Plaeggs he/him Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 As I always understood Feruchemy, the more powerful of feruchemist you were, the greater percentage of a particular aspect you could store at once (as in, you cannot make yourself completely weightless with Skimming). If that is the case, then how can you store 100% of your identity to fill a metalmind? Could Identity be a "non-renewable" aspect, like Memories? How would this work? Also discuss Identity and Investiture if you want, or I'm missing something with my question that I will realize later and facepalm.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) I consider Investiture, Identity, Energy, Memories, maybe Warmth, Connection, and Fortune to be depletable attributes. I see no reason for Identity to not be depletable. Very minor WoR spoilers I wonder what would happen if someone were to try to Soulcast you when your Identity is at zero. *I am a...whatever you want me to be.* Edited December 23, 2015 by Stormgate
Moogle Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 Nothing says that Trueself Ferrings can store 100% of their identity except for a second-hand account from a kandra. But I'm in the camp of "Identity is a renewable resource".
natc Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 Well the primary reason you can't store 100% of most other things is that it can potentially kill you or cause lasting damage. This matter still requires further experimentation of course. 1
Voidus Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 As I always understood Feruchemy, the more powerful of feruchemist you were, the greater percentage of a particular aspect you could store at once (as in, you cannot make yourself completely weightless with Skimming). If that is the case, then how can you store 100% of your identity to fill a metalmind? Could Identity be a "non-renewable" aspect, like Memories? How would this work? Also discuss Identity and Investiture if you want, or I'm missing something with my question that I will realize later and facepalm. It has been mentioned in-book I think and it's a pretty popular belief but an incorrect one IMO, you definitely can store up to 100% of some things at least, weight for example. So your feruchemy would need to degrade quite a lot before it made much of a difference since most traits tend to be stored at around 20%. I just think there's something different that feruchemy power levels do such as being able to more efficiently compound an attribute.
DreamEternal Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 It has been mentioned in-book I think and it's a pretty popular belief but an incorrect one IMO, you definitely can store up to 100% of some things at least, weight for example.Have we seem anyone storing all their weight? It is a popular assumption, but I think we only have seem people store most of their weight, maybe up to 80%.Plus, storing all your mass breaks physics in a level even greater than changing your mass without changing your size or density.
Noblehunter Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 If one is asleep, how much of their wakefulness are they storing?
King's Twit he/him Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) If one is asleep, how much of their wakefulness are they storing?I think there's a WoB that, to store wakefulness while sleeping, it makes you sleep longer than you would have normally. So, for instance, if you would've slept for 8 hours, while storing wakefulness you'd sleep for 12.I don't know what the percentages would be there. Maybe 50% in my example? Since it increasing the length of your sleep by 50%. Edited December 23, 2015 by King's Twit
11thorderknight Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 actually, I'm pretty sure Sazed stored almost 100% of his weight when he floated down the canyon in Well of Ascension.....
DreamEternal Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 actually, I'm pretty sure Sazed stored almost 100% of his weight when he floated down the canyon in Well of Ascension..... He didn't "float" like a baloon, he fell very slowly. 90% should be more than enough to store.
Voidus Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Have we seem anyone storing all their weight? It is a popular assumption, but I think we only have seem people store most of their weight, maybe up to 80%. Plus, storing all your mass breaks physics in a level even greater than changing your mass without changing your size or density. We've seen people float like feathers, that'd be impossible unless you were storing very near to 100%, I suppose they could be storing 99.9% but for the purposes of this discussion that's practically no different. I don't see how it breaks it any more than storing 99% would. We have mass-less particles IRL.
11thorderknight Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 One interesting clue is in the Ars Arcanum - aluminum ferrrings are called "Trueself" ferrings. This implies that there is value to increasing one's Identity. There may be value in removing it as well, which is what VenDell seems interested in...but if that were the only practical use of aluminum feruchemy, you would expect the name for them to be something that alludes to that. Instead, it alludes to increasing ones' Identity. Perhaps it could protect one against the control that comes through hemalurgy, or emotional allomancy? 1
Voidus Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 One interesting clue is in the Ars Arcanum - aluminum ferrrings are called "Trueself" ferrings. This implies that there is value to increasing one's Identity. There may be value in removing it as well, which is what VenDell seems interested in...but if that were the only practical use of aluminum feruchemy, you would expect the name for them to be something that alludes to that. Instead, it alludes to increasing ones' Identity. Perhaps it could protect one against the control that comes through hemalurgy, or emotional allomancy? I wouldn't assume much from the AA, it's frequently flawed about mechanics since it's an in world creation and at the time Identity is very little understood. I think it's just a name based off of very minimal understanding about the power. They have said that it stores 'Identity' and so the term simply has some links to that very basic deduction.
WeiryWriter he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 Also keep in mind that the Ars Arcanum Author, presumably, did not come up with the name, she is just recording the name that the Scadrians came up with.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 On the other hand, would Sanderson make two names for something, one for Scadrians and one for himself?
StarFox Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I don't think novels or WOB mentioned or implied that store percentage is related to feruchemists' power. If someone could store 100% of his weight, he should be able to float up like a balloon via aerostatic buoyancy (only if he takes off all his clothing). Steris: Completely inappropriate and at the same time breathtaking! Anyway, I believe Identify is the key to use some other's metalmind (but the detail is not quite clear: "Trueself could use anyone else's metalmind" or "Trueself could create metalmind which could be accessed by anyone else". I tend to the later).
Voidus Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I don't think novels or WOB mentioned or implied that store percentage is related to feruchemists' power. If someone could store 100% of his weight, he should be able to float up like a balloon via aerostatic buoyancy (only if he takes off all his clothing). Anyway, I believe Identify is the key to use some other's metalmind (but the detail is not quite clear: "Trueself could use anyone else's metalmind" or "Trueself could create metalmind which could be accessed by anyone else". I tend to the later). Well at the least they'd need an Ironmind so I don't think it's too likely. Though for a while I have liked the idea of the military employing them as portable, long term watchtowers. Just use an iron wire that they can store in and keep them tethered to the ground and you have a human kite.
The Invested Beard Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Yeah storing 100% of your weight would make you literally weightless and you would not be bound by gravity at all. I would think this would have been utilized waaaaay more often if it were possible as it would be a very valuable resource to have at your disposal. Neither Sazed nor Wax have become truly weightless at any point and it would have benefited them both at multiple points throughout their stories.
The Sovereign Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Yeah storing 100% of your weight would make you literally weightless and you would not be bound by gravity at all. I would think this would have been utilized waaaaay more often if it were possible as it would be a very valuable resource to have at your disposal. Neither Sazed nor Wax have become truly weightless at any point and it would have benefited them both at multiple points throughout their stories. Keep in mind that storing weight does not include the weight of your clothing/metal minds. Even if you stored 100% of your weight you would not be weightless. Wax directly addresses this in AoL while Steel-pushing through Elendel.
The Invested Beard Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Keep in mind that storing weight does not include the weight of your clothing/metal minds. Even if you stored 100% of your weight you would not be weightless. Wax directly addresses this in AoL while Steel-pushing through Elendel. This is a good point. So if you were to store 100% of your identity, how much of your "self" would that include? Memories? Instincts? Allomantic power? If you did store all of your identity and lost your metalminds, would you be stuck as a blank slate vegetable?
hoidhunter he/him Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 I think there's a WoB that, to store wakefulness while sleeping, it makes you sleep longer than you would have normally. So, for instance, if you would've slept for 8 hours, while storing wakefulness you'd sleep for 12. I don't know what the percentages would be there. Maybe 50% in my example? Since it increasing the length of your sleep by 50%. How do you decide how much sleep you're storing? You're asleep. With every other metal you're able to consciously influence the storing process. Is it like an alarm clock? How important is time sleeping vs quality of sleep? Does intent matter? (I know it does) I have so many questions...but...way off topic. sorry.
King's Twit he/him Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 How do you decide how much sleep you're storing? You're asleep. With every other metal you're able to consciously influence the storing process. Is it like an alarm clock? How important is time sleeping vs quality of sleep? Does intent matter? (I know it does) I have so many questions...but...way off topic. sorry. Yeah, that stuff has always confused me too. Maybe it's something you consciously intend to do just before you go to sleep, like "okay, I'm gonna store half my wakefulness, so I'll sleep for an extra X hours"
Stormgate he/him Posted January 9, 2016 Posted January 9, 2016 I actually have an idea for use of this as an alarm clock. Not tired? Simply store wakefulness and tell someone to remove the metalmind when it's time to get up. I picture the metalmind being a bracelet in this case.
natc Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 I always wanted the power myself. My parents always seemed to be able to fall asleep on the spot near instantly, when I was growing up, one even wakes up at will. But it always takes me a good while to be out cold. And never wake up on time.
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