially carry the Honorblade and Syl as a Shardspear together which was actually done according historical sources, and we know how Brandon loves to add realistic elements to his stories. Below is an image of a two norse warriors, one holding a spear and drawing a sword, and the other wielding two spears, with yet another sword on his hip (I can barely comprehend how this would be a legitimate fighting style, definitely chaotic, but it must have had potential if someone actually took the time to document it in multiple areas):

 

As for additional benefits of carrying an Honorblade, and having a Nahel bond of the same surges, my guess would be that less Stormlight would be required, and so more powerful surgebindings can be used with much less effort/spheres, plus you have two weapons with the ability to cut through basically anything, which is always an advantage.

Now to combat what I just said with a single query: Is there more potential in a single individual carrying two weapons of this caliber, with surgebinding(overlapping abilities, or up to a total of 4 different surges), in two individuals, each with their own weapon and surges?

For my personal thought on the matter, I think it's better to have two separate warriors, especially in the case of having 4 surges, because the more powers one has access to, the less time one can spend perfecting any one of your abilities. Many of the Mistings from the Mistborn series are perfect examples of this, such as Breeze, or Spook, who were by far more powerful than any Mistborn with their abilities(yes, I know these were not as useful in a combative situation, but this is merely an example of skill mastery, and I'm also not including the use of Duralumin, since that skews everything, making even exceptionally weak mistborn insanely powerful when burning any metal). Another reason, is that, on the battlefield, it would probably be better to have two people able to carve a path through the enemy, rather than just one who can do it more efficiently. Still, who could possibly deny that it would be totally EPIC if it was dual wielded by a Radiant?

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[Farnsworth]

About the shield, I think when he gets his plate, he won't need a shield. Although what would be really interesting is if Shallan got the sword. Her powers are completely different, so she would essentially have four different surges. What would happen if somebody got all ten blades? Would they become like TLR?

[+Extesian]

41 minutes ago, Figberts said:

About the shield, I think when he gets his plate, he won't need a shield. Although what would be really interesting is if Shallan got the sword. Her powers are completely different, so she would essentially have four different surges. What would happen if somebody got all ten blades? Would they become like TLR?

Without Honor as a direct investiture conduit  you would need a LOT of spheres! Honor blades are already less efficient with storm light. I think another affect would be no longer getting resonance, just like TLR didn't get resonances because he was using too  many powers. 

We also know that the pairs of surges are natural to Roshar so I'm not sure you would be able to combine non-matching surges (though you could use, say, 4 of them, you wouldn't get resonance from two non-matching pairs - that's my hunch though).

It'd still be storming awesome though!

[Droughtbringer]

15 hours ago, Radiant_Jaeger said:

@Extesian It'd be cool if it reduced Stormlight needed as well as increased physique so Kal could hold his breath longer thus compounding the bang for his buck.

Id love to see a flying wind(running)mill of death lol

I actually talked to Brandon about this at a signing, he said that the Honorblade would actually decrease efficiency, but provide a minor compounded esq bonus, but nothing major,

[Radiant_Jaeger]

3 hours ago, DroughtBringer said:

I actually talked to Brandon about this at a signing, he said that the Honorblade would actually decrease efficiency, but provide a minor compounded esq bonus, but nothing major,

damnation! Then in this case I hope they give it to one of the bridgemen

Edited April 28, 2017 by Radiant_Jaeger

[Droughtbringer]

 

34 minutes ago, Radiant_Jaeger said:

damnation! Then in this case I hope they give it to one of the bridgemen

I might be misremebering the conversation though.

[Argent]

Fun fact: Amaram used to dual wield Shardblades in The Way of Kings Prime.

[Zennix]

Personally, I don't think Kaladin will give the Honorblade to someone who isn't a Herald. He has already learnt his lesson about giving powerful weapons to the wrong people and the damage they can can (Moash and Szeth). Just imagine if he had given Moash an Honorblade instead a Shardblade. He's definitely not giving it to a random Bridgman. Did I hear Adolin?! He doesn't even know who Jasnah is! 

I think that he'd rather hide it until he can give to the real owner. He wouldn't want people to find out that there is an easy way to acquire Surgebinding abilities. Remember Roshar is infested with so many morally ambiguous secret organizations (Ghostbloods, Sons of Honor, The Diagram etc).

He may not even give it to Dalinar. Remember that Dalinar isn't really the boss of the Knight Radiants. Each order has its own hierarchy and ways of doing things.