Kaladin Duelwielding?

[AerionBFII he/him]

I think Kal will keep the Honour Blade, theres no safer place.

 

On a more important note.....What about a Shard Bow and Arrow? Pretty handy if you could just keep re-summoning your ammo  

[Weltall]

22 minutes ago, AerionBFII said:

On a more important note.....What about a Shard Bow and Arrow? Pretty handy if you could just keep re-summoning your ammo  

This has been asked of Brandon and he's said that it's technically possible to make a Shard-weapon in multiple parts but not easily, it's not particularly useful and the spren wouldn't like it very much. He likened it to turning a hyrdogen atom into one of plutonium using current technology, maybe doable but so ridiculously expensive to not be worth it.

Now, we know that some Radiants did make their spren into bows (it's mentioned in Edgedancer) but you'd need to carry string and arrows separately. Making the spren into an arrow wouldn't be all that effective on its own because you need to hit the center of a limb to disable it or hit the spine to kill something, otherwise the arrow just passes right through you with limited effect, where an ordinary arrow will do serious damage going in and present a continuing risk until it can be safely removed. There's also the question of just how far away a Radiant and their spren can get before it affects the Nahel Bond.

[Yata he/him]

11 hours ago, AerionBFII said:

I think Kal will keep the Honour Blade, theres no safer place.

I can't see why Kaladin will be the safer Place honestly.

We have plenty of Radiants in a safe Place Who could also get benefit for the Blade.

Much more I think Brandon largery implied in a WoB that the Honorblade stayed at urithuru (personally I think in Dalinar's hands)

Edited April 29, 2017 by Yata

[+Extesian he/him]

1 hour ago, Yata said:

I can't see why Kaladin will be the safer Place honestly.

We have plenty of Radiants in a safe Place Who could also get benefit for the Blade.

Much more I think Brandon largery implied in a WoB that the Honorblade stayed at urithuru (personally I think in Dalinar's hands)

I feel this WoB makes it pretty clear Kaladin still has the Windrunner Honorblade?

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QUESTION

Would it be safe to assume that Kaladin is also carrying the Honorblade? Because that makes the most sense to me.

BRANDON SANDERSON

Which Honorblade?

QUESTION

The one from Szeth.

BRANDON SANDERSON

That is... He's not.

QUESTION

That surprises me, because to me that would be the best- That would make the most sense.

BRANDON SANDERSON

That would be sneaky of me. But that's not the case.

QUESTION

So he actually has an Honorblade, since you asked which one.

BRANDON SANDERSON

He took Szeth's. So he has that one. Oh! I thought you meant Taln's, I thought. He does not have Taln's. He has Szeth's.. Yes he has Szeth’s.

QUESTION

I'm assuming he found that one, because that made the most sense to keep it safe

BRANDON SANDERSON

He’s got Szeth’s, that is true. ... Sorry, I assumed you meant Taln's. Taln's is gone.

QUESTION

Yeah. Taln's vanished off the face of the planet! I'm assuming Hoid grabbed that one, actually.

BRANDON SANDERSON

That is one of the prevailing theories and not one that is unreasonable.

QUESTION

Well, considering. That was the one, because you had mentioned last time you were here that you could have both, and I was like, "okay, so that means he’s got Szeth's sword."

I suppose it depends on what point of time he's talking about - if there's a WoB saying it remained in Urithiru i could believe Brandon is talking about before Kaladin leaves. But that definitely sounds to me like Kaladin still carries it. 

[Yata he/him]

37 minutes ago, Extesian said:

I feel this WoB makes it pretty clear Kaladin still has the Windrunner Honorblade?

I suppose it depends on what point of time he's talking about - if there's a WoB saying it remained in Urithiru i could believe Brandon is talking about before Kaladin leaves. But that definitely sounds to me like Kaladin still carries it. 

I meant because we know they will try to use the Honorblade for the Oathgate and I think (for not any relavant reason) Kaladin would remain far from Urithuru for most of the book.

But to be honest I see no point from him to carry around the Honorblade, except He didn't tell Dalinar of the Honorblade, but He arrived with the Blade on his shoulder so I think it's unlikely nobody notice it

Edited April 29, 2017 by Yata

[+Extesian he/him]

2 hours ago, Yata said:

I meant because we know they will try to use the Honorblade for the Oathgate and I think (for not any relavant reason) Kaladin would remain far from Urithuru for most of the book.

But to be honest I see no point from him to carry around the Honorblade, except He didn't tell Dalinar of the Honorblade, but He arrived with the Blade on his shoulder so I think it's unlikely nobody notice it

Yeah my mistake was I was thinking of 'now' being (Oathbringer spoilers)

 

Spoiler

with Kaladin in his way home, but of course that's part of Oath bringer not WoR. So you're right, Kaladin has it at Urithiru but that doesn't mean he'll take it when he leaves. 

 

Edited April 29, 2017 by Extesian
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[Radiant_Jaeger he/him]

22 hours ago, Zennix said:

Personally, I don't think Kaladin will give the Honorblade to someone who isn't a Herald. He has already learnt his lesson about giving powerful weapons to the wrong people and the damage they can can (Moash and Szeth). Just imagine if he had given Moash an Honorblade instead a Shardblade. He's definitely not giving it to a random Bridgman. Did I hear Adolin?! He doesn't even know who Jasnah is! 

I think that he'd rather hide it until he can give to the real owner. He wouldn't want people to find out that there is an easy way to acquire Surgebinding abilities. Remember Roshar is infested with so many morally ambiguous secret organizations (Ghostbloods, Sons of Honor, The Diagram etc).

He may not even give it to Dalinar. Remember that Dalinar isn't really the boss of the Knight Radiants. Each order has its own hierarchy and ways of doing things. 

I certainly hope he doesn't give it to a freaking herald, since they're all insane jerks (except my man Taln) because we all know how great another Naln would be for the world...

No way will he give it to one of treacherous slimes! Gah! Much better to leave it to someone who isn't a traitor to mankind

[AerionBFII he/him]

Can Kaladin still summon it? I can recall vaguely BS saying in a WOB being in possession of both would enable minor compounding. I'd still say the safest place for it would be in Kaladins possession.

[Erandeni he/him]

11 hours ago, Yata said:

personally I think in Dalinar's hands

I agree with you, letting Dalinar kept the honorblade would be the logical option, he could defend himself against shardbearers and we could see what happends if a surge overlap.

But, how much Dalinar know about the Honorblade? IIRC he knows that it will grant Windrunner´s powers, but he doesn't know that it woudn't scream in his mind if he bonds it, so he may be reluctant to bonds it.

[Yata he/him]

54 minutes ago, Idealistic Mistborn said:

But, how much Dalinar know about the Honorblade? IIRC he knows that it will grant Windrunner´s powers, but he doesn't know that it woudn't scream in his mind if he bonds it, so he may be reluctant to bonds it.

First of all Dalinar could simply ask things to Stormfather at the next lap, then Kal arrived without trouble with the Honorblade on his shoulder, I think it's quite explicit he was not in pain. Then is just sperimentation, Dalinar know the Stormfather will not become a Shard from him and the Nahel Bond will stop him from hold a regular Shardblade. Maybe it's not the most curious man, but it's pragmatic....A tool is a tool.

Anyway this digression on Dalinar is Off Topic, I am sorry

[Radiant_Jaeger he/him]

@Yata I wonder if the storm father would have issues with Dalinar using an honorblade.. maybe he'd think that only the heralds should be using them which would also be interesting for Kaladin and Syl's relationship if he kept the sword. Would she get jealous?

[Zeldan he/him]

On 4/29/2017 at 1:19 PM, Radiant_Jaeger said:

@Yata I wonder if the storm father would have issues with Dalinar using an honorblade.. maybe he'd think that only the heralds should be using them which would also be interesting for Kaladin and Syl's relationship if he kept the sword. Would she get jealous?

I think this mostly depends on the nature of the Honorblades. As we now know, Spren are the Shardblades themselves. What we do not know is if this holds true for the Honorblades. If they are connected directly to a Spren, or Honor himself(before he was "killed"), then I don't think that the Stormfather would permit Dalinar to wield it. Syl might be more yielding, however I doubt she would like it. If they are merely solidified forms of investiture however, then I see no reason why he couldn't keep the weapon, but honestly, I don't really think that we will be seeing nearly as much aggressive action from Dalinar in the future, as he is becoming more of a political leader of the new order, as opposed to a military general, and so he will not have as much need of a weapon of this caliber. For him, it may just become an exceptionally deadly paperweight. Better if it were given to someone on the front line.

[Radiant_Jaeger he/him]

53 minutes ago, Zeldan said:

I think this mostly depends on the nature of the Honorblades. As we now know, Spren are the Shardblades themselves. What we do not know is if this holds true for the Honorblades. If they are connected directly to a Spren, or Honor himself(before he was "killed"), then I don't think that the Stormfather would permit Dalinar to wield it. Syl might be more yielding, however I doubt she would like it. If they are merely solidified forms of investiture however, then I see no reason why he couldn't keep the weapon, but honestly, I don't really think that we will be seeing nearly as much aggressive action from Dalinar in the future, as he is becoming more of a political leader of the new order, as opposed to a military general, and so he will not have as much need of a weapon of this caliber. For him, it may just become an exceptionally deadly paperweight. Better if it were given to someone on the front line.

I really want to see him in shardplate again though lol! Because of how he's so natural in it! This is a cool idea about the Honorblades and their "aliveness"

[+Extesian he/him]

1 hour ago, Zeldan said:

I think this mostly depends on the nature of the Honorblades. As we now know, Spren are the Shardblades themselves. What we do not know is if this holds true for the Honorblades. If they are connected directly to a Spren, or Honor himself(before he was "killed"), then I don't think that the Stormfather would permit Dalinar to wield it. Syl might be more yielding, however I doubt she would like it. If they are merely solidified forms of investiture however, then I see no reason why he couldn't keep the weapon, but honestly, I don't really think that we will be seeing nearly as much aggressive action from Dalinar in the future, as he is becoming more of a political leader of the new order, as opposed to a military general, and so he will not have as much need of a weapon of this caliber. For him, it may just become an exceptionally deadly paperweight. Better if it were given to someone on the front line.

This is just a guess, but I think spren have a choice about bonding, but once they're bonded I'm not sure they can just tell the KR not to do something. The threshold is simply whether it breaks the oaths. So even if the Stormfather doesn't like it maybe he can't do much about it? I'm open to any corrections of that though.

[Radiant_Jaeger he/him]

4 minutes ago, Extesian said:

This is just a guess, but I think spren have a choice about bonding, but once they're bonded I'm not sure they can just tell the KR not to do something. The threshold is simply whether it breaks the oaths. So even if the Stormfather doesn't like it maybe he can't do much about it? I'm open to any corrections of that though.

Iyeah because Syl never warns Kaladin not to help Moash because it'll kill her. I think the spren CANT tell Them about it.

[Zeldan he/him]

1 minute ago, Radiant_Jaeger said:

I really want to see him in shardplate again though lol! Because of how he's so natural in it! This is a cool idea about the Honorblades and their "aliveness"

I do think that we will still see him in physical confrontations in the future, albeit less often, and you may not have to worry too much. The Shardblades are the dead Spren, however Shardplate is not, so the Stormfather might allow him to wear plate, and who knows, maybe the Stormfather will loosen up after a few books lol.

I am definitely looking forward to more information on the Honorblades, and I'm sure we'll find out a lot more in Oathbringer. Can't wait for November!

5 minutes ago, Extesian said:

This is just a guess, but I think spren have a choice about bonding, but once they're bonded I'm not sure they can just tell the KR not to do something. The threshold is simply whether it breaks the oaths. So even if the Stormfather doesn't like it maybe he can't do much about it? I'm open to any corrections of that though.

I'm not entirely sure if a Spren has a choice about bonding or not. It seemed almost as though the Stormfather was forced into it when Dalinar said the words, even somewhat defiant. This is merely interpretation however, and flimsy at best. As for what they are capable of doing once bonded, I'm pretty sure that they have absolute control over the form that take on, thus the ability to transform into a shardblade, but I'm unsure as to whether or not they can restrict surge usage. Seeing as Kaladin did lose his ability to surgebind temporarily when he wasn't following his oaths, this could either be directly tied to following the Ideals, or it might be directly controlled by the Spren, and their perception of how the Ideals are being followed. We'll have to wait and see I guess.