Long Game 17: Heronfall

[TheMightyLopen]

Players online times. Who's been online in the last 24 hours:

 

1. STINK - has been online very recently

2. Anamaximder - last online about 30 hours or so ago

3. Hellscythe - has been online very recently

4. Kynedath - last online about 24 hours ago

5. Shallan - last online about 8 days ago

6. phattemer - last online about 2 and a half days ago I think?

7. Ripple - has been online very recently

8. Elkanah - last online about 4 days ago

9. Bridge Boy - has been online very recently

10. Adavanots - last online about 14 hours ago or something like that

11. Lopen - last online right now 

12. Clanky - has been online very recently

13. SilverDragon - has been online very recently

14. luckat - has been online very recently

15. LUNA - has been online very recently

 

So I'd list phattemer, Shallan and Elkanah as truly inactive. Elkanah will die unless he gets on soon, so there may not be a mission this time.

[Mailliw73]

(In all seriousness, I have had a GM turned evil before in these games, and it wouldn't surprise me if Yolen turned out the same. Remember Meal? Because I remember. A butter knife Mailliw. A butter knife. I still have the PM of that. I will get you for that one day.)

Not my fault. Blame Orlok, Alv, and Lopen for that one. And El is the one who did the writeup. But, I'll admit, i found it hilarious.

[RippleGylf]

My PM with Elbereth, as I said I would post:

[REMOVED]

It seemed odd to me at the time that she (sorry if I'm using incorrect pronouns) sent me a new PM mid-game, but I see now that that's due to my inactivity. I would really like to be more active, and I think after this game I'll take a brief hiatus until I can commit to do that.

Edited February 21, 2016 by little wilson
Copy/pasting PMs is against the rules

[Wyrmhero]

Can a mod please delete or edit Ripple's post?

 

I refer you to the rules of the game (as in, SE in general rather than this game specifically), which state that you are not allowed to copy and paste from PMs.

Edited February 21, 2016 by Wyrmhero

[Wyrmhero]

I have not recieved a list of players from Elkanah, and so he has been killed for inactivity.

 

Elkanah was a Mistrunner!

No players have been selected for the mission.

[STINK]

At least we don't have to worry about the mission?

[Elbereth]

(In all seriousness, I have had a GM turned evil before in these games, and it wouldn't surprise me if Yolen turned out the same. Remember Meal? Because I remember. A butter knife Mailliw. A butter knife. I still have the PM of that. I will get you for that one day.)

Not my fault. Blame Orlok, Alv, and Lopen for that one. And El is the one who did the writeup. But, I'll admit, i found it hilarious.

Yup, entirely my fault for that.

...I'm not sorry.

Edited February 22, 2016 by Elbereth

[TheMightyLopen]

I hope everyone's ready to be active and discussing things tomorrow. We really need everyone.

 

Players online times(I figured I'd do it now and do it once the Day Turn starts as well, so everyone has an idea of activity levels):

 

1. STINK - last online about 6 hours ago

2. Anamaximder - last online about 60 hours ago. Has not been online during this Night Turn yet.

3. Hellscythe - last online 5 hours ago

4. Kynedath - last online about 2 hours ago(but hasn't responded to my PM?  )

5. Shallan - last online about 9 days ago. INACTIVE

6. phattemer - last online about 17 hours ago. Has not been online since Elkanah died.

7. Ripple - last online about 27 hours ago. Has not been online since Elkanah died.

8. Bridge Boy - last online about 29 hours ago. Has not been online since Elkanah died.

9. Adavanots - last online about 1 hour ago

10. Lopen - is online as I'm typing this!

11. Clanky - last online about 1 hour ago

12. SilverDragon - last online about 26 hours ago. Has not been online since Elkanah died.

13. luckat - is online as I'm typing this

14. LUNA - last online about 12 hours ago. has not been online since Elkanah died.

 

I don't really have much else to add right now, since it's the Night Turn.

 

BB, I looked it up, and Alvron was the one who sent in the kill on you, so him and Elbereth are the ones to blame. 

[Elithanathile]

Sorry about not being on for 29 hours, yesterday was Sunday, and I don't usually get on the computer at all on Sunday.

BB, I looked it up, and Alvron was the one who sent in the kill on you, so him and Elbereth are the ones to blame. 

I was talking about the write up, not the actual act of dying. I'm fine with dying, but do you know how hard it is to properly stab someone with a butter knife? Let me tell you, it is hard. And very, very wimpy for the guy who stood there and let someone slowly attempt to grind a butter knife into him right outside the door to the inn. I don't feel I was represented properly there. So yeah, revenge. I will aim for Elbereth though now. Glad to have the right target for my evil plot.

[Wyrmhero]

The Night is over! No more PMs please.

[Wyrmhero]

Day 5: Early to Work

“Extr-ah! Extr-ah! Read-ah all-ah about it!”

Lucy rolled her eyes at the hawker trying to offload his stack of broadsheets onto the unsuspecting crowd. They were of course Heron News broadsheets, and therefore contained very little of worth if you wanted to find out what was actually happening in the world. But they were still informative; to a more discerning eye, they told you what they wanted you to think.

So despite her distaste at the man standing on the corner of the road, she paid a few clips to their oppressors and took a paper off him. Perhaps she could have stolen it, but she had places to be. She didn't fancy having to chase off Lone Shard officers if she was spotted, and couldn't be more cautious about it. All it would do was waste time to save money. Even the message it sent would ultimately not be worth it.

Her eyes scanned the headlines as she walked, careful to keep her head down. It was said that in Luthadel, many years past now, the people tried to hide themselves away from the world as much as possible. They didn't want to be seen by the nobility. Now, however, it was not a question of fear but of selfishness. Perhaps that was too strong a word. But regardless, people kept themselves to themselves. In a densely populated area such as this, privacy became even more important.

“'Once there was a Loyal Communications Expert named...'” she read, before frowning at the next part. “'Check back tomorrow for chapter 2! Unless I die. Or get lynched. Or forget.'” She shook her head. “What the hell is that meant to mean? Why do they even pay these writers?”

The rest of it was more informative, though the bar was not set very high in the first place. Something about a Mistrunner's body being found... Oh, Lane. She recognised that name. She shook her head and discarded the paper in a recycling bin.

She arrived at the hideout and knocked in their pre-arranged manner on the door. Not that it was a needed precaution – She had no doubt that Feis Yolen had more secret methods of detection hidden away.

The door opened, and it was not who she expected who had answered her. Instead of their employer's acerbic assistant, it was another of the Mistrunners.

“Oh, hi,” he said, smiling a little uncertainly. “You're early, Lucy.”

“I am?” Lucy asked. Then she shrugged. “Well, I'm not the only one, am I?”

“I guess not,” he nodded, a self-deprecating smile on his face. “I don't really have much more to do in the mornings, so I came here and opened shop.”

“You have a key?” Lucy asked, raising an eyebrow. She didn't have a key. She hadn't thought Yolen would play favourites like that, especially since he barely knew any of them.

“Yeah,” he smiled. “I cloned it when she left the shop early and left the key behind. Seemed like the sensible thing to do.”

“I suppose so...” she nodded. Strange, but not that weird. A Mistrunner was always prepared, and she could hardly blame him for copying a key to this place. Always best to have a backup plan. Except... She frowned, hand going to her side for her knife. It was less obvious than her gun. “That means you were here when Elbe died.”

“...Ah. Er. Whoops?” He chuckled nervously and took a step back. His hand went to his side and he drew his own gun. “I guess I've got no choice.” He raised it up at Lucy, who paused as she raised it to defend herself. “You guys really need to go for your guns first.” He pulled the trigger, and Lucy was never early for anything again.
 

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Lucy was a Communications Expert!

Player List

 

IrulelikeSTINK - IrulelikeSTINK - A placeholder.
Anamaximder - Alexandrius Venturia
Mailliw73 - Miller Washington - Medical Knowledge
Hellscythe - Avis
Kynedath - Dragonsight - A teetotal seasoned criminal.
Shallan - Citona Vinid - Thinks quickly on her feet.
phattemer - Exisa - Paranoid, but who isn't in this business?
Elbereth - Elbe - Quiet and polite - Well-Connected
RippleGylf - Ripple - Another teetotaler, but not so far proven to be seasoned at criminal activity.
Elkanah - Lane - None of your business - Mistrunner
Bridge Boy - Sam Flynn - Experienced Mistrunner and Cognitive Matrix explorer.
Adavantos - Count Banuir Reynaud - Count is actually his first name.
TheMightyLopen - Lopen - Excitable and forward-looking.
Araris Valerian - Araris - A fencer with an aluminium sword - Mistrunner
Burnt Spaghetti - Ember Ghetti - Most definitely not a Kandra - Mistrunner
Clanky - Clanky - A placeholder.
Arraenae - Niter - A mute guy with a high-tech notepad - Assassin
The Silver Dragon - Star Thief - Part-Scadrialian, part-magpie, all mysterious
luckat - Lucy - Never late, nor early - Communications Specialist
LUNA - Eda - A new Mistrunner.
OrlokTsubodai - Locke Tekiel - Always in a rush - Mistrunner

Day 5 has begun! PMs may no longer be sent. The Day will end on Wednesday at 8PM GMT.

Edited June 6, 2017 by Alvron

[STINK]

So can we all agree on the fact that the eliminators most likely have a hacker?

[Kynedath]

Araris.

 

I have been inactive for . . . I don't know how long. During that time, only two people have tried to contact me. I have given both of them the excuse of conducting a social experiment. The explanation is technically true, but I was mostly just seeing who would react to my inactivity. One of them accused me of being useless and almost trying to threaten me with threats of lynching, while the other only seemed worried about my lack of participation. I am wondering why so many of you would leave me be when my policy in previous games has been to attack inactives for hiding behind the veil of inactivity and lurking. My excuse of a "social experiment" was the perfect way to hide.

 

Araris was just recently complaining about a lack of activity from the lurkers and inactives, saying that there needed to be more discussion. And yet, they never once contacted me, trying to get me to participate in the thread. Eliminators want people to be inactive, because that means that they are not trying to find out who they are. Keeping up appearances is also important, hence the protestation of inactivity from Araris. But not pursuing an increase in activity.

 

Sorry I haven't actually contributed, but I wanted to know how you would react to me dissapearing after a huge RP.

[TheMightyLopen]

Online times:

 

1. STINK - online right now

2. Anamaximder - last online about1 hour ago

3. Hellscythe - last online about 10 minutes ago(or he's still online right now)

4. Kynedath - last online about 30 minutes ago

5. Shallan - last online about 10 days ago

6. phattemer - last online about 8 hours ago

7. Ripple - last online about 1 hour ago

8. Bridge Boy - last online about 1 hour ago

9. Adavantos - last online about 8 hours ago

10. Lopen - online right now

11. Clanky - last online about 2 hours ago

12. SilverDragon - last online about 40 hours ago

13. LUNA - last online about 2 hours ago

 

I'll make an actual post with stuff in it later. Here's basically what me and luckat talked about in my PM with her. This is a very shortened version, since we talked quite a bit.

 

She didn't do a role trade with me. Then we talked about role claiming and codes for awhile. Next we talked about the mission a little(because it was my turn to pick). Then we talked about how inactivity is probably the worst thing in the world for awhile.   We talked about how I was trying to keep track of online times to see if I could see any patterns or learn anything from that(I haven't really looked over all the times I've posted online times yet though, so nothing unusual to report on that), and we talked about some roles a little. That's about it really. We talked pretty in depth about each subject.

 

I figure I should post what she was thinking about each player she talked about, so here they are:

 

phatt: talked about how inactive he was, but that she noticed he hadn't been off for an entire Night, so maybe he was just checking in to get by the inactivity filter(missions, in this case). She said he didn't look at the PM she made, even though he got on during the Night. He's never looked at the PM I made with him either, and that was on the first Night.

 

BB and Ripple: She said both of them seem more like quiet types, but they've both made some useful comments during the game. She said her gut instinct was a little suspicious of Ripple for her comments relating to Rae, but then said that she thought she might be Loyal with her last posts(I think she was referring to the one where Ripple c/p'd her PM with Elbereth).

 

Kynedath: I told her that I'd talked to him about his inactivity/lurking and he told me that he was doing a "social experiment." (I was just ninja'd by Stink and Kynedath.) Anyways, like Kyne said, she's said it was pretty upsetting that he wasn't talking and that we should probably lynch him next.

 

That's pretty much it. We were talking about inactivity for most of the last Night Turn.

 

Stink, I personally think they do, yes.

 

Kynedath, Araris was lynched last Cycle actually. He was Loyal.

[Kynedath]

Sorry, Araris, I misread, I meant Ada. My bad.

 

BTW, Thanks Lopen.

Edited February 22, 2016 by Kynedath

[TheMightyLopen]

Kyne, could you elaborate on your reasoning for voting on Ada? I don't remember him complaining about inactivity very recently. 

[Kynedath]

Sorry, I would love to, but I have to go to a family reunion. I will probably be gone for today and most of tomorrow. I will have to leave you with my last explanation.

[Clanky]

So Kyn the only reason that you weren't active is because you wanted to see how other players would respond? Does that mean that you actually had the ability to contribute but decided against it? f so I don't think a "social experiment" is worth it to harm your tea like that. You did however mention that it was an excuse for a way to hide. Could you clarify what you mean by that?

[Amanuensis]

Sorry, Araris, I misread, I meant Ada. My bad.

 

BTW, Thanks Lopen.

 

Sorry, I would love to, but I have to go to a family reunion. I will probably be gone for today and most of tomorrow. I will have to leave you with my last explanation.

 

I wish there was some genuine reasoning to this. Can't really defend myself if there's no just reasoning for your vote on me. Might as well mention that you've been at the very top of my suspicion list for a few cycles now for your strange inactivity, in addition to your connection to Arraenae. Honestly right now I can't help but wonder if this "social experiment" of yours is just an excuse, while in reality your intent has to fly under the radar after losing one of your teammates.

 

So yeah. Right now, if there's any player I'd vote for, it'd probably be yourself or BB. I'll give you time to respond / hopefully explain your vote on me. The only thing working in your favor is that it doesn't make much sense for an eliminator to accidentally vote for an already dead + proven good player only to change it to someone else for seemingly no reason, as it draws way too much unnecessary attention to you. Maybe that's the point? I don't know. Thoughts, anyone?

 

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EDIT

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Oh, and before I forget.

 

So can we all agree on the fact that the eliminators most likely have a hacker?

 

Stink, I personally think they do, yes.

 

Do you guys mean Data Gatherer? Hacker's the one that scans alignments.

Edited February 23, 2016 by Adavantos

[TheMightyLopen]

Player analysis(too lazy to type out a full analysis of each player, so basically it's just my thoughts on each player ). Hopefully this is useful.

 

Stink - Has been consistently active. Revealed Arraenae as a Traitor and didn't kill the Hacker who claimed to him. He's been playing what I think is somewhat differently than normal, but I can't say it's made me very suspicious of him. I've talked with him a fair amount in PM's, and from that and his posts, I think he's Loyal. IF he's a Traitor, I'd look a little more closely at LUNA, because he revealed Arraenae when she was up for the lynch, so maybe he figured he'd save one of his teammates by lynching the one who had already been scanned as a Traitor. I do think he's Loyal though.

 

Anamaximder - Basically as active as he usually is, which isn't very much. He did vote on Arraenae on the first Cycle, but that's actually been his only vote this entire time. That's kind of his style though, do a first Day vote, but then not participate much later on in terms of voting. From what I remember, later on in games he seems to latch on to someone else's argument and bandwagon alongside them. This game hasn't had much in terms of accusations and such, so maybe that's the reason for his lack of voting lately. Arraenae defended him from Clanky and Adavantos on Cycle 2, but I don't think that necessarily makes him a Traitor. All in all, I actually think he might be Loyal.

 

Hellscythe - Has only posted in thread twice. The first was a poke vote on luckat and him saying he had some opinions for the mission but was gonna wait until the Night Turn(which he's never told anyone I don't think.). His next post didn't have a lot in it. He suggested keeping the same players on the mission as the first Night(Lopen, Hellscythe, Elkanah and STINK), and then he voted fro Stink asking for his reasoning for voting on Mailliw. While his inactivity is certainly disappointing, I don't think it necessarily points to him being a Traitor. In MR11, he had about the same amount of inactivity later on in the game, and he was village in that game. I've asked him about it and he told me(in blue text) that he had some real life stuff going on that stopped him from paying as much attention as usual. Not a lot to go on really, but from what little I've got, I'd guess Loyal.

 

Kynedath - Was pretty active in the first Cycle, but his last post besides this Cycle's was about 11 days ago, during which he has consistently been online and even posting in other places(such as the QF13 sign-up thread). He's not only been very quiet in the thread, but in my PM with him as well. As was stated earlier, I asked him about his inactivity and he gave the excuse he mentioned earlier. Still, I can't understand why he would do that, or why, even if he was doing that, why not PM me? It wouldn't alert anyone besides me that he was actually active. His vote on Araris was his first as well, and he's dead. He changed it to Ada, but the reasoning he gave was pointed at Araris. The things he was accusing Araris of, Ada hasn't really done, which is why I asked him to elaborate, because he couldn't have been talking about Adavantos(he refers to Araris as "they" and I know he's familiar enough with Ada to know he's a guy, so I'm sure he was actually accusing Araris). He's one of my top suspicions at this point, and I'd very much like to hear what he thinks he's learned that can benefit the village from his period of inactivity. 

 

Shallan - Well this one is gonna be short.   She's literally NEVER posted. The last time she was online was at the very beginning of Night 2. I've got to say, I'm not a fan of her basically being inactive in most of her games. Maybe she's been busy or gone somewhere in real life or something, I don't know. All we know about her is that she hasn't sent in any Actions the past 2 Nights at least, and I'd guess she didn't do anything on Night 2 either, since she was only on for like, the first 20 minutes of it.

 

phattemer - On the first Cycle, he said he should be active for the first few Cycles, but that was his last post(except for once when he said "I missed that Cycle" at the very end of Day 2). He's been online occasionally, but he hasn't posted, voted or even looked at PM's that players have sent him(at least, he didn't look at mine or luckats). Also, as luckat mentioned, he's been online enough to avoid dying from missions, but has been silent. phattemer, what's going on?

 

Ripple - Not a lot from her either. Mostly just off-topic things or RP. The only times she's ever really commented on anyone's alignment was Rae when she was up for the lynch, where Ripple said she thought her last post seemed village. If it had been a little earlier in the Cycle, I would say she might have been trying to stop Rae from being lynched, but that post was about 20 minutes before the Day ended, so I don't see much point for it from a Traitors perspective. Ripple later commented on Rae's white text(which said Rae scanned BB and LUNA as village), which, as luckat pointed out, could be she noticed it because she already knew about it, but it's possible she just noticed it herself. The white text is made to look like spacing, so it does make the post look a little odd. Since then, she's only posted about Elbereth and hers PM. I would say I'm suspicious of her because of her quietness, but it seems to be how she is somewhat. It would be nice if she would contribute more often with more opinions on players. My read on her: Neutral/Maybe Traitor. My PM with her has been very quiet, with most responses very short and not really telling alignment wise.

 

Bridge Boy - Not a lot of posts. They are somewhat long, but a lot of them are mainly RP(which is cool, btw, not discouraging that at all). Mainly, I'd say any case against him would be that he hasn't give many opinions on players, or been very active(but that's true with quite a lot of players! ). He voted on LUNA, following my lead apparently, but when Stink revealed that Arraenae was a Traitor, he never moved his vote or anything. I believe he was online during the time after the reveal. BB, why didn't you vote on Arraenae after Stink revealed she'd been scanned as a Traitor? Also, do you have any suspicions? I'm not particularly suspicious of BB though, but would like to hear his opinions on things. It's the 5th Cycle, so I would think that's enough time to form some suspicions, even if they're not particularly strong(I'm having trouble getting any strong suspicions myself, since there hasn't been a whole lot of discussion in this game). In my PM with BB, I've gotten somewhat of a Loyal vibe from him in there, but still not a lot to go on. My gut tells me he's Loyal, but my gut is pretty much the worst, so yeah. 

 

Adavantos - I already did somewhat of my thoughts on him earlier in the game, and with luckat being found Loyal, my suspicion of him has really only grown. I feel like he hasn't been as active as he usually is when he's village, and he hasn't participated in the lynch hardly at all. He hasn't been particularly active in my PM with him either. Not sure if he's just busier than usual, but he is definitely one of my top suspicions. In response to your question, no Ada, I meant Hacker, not Data Gatherer.

 

Clanky - He hasn't been as active as other games, but he actually did have an excuse(real life stuff), so I wouldn't hold that against him. He's voted for Anamaximder a couple times, which I don't think is very helpful in promoting discussion, because Anamax rarely responds even when voted upon. Last Day Turn, he voted on Araris for the font change in his post, but even when an explanation for that was presented, he didn't retract his vote. He gave some other reasons(not particularly great reasons, and one of the reasons was even false information that was pointed out by luckat, but he never responded to that part of luckat's post) for leaving his vote there. My PM with him has been pretty quiet. After looking over everything he's done, I'd say I'm a little suspicious of him, but he's fairly low on my list of suspicions. So basically Neutral/maybe a Traitor.

 

SilverDragon - The last time he's posted was at the start of Day 3. He hasn't voted on anyone the whole game. I really can't tell with him. My PM with him hasn't really been very informative either, though we have talked a small amount. He's usually a quieter player(as seen in MR11, when he was a villager), so I don't know that his lack of participation is very condemning really. Based on my PM with him and his posts, I have a small gut feeling that he's Loyal, but it's not much. SilverDragon, any suspicions at this point?

 

LUNA - Like Adavantos, I've been somewhat suspicious of her for awhile, and my points against her still stand. I don't have a lot else to say about her, because she hasn't posted a lot since our posts to each other earlier when she was up for the lynch. So, I'd put her as a "possibly a Traitor."

 

So there you have it. I'd like to hear some responses before I place my vote I think.

 

Anamaximder, did you do what I suggested in the last Night Turn? Please answer yes or no.

Edited February 23, 2016 by TheMightyLopen

[Amanuensis]

Adavantos - I already did somewhat of my thoughts on him earlier in the game, and with luckat being found Loyal, my suspicion of him has really only grown. I feel like he hasn't been as active as he usually is when he's village, and he hasn't participated in the lynch hardly at all. He hasn't been particularly active in my PM with him either. Not sure if he's just busier than usual, but he is definitely one of my top suspicions. In response to your question, no Ada, I meant Hacker, not Data Gatherer.

 

I don't really understand why luckat being Loyal has any impact on my alignment, especially since once I understood her better my suspicion of her was nullified. There's a pretty good reason I dropped any pursuance of her I had (which was basically non-existent since I never voted for her, only provided my perspective and asked questions). My inactivity does have to do with me being busier than usual. I am going to another country for a while very soon, which requires me to get ahead on all my collaterial work and make a lot of preparations such as submitting for a visa through their embassy and medical screenings. Plus with me running the upcoming QF (which will begin in a little more than 14 hours) I've had to do a bit of pregame preparation, which has taken some priority for me. Anyway, when it comes to games with alignment scanning roles I tend to be slightly more cautious about mislynching players. I would have suggested a scan vote like I did in LG15b but with the False Trails role I wouldn't want to let the Traitors know if our Hacker were about to scan one of theirs who would have been unprotected otherwise. Finally, I don't really understand the logic of the Traitors having a Hacker. I can see Data Gatherer since the last few kills by them have been on players with roles, but Hacker makes little to no sense to me. In LG15b the Kandra could scan alignment and role. In this game Hacker only does alignment. Traitors already have everyone's alignment, so what would be the point? If I had to guess role distribution, it would be Data Gatherer, False Trails and Well-Connected, based on what we have seen so far.

[STINK]

I meant Data Gatherer....

Lopen

[TheMightyLopen]

I don't really understand why luckat being Loyal has any impact on my alignment, especially since once I understood her better my suspicion of her was nullified. There's a pretty good reason I dropped any pursuance of her I had (which was basically non-existent since I never voted for her, only provided my perspective and asked questions). My inactivity does have to do with me being busier than usual. I am going to another country for a while very soon, which requires me to get ahead on all my collaterial work and make a lot of preparations such as submitting for a visa through their embassy and medical screenings. Plus with me running the upcoming QF (which will begin in a little more than 14 hours) I've had to do a bit of pregame preparation, which has taken some priority for me. Anyway, when it comes to games with alignment scanning roles I tend to be slightly more cautious about mislynching players. I would have suggested a scan vote like I did in LG15b but with the False Trails role I wouldn't want to let the Traitors know if our Hacker were about to scan one of theirs who would have been unprotected otherwise. Finally, I don't really understand the logic of the Traitors having a Hacker. I can see Data Gatherer since the last few kills by them have been on players with roles, but Hacker makes little to no sense to me. In LG15b the Kandra could scan alignment and role. In this game Hacker only does alignment. Traitors already have everyone's alignment, so what would be the point? If I had to guess role distribution, it would be Data Gatherer, False Trails and Well-Connected, based on what we have seen so far.

 

Luckat being Loyal makes me slightly more suspicious of you because of your suspicion against her early on, which, even though you retracted it later, could be seen as you trying to undermine her voice in the thread by casting suspicion on her. Also, there's the fact that a lot of the experienced players have died, but you haven't.

 

I understand that you might be busy, but I just don't think you've showed the enthusiasm that you usually have when you're trying to catch eliminators.

 

You don't understand the logic behind it? There's always ways to use any role, for either side. Give the Traitors a Hacker and the Loyals a Data Gatherer, and then if the Traitor Hacker is scanned, the Data Gatherer will be like "well, it's a pointless role for the Traitors to have." It just adds the chance for an eliminator to do mind games. Even if the Traitor wasn't ever scanned, if they claimed Hacker, they would have to be wary of the possibility of Loyal Data Gatherers, and so, actually giving them a Hacker allows less risk in them claiming it.

 

The last few kills have been on players with roles? That's hardly true. You yourself said that you doubted the Traitors scanned Mailliw(if they had a Data Gatherer), and Elbereth was Well-Connected(not a role they need to take out early at all). Luckat might have been the work of a Traitor Data Gatherer scan, and if they DO have False Trails(which isn't something we should assume, but it would make sense I think), then I think knocking out PM's is what they'd really like to do, because information roles for the village wouldn't be quite as useful as usual(but would still be very dangerous if they're False Trails role died).

[RippleGylf]

Lopen, I'm sorry. My inactivity is not very helpful, but it's not intended to be detrimental. This past day I've been busy binge reading Calamity. 

[Amanuensis]

Luckat being Loyal makes me slightly more suspicious of you because of your suspicion against her early on, which, even though you retracted it later, could be seen as you trying to undermine her voice in the thread by casting suspicion on her. Also, there's the fact that a lot of the experienced players have died, but you haven't.

 

Can't really argue this since I had a gut reaction to something she did that, in my opinion, "could be seen" as her trying to highlight valuable targets. As for the bit about "experienced players" being killed, technically everyone in this game is an "experienced player." This is no one's first rodeo. We've all participated in these games enough now, and personally I'm not a fan of the mindset that players should be suspicious for simply living.

 

I understand that you might be busy, but I just don't think you've showed the enthusiasm that you usually have when you're trying to catch eliminators.

 

If I was able to be around more often I would have tried to help instigate discussion. That being said, I also don't like this reasoning for finding me suspicious because essentially no one has been enthusiastic about catching eliminators so far. I do think that people are probably depending too much on information gathering roles, or are just generally busy right now for their own disparate reasons. It's hard to defend myself from something like this when I've already given a genuine explanation.

 

You don't understand the logic behind it? There's always ways to use any role, for either side. Give the Traitors a Hacker and the Loyals a Data Gatherer, and then if the Traitor Hacker is scanned, the Data Gatherer will be like "well, it's a pointless role for the Traitors to have." It just adds the chance for an eliminator to do mind games. Even if the Traitor wasn't ever scanned, if they claimed Hacker, they would have to be wary of the possibility of Loyal Data Gatherers, and so, actually giving them a Hacker allows less risk in them claiming it.

 

So then you're implying that there's only one Hacker and that they're a Traitor. I do not know their identity, but apparently someone other than Stink's Hacker has claimed the role, and Stink's already proved themselves by getting a Traitor by the second cycle. I highly doubt a Traitor would out one of their teammates that early when they knew they would be in no danger of an attack (thus they would not be afraid of the information dying with them). And besides, that logic is flawed because if the Traitors did have a Hacker (while the village did not) they would have no idea that the Loyalists were without, and thus said Hacker would be immediately subject to a scan by both a Data Gatherer and a Hacker if they ever came out, which would trap them. In that scenario I think they would most likely feign having no role to not draw any extra attention to themselves. I would assume that a player with False Trails would either protect the alignment of the most likely player on their team to be scanned or the one with the most important role in order to preserve numbers / get the most out of their powers. Considering all of that, I do not see how it makes sense for the Traitors to have been given a genuine Hacker. That being said, I could see someone lying about it, but even that would have severe repercussions and would end up not being worth it.

 

The last few kills have been on players with roles? That's hardly true. You yourself said that you doubted the Traitors scanned Mailliw(if they had a Data Gatherer), and Elbereth was Well-Connected(not a role they need to take out early at all). Luckat might have been the work of a Traitor Data Gatherer scan, and if they DO have False Trails(which isn't something we should assume, but it would make sense I think), then I think knocking out PM's is what they'd really like to do, because information roles for the village wouldn't be quite as useful as usual(but would still be very dangerous if they're False Trails role died).

 

Besides the first two kills (Burnt and Orlok) all Traitor kills have been on players with roles. Though I do think it's odd they would have used their one time extra kill on a Medical Specialist, it's possible that someone on their team had managed to gain Mail's trust enough to draw his protection away, and knowing that, went in for the kill (if they scanned him N1 and found out his role then sent him a PM N2 claiming, they might have been able to convince him). As for why they might kill Elbereth it's possible that that's because she was the player they scanned last (only living player they knew had a role) and decided that was worth removing (though in her case I think it was because she started PMing inactives to try and get them involved again, and seeing that, the Traitors decided to discourage it by killing her).

Edited February 23, 2016 by Adavantos