Long Game 30: Journey Before Destination

[Shqueeves]

Inactive people don't contribute to the discussion, so there's no reason to keep them around

[Magestar he/him]

1 hour ago, Arraenae said:

What is it with this obsession over "actives"? The Unjust can be active too. Confirmed active does not mean confirmed good. I like to focus on people that I can hear. Other people might not.

I'm voting for Arionium (Arinian) to be interrogated because of his certainty. A lot of the things he says doesn't add up. The Almighty (Aman) was pretty clear when he said what was honorable and what wasn't. I don't see how a "visual lie" would change his mind. Padding out discussion with filler questions is more like what an Unjust would do.

Not sure obsession is the right word there.   It seems a bit over the top, considering.  You're right about activity, though, at least partially.  Confirmed active does not mean confirmed good.  But the unjust can also afford to lurk.  They can just sit back and watch us kill each other while we target the only active people; villagers.  So while I do like to focus on people I can hear, I can't always do what I want, because sometimes the Elims are lurking.  And, right now, Arinian's imprisonment doesn't really trump killing inactives in my book.

I realize this isn't a reason for imprisoning quiver, however, so I will take my vote off of him.

I don't have a problem with your reasoning on that last bit, either.

[Arinian]

1 hour ago, Arraenae said:

What is it with this obsession over "actives"? The Unjust can be active too. Confirmed active does not mean confirmed good. I like to focus on people that I can hear. Other people might not.

I'm voting for Arionium (Arinian) to be interrogated because of his certainty. A lot of the things he says doesn't add up. The Almighty (Aman) was pretty clear when he said what was honorable and what wasn't. I don't see how a "visual lie" would change his mind. Padding out discussion with filler questions is more like what an Unjust would do.

My certainty? You damnation all will bring this point? I said many times that I NOT certain but I don't have other reasons WHY there should be OTHER number of elims. Say me why you think that there should be other number or your point is trash? 

Also I can see why Alv is elim, it's usual for him ask many questions, isn't it? And he said that he have 3 pages dialogue in GM's PM, so you think he didn't get rule clarification about how many kills or interogates elims can do in one turn? And that the only point on which he pushed, how I so sure that elims can do that number of interogates or kills. Why push on that if he knew that I'm right or you not asked this question Alv?

Alvron. 

 

[Doc12]

 

12 hours ago, Drake Marshall said:

Well, Hithon's safe for now I guess... I refuse to let him escape into death before I question him about the Ghostbloods.

Drake, your RP makes me really, really happy  

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1. Aman, you're going to have your work cut out for you integrating all our stories into a coherent writeup  (At least, if that's the path you take. It would be interesting to have one integrated story from Kal's point of view.)

2. 

5 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Believe me. I've got bigger plans than another greatshell for Chapter Four...

4 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Psh. Wait until the sequel before you say that

(Hithon suddenly feels the extreme urge to drop his weapons and run away screaming like a little girl)

...Aman, You're a sociopath. Calling it now, we're going to face Odium himself at one point. Five emerald broams and a drink says so. 

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Now on to analysis. ..

So firstly, we're just letting Sheep be? From my count, there are 2 votes to kill and none to pardon. Thing is...What do we have to gain from letting Sheep live? I've looked at the arguments, and perhaps the main point is that Sheep may be a villager, and if so, they count as one more that the Unjust have to kill. That's it... the argument for killing Sheep is that we get to know their alignment (Although to be honest that doesn't tell us much, as it was a lynch decided upon by the village in general) and the possibility that Sheep may be an inactive eliminator that can still be used. 

Right now, we're doing absolutely nothing with Sheep. Are we just going to let them be?

12 hours ago, DroughtBringer said:

Hmm okay, so I can't see much suspicious things going on except for everything with @Arinian but I don't see much of a reason to go after him quite yet...but we also need something to happen...so I guess I'll toss my vote there. Arinian 

Disclaimer: I might get called out for bandwagon-ing, but I am fine with that.

Calling you out for bandwagoning  

11 hours ago, Ecthelion III said:

While y'all are using your deductive reasoning, I'm looking at it from a different angle with inductive reasoning. What attributes are the eliminators likely to have?

• Wanting to waste the interrogation on the people who dropped out - because seriously, HOW does that help us IN ANY WAY? (Especially because the original Unjust win condition was for them to outnumber the free Honorable.)
• At least one or two of them getting the maximum number of Honor each cycle.
• Wanting to interrogate a) the more active players, b( the players with the most honor, or c) the players who have already accrued some suspicion. Statistically the third vote on a villager is most likely to be an eliminator (thank you internet!) and I've definitely seen that trend in past games.

Pointing out that your first and third points contradict. Your first point says that they would like to focus the lynch on Sheep and Quiver, while your third point says that they will be wanting to focus the lynch on players with honor or suspicion. Which one do you think is more likely? As to your second point, there have been approximately 10 players gaining maximum honor for the past two cycles, by my count. Doesn't really help narrow it down. But for responding, I'll be taking my vote off you. 

10 hours ago, Jondesu said:

To respond to a few of those asking about me, I did go ahead and claim villager a couple times, mostly just offhandedly referring to it as opposed to previous games. If anyone had ever played with me IRL, I like doing that, no matter which team I'm on, so don't take it as a sign of anything.  I did it some in the previous games I've played, I think, though admittedly not as thickly laid on early as this game.  It just got stuck in my head a bit so I repeated it in a few places, including my PM with Doc.  Also, Doc, now that I'm up and functioning a bit better, I'll send you the names I calculated had not gained Honor that first cycle, and I have to count up the latest ones too.  I suspect there's some differences simply in what each of us decided sufficed for discussion, which is up to Aman's discretion in the end, so our reckoning may never be exact.

Thanks for responding to this, Jon. I admit, I was latching to this simply because I haven't had any other leads so far. I'll back off on my suspicion of you for now. 

3 hours ago, Arinian said:

Applause, lynch me because I just was active, and put some ideas. Nice, ohh and best part of this lynch that I can't defend myself cause reasons on lynching me... hmmm there no reasons that's just cause "nothing happening", and Lopen's "I voted for Alv"(I even don't understand how it makes me elim so please give me answer atleast).

Anyway you all proving my theory, meta on this forum leads to death of active players when everyone else stays aside and just makes vision of activity.

Well, Arin. I don't think it's a matter of who's active or inactive. In this game, almost everyone is fairly active. I personally don't think that the others are voting on you because you're active and asking questions. They're voting on you because your posts themselves seem suspicious. So what I'm trying to say is, don't blame the meta of this forum for why you're being voted on? Because it probably isn't.

I do wonder, though, at the speed that Arin accrued so many votes. Sure, there was Alv's vote on him early in the cycle, but the last five votes all came within the last 14 hours. That really is quite fast. First was Rae voting because she feels that a lot of what Arin says doesn't add up. Joe and Lopen vote on him for his certainty of Unjust numbers in a game where no one can afford to be too certain. Lopen has the additional reason of Arin voting on Alv directly after he posts his thoughts that Arin and Alv might be teammates. Drought bandwagons unabashedly. Randuir decides to vote on Arin to prevent a draw. 

Also, to note, Joe brings up something that I've overlooked, that Alv said he had been asking many questions in his GM PM, even as he's asking lots of questions here. @Alvron, care to clarify this?

Back to the Arin lynch, what I wanted to note was that these votes came pretty fast. it feels too much like a bandwagon to draw attention away from the other prominent lynch candidate.  :/ Something doesn't feel right about this lynch. For that I'm going to throw my vote at Quiver.

[Arinian]

7 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Well, Arin. I don't think it's a matter of who's active or inactive. In this game, almost everyone is fairly active. I personally don't think that the others are voting on you because you're active and asking questions. They're voting on you because your posts themselves seem suspicious. So what I'm trying to say is, don't blame the meta of this forum for why you're being voted on? Because it probably isn't.

You right question not in who is active or inactive. I think I should formulate my thought in other way. People who trying to add some thoughts about ways to catch elims, number of elims, etc usually gathering suspicions on them much faster then others and so becoming lynch target more often(I even can bring atleast one example).

[Ecthelion III he/him]

Sorry @Doc12, let me clarify:

I can only assume that the eliminators can get behind interrogating the 2 inactives since it's a waste of the interrogation, but for the rest of the game (thinking ahead here), they would naturally go for the players who are generally active and have more Honor. While this doesn't narrow it down incredibly much, my instincts say it would be wise to be more suspicious of votes on someone like Jondesu or Lopen than, say, Elbereth.

RP to come!

[Magestar he/him]

5 hours ago, Doc12 said:

So firstly, we're just letting Sheep be? From my count, there are 2 votes to kill and none to pardon. Thing is...What do we have to gain from letting Sheep live? I've looked at the arguments, and perhaps the main point is that Sheep may be a villager, and if so, they count as one more that the Unjust have to kill. That's it... the argument for killing Sheep is that we get to know their alignment (Although to be honest that doesn't tell us much, as it was a lynch decided upon by the village in general) and the possibility that Sheep may be an inactive eliminator that can still be used. 

Right now we're doing nothing with Sheep.  Are we just going to let them be?

I actually don't mind lynching Sheep.  I don't see a problem with it, and it will gain us more through information then we'll get in protection late game, in my opinion.

5 hours ago, Doc12 said:

Also, to note, Joe brings up something that I've overlooked, that Alv said he had been asking many questions in his GM PM, even as he's asking lots of questions here. @Alvron, care to clarify this?

I wouldn't be surprised if he's asking them in his GM PM, and then asking them again here to do some weird suspicion allaying or info redirecting stuff.  Like, he finds out things in his GM PM, then asks only select ones here in order to lead us astray.

Alv is an Elim, confirmed.  

Seriously, though, I wouldn't be surprised.  It could just be a way of revealing proven, instant, info, no questions.  It makes sense, to an extent.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

So are we assuming that the chasmfiend is good as dead? Because I am contemplating on having Sareth lie there, in the chasm, unconscious, until either the chasmfiend is truly dead (which might come in the next writeup), or until someone drags him out. I have a good idea for RP once he wakes up, but I want to have the other players interact with this. I am totally fine with waiting for Aman's next great writeup to revive my character.

On another note, next cycle we are probably going to have a bunch more Bonds popping up. If two Bonds have already been made, then there is a good chance that the rest of the Orders will not be much more expensive. Then we start getting those interesting abilities showing up. Things will really start getting interesting once random people burst into flame. Let's just hope the Dustbringers are accurate.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

10 minutes ago, Magestar said:

I actually don't mind lynching Sheep.  I don't see a problem with it, and it will gain us more through information then we'll get in protection late game, in my opinion.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's asking them in his GM PM, and then asking them again here to do some weird suspicion allaying or info redirecting stuff.  Like, he finds out things in his GM PM, then asks only select ones here in order to lead us astray.

Alv is an Elim, confirmed.  

Seriously, though, I wouldn't be surprised.  It could just be a way of revealing proven, instant, info, no questions.  It makes sense, to an extent.

"That is exactly what i think Naihar is doing. Especially since the one's he asked publicly were shot down as not working. He looks like he's finding a way to help hunt the unjust, but only puts forward plans he's secretly learned don't work."

[Arinian]

Well as I see there not gonna be change in votes so I will just try to save myself(and I'm not sure if I will get here till rollover). Quiver

[Alvron]

6 hours ago, Arinian said:

Also I can see why Alv is elim, it's usual for him ask many questions, isn't it? And he said that he have 3 pages dialogue in GM's PM, so you think he didn't get rule clarification about how many kills or interogates elims can do in one turn? And that the only point on which he pushed, how I so sure that elims can do that number of interogates or kills. Why push on that if he knew that I'm right or you not asked this question Alv?

Alvron. 

I didn't ask about how many kills/scan per cycle the elims got until this cycle as I (stupidly) went by every other game that has been played and assumed that it was one faction action per cycle.

5 hours ago, Doc12 said:

Also, to note, Joe brings up something that I've overlooked, that Alv said he had been asking many questions in his GM PM, even as he's asking lots of questions here. @Alvron, care to clarify this?

Yes, it's true.  I always ask a bunch of questions in my GM PM as well as thread.  I like to keep certain information out of the elims (or village) hands depending on what side I'm on.  The ones I ask in thread are normally ones that I think everyone should know the answer to.

9 minutes ago, Magestar said:

I wouldn't be surprised if he's asking them in his GM PM, and then asking them again here to do some weird suspicion allaying or info redirecting stuff.  Like, he finds out things in his GM PM, then asks only select ones here in order to lead us astray.

Alv is an Elim, confirmed.  

Seriously, though, I wouldn't be surprised.  It could just be a way of revealing proven, instant, info, no questions.  It makes sense, to an extent.

Nah, I see that as a waste of the GMs time.  If I have already asked a question in a PM then I will just tell the thread the answer and leave it to everyone else to decide if they believe me or not.

If you want to know the jist of what I'm asking in PMs, then all you have to do is ask.  

For instance, I've asked if a Windrunner can block someone from investing their honour or stop someone from feeding their spren honour.  I kept that secret because if the Unjust got a Windrunner and the answer was yes, then they suddenly had a way to break the bonds of other Radiants.  I don't know about you but that sounds like a really bad thing for them to have.  Thankfully Windrunners can't do that.

[Magestar he/him]

15 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

So are we assuming that the chasmfiend is good as dead? Because I am contemplating on having Sareth lie there, in the chasm, unconscious, until either the chasmfiend is truly dead (which might come in the next writeup), or until someone drags him out. I have a good idea for RP once he wakes up, but I want to have the other players interact with this. I am totally fine with waiting for Aman's next great writeup to revive my character.

That's a good point.   I'll work on Balthazar slicing his way out of it's dead carcass, but it might not be up till tomorrow.

[Arinian]

6 minutes ago, Alvron said:

I didn't ask about how many kills/scan per cycle the elims got until this cycle as I (stupidly) went by every other game that has been played and assumed that it was one faction action per cycle.

But you still suspecting me cause I knew it?(even if Assassin asked that question on signing. And interesting why Assassin didn't said that I'm right in it? Assassin you want to see me in jail  ?)

Ahh and also about my certanity of elims number I just "went by every other game that has been played" by me and assumed.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

9 hours ago, Arinian said:

Applause, lynch me because I just was active, and put some ideas. Nice, ohh and best part of this lynch that I can't defend myself cause reasons on lynching me... hmmm there no reasons that's just cause "nothing happening", and Lopen's "I voted for Alv"(I even don't understand how it makes me elim so please give me answer atleast).

Anyway you all proving my theory, meta on this forum leads to death of active players when everyone else stays aside and just makes vision of activity.

Sorry, I did explain my reasoning in an earlier post though, so I thought you already knew my logic about that... But since it appears you don't, I'll explain again. I accused you and Alvron of being Unjust teammates. Just about an hour earlier, you voted on Alvron. The way I see it, it could be that you wanted to kill Alvron or at least appear like you wanted to kill Alvron to try and prove to me or anyone else that you weren't teammates with him. Which, IMO, most villagers wouldn't try and do(vote on another player even though they're not really suspicious of them just to prove that they aren't an eliminator with that player). Maybe I'm wrong about that, but that was my logic.

Also, just thought about something. Inactive eliminators can be controlled by their teammates. Sooooo, lynching inactives isn't quite as pointless as usual, though I still prefer to actually have a lynch than just saying "let's lynch an inactive."

More thoughts later...probably.  Oh, and Sheep.

[Alvron]

Just now, Arinian said:

But you still suspecting me cause I knew it?(even if Assassin asked that question on signing. And interesting why Assassin didn't said that I'm right in it? Assassin you want to see me in jail  ?)

No, I no longer suspect you because of that.  But your vote on me last cycle right after Lopen says we're teammates did raise a red flag for me and that put you at the top of my suspicion list.  You have lowered but are still my top suspect.  Although I am once again considering voting for Quiver as I'm not a fan of inactives and with the ruling that inactive numbers count towards the total numbers needed for executions/pardons, it makes sense to me to remove them sooner rather than later.

[Jondesu he/him]

26 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

So are we assuming that the chasmfiend is good as dead? Because I am contemplating on having Sareth lie there, in the chasm, unconscious, until either the chasmfiend is truly dead (which might come in the next writeup), or until someone drags him out. I have a good idea for RP once he wakes up, but I want to have the other players interact with this. I am totally fine with waiting for Aman's next great writeup to revive my character.

On another note, next cycle we are probably going to have a bunch more Bonds popping up. If two Bonds have already been made, then there is a good chance that the rest of the Orders will not be much more expensive. Then we start getting those interesting abilities showing up. Things will really start getting interesting once random people burst into flame. Let's just hope the Dustbringers are accurate.

Kintas will come save you! It'll just take me a couple hours probably to be ready to sit down and write the RP for that.

And yes, I'm looking forward to seeing what people will do with the spren bonds, though I'm worried the Elims will get the dangerous ones. Hopefully we have those locked by villagers soon, though we've got a ton of players with the same amount of Honor, so there might not be much we can do for now.

[Arinian]

1 minute ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Sorry, I did explain my reasoning in an earlier post though, so I thought you already knew my logic about that... But since it appears you don't, I'll explain again. I accused you and Alvron of being Unjust teammates. Just about an hour earlier, you voted on Alvron. The way I see it, it could be that you wanted to kill Alvron or at least appear like you wanted to kill Alvron to try and prove to me or anyone else that you weren't teammates with him. Which, IMO, most villagers wouldn't try and do(vote on another player even though they're not really suspicious of them just to prove that they aren't an eliminator with that player). Maybe I'm wrong about that, but that was my logic.

I knew about your logic but my post was pointed not to you but to Alv who voted on me mostly cause I knew "horrible secret that no one should know"(I'm about elims ability to kill and investigate more then one person in cycle).

And your logic is wrong, I'm  voted on him not cause you said something in your post I voted on him cause I think that he is suspicious(he looked like most suspicious for me and he still looks suspicious to me), it's just big unlucky coincidence for me. I even not thought that my vote can lead to this (maybe cause I'm not elim and didn't care about suspicions on me and just wanted to say whom I think can be elim) *shrug*

[Magestar he/him]

Balthazar sat in the dark recesses of the Chasmfiend stomach.  It was, as he had expected, fairly large, for a stomach.  But it wasn't quite as big as he had hoped.  He could barely stand up straight, forced up against the walls as he was, and as acid splashed against him, he wondered if this had been a good idea.   He had spent the first while slashing at the walls of the stomach, and a good bit of it's contents were now pouring out into other areas...  Well, at least the level of acid was dropping.  Now to find his way out.

Aman, if I get spontaneously killed, feel free to have me die right after tunneling my way out.  

[Assassin in Burgundy he/him]

@Arinian No, I don't suspect you. I'm honestly a little suspicious of Rae for being suspicious of you because you asked for clarification. Not nearly enough to lynch you on, at least. 

[Jondesu he/him]

As Uther breathed easier beside him, recovering, Kintas searched the chasm around him with his eyes, looking for other opportunities to help.  The beast itself was down, pinned and while not helpless, less of an immediate threat than it had been, and there was rubble strewn about from its struggles.  Peeking out from around the edge of one particularly jagged boulder, Kintas spotted part of a cloak and then an arm laying on the ground, hopefully still attached to someone behind it.  Sprinting out again, he quickly made his way to the tangle of rocks and vines that lay over Sareth, the Shin man who had blinded the chasmfiend, at least partially.  Kintas had seen that he was still atop the beast when the outcropping fell onto it, but hadn't been able to work out until now where he'd ended up.

Sareth was unconscious, but Kintas was quickly able to ascertain that he was still breathing, and while he had some unhealed wounds, indicating he had run out of Stormlight, nothing looked too serious.  Before Kintas could grab a pouch of his own spheres, he spotted a bag of them on Sareth's belt, still infused and glowing.  He held those up closer to the man's face and hoped he could Breath in the Stormlight unconsciously, but nothing happened at first.  Taking his waterskin from his side, Kintas splashed some on the man's bald head and face, shocking him back into semi-consciousness.

"Take to wake up, Sareth.  You've done your part, let's clear the way for others to finish the beast off."

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@Hemalurgic_Headshot, hope that's satisfactory! 

[Arinian]

Ahh... lynch on me is just question not of evidence but trust, so lets play. Just trust me, I'm not elim  

Also I claiming right to say to everyone  "I told you" of course  if I will be lynched.

[Ecthelion III he/him]

Fifth landed his flip on the back of the wounded chasmfiend. He planted his staff into the chasmfiend with one hand and extended the other to Sareth.

"Let's finish this."

[Droughtbringer]

33 minutes ago, Arinian said:

Ahh... lynch on me is just question not of evidence but trust, so lets play. Just trust me, I'm not elim  

Also I claiming right to say to everyone  "I told you" of course  if I will be lynched.

Does that mean I can claim the right to say "I told you so" if you turn out to be an Elim?

If so, I do.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

"Get up. You are needed."

Sareth looked around the darkness. It was a room, completely black, with visible dimensions and invisible everything. And in the center of it was an orb of light.

"Get up, Sareth. I won't let you die yet."

Sareth struggled to his feet, or at least what he thought were his feet. Did he have feet? He couldn't see them. He squinted at the orb.

"Wha- who are you?" He asked. The orb seemed to wink at him.

"I am Immera. Now let's get you back alive..." the voice faded away as the light from the orb intensified and engulfed the room, getting brighter and brighter, threatening to burn Sareth away...

...

Daylight. And stormlight. Sareth hastily sucked in the stormlight in front of his face, feeling the power course through his body, fixing him where broken and strengthening him where not. He looked up at Kintas, who looked down at him with relief.

"Oh, thank the Almighty you are alright. You wouldn't breathe the stormlight, and I was getting worried. Oh, and I found this nearby," he handed something to Sareth. It was his staff, a little beaten, but still whole. Sareth pulled it to his chest. He smiled and nodded to Kintas.

"Thank you so much for this. I will find someway to repay you," he said. Kintas looked up, something catching his eye. Sareth followed his gaze. It was the Fifth Nameless, as the others had become to call him, standing on the back of the chasmfiend. He extended his arm to Sareth, the other grasping a quarterstaff.

"Let's finish this," he said, with a determination in his voice that didn't take no for an answer. Sareth got to his feet, leaning on his staff, and smiled.

"Yes, let this be finished." Then he ran and leaped, thrusting himself into the air and landing on one of the beast's legs. Then he swiftly climbed onto the back, feeling alive and full of energy. He turned to the Fifth, staff gripped firmly.

"Let's do this."

[Jondesu he/him]

Aww, I was hoping Sareth would be irritated by the water on his face.