Long Game 21: To Reforge a God

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Why'd you plan on doing that?  It seems kind of antithetical if there hasn't been much discussion.

 

I've found that lately, the lynch has been decided very late in the Day, which limits other players reactions and defenses if they don't even know that they are gonna get lynched, so by stating that I'm gonna force a lynch, players should realize that having a vote on them puts them in danger, and that will hopefully make them more likely to speak up, and even vote to try and keep themselves from dying.

 

Voting is good. Everyone should vote. If you do not vote, you allow others to be the masters of your fate. And, too, the fate of the very Cosmere.

 

Yep.

 

No reason, eh? Let's see if I can find some plausible reasons you would have voted for me, so I can respond to your accusations.

1. Voting on people first cycle is a good idea
2. I called you out on the Terris peaks
3. I went inactive during one game, and you want revenge (not sure if you were in that game, though...)
4. You're jealous of my profile picture
5. I have one of the worst RP names ever

Now that I have some reasons, I can respond by changing my name to Brian. Your four other points are all valid, though.

 

Also, I'm voting on Kynedath, because he hasn't spoken yet, and I'm suspicious of mute people.

 

Well, I actually did have a small reason. In one of my many evil games, you voted on me on Day 1(the Terris game too, but I think I remember you doing it a time before that when I was evil too). So I thought I'd return the favor in case you were the evil one in this game.

 

PK. Trelagist, you really wanted your role, but then you disappeared once you got it. Maybe you were discussing the game somewhere besides the main thread?

 

I guess I can say that I'm on Sel. I actually had the same thought that the evils might be spread throughout the planets, but I don't think it can really help us too much as of right now. Still, later on when more information has become available, it might become relevant somehow, so if there's no real danger of revealing where you are, I see no problem with it.

 

Lol, ninja'd by a vote on me.

[Amanuensis he/him]

The Mighty Lopen. Figured you were typing a post but just in case thought a poke would be a good idea. Was about to change my vote to Orlok but he's not in this game so... Arraenae. You haven't said anything yet. Thoughts? I agree with Lopen on giving people time to respond to votes so I'll likely tack a second vote onto someone soon. Think I'll stick with Mark after this though, due to that thing I mentioned when I first voted for him. I'm hanging out with some friends right now so I can't dedicate much attention to this game right now, but can someone please compose a list of who hasn't posted yet for me? Thanks.

Edited May 14, 2016 by Amanuensis

[cloudjumper he/him]

I think that this is all of them

 

Elodin

Haelbarde

Kynedath

Zephrer

Araris

Elbereth

Burnt

Phattemer

Alvron

Bard

[AliasSheep]

I agree with Mailliw that, at least on the current cycle, who is on which planet doesn't seem to give a lot of information.  However, I think that on the next cycle, we should reveal who was on our planet in the previous cycle.  This is because we know what information could have passed between which people and affected the events of the night.  Thoughts on this everyone?
 

I've found that lately, the lynch has been decided very late in the Day, which limits other players reactions and defenses if they don't even know that they are gonna get lynched, so by stating that I'm gonna force a lynch, players should realize that having a vote on them puts them in danger, and that will hopefully make them more likely to speak up, and even vote to try and keep themselves from dying.

Given the events of QF15, yeah, that makes sense.

 

Aman, I'm confused as to why you can't reveal your reasoning behind voting Mark, is it something in your planet PM?

EDIT:  If you hadn't guessed, I'm on Roshar.  I don't mind revealing my planet, given I requested it.

Edited May 14, 2016 by AliasSheep

[Amanuensis he/him]

Aman, I'm confused as to why you can't reveal your reasoning behind voting Mark, is it something in your planet PM?

 

It has to do with something that was brought up in the QF15 dead doc. I can't mention it because it has something to do with players still alive in that game

[AliasSheep]

It has to do with something that was brought up in the QF15 dead doc. I can't mention it because it has something to do with players still alive in that game

 

Hmm, I don't see how that would be relevant to this game, but I guess I'll wait and see.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I think I know what he's talking about. Eh, it's up to him, but the smiley face name was the entire reason.

[Amanuensis he/him]

The reason for you voting for him doesn't really matter, just curious to test the theory.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

I'm actually quite suspicious of Trelagist. First off, he was seemingly very excited to get his role PM, but then, once he got it, he never did post again(still hasn't). I'm sure he saw it, since he was last online about 4 hours after the role PM's were sent out. Plus, he's in Sel too, and I sent a fairly lengthy PM to the players there, and he viewed it, but didn't respond. Now, I don't want to make the same mistake that I made with LUNA in LG17, where I was suspicious of her for not responding to my PM with her, but I just feel like he's being very quiet for the amount of enthusiasm he was showing right before he learned what team he was on/what power he got(if any).

 

I'm also slightly suspicious of Aman. I'd say it's mostly gut, but his vote and then retraction on me, plus him saying he agreed with me about lynches kinda made me wary of him. Not sure why. It just kinda felt like he was trying to get on my good side somehow(which he's done before(I'm thinking of MR11 :/ )).

 

I'm reading Sheep as village. Also, Mailliw a little bit(really, only a tiny tiny bit ).

[AliasSheep]

I'm reading Sheep as village. Also, Mailliw a little bit(really, only a tiny tiny bit ).

<3

 

I agree with you on the Trel bit, though it's not something I would have picked up on myself.

 

EDIT: Off-topic, but something that came up in our world PM: Is Ruin's world destroyer ability more like the Death Star or Starkiller base.  I'm leaning towards Starkiller.  Thoughts?

Edited May 14, 2016 by AliasSheep

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

<3

 

I agree with you on the Trel bit, though it's not something I would have picked up on myself.

 

EDIT: Off-topic, but something that came up in our world PM: Is Ruin's world destroyer ability more like the Death Star or Starkiller base.  I'm leaning towards Starkiller.  Thoughts?

 

If you agree, hop on the wagon! It's only me right now.

 

Gotta be the Death Star, right? Because it can only destroy one world at a time. Although there's 2 things that would make me say Starkiller base, the first being the one Cycle charge period, because the Death Star didn't need to charge, and the second being that the Death Star needed to be close to its target, whereas Starkiller base seemed more long distance(and Ruin can destroy any planet, no matter where he is). So, it's somewhat of a mixture of the two. 

[leiftinspace he/him]

 

Gotta be the Death Star, right? Because it can only destroy one world at a time. Although there's 2 things that would make me say Starkiller base, the first being the one Cycle charge period, because the Death Star didn't need to charge, and the second being that the Death Star needed to be close to its target, whereas Starkiller base seemed more long distance(and Ruin can destroy any planet, no matter where he is). So, it's somewhat of a mixture of the two. 

 

That was my thought when I made the comparison, that Ruin can destroy any planet, no matter which one he's on. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

I'm also slightly suspicious of Aman. I'd say it's mostly gut, but his vote and then retraction on me, plus him saying he agreed with me about lynches kinda made me wary of him. Not sure why. It just kinda felt like he was trying to get on my good side somehow(which he's done before(I'm thinking of MR11 :/ )).

 

Well I've voted on and retracted for a lot of people just because I was trying to keep the conversation moving, so it's not like you're special or anything but that second bit is consistent with what I said in QF15 where I am trying something different by making sure someone is lynched every turn to make sure the game doesn't stagnate. Not trying to get on your good side, it's just common sense that last minute votes to decide lynches do more harm than good. I would have elaborated on it more for why I agree but like I said in blue text I can't divert too much attention to this game right now because I'm with friends.

[Arraenae]

 

Okay, in that case I don't think there's any reason for us to keep people's starting locations a secret then. If anyone else disagrees please speak up and explain why, but here's my perspective on the situation. The 17th Shard / Odium / Autonomy are going to kill and convert whoever they want. The only real danger we have with everyone knowing who is where is Ruin potentially destroying a planet to role block its inhabitants, but at this point in time no one should know each others roles so I doubt Ruin will use his ability this early, and if he does it probably won't be for that reason. More likely than not the 17th Shard is spread out among the worlds and therefore have an information advantage, as they can compile who is on the same world as them and probably figure out where the others are, and due to them being spread out we might be able to narrow down suspects based on who began where. I have a theory that each planet PM is compromised by one of the three "Evils," and barring any better leads currently think it might be worth looking into. Overall I just think that this is one of those situations where the village would benefit more than the other factions in having this information out in the open. Beyond starting locations I don't think it'll be so important where players hop to but that also might be something worth tracking in the future.

 

Thoughts, people? I will go ahead and mention that I am on Taldain as I personally don't see a reason to keep it a secret. I will not reveal who is there with me, however, just in case they'd rather people not know for whatever reason.

 

EDIT FOR VOTE TALLY

 

(2) Mark IV: DeathClutch19, Amanuensis, 

(1) Paranoid King: The Mighty Lopen, 

(1) Quiver: Nyali, 

(1) Araris Valerian: Paranoid King,

(1) Burnt Spaghetti: Conquestor, 

 

You seem very certain about the number of eliminators there are. Care to explain why, Amanuensis?

 

The Mighty Lopen. Figured you were typing a post but just in case thought a poke would be a good idea. Was about to change my vote to Orlok but he's not in this game so... Arraenae. You haven't said anything yet. Thoughts? I agree with Lopen on giving people time to respond to votes so I'll likely tack a second vote onto someone soon. Think I'll stick with Mark after this though, due to that thing I mentioned when I first voted for him. I'm hanging out with some friends right now so I can't dedicate much attention to this game right now, but can someone please compose a list of who hasn't posted yet for me? Thanks.

Kind of difficult to post inthread if I'm watching Zootopia (or eating lunch afterwards talking my parents' ears off...)

[Amanuensis he/him]

You seem very certain about the number of eliminators there are. Care to explain why, Amanuensis?

 

Kind of difficult to post inthread if I'm watching Zootopia (or eating lunch afterwards talking my parents' ears off...)

 

By one of the three "Evils" I'm referring to 17th Shard, Autonomy and Odium as win conditions. All of their wins will result in a village loss. Not trying to guess how many 17th Sharders there are, but I'd reason four since once Odium and Autonomy choose their Champion and Agent then that effectively means there are 8 players of 25 that do not count toward the village win con. Also, Arraenae. Will poke Zephrer to encourage them to post. I personally find lurkers automatically suspicious, since conversation is the strongest tool we have for catching eliminators.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Well I've voted on and retracted for a lot of people just because I was trying to keep the conversation moving, so it's not like you're special or anything but that second bit is consistent with what I said in QF15 where I am trying something different by making sure someone is lynched every turn to make sure the game doesn't stagnate. Not trying to get on your good side, it's just common sense that last minute votes to decide lynches do more harm than good. I would have elaborated on it more for why I agree but like I said in blue text I can't divert too much attention to this game right now because I'm with friends.

 

Yeah, as I said, it's mostly gut. I just wanted to elaborate a little more than saying "my gut is suspicious of you." Because that doesn't exactly help anyone.

 

I was actually thinking that the 17th Shard might only have 3 players(Hoid, with 2 minions). Hoid is pretty powerful(and rightly so ), so along with Odium and Autonomy, the village would have a tough time working against 8 players. It's hard to really say right now, but that's my guess.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Yeah, as I said, it's mostly gut. I just wanted to elaborate a little more than saying "my gut is suspicious of you." Because that doesn't exactly help anyone.

 

I was actually thinking that the 17th Shard might only have 3 players(Hoid, with 2 minions). Hoid is pretty powerful(and rightly so ), so along with Odium and Autonomy, the village would have a tough time working against 8 players. It's hard to really say right now, but that's my guess.

Fair enough and before someone asks how I came to 8 as a conclusion it's because normal eliminator numbers are usually 20% (which would be five) so I subtracted one, then added in the two shards and their investees.

[leiftinspace he/him]

Left of Space was slowly getting used to these strange mountains that he had found himself in. The fact that so many of them had lake-filled craters at the top of them was unusual, but at least evry bit of plant and animal life here weren't trying to kill him. The people, however, might be another matter. He didn't consider himself to be unfit, but these red-haired giants seemed to possess a strength that would put even the most fit trapper to shame. He had not yet been seen, but he figured it was only a matter of time. He couldn't slip away from the area, for if he strayed too far away from these strange peaks he encountered cold such as he had never known on patji, as well as strange water that was colder than the coldest spring, and solid, but would melt if you touched it. Nothing that he had with had prepared him to travel through that.

 

He couldn't even go back to the pool he first discovered himself in, for these strange people seemed to have a certain reverence for them, and kept a close eye on the area, or so it seemed. It had taken all of his skill as a trapper to avoid being seen as he got out of there the first time, and even then, he suspected that he had been lucky.

 

However, his most pressing concern was to find a place to shelter for the night. He had heard these giants reference a storm of some sort coming, and from the preparations these people were making for it, he figured it would be a bad one. I hope these storms aren't very frequent......

 

So I'll be honest, I have no idea if the highstorms are bad at the horneater peaks or not, so if anyone knows anything that I don't about that, feel free to tell me so.

[AliasSheep]

If you agree, hop on the wagon! It's only me right now. 

 

Gotta be the Death Star, right? Because it can only destroy one world at a time. Although there's 2 things that would make me say Starkiller base, the first being the one Cycle charge period, because the Death Star didn't need to charge, and the second being that the Death Star needed to be close to its target, whereas Starkiller base seemed more long distance(and Ruin can destroy any planet, no matter where he is). So, it's somewhat of a mixture of the two.  

 

Ruin can actually destroy multiple planets at once in this, since Roshar is being used to represent the Greater Roshar system (I think it was Hael that wanted to start on Braize), so if Ruin destroys Roshar, they'd be destrying Roshar, and also Braize and also Ashyn.  However, it's closer to the Death Star in that it doesn't need an external power source like a sun to be able to pull of its massive destruction.

 

Yeah, as I said, it's mostly gut. I just wanted to elaborate a little more than saying "my gut is suspicious of you." Because that doesn't exactly help anyone.

 

I was actually thinking that the 17th Shard might only have 3 players(Hoid, with 2 minions). Hoid is pretty powerful(and rightly so ), so along with Odium and Autonomy, the village would have a tough time working against 8 players. It's hard to really say right now, but that's my guess.

 

Agreeing with you again, those seem pretty good numbers.

 

Going to poke Leift.  You've been around a fair bit, but haven't put your opinions out.  What are your thoughts on the game at the moment?

Edited May 14, 2016 by AliasSheep

[leiftinspace he/him]

 

Ruin can actually destroy multiple planets at once in this, since Roshar is being used to represent the Greater Roshar system (I think it was Hael that wanted to start on Braize), so if Ruin destroys Roshar, they'd be destrying Roshar, and also Braize and also Ashyn.  However, it's closer to the Death Star in that it doesn't need an external power source like a sun to be able to pull of its massive destruction.

 

 

Agreeing with you again, those seem pretty good numbers.

 

Going to poke Leift.  You've been around a fair bit, but haven't put your opinions out.  What are your thoughts on the game at the moment?

My thoughts are that the game is awesome, and Sheep stinks like a goat for poking me . Game analysis really isn't my strong suit, especially when it is day 1 so we have basically nothing to go on. However, I will say that I agree with previous sentiments that there may not be much purpose to reveal which world we are on, but there also isn't any purpose to not say where we are, and communication is always beneficial to the villagers. So, as I've already hinted in my RP, I'm on Roshar. 

 

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Seonid confirmed that we have all 10 known Shards in the game, so I agree with the sentiments that the other factions will be pretty small to keep things from being too overpowered against the villagers. Hoid and the 17th shard are the eliminators in this game, right? I think that with the 17th shard and Odium in play, the 17th shard will probably be pretty small, so 3 players plus Hoid. Feel free to poke/enlarge holes in this. As I said, analysis isn't one of my strengths.

 

And stop poking me Sheep, or I'll have mutton tonight. 

Edited May 15, 2016 by leiftinspace

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Ok guys, I'm here, and have sorta skimmed the thread, but I'm tired right now. So know that I recognize that I have been voted for, and feel no pressure to move that vote, since I committed to posting at least twice each cycle. I'm just not going to add to the conversation for probably another 18 hours or so.

[Arraenae]

Nila sat in a chair in a Scadrialan ballroom, half of her attention on the plate in front of her, the other half of her attention on the world she'd uncovered just a few weeks ago.

 

Quick staccato beats collided with slower bass beats followed by a something that sounded like a frantic heartbeat covered up with a high pitched whine that all smashed together into a cacophony of melodies all trying to outdo each other in a competition of which could be the loudest and most obnoxious.

 

Nila loved it. Bronze was even better than she'd expected -- now all she needed to find if someone was a Metalborn was to pop some flakes of metal into her mouth. Eventually, she'd learn how to distinguish between the metals, and, Adonalsium willing, she'd be able to detect all forms of Investiture.

 

Someone said something, but it was covered up by the sound of the pulses. Nila stopped burning bronze and looked up.

 

A Terris steward stood in front of her table, one hand stretched towards her table.

 

"What did you say?" she asked.

 

"Is your meal to your liking, Lady Hamming?" he said.

 

Nila glanced down at the food in front of her. She'd been so entranced by allomantic bronze that she hadn't even touched her food. "Of course," she said.

 

"If you need anything, please ask," the Terrisman said. Then he moved on to the next table.

 

Nila looked around at the Scadrialans happily eating, and eyed the fruit in front of her. It looked nothing like the fare on the Southern side of the planet, and she didn't trust it. Unfortunately, she had to eat something to blend in, or risk being bothered by another servant. She picked up the least bruised fruit and took a small bite.

 

It was extremely bitter, just as horrible as it looked. Nila grimaced. The only redeeming feature of Scadrial was the Metallic Arts. On the bright side, Nila would be out of this miserable planet in a few months. She just had to stay long enough to meet up with a few people.

 

Nila burned bronze again, and rhythmic pulses filled her mind again. She fingered the spike stuck inbetween her ribs in appreciation. The puncture hole hurt, but at least it wasn't bleeding anymore.

 

She glanced around at the partygoers around her, but all of them looked insipid, plain, and native to Scadrial. She was supposed to meet a fellow worldhopper here, but they hadn't revealed themselves yet.

 

Nila took another bite of the fruit and wrinkled her nose. The other worldhopper better show up soon. She wanted to get off of this dreary planet as soon as possible.

 

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EDIT: open RP for anyone to join in!

Edited May 15, 2016 by Arraenae

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Fair enough and before someone asks how I came to 8 as a conclusion it's because normal eliminator numbers are usually 20% (which would be five) so I subtracted one, then added in the two shards and their investees.

 

Was going over the rules, and I think I've changed my mind slightly. I now am leaning more towards the 17th Shard having Hoid plus 3 other members. Mostly because Autonomy isn't really directly working against the village, plus they could convert 17th Shard members, and Odium might kill/convert members of the 17th Shard, so only giving Hoid 2 minions seems underpowered. Not that it really helps us to try and guess how many members they have right now, but that's my thoughts on that subject.

 

To elaborate on the list of inactives Cloudjumper posted a bit ago, each of those players: Elodin, Hael, Zephrer, Elbereth, Burnt, phattemer, Alvron and The Young Bard have been online since roles were sent out. Could you 8 players post something, so we know you're paying attention(or not)?

 

Kynedath hasn't been on, so I'm assuming he's not checked his alignment yet and Araris has now posted.

 

And of course, I'd very much like to hear from Trelagist. Aman, what do you think of Trelagist?

[Amanuensis he/him]

Well, Trelagist is still alive in QF15 but hasn't posted on there since May 13th. Overall he wasn't very active that game, but it appears that he was fairly active in LG20, in which he died on May 6th... so basically it seems he doesn't have a habit of consistent activity. I'm guessing the reason he hasn't posted here recently is the same reason why he hasn't posted in the QF, which looking at the last time he was online (over thirteen hours ago) is probably due to something that's going on in the real world and/or his time zone. I don't believe he received any votes before him logging off so it's not like he had a reason to speak up in defense of himself when he was online. I have been paying attention to who's viewing the thread fairly often and have yet to see any guests so I doubt it's a matter of him watching the thread anonymously while talking in a document, which is also supported by the fact that he's not following the thread and thus not receiving emails. While I do think that it's odd that he was active before and eager to receive his role and then proceeded to disappear after the fact, I don't think that's damning enough evidence on its own. Plus he's a newer player and I always try to give them some leeway.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Alv said he wouldn't be active for the first cycle or so on his sign up.