Long Game 21: To Reforge a God

[Young Bard he/him]

Sorry everyone, I didn't have time to post this morning, before I left for a drama rehearsal. Just like you, I'm trying to suss out who's on what side, but no luck so far.

 

I'm curious why Aman is so active in all of this... He seems to be going above and beyond what most others are doing (I'll check other LG's he's been in to see if that's normal for him.)

 

Also, if this is a thing, Devotion, do you mind adding me to a PM or two? Thanks.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

There's now 4 people requesting a PM and Devotion can only make 3. So... I guess it's up to Devotion.

[Seonid he/him]

I've just put up the countdown for this cycle - my bad about that.

 

Also, I noticed I hadn't answered a question earlier - I don't require perfect spelling on a vote, but I do require it to be obvious who you intend it to be for.

[Young Bard he/him]

Well, that's interesting. Guess they solved that one in their own way.

 

EDIT: Vote tally so far:

(3) Mark IV: DeathClutch19, Amanuensis, Conquestor

(1) Amanuensis: Young Bard, 

(1) leiftinspace: AliasSheep, 

(1) AliasSheep: leiftinspace, 

(1) Conquestor: Mark IV,

(1) The Mighty Lopen: The Only Joe,

(1) The Only Joe: The Mighty Lopen, 

 

EDIT 2: Fixed mistake in which Conquestor voted twice in the tally. Conquester, do you mind rescinding old votes in green next time?

Edited May 15, 2016 by The Young Bard

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Sorry everyone, I didn't have time to post this morning, before I left for a drama rehearsal. Just like you, I'm trying to suss out who's on what side, but no luck so far.

 

I'm curious why Aman is so active in all of this... He seems to be going above and beyond what most others are doing (I'll check other LG's he's been in to see if that's normal for him.)

 

Also, if this is a thing, Devotion, do you mind adding me to a PM or two? Thanks.

 

Aman is very talkative, so his activeness isn't out of the norm for him. An easy way to see how often a player usually posts during a game is to click on the "[number] replies" thing on the thread. Like, for the "QF15: Death Note" thread, you'd click on the "583 replies" graphic which brings up how many times people have posted in that thread. Joe posted 100 times over the course of that game. Mostly trolling. Anyways, that could help you see what's the norm for some players(assuming they didn't die on the first Cycle, so they weren't able to post very much or something).

 

So out of the players with votes on them, who would you lynch?

[Mark IV he/him]

Woah. Lots of pages....

Sorry for my inactivity, I had a lot going on yesterday, what with home renovations, and my mother's birthday too! So, my contribution skimmed down to zero.

From now on, I'll try to resume my posting frequency (albeit not a lot).

Well there is a reason to reveal worlds if you believe my theory . I just want to know so that I can group people together based on their origin and compare them with one another to figure out who among them most likely belongs to one of the three "Evils." It'd provide me (and some other players if they choose to do something similar) direction as at this point in time there's no real leads to pursue. Ultimately I believe that if there is no harm in everyone knowing then having more information is automatically better than less.

I do support sharing who is on your planet, but not D1. That feels like too soon. As sheep said, we could reveal which planet we were on the previous day after the night has elapsed, so that we can compare the two and draw conclusions.

Voting on MarkIV so that when last minute votes come, and they will, there will be a bigger amount of votes on one person, so it will be harder to last minute vote.

And that's all your reasoning is? What if Aman is evil, and he's trying to get me lynched because his eliminator buddies told him something about me? You're basically following him blindly and helping his cause (he could be odium for all you know)

It's a bit early in the cycle to solidify the lynch, Conquestor. Why do you want Mark dead?

Personally, I feel any time is good enough to solidify the lynch, particularly because it gives them something to voice their opinion about/give a statement, which can be analysed on death/ analysed by others

(Preferably the latter in this case.)

Aman, I do not know yet what theory you're confirming, but let me tell you, it won't be confirmed. Your plan will fail, that I can tell you with utmost certainty. That's because I know something you don't. I wish I could PM you right now, but suffice to say that you'd be better placed to check out whatever it is you are currently confirming later in the game.

Sorry, but I can say more.

EDIT: And as a reminder that I am curious to know what you have planned to check, Amanuensis

Edited May 15, 2016 by Mark IV

[Amanuensis he/him]

I'm curious why Aman is so active in all of this... He seems to be going above and beyond what most others are doing (I'll check other LG's he's been in to see if that's normal for him.)

Aman is very talkative, so his activeness isn't out of the norm for him. An easy way to see how often a player usually posts during a game is to click on the "[number] replies" thing on the thread. Like, for the "QF15: Death Note" thread, you'd click on the "583 replies" graphic which brings up how many times people have posted in that thread. Joe posted 100 times over the course of that game. Mostly trolling. Anyways, that could help you see what's the norm for some players(assuming they didn't die on the first Cycle, so they weren't able to post very much or something).

So out of the players with votes on them, who would you lynch?

As Lopen has said I am one of the more active players. If you look back on LG15 and MR12 you'll probably find my play style is similar there. Honestly I find it a bit odd since you're basically voting for me for participating and attempting to encourage discussion, which is exactly what eliminators don't want. I would consider voting for you but with two votes on me now that would tie me with Mark for the lynch which is less than ideal, and this is also the first game I've seen you in so I'd prefer to not vote for you to give you some time to play / so I can get to know you as a player. I do wonder if you're a member of the 17th Shard who was encouraged by his teammates to vote for me knowing that I wouldn't retaliate due to you being new since I just mentioned that in my post about Trel, though...

 

Woah. Lots of pages....

Sorry for my inactivity, I had a lot going on yesterday, what with home renovations, and my mother's birthday too! So, my contribution skimmed down to zero.

From now on, I'll try to resume my posting frequency (albeit not a lot).

I do support sharing who is on your planet, but not D1. That feels like too soon. As sheep said, we could reveal which planet we were on the previous day after the night has elapsed, so that we can compare the two and draw conclusions.

And that's all your reasoning is? What if Aman is evil, and he's trying to get me lynched because his eliminator buddies told him something about me? You're basically following him blindly and helping his cause (he could be odium for all you know)

Personally, I feel any time is good enough to solidify the lynch, particularly because it gives them something to voice their opinion about/give a statement, which can be analysed on death/ analysed by others

(Preferably the latter in this case.)

Aman, I do not know yet what theory you're confirming, but let me tell you, it won't be confirmed. Your plan will fail, that I can tell you with utmost certainty. That's because I know something you don't. I wish I could PM you right now, but suffice to say that you'd be better placed to check out whatever it is you are currently confirming later in the game.

Sorry, but I can say more.

EDIT: And as a reminder that I am curious to know what you have planned to check, Amanuensis

Thanks for responding. I don't have much desire to test that theory immediately, and honestly I'd rather just file it away for later and actually lynch someone for a valid reason. My main intention was to see how you and others would react (for those who aren't in the QF15 dead doc to see who'd ask why I'm being secretive, for those who are that might be willing to follow my lead or oppose it, things like that) as its all very telling information. Unfortunately I think you've just given us a bit too much information though. Devotion if you could create a PM with Mark and I at some point I would appreciate it greatly. Also Mark I will remove my vote from you if you'll take yours from me, and based off Con's posts so far I think he'll do so as well. I'm honestly a bit suspicious that DC hasn't removed it either, though I suppose it might be because he's aware of the theory I mentioned testing.

 

EDIT: Forgot to say this before but happy birthday Mrs. IV!

Edited May 15, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Young Bard he/him]

Fair enough, Aman. I'm just trying to detect oddities here, which is difficult when you don't know any of the players behaviours. 

 

In that case, I might turn to Nyali, who's usually seems to be quite active, but seems to not be participating in this SE nearly as much.

Edited May 15, 2016 by The Young Bard

[Mark IV he/him]

Amanuensis there.

Conquestor, I'd prefer if you followed suit, seeing as you did the same with voting for me. (I'm just pulling your leg, but I'd definitely like you to take off he vote seeing as I'd be lynched otherwise.)

As of now, I don't think I like the supporting evidence - "I'll kynch him 'cause Aman is testing something."

1) You don't know what the something is.

2) there are way too many roles in this game, and you might end up lynching me and triggering something bad.

3) As I've said, aman might himself be bad.

Either way, that's my view on it.

@Aman - it was a bit too obvious, wasn't it?

Thanks!

EDIT: Ninja'd by Bard -

That might be because she's absorbed in the other LG. That's what I feel. I think I'll let her answer, but I thought I'd just put this out there.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Mark IV

[Nyali she/her]

Fair enough, Aman. I'm just trying to detect oddities here, which is difficult when you don't know any of the players behaviours.

In that case, I might turn to Nyali, who's usually seems to be quite active, but seems to not be participating in this SE nearly as much.

I always participate less on weekends. Both harder to read and harder to post when using my phone nearly exclusively, and there's baby Shallan to juggle, company and other weekend plans, and cleaning to do. At work, it's easy to post between tasks and while waiting for responses to emails, and after work when decompressing from being in the office. My wife (understandably) expects a lot more help from me around the house when I'm home all day.

I'm also posting more in the World PM for my world than here. Having such a small group of people there is really useful.

That said, I'd like to reiterate that I think voting is important in these games, even random votes. Sure, informed ones are better, even only slightly informed ones, but random is better than not voting.

I'll vote in a bit - having trouble juggling the "player list" and the "stuff people said here" tabs on my phone.

[Conquestor he/him]

This looks like one of your first games, so I'll point out what's wrong here without voting on you:

• Bandwagons are almost never good. They limit discussion without providing any extra reasons to vote for someone. If you think Mark is actually suspicious, say something like, "Mark's posted without saying anything. I think he's trying to stay unnoticed."
• There's still another day left in the cycle, as Arraenae pointed out. Plenty of time left to vote for someone for more solid reasons.
• As Joe pointed out, last-minute votes are unlikely to happen. The only situation where they're really useful is when eliminators are trying to lynch the GM, or when the eliminators are about to win. This is the first cycle, so I don't think eliminators will place any last-minute votes.

I voted on Araris before, but it looks like he plans to post a few times per cycle.

Also, on the subject of worlds we start out on, I'd prefer not to share mine. Not everyone will share their worlds, so if I'm the only one on my world who shares, I'm more likely to be picked off by a trigger-happy gunslinger. I want to be judged based on my posts and reasoning, not my starting position.

 

I was still stuck on the qf15 rules and forgot that there are 48 hours in a day. These games are hard to play, so I'll vote later tonight. MarkIV.

"I've heard rumors about Hoid reassembling Adonalsium," Nila said. "You've heard of this, yah? What do you think? Is it true?"

​"yes I've heard the rumors." "this sounds like Hoid, but it doesn't bode well for the rest of the Cosmere." "What's the first things gods do?" "They wipe a clean slate and start over."

Edited May 15, 2016 by Conquestor

[Mark IV he/him]

Voting on MarkIV so that when last minute votes come, and they will, there will be a bigger amount of votes on one person, so it will be harder to last minute vote.

  

I was still stuck on the qf15 rules and forgot that there are 48 hours in a day. These games are hard to play, so I'll vote later tonight. MarkIV.

 

"I've heard rumors about Hoid reassembling Adonalsium," Nila said. "You've heard of this, yah? What do you think? Is it true?"

​"yes I've heard the rumors." "this sounds like Hoid, but it doesn't bode well for the rest of the Cosmere." "What's the first things gods do?" "They wipe a clean slate and start over."

What? Why the double vote? You were still voting for me before that latest post. But, I'd prefer if you didn't.

I take that to mean you'll remove the vote off of me 'later tonight'?

[Conquestor he/him]

  

What? Why the double vote? You were still voting for me before that latest post. But, I'd prefer if you didn't.

I take that to mean you'll remove the vote off of me 'later tonight'?

 

Accidentally put red instead of green. Also the thing Aman was talking about testing was actually interesting and might have changed these games as we know it.

 

Edit : I have church today and won't be on in a couple of hours.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Conquestor

[phattemer]

Jeez, this thread is long. Anyway, I'll put a vote on Amanuensis for now because of what he said about voting for Mark. Not only do I dislike using anything outside of the current game as reasoning for voting, but also I'm on the same planet as Mar and he said he couldn't find anything even having looked through that doc. So, care to be a bit more specific, Aman?

[Zephrer he/him]

Sorry I haven't been all that active in posting, I wanted my first post to be a RP, but it's not finished... So I suppose it'll be my next post

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

The Mighty Lopen

Just like you, I'm trying to suss out who's on what side, but no luck so far.

Young Bard, in my experience, statements like that are normally made by eliminators. We all naturally assume that villagers are trying to find the eliminators, so usually we don't feel the need to assure people we are. But the eliminators often feel that need, because they aren't.

Also, for the devotion thing, isn't it up to 9 players, since Dv can start three pm's with up to three players each? If so, I would like to request a PM with Mailliw.

Edit: nope. 3 pm's with as many people as they want. So everyone can be in a pm.

Also, Ninja'd lopen in retracting for eachother.

Edited May 15, 2016 by The Only Joe

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

As Lopen has said I am one of the more active players. If you look back on LG15 and MR12 you'll probably find my play style is similar there. Honestly I find it a bit odd since you're basically voting for me for participating and attempting to encourage discussion, which is exactly what eliminators don't want. I would consider voting for you but with two votes on me now that would tie me with Mark for the lynch which is less than ideal, and this is also the first game I've seen you in so I'd prefer to not vote for you to give you some time to play / so I can get to know you as a player. I do wonder if you're a member of the 17th Shard who was encouraged by his teammates to vote for me knowing that I wouldn't retaliate due to you being new since I just mentioned that in my post about Trel, though...

 

Thanks for responding. I don't have much desire to test that theory immediately, and honestly I'd rather just file it away for later and actually lynch someone for a valid reason. My main intention was to see how you and others would react (for those who aren't in the QF15 dead doc to see who'd ask why I'm being secretive, for those who are that might be willing to follow my lead or oppose it, things like that) as its all very telling information. Unfortunately I think you've just given us a bit too much information though. Devotion if you could create a PM with Mark and I at some point I would appreciate it greatly. Also Mark I will remove my vote from you if you'll take yours from me, and based off Con's posts so far I think he'll do so as well. I'm honestly a bit suspicious that DC hasn't removed it either, though I suppose it might be because he's aware of the theory I mentioned testing.

 

EDIT: Forgot to say this before but happy birthday Mrs. IV!

 

Those bolded parts seem suspicious to me, as well as the fact that you want a PM with Mark to get his information. I think Aman is now my top suspect. Getting mostly evil vibes from you so far. The Only Joe(don't think I've forgotten about your slight against the Lopen though.  )

 

Jeez, this thread is long. Anyway, I'll put a vote on Amanuensis for now because of what he said about voting for Mark. Not only do I dislike using anything outside of the current game as reasoning for voting, but also I'm on the same planet as Mar and he said he couldn't find anything even having looked through that doc. So, care to be a bit more specific, Aman?

 

I do know what theory he's talking about. It's something I've thought about before as well, but not something I would ever think to rely on.

 

Sorry I haven't been all that active in posting, I wanted my first post to be a RP, but it's not finished... So I suppose it'll be my next post

Anywho, I honestly am not certain what to think at the moment as I'm mostly just skimming through what's been posted, so I'll refrain from voting until I have a chance to go through everything throughly and give a viable reasoning for my vote (so, give me a few hours and I'll come up with a vote and an RP)

Also, I apologize if I don't do much analysis, that's not really my strong suit, I'm a much better observer when it comes to games like this.

 

Really, you don't usually have to do a ton of analysis(or post huge essays like some people like to do ). But voting is helpful, so if there's a few players up for the lynch, and you agree or disagree with any of them, voicing your opinion on the evidence/accusations on those players as well as placing your vote according to your opinions can be very helpful(and insightful about your alignment).

 

Edit: haha, yep, ninja'd by Joe retracting. I was gonna retract first!

 

Anyways, forgot to say that my current suspects besides Aman are Elodin and Trelagist. I'm also getting a bit suspicious of Joe as well. (Not kidding this time  )

Edited May 15, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Master Elodin]

Those bolded parts seem suspicious to me, as well as the fact that you want a PM with Mark to get his information. I think Aman is now my top suspect. Getting mostly evil vibes from you so far. The Only Joe(don't think I've forgotten about your slight against the Lopen though.  )

 

 

I do know what theory he's talking about. It's something I've thought about before as well, but not something I would ever think to rely on.

 

 

Really, you don't usually have to do a ton of analysis(or post huge essays like some people like to do ). But voting is helpful, so if there's a few players up for the lynch, and you agree or disagree with any of them, voicing your opinion on the evidence/accusations on those players as well as placing your vote according to your opinions can be very helpful(and insightful about your alignment).

 

Edit: haha, yep, ninja'd by Joe retracting. I was gonna retract first!

 

Anyways, forgot to say that my current suspects besides Aman are Elodin and Trelagist. I'm also getting a bit suspicious of Joe as well. (Not kidding this time  )

Well, you're almost always suspicious of me, so I'll take that with a shaker of salt.

[Elbereth she/her]

Finally here. Sorry I didn't post yesterday. I was busy with real life, as I mentioned in the QF, and I decided to prioritize the QF after that because it actually had turnover last night. But now I have time for both! Yay!

Suppose that's a good point, though I still think it's a theory worth testing and if I am wrong I am willing to make that mistake. Anyone else have thoughts on the matter? Even discussions like this that might seem unimportant can provide insight for us later on. Also I recommend that if there are any other subjects on people's minds you bring it up so we can see everyone's stance on them as well. My PM is relatively quiet and a lack of conversation has never helped the village.

I don't see any particular harm or gain in it at the moment. I do disagree with the gain you suggest, because I don't think Seonid would have hand-distributed the worlds. I'm more inclined to think that it was an entirely random distribution, which we can't learn anything from. Also, there were requests for specific worlds, which mess up the distribution of eliminators even if Seonid did try to distribute them equally.

The woman caught the dagger she had been juggling and pointed it directly at Valan Quivar. Lowering her flute, she considered him a moment. "Hold on, I know you," she said. "You're a highprince, right? Jah Keved, I believe?" She stood up and bowed. "Not my homeland, really, but the place ain't so bad. Good wine there, 'specially the purple stuff."

She stretched, yawning. "You're alright, sorry 'bout the misunderstanding," she said. "I heard them 17th Sharders have something nasty planned. Got any leads?"

I do hope I didn't mess up your (or Kyn's) characters too badly in that writeup. Was going to comment to that effect in LG20, but then I kind of died.

I agree with Mailliw that, at least on the current cycle, who is on which planet doesn't seem to give a lot of information. However, I think that on the next cycle, we should reveal who was on our planet in the previous cycle. This is because we know what information could have passed between which people and affected the events of the night. Thoughts on this everyone?

I'm not totally sure I understand the benefit to this. Could you elaborate, please? I don't disagree with the idea, to be clear. I just don't get why it's a particularly good idea.

Sorry everyone, I didn't have time to post this morning, before I left for a drama rehearsal. Just like you, I'm trying to suss out who's on what side, but no luck so far.

I'm curious why Aman is so active in all of this... He seems to be going above and beyond what most others are doing (I'll check other LG's he's been in to see if that's normal for him.)

Also, if this is a thing, Devotion, do you mind adding me to a PM or two? Thanks.

I agree with Joe about your second sentence being suspicious there. Reason I quoted this, though, was because Aman is definitely usually around this active. Maybe a bit more than usual? Not much, though.

There's now 4 people requesting a PM and Devotion can only make 3. So... I guess it's up to Devotion.

Well, Devotion could be smart and just put two of those people together in a PM. That'd solve the problem, wouldn't it?

One other thought. We should probably talk about passing Shards, and whether that's worthwhile. Because Hoid knows the identities of all ten Shards, at the moment. Which is... not good. So passing Shards would rob the 17th Shard of that advantage. The disadvantage, of course, is that you can't know whether you're passing your Shard to a 17th Shard member and totally invalidating the point of passing your Shard. I would tend to say that passing is the better choice, but it'd be nice to hear everyone else's thoughts on that. (Keep in mind that if you are a Shard, Hoid knows that, and if you're publicly in favor of passing your Shard, Hoid's going to know. So be careful.)

Question for Seonid:

Could Odium/Autonomy/Survival also be a member of the 17th Shard?

Edited for spacing.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Elbereth

[Mark IV he/him]

woke up, confusion blurring his surroundings. It took him a few seconds to adjust and recognise the grey shapes in his landscape.

Undulating hills strenching beyond the eye could see. One could almost see little bumps on the horizon. Mountains perhaps?

Looking up, saw a red spot glaring in the sky, like an ephemeral beast glaring down at him. Continuously flickering amidst the clouds.

Why are the clouds so thick? thought. Of course! As ash fell on , realisation dawned, and he knew where he was.

Strong wind blew from behind him, making his hair flare up around his head.

Of course, the fact that he had cerulean blue hair didn't help reduce the effect of a light flame engulfing his head.

Beside him, his companion laughed, "About time you came about. I've been waiting for a while. The barren landscape and winds aren't really the most amiable of companions, you know?

Come on."

took to the hand offered to him. "Where to now?" He asked.

"We head south.", came the answer.

"And which way is that?"

-----------

RP opening for someone. (Joe, I recall you were up for it).

As a person is quite jovial generally, but can lose his temper if someone acts illogically. He has a good sense of humor, and uses sarcasm we he gets the chance. This causes him to enter into fights quite frequently, as others don't appreciate his sarcasm/jokes and react offensively.

He doesn't really have a great code of morality. If he can justify doing something and he gets something out of it, he'll do it.

You'll see more in the RP.

EDIT: RIP English. Thanks autocorrect.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Mark IV

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I'm at church right now, but once I get home, I'll respond to the rp.

[Mark IV he/him]

No problem. will be waiting..... (and smiling ) (seriously though, that's a lot of smileys in one post)

[Arraenae]

Jeez, this thread is long. Anyway, I'll put a vote on Amanuensis for now because of what he said about voting for Mark. Not only do I dislike using anything outside of the current game as reasoning for voting, but also I'm on the same planet as Mar and he said he couldn't find anything even having looked through that doc. So, care to be a bit more specific, Aman?

 

Is that allowed?

 

Wilson/Seonid, how much stuff from the dead doc are people allowed to say to others if the game is still going on?

 

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Amanuensis did this before in MR12, when he caught Wonko for being less aggressive than in LG18, so I feel like he might be right, but using stuff like this gives people who are spectating/dead an advantage over people who aren't.

 

Also, Conquestor.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Me referencing games like LG4 gives me an advantage over people who didn't read or play the game. I'm not a mod, but I am an R&R player, and I think Aman's actions are perfectly legal. Otherwise he would have to pretend he didn't know things he did, which would not be easy or fun.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Okay, so having read through the thread, this is what I picked up on :

 

1) The debate/discussion between Mailliw and Amanuensis. I am uncomfortable with mass information reveals, or even minor ones outside of 100% confirmations, so I would tend to side with Mailliw on this one (although, the info is probably pretty well distributed already, as Amanuensis pointed out). I mostly found it interesting that Amanuensis was going to try and use the initial planet distributions as a means to find eliminators, which strikes me as a little suspicious, and not very fun, either.

 

2) Amanuensis's vote for Mark. This is a bad way to go about finding eliminators, in my opinion. If you have some sort of out of game context that might hint another player is an eliminator, that would be something to hang on to for a bit, especially if you can't or are unable to give the context. Let that player hang themselves (or not) before you act on something like that.

 

3) That being said, I find something Mark posted fairly suspicious: That the number and types of roles in this game are a reason not to lynch him. I might be missing context here, but being afraid of a player's role is basically never a reason to not lynch them. We can't forestall lynches for fear of killing seekers or whatever. Some players are just going to have to die, and it is better to kill them now rather than worry that they might have a useful or a retaliatory (I'm not sure if we have one of these this game) role.