Anniversary Game 3: The Curse of the Koloss

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

33 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

Oh good point, I forgot about that. Thanks. 

 

That... sounds like a bit of a stretch to me

Hehe, it sorta is.  I just thought I might as well post it. Going a little further than I did before, my thought is that 1. Why Kipper? He hadn't done much and he just died Cycle 1 of last game. Maybe the elims didn't know that though. But if they did, then there has to be a reason. 2. The reason would have to be good enough that they'd kill him even with his C1 death last game. The only reasons I can think of is if he claimed a really good role in PM's(Mistborn/Seeker/Coinshot would be the priority targets, IMO, unless they can get confirmation that a Lurcher isn't protecting themselves and if they got that kind of information it'd be risky to act on it) or they guessed he had a really good role. He didn't say much, and the vote on Gamma seemed really out of place(even to me, which is why I asked him about it, but he never responded). The only reason they'd guess he was a Seeker was if Gamma was Spiked, because why would a Seeker vote on the villager that they scanned?

[Dalinar Kholin]

2 hours ago, Herowannabe said:

Huh. So Dalinar was saved by a lurcher. I think it's safe to say that no villager in their right mind would have protected Dalinar last night (although to be fair, we have our fair share of villagers who aren't in their right mind ), which means the eliminators probably protected him, or he protected himself and Meta obscured it in the writeup. 

Regardless, it's highly likely that Dalinar is an eliminator. @Dalinar Kholin, care to offer up any explanation?

No, I am not a lurcher. And why do you offer up an explanation when you have already given us the answer? I already explained in my post last night what would happen. 

From a strategic perspective, why would the elim's protect anyone who isn't me? (that's a serious question, please, if anyone has a better answer, then tell me).  It's in there best interests to keep the discussion as focused as possible on me being evil to waste our lynches (both day and night cycle) and our time therewithin.

1 hour ago, Assassin in Burgundy said:

Dalinar survived? Must be some other power at work here. However, nothing is greater than the Ja, and his divine will must be carried out. Praise the Ja. 

See above, you don't need to believe it, I just reserve the right to say I told you so . Btw you did tell us so...but we were screwed anyways.

 

2 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Okay, well, Dalinar then. Hero, he seemed to basically claim that he wasn't a Lurcher himself with his earlier post about "A Coinshot will probably attack me and then the eliminators might protect me(if they have a Lurcher)." It seemed that way to me at least.

 Yes, I am not a lurcher.

 

2 hours ago, Madagascar said:

Gonna throw all my catsh at Dalinar, based on the *hiccup* shushpishuns I've got with him an' Wonko. And I'm gonna keep all my alcohol for myshelf.

Sorry about that, your suspicions are entirely fair. Although I will take your cats. I like cats. I would like to point out my post from last night, which I have not heard a credible refutation for about why I would have tried to pm you and tie the vote if I knew my elim team could just save me (ignoring the 4-3 part because it is ridiculous to presume that Ecthelion being a soother would come into the equation).

Finally, why is no one talking about the people who threw the vote into chaos last minute? Wonko only came on for the last minutes of the lynch. Joe came in last minute too. At the very least, if you're going to kill me, accept that, vote to lynch me, and focus discussion on something with utility for the village in the long term.

Reginald fled to his cellar to escape the rumbling crowd. It was twice, in the past two days that he had nearly died. First, to the angry crowd, second to his pursuer. It chilled his blood, to think one of his fellows, controlled by this mysterious Ruin fellow, or worse, *he shuddered*, out of their own volition, would want him dead. Sure, he stole stuff. Thiefs weren't popular, he was used to being roughed up at the local bar and given suspicious looks in public, but this? This was something different. He pulled the stopper out of the bottle of brandy from Aralis's cellar. Bother, it was half empty. Well, it'd have to do. As he chugged the bottle and rolled over, a screech echoed up from his trench coat. It took him to long to remember that one of the cats that Matilda had thrown at him. It was rather cute now that Reginald thought of it. He'd really have to give something good to Matilda in return. Aha! He tossed the empty bottle aside  and started the long slow lurch toward Matilda's (building? Hut? Hovel?) To be continued...

Edited January 14, 2017 by Dalinar Kholin
fixed flavor text error

[Stick. she/her]

Bah. Sorry for not posting last turn, I forgot that Night turns were 24 hrs. I'm kinda confused, but this is what I think is happening:

Most of you here have voted on DK because Doc's vote was suspiciously moved off of him last cycle, and because he suspiciously survived the attack last night.

DK claims not to be Lurcher and that the elims had protected him as to waste our lynches on him. 

And about Ecth telling people that I'm to blame for his death: I have no idea why. Though I did receive a weird PM from him back when he wasn't dead. I don't suppose we can copy/paste from PMs, can we?

[Metacognition he/him]

17 minutes ago, I_am_a_Stick said:

I don't suppose we can copy/paste from PMs, can we?

No, you cannot. 

NO ONE should be copying and pasting messages that were from a PM. 

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No one can quote PMs from other players or your own to other players or the game thread. If you need to relay what happened in a PM, you are only capable of paraphrasing what was said.

That's straight from the SE Rules and Etiquette. Anyone caught doing so will be given a Warning. 

 

[Stick. she/her]

12 minutes ago, Metacognition said:

No, you cannot. 

NO ONE should be copying and pasting messages that were from a PM. 

That's straight from the SE Rules and Etiquette. Anyone caught doing so will be given a Warning. 

 

Thought so... 

Can we paraphrase?

Edited January 14, 2017 by I_am_a_Stick

[Metacognition he/him]

1 hour ago, I_am_a_Stick said:

Can we paraphrase?

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No one can quote PMs from other players or your own to other players or the game thread. If you need to relay what happened in a PM, you are only capable of paraphrasing what was said.

From the SE Rules and Etiquette

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you are only capable of paraphrasing what was said.

 Hopefully that's clear enough? 

 

I'm giving you a hard time because it's funny, but in all seriousness, it's a fair question. 

No one is allowed to Copy/Paste information from a PM (as much as I didn't want to on the idea that it legitimizes his PM message, for better or for worse (rather than it being faked), Drake has received an Official Warning due to his neglect of the Rules of the SubForum). If you are caught doing so, you will be given a Warning. 

You are allowed to paraphrase and that's about it. No form of copy/pasting is allowed; at all.

Edited January 14, 2017 by Metacognition

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

16 minutes ago, I_am_a_Stick said:

Thought so... 

Can we paraphrase?

You can totally paraphrase what people said to you in a PM, but of course that doesn't mean people will be able to take your word on what you're saying, especially when it comes to the words of a dead man.  

With that said, that is one raging koloss of a bandwagon on dalinar already, which isn't too surprising, but seems like people have definitely tunneled on that pretty hard. With all of the discussion of the coinshots so deliberately being told to go after Dalinar, if there were any Spiked Lurchers they totally would have targeted him, because like it's already been said, now we have to waste another lynch trying to figure it all out. Of course same could be said for if Dalinar is spiked too, so that leads nowhere. 

I'm going to resist the urge to just vote on Lopen for the convoluted assumptions involving me, as the whole Kipper-seeker connection was a bit of a stretch, and ultimately a moot point with his death. I was confused as to their vote last cycle too, but didn't have too much time to post in between then and now. I'll instead vote for Madagascar for right now, see if they have anything to add to the conversation (as storming fun as it is to read  ) in terms of actual suspicions, and not just jumping their lynch around back and forth. 

[Stick. she/her]

16 minutes ago, Metacognition said:

From the SE Rules and Etiquette

 Hopefully that's clear enough? 

Yes, that is very clear XD

Ecth basically said that if he dies, he'd be suspicious of one of Mage, Hero or Drake. He wouldn't give me any details. He also said he wouldn't give me details about why he can't give me details about not giving details. Also:

Herowannabe, last turn:

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I was in that conversation and can confirm that Ecthelion did say that (thanks for reminding me, Drake). However I'm still of the opinion that the coinshot(s) should target Dalinar first. We would learn far more from his death at the moment than we would from Stick's. Plus, I'd like to hear what Stick has to say on the matter and with only a few hours left in the night it doesn't leave much time for discussion. 

I suppose @Magestar was part of that PM too? 

I can't see why Ecth would tell all of you to kill me if he dies and tell me to do vice versa. I'd say he was trolling or something, but then someone manipulated a vote onto him. Might be a coincidence but...eh

 

[Wyrmhero he/him]

Looks like I called it. We have a vigilante on our hands after all. I didn't know how to feel about this. Vigilante justice has always kinda run opposite to my idea of justice. But I couldn't honestly say that I wouldn't have done the same if I could. The fact that he survived was just as interesting to me. Two people attacked, two people survived. I was almost surprised to hear that Kip had died; I was beginning to think the whole bloody town was under some kind of protection.

 

But there were two possibilities here, and I didn't know which was more likely. Firstly, that Reginald was indeed our man, and was saved by either his own power or his friends helping him, or he was a loyal member of the village, and saved by our enemies to sow confusion. Both seemed possible when it was this obvious he would be attacked, and I found it interesting that some of us were taking his survival as proof of the evil inside him. In my opinion, it did not make it any more or less likely. We had no new evidence to go on. Of course, it was also possible that we had a loyal Lurcher who decided he was probably innocent, but that didn't seem likely to me.

 

People were already pointing fingers again, but I couldn't blame them. However, I didn't like that they all pointed them in one direction - Reginald. Sure, I didn't trust the guy, but it all seemed to be to be a ploy. Easy enough to incriminate a guy by making sure he survives the vigilante justice. In my opinion, that didn't make him any more or less guilty. He could have survived because he had friends in low places, or because he had enemies in low places who thought he'd make for a good distraction. And Lord Ruler, he was making for a good distraction. And that wasn't even considering the innkeeper, Grumbles, who started throwing out accusations. When pressed, he decided not to actually continue making them. Seemed a mite odd, but maybe I was just letting yesterday get to me.

 

Now, this all started with two people, Matilda and the Terrisman. Matilda was a drunkard, true, but she seemed to have other reasons behind what she was saying. Herwynbe, however, he was the second vote, the confirmer of the lynch. I felt he should know better than to start confirming that we should kill Reginald this early in the morning. All it would do was stifle discussion. Especially since the next couple of guys who spoke up followed his lead. A Terrisman couldn't be wrong after all, could they? Well, maybe, maybe not. I didn't care much whether he was right or not when I put his name forward. They say there's honour among thieves and villains, but I've never met one who wouldn't sell his friends down the canal to save his own sorry skin. I felt it could just as easily be him trying to stop us thinking and rushing us to lynch Reginald. I might be wrong, but I wouldn't mind knowing why he felt that Reginald was almost definitely a traitor to the village.

Edited January 14, 2017 by Wyrmhero

[manukos he/him]

isn't it possible that dalinar is a thug?

also i am kinda on the ropes for voting him in(dirty ropes , remind me to wash them later). he made some fair points (with some holes , but still). apart from that i am not against lynching him to check for allegiances

also has any of you noticesd any particulary interesting alliances/teamups between players vilagers ?

Edited January 14, 2017 by Manukos

[Magestar he/him]

I don't know.  The Dalinar lynch seems really contrived to me.  I mean... I wouldn't be surprised if he was saved just to give us an easy target.  I've seen it happen before.

But now it's a big IKYK, so I'm still in the neutral zone about Dalinar.

1 hour ago, I_am_a_Stick said:

I suppose @Magestar was part of that PM too? 

Yup.  I didn't say much.   A large portion of that PM was RP and some talk about Vigenere stuff.  Nothing too important, I don't think?  A lot of RP, which didn't seem to be super meaningful, but I didn't try to read into it.

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Magestar. What can I say? I'm a magnet for early suspicion it seems. 

Don't worry, Lopen.  You're only one standard deviation of the mean from my suspicion of everyone else.  

I'm going to agree with what I think Wyrm is saying.  Hero is definitely one of my main suspicions. 

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I don't think anyone took Carmichael's bread.  

Carmichael was wandering the city, attempting to avoid the crazy cat lady.  He had always thought himself able to defend himself against anything, but those cats...  He shuddered.  He would never bet against those cats.  

Carmichael found himself unsure what to do next.  People, friends even, who he had known for years were dying all around him.  He sighed.  These were difficult times, and besides, what could he do about it?  Anyways, he could take care of himself.  If other people couldn't, well, that was none of his business.  He would go on, gambling, surviving.  If he needed to, he could leave town before anything really bad went down.  He looked about.  He shrugged.  He could leave whenever he wanted.  Of course he could.

Carmichael uses his Narcissism as a sort of buffer.  He doesn't like having people rely on him, and thinks growing attached makes him vulnerable, so he focuses on himself.  He's fairly good at gambling, so he gets what he needs like that.  He usually doesn't stay in one place for long, but he likes Tyrian Falls, for whatever reason, and likes the people here.  So he's been around for a few years.

[STINK he/him]

RP's taking too long, so rip the cr.

What do we learn if Dalinar is lynched? That everyone bandwagon'd on him, and that someone tried to kill him? So if he's good, then any elims that voted for Dalinar won't be found, because everyone has bandwagon'd. And if Dalinar is evil, then we learn that what? He didn't want to die? That's almost nothing. This Lynch is basically a waste of time. 

The Only Joe. Now, I've already explained some of my reasoning on voting for Joe, so I don't feel the need to explain this vote again. Now we just wait and see if anyone is going to even bother with this vote when you got 'DALINAR DALINAR DALINAR' in your head.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Joe awoke the next morning from the most peculiar dream. Coins flew through his head, speeding towards an unseen target as the victim sobbed. Then came the sound of hammers pounding wood, a battering of sound that quickly came and then was gone. Footsteps, made with haste, followed, gradually quieter. He shook his head. What a strange dream. He looked around and shook off the ash that had coated him overnight. Pausing to notice how it sheltered him, Joe thought that the ash made very good camouflage. Then he saw a scattering of coins on the street, little bits of reflected light. The dream came to his mind. He sprang up, but hit his head on the crate beside him. That way was not up.

He walked towards the manor, ash trailing from his clothes. He stood on the steps just as the doors were opened. A funeral procession emerged, bearing a body shrouded with white cloth. Joe froze. Another dead? When the body was close enough to reach, he brushed aside the shroud to see the face. Kip. Any semblance of happy thoughts were dashed to pieces. The procession marched slowly on, down to the square. Joe turned and trudged up the steps.

 

 

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Kip's death was not one expected. Dalinar was attacked, as expected, and was saved, as expected. Now Dalinar's rescue is suspicious. I already know this has been discussed, over and over, but I don't think anyone would want to save Dalinar for any particular reason (because he predicted it, and unless the Lurcher is Elim, which I am quite sure). But think about this: if the Lurcher is Elim, then what about Wilson?  WGG...

 

[Madagascar]

3 hours ago, Gamma Fiend said:

I'll instead vote for Madagascar for right now, see if they have anything to add to the conversation (as storming fun as it is to read  ) in terms of actual suspicions, and not just jumping their lynch around back and forth. 

 

 

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Shure.

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9 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Also, asking for Madagascar to save you would be a smart move as a Spiked, not stupid. If you'd just laid down and "let" yourself be lynched only to be saved by vote manipulation, it would be obvious that you knew you weren't in danger.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With the pleashant bonush of making me look like a jackassh.

 

I been thinkin' bout what you shaid, you filthy thief... I sheen more go on between Wonkersh and Dalinar than you done. an' I don't know how to account fer it all.

Ash an' ol woman what'sh conshtantly on the edge o' drivin' me wagon off the edge of a cliff in an alcohol related fugue state, I talksh to others on the brink o' death, what in the hopesh they'll bring me newsh of a wonderful new life on the other shide. Moshtly sho far what I hear ish "Cold... so cold." One o' dem people yeshterday wash Dalinar. Bashically, a while back, I dun pointed out to Dalinar he could try'n tie wif Wonkersh what on the groundsh o' the contribyoo-shun crushade. But Dalinar wash very reluctant. Even-shoo-ally he shaid he would. But right away he shaid he'd "nickshed" the plan an' had voted fer the new guy inshtead caush Wonkersh had appeared ... when I look outshide I shee both of'em callin' fer Headshot'sh head! Thish peeved me enough I even voted fer Dalinar. (Awkward ash it ish ter vote fer shumeone yer havin' drinksh wif)... Should've shtuck wif it...

Bashically *hiccups*, Dalinar'sh vote fer Headshot came before Wonkersh'sh first posht... Meanin' Dalinar knew to tell me he'd vote fer Headshot inshtead of Wonkersh "becaush Wonkers had appeared"... three minutesh before Wonkersh actually appeared. Sho either Dalinar'sh a precog... or him'n Wonkersh been talking behind me back. He shweettalked me into helpin' him eshcape the nooshe anyway...  but if'n I'd notished thish before I'd've thrown him to the Mishtwraithsh, an' Wonkersh after him if he wash shpiked.

 

Ain't got no witnesshesh to thish conversayshun but me, Dalinar, an' the catsh. Sho many catsh. But I'll point out Dalinar himshelf done confirmed we talked at leasht. Sho when I turnsh out to be jusht a innocent ol' cat lady. and if Dalinar'sh shpiked, I'd try droppin' shum catsh on Wonko'sh head...

 

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After *hiccup* actual thought, looking over the reportsh and the lettersh me an' Dalinar done exchanged, me catsh done reported they found linksh between Dalinar an' Wonkersh what they found hard to exshplain innoshently. An' when Matilda ish confushed, she beatsh people over the head with her shtaff until she getsh anshers.

Dalinar, while we were dishcusshin' yer imminent death the other day, I pointed out you could you vote fer Wonkersh who wash lurkin' at the time. You were very reluctant, but said yes. However very quickly you shaid you had changed your mind becaushe Wonkersh had showed up, and had thus voted for Hemalurgic Headshot inshtead. Ish thish correct? Can you exshplain you why voted fer Headshot in the posht before  Won ker'sh showed up then?

Did you mean Wonkersh 'ad showed up in the village... or did you shlip and tell me he showed up in the shecret shpiked club? I'm afraid I musht beat you an' Wonkersh' with a real club until I know the troof. Nothin' pershonal. I jusht think yer evil an' hate you.

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Edited January 14, 2017 by Madagascar
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[Arinian]

Ohh... I really don't like when happens something like that. I'm confused. Dalinar (for now maybe later thoughts will visit my head, but now there nothing )

Edited January 14, 2017 by Arinian

[Herowannabe he/him]

6 hours ago, Gamma Fiend said:

With that said, that is one raging koloss of a bandwagon on dalinar already, which isn't too surprising, but seems like people have definitely tunneled on that pretty hard. With all of the discussion of the coinshots so deliberately being told to go after Dalinar, if there were any Spiked Lurchers they totally would have targeted him, because like it's already been said, now we have to waste another lynch trying to figure it all out. Of course same could be said for if Dalinar is spiked too, so that leads nowhere. 
 

... Dang. You're absolutely right. "Hey Eliminators, want to screw with our plans? Here, we're going to send a coinshot to kill this guy, if you lurch him, regardless of his alignment, it will really screw us over. Okay thanks bye." I take my fair share of the blame, since I was one of the ones actively pushing for a "night vote," and doing it more vocally than anyone else. I see now that was a bad idea. I'm trying to get back into the game full swing but the truth is I'm really rusty. The last game I played was the last AG, if I remember correctly, and before that my activity was pretty low, too, so there's a lot of basic strategy stuff that I'm still trying to remember and keep up with. Like not broadcasting your plans to the eliminators. Apparently. 

That does make me a little less sure of Dalinar's alignment. The eliminators could be putting forth effort to keep a villager alive in order to sow chaos and confusion and to slow the village down. It seems kind of elaborate, but eliminators have done far crazier and more elaborate things in the past. Regardless, I still find Dalinar far more suspicious than anyone else. Saved by a rioter on Day 1, then saved by a lurcher the following? That's two different people using their powers to save Dalinar based on only one cycle's worth of gameplay (that or one Mistborn who happened to draw the right set of powers, and who really wants to keep Dalinar around). I find that prospect doubtful, unless he's an eliminator and his team is helping him out (or unless the Eliminators are really trying to mess with us).

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Herwynbe didn't sleep long before he was awoken by someone calling his name. He hurriedly readied himself, then went to the grand hall to see how he might be of service. He was mistaken in why he thought he was being summoned, however. 

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5 hours ago, Wyrmhero said:

Now, this all started with two people, Matilda and the Terrisman. Matilda was a drunkard, true, but she seemed to have other reasons behind what she was saying. Herwynbe, however, he was the second vote, the confirmer of the lynch. I felt he should know better than to start confirming that we should kill Reginald this early in the morning. All it would do was stifle discussion. Especially since the next couple of guys who spoke up followed his lead. A Terrisman couldn't be wrong after all, could they? Well, maybe, maybe not. I didn't care much whether he was right or not when I put his name forward. They say there's honour among thieves and villains, but I've never met one who wouldn't sell his friends down the canal to save his own sorry skin. I felt it could just as easily be him trying to stop us thinking and rushing us to lynch Reginald. I might be wrong, but I wouldn't mind knowing why he felt that Reginald was almost definitely a traitor to the village.

3 hours ago, Magestar said:

I'm going to agree with what I think Wyrm is saying.  Hero is definitely one of my main suspicions. 

 

Okay... care to expound on this? I am genuinely surprised that out of all the people who have publicly (ie: not including Rioter and Lurcher shenanigans) voted for Dalinar, changed their votes off of dalinar, campaigned for him, against him, and all those same things for Ecthelion, that you singled out me to be the most suspicious. And because I was the one to "confirm the lynch" on Dalinar? Really? Was there any doubt that we would try to lynch him today? Are there any better targets out there? Or perhaps you know something that I don't? 

 In my mind there is a very good chance that Dalinar is spiked. I'd say 75% chance, while everyone else is still at about 20% (assuming a 1/5th distribution of eliminators), though a few have started to creep higher. Why WOULDN'T we want to lynch Dalinar today? I'm genuinely curious as to why anyone would think that we should lynch someone other than Dalinar. 

That being said...

4 hours ago, STINK said:

What do we learn if Dalinar is lynched? That everyone bandwagon'd on him, and that someone tried to kill him? So if he's good, then any elims that voted for Dalinar won't be found, because everyone has bandwagon'd. And if Dalinar is evil, then we learn that what? He didn't want to die? That's almost nothing. This Lynch is basically a waste of time. 

Okay, I'm sorry, maybe I'm just feeling touchy this morning but I have to call BULL-. You really think there is nothing to learn from lynching Dalinar? What about all the people who voted for him the first day? What about the people who pulled their votes off of him last minute? What about getting some insight into why a Rioter AND a Lurcher would want to protect him? What about finding insight into those people (like myself, I admit) who are relatively confident Dalinar is spiked, as well as finding insight into those people (like Wyrm) who are relatively confident that he isn't spiked? You don't think there are any clues to who the eliminators are in there? I bet you that there are. They're already there, I'd stake my life on it (and apparently I am), but we're not going to know which clues are which until we find out Dalinar's alignment. 

No obviously I'm not saying that we should stop discussing suspicions- we absolutely shouldn't. But ignoring the whole controversy over Dalinar would be a huge mistake. And more likely than not, that's a mistake the eliminators would love for us to make right now. 

[STINK he/him]

1 minute ago, Herowannabe said:

Okay, I'm sorry, maybe I'm just feeling touchy this morning but I have to call BULL-. You really think there is nothing to learn from lynching Dalinar? What about all the people who voted for him the first day? What about the people who pulled their votes off of him last minute? What about getting some insight into why a Rioter AND a Lurcher would want to protect him? What about finding insight into those people (like myself, I admit) who are relatively confident Dalinar is spiked, as well as finding insight into those people (like Wyrm) who are relatively confident that he isn't spiked? You don't think there are any clues to who the eliminators are in there? I bet you that there are. They're already there, I'd stake my life on it (and apparently I am), but we're not going to know which clues are which until we find out Dalinar's alignment. 

All those votes on D1? I've already stated that the value of a D1 Lynch is mostly that it's the first lynch, and is the only lynch for a while. As soon as we start the D2 Lynch, the D1 Lynch is basically meaningless to me. And when I read D1, I honestly did not understand why people were voting for Dalinar. 

And as for finding insight into who says what, there's you and Madagascar. Everyone else seems to be saying 'he didn't die, let's lynch him anyway.' So for this lovely insight, D2 discussion was nearly killed, and if not killed, focused back onto the issue of Dalinar. 

And there's always going to be clues about who the eliminators are in any lynch, so I could use that for like any lynch, so it doesn't just apply to the lynch on Dalinar.

8 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

No obviously I'm not saying that we should stop discussing suspicions- we absolutely shouldn't.

All of your posts this cycle have said that Dalinar should die, or that Dalinar is evil, etc etc. If you were to die right now, we'd only know that you wanted Dalinar dead. No other suspicions? 

10 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

... Dang. You're absolutely right. "Hey Eliminators, want to screw with our plans? Here, we're going to send a coinshot to kill this guy, if you lurch him, regardless of his alignment, it will really screw us over. Okay thanks bye." I take my fair share of the blame, since I was one of the ones actively pushing for a "night vote," and doing it more vocally than anyone else.

Joe did the same thing, and I think he did it before you. But he can't say that he hasn't played in a while. 

[Dalinar Kholin]

3 hours ago, Madagascar said:

Shure.

After *hiccup* actual thought, looking over the reportsh and the lettersh me an' Dalinar done exchanged, me catsh done reported they found linksh between Dalinar an' Wonkersh what they found hard to exshplain innoshently. An' when Matilda ish confushed, she beatsh people over the head with her shtaff until she getsh anshers.

Dalinar, while we were dishcusshin' yer imminent death the other day, I pointed out you could you vote fer Wonkersh who wash lurkin' at the time. You were very reluctant, but said yes. However very quickly you shaid you had changed your mind becaushe Wonkersh had showed up, and had thus voted for Hemalurgic Headshot inshtead. Ish thish correct? Can you exshplain you why voted fer Headshot in the posht before  Won ker'sh showed up then?

Sorry this post looks terrible, I have no idea how to get the formatting right.

I voted on HH, and then saw your idea for voting on Wonko, I considered it a solid alternative, but then he posted in the forum, meaning I wasn't going to vote on him for inactivity any more. (I was still writing and finishing the post for voting on HH, though I had received your pm I had not read it. Then, as I prepared to respond, Wonko posted, changing the situation). 

[Madagascar]

Matilda wash bored. Well, actually she wash in a drunken shtupor and covered in catsh, which for her wash the shame thing.

2 minutes ago, Dalinar Kholin said:

I voted on HH, and then saw your idea for voting on Wonko, I considered it a solid alternative, but then he posted in the forum, meaning I wasn't going to vote on him for inactivity any more. (I was still writing and finishing the post for voting on HH, though I had received your pm I had not read it. Then, as I prepared to respond, Wonko posted, changing the situation). 

 

Hmm... I'm going to have to think about thish really hard. I got reeeal paranoid becaushe it had sheemed to me you'd told me you'd intended to vote fer Wonkersh but then acted like you'd changed your mind, which made me feel all paranoid what of getting tricked... Looking at it, it doesh sheem like you shaid you'd told me you'd changed your mind about Wonkersh a minute after he'd reported for duty, while I'd taken your messhage about votin' fer Wonko ash coming before you'd voted fer Hemalurgic, not after. But if it was after, that changesh the timeline I got in me head. It doeshn't mean yer good, but it meansh the catsh are lessh shertain you're bad now.

*Matilda starts neurotically cleaning cat fur out of her robes*

Yeah, I'm officially back to being cluelessh. I may haff to eat me catsh after thish. I thought I had it all worked out but Dalinar had ter go an' point out holesh in me argument, the jerk. *Matilda runs out of robe and starts neurotically scrubbing her cats* Matilda may be new to thish village but she'sh been to other villagesh in other landsh before, and she knowsh she alwaysh triesh ter look at thingsh an' try to connect'em all. Shumetimesh she'sh good but shumetimesh she'sh awful.

O-key, I'll give you your point that my halfwit theory was indeed a halfwit theory and not meaning what I thinked it did though. 

If I wash a shpiked rioter, I'd riot to shave a fellow shpiked. That shaid, if it wash two villagersh up fer it, it wouldn't be a bad trick to messh with one to make the other look bad and make ush washte lotsha time *scrubbin intensifies* chashin' our tailsh. Though the thing about the evil lurcher protectin' him and shumethin ' he shaid  mentioning the posshibility of a rioter interferin' wif the votesh make me paranoid that hish predictionsh sheemed a bit too on the noshe ... I'm alsho paranoid becaushe I know I could look bad if you're bad fer helpin' you the firsht day, and alsho bad if you're good for throwin' all me catsh at you today, which is a nice pickle. That'sh what I get fer being a busybody. I'm goin' to shink about thingsh and then deshide who I vote fer, okey?

*looks nervously at Dalinar lurching toward her hovel*

I'd forgotten how much this game could turn me into a rambling crazy person  

 

[Bugsy he/him]

Gah. I really don't want to do this, but Dalinar. I'm honestly not convinced Dalinar is bad. I feel like I have to vote on him anyways, though. More important than this particular lynch is the precedent we would set by letting Daliar live. We'd open a door to a new eliminator strategy in a game where they already have a sizeable advantage. If Dalinar is lynched and is not a thug, I feel like we can conclude that the Eliminators definitely have a lurcher. This is information we need. 2 things come to mind that this information would help us with:

1) If the Elims have a lurcher, they could very well be responsible for both Wilson's near death and survival. I don't think she pulled a WGG, but my best guess is that she's innocent and they tried to get us to do the dirty work for them

2) If the Elims have a lurcher, we shouldn't give the coinshot blatant instructions, for fear of a repeat of this.

Oh, and should anyone I've had a PM with want to contact me, use the first 3 sentences of our PM as a key without spaces or punctuation. Remember that you have to write it out by hand. If any of you know Python, write an automated version; it's not horribly difficult, and it's definitely more fun than pencil and paper translation. I'm not sending because I don't really have anything to say at this point, but I'd be happy to read what you send me. The eliminators currently have a significant information and communication advantage over us, and we have to try to make it up.

[Arraenae]

One thing that seems far more likely is that the elims have a lurcher. They could have saved Dalinar either because he is Spiked or because they wanted to make him look Spiked.

Does this remind anyone of the N1 attack on Wilson? If (and this is a big if) the person who protected Wilson was an elim who also protected Dalinar, the only conclusive thing we can say is that the elim team is an intelligent one.

That said, I think Dalinar is still worth probing, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Can anybody give me a vote tally of before the HH vote switcheroo 30 minutes before rollover, during the HH switcheroo, and after the switcheroo, at rollover?

[STINK he/him]

12 minutes ago, Bugsy6912 said:

If Dalinar is lynched and is not a thug, I feel like we can conclude that the Eliminators definitely have a lurcher.

But you can't, because there are also villagers that think that Dalinar is good. >.>

[Bugsy he/him]

7 minutes ago, STINK said:

But you can't, because there are also villagers that think that Dalinar is good. >.>

Villagers who would protect Dalinar over a proven Elim target, Wilson? As far as I can tell, no villager would force today's lynch into a waste to temporarily postpone Dalinar's death

[STINK he/him]

First, any target other than Wilson is best to protect, mostly because of the IKYK factor. 

Secondly, maybe the lurcher hoped that the lynch wouldn't just be 48 hours of 'die Dalinar' >.>

[little wilson she/her]

I would suggest we refrain from giving any action suggestions to rolled in the thread. If they do have a Lurcher (I'm leaning strongly towards yes, right now), and they've used that Lurcher to save me and Dalinar (assuming Dalinar is Village), they are clearly not opposed to using their roles offensively, to let villagers gather suspicion. So what happens if they have a smoker? In AG 1, the Spiked has two smokers and they used them offensively, smoking villagers. They smoked me every cycle until they killed me, making sure that no one would be able to confirm my alignment. This isn't a tactic used frequently, but it does happen, and therefore, we cannot risk giving them public information for how we're using any of our roles. That just makes it all the easier for them to thwart in any way.

As for Dalinar, I'm not convinced of his guilt. I'm also not convinced of his innocence either, but I'm leaning towards a villager being set up. As has already been said, the longer discussion stays focused on one topic, the more time the Spiked have to kill more villagers. I'm with Stink: let's not let this day get fixated on one person.

Right now, I'm inclined to agree with Wyrm and Mage about Hero. The way he started the night vote for the Coinshot could easily have been that of a spiked wanting to direct a potential villager Coinshot onto a target so they could protect that same target.  And therefore focus discussion. His quick vote and insistence that Dalinar is almost certainly evil also makes me wary.

Lopen is another one I'm mildly suspicious of, though that's because I was in a PM with Wyrm last cycle, and Wyrm was asking me questions about WGG's and stuff, claiming it was for Lopen. If Lopen wanted to know that, why didn't he just ask me directly? Why not start a PM with me to talk with me and decide for himself if I'm evil? Why use a proxy? It doesn't even make sense, unless he didn't need to vet me out because he already knows. And now his convoluted theory with Kipper and Gamma also strikes me as an attempt to get a villager lynched or vig killed.

I have a few people I'm leaning good on: Jondesu, El, Orlok, and Joe, though I'll admit that the latter three were contingent on my attack coming from a team that wanted me dead, and if they used their own Lurcher to save me, that analysis is moot. I was hoping PMs would be around for longer so I could get a better read, but oh well. It is what it is.