Long Game 15: ...The Shards Themselves...

[little wilson she/her]

So you say that you trust Kipper because of what was gut then turned into evidence, so couldn't the same apply to the Forger? You don't know what went on in our PM as 'it's not the kind of thing I'm going to put here'.

 

You're all accusing me for something? But that something isn't exactly clear.

 

I never fully roleclaimed to Kipper despite my trust in him. By saying that I mean that I never told Kipper "I am this role". I hinted at my role when we were over 30 hours into the turn. That hint was vague and could've gone a couple different ways. With about 8 hours or so left of the turn, I finally narrowed down on which of those ways I meant, so he knows my role now, but it took over 40 hours for me to feel comfortable revealing that to him. As it is, he is the only one who knows it. Your Forger told you in less than 24 hours. That's not enough to get a good read on someone, particularly someone who revels in unpredictability like you do. If you're telling the truth about this, I'd wager that your Forger is the eliminator. There's no other reason for someone to try to buddy-up with another person that fast.

[Arraenae]

Rae had seen some bad cases of bathroom graffiti, but this was a first.

 

Trash, gunk, and other nasties were somehow stuck to the mirror in a somewhat artistic manner. It looked like someone had taken everything in the trash and glued it to the mirror, regardless of what it was. It was impressive, in a disgusting way.

 

It took Rae a few moments to realize that it actually formed a word... no, two words, no, a whole sentence:

 

^WiL₅⁰_N Di_Di^T!

 

What the sparks...? Was it some sort of prank? Revenge on Wilson for eating the last cookie, or spilling coffee on the wrong person, or something even more ridiculous?

 

Or was it about Miral's death?

 

Wait. How would somebody know if Wilson killed Miral? As far as Rae knew, Wilson and Miral hadn't interacted much with each other. Miral had been an engineer of some sort. Wilson did... something or other. Why would Wilson kill Miral?

 

Well, Wilson had called for Shallan's death yesterday. But there was a big jump between being a traitor and being overly enthusiastic to find a traitor, which Rae knew very much.

 

Rae felt her head throb pressed her hands to her forehead. All of this was giving her a headache.

 

 

I'm not going to be available tomorrow for the rest of this cycle. Because of that, I'm probably not going to be voting because I might miss something that would make me want to change my vote. I don't really have an opinion on this, other than the person who created the note sounds very sure, and that makes me suspicious.

[STINK he/him]

I thought he was pretty convincing, and I don't 'revel' in unpredictability, it's more like I don't want everyone to be able to read me, which everyone is saying is evil but I've done that in all my games.

[Creccio he/him]

I thought he was pretty convincing, and I don't 'revel' in unpredictability, it's more like I don't want everyone to be able to read me, which everyone is saying is evil but I've done that in all my games.

 

He? I thought you said she

 

Forgers can change gender. Confirmed

[STINK he/him]

I did. Can't give away their identity, remember? 

[Creccio he/him]

I am just kidding there...

 

I am just confused as to why you believe that person so fully on a game where Forgers could be on both sides and that person could just be using you as a proxy to gather information

[STINK he/him]

What information? That these people claim no-role like everyone else?

[Creccio he/him]

Well, if anyone DID claim something then you could just transfer that information.

 

Again, the question is why the complete trust... Are you 100% sure that the person we talkin about is loyal? That person could just be tricking you... I am just saying you should be more paranoid of things like that, or it would cost you and the loyal tons of blood.

Edited November 8, 2015 by Creccio

[STINK he/him]

I don't give away other peoples role unless it is important or the other person wants me to do so. If someone claimed an important role (which someone may have done) then I just ignored them, and the Forger won't be told about them. 

 

I asked people if they would like to be Forged. If they said yes, I would ask if they had a role (sometimes questions were swapped) so that those who shouldn't be forged wouldn't be. All the Forger knows is 2 people who claimed to have no role, which is what everyone should've been claiming anyway.

 

EDIT: Also, we can see those viewing the thread, so why not say something?

Edited November 8, 2015 by IrulelikeSTINK

[Guest]

Long post inside...

 

List of Mailliw's Death Throes, 2ndth Edition

1. (Wilson) 9:01PM GMT, November 6th, Creccio says he got a Hemalurgist claim. Thinks the claimant is sketchy because he threatened to kill Creccio to troll him.

2. (Kasimir) 9:06PM GMT, November 6th, Creccio claimed to have access to a "sketchy hemalurgist [sic] claim."

3. (Wilson) 11:00PM GMT, November 6th, Wilson tells Kipper about Creccio's claim.

4. (Wilson) 11:36PM GMT, November 6th, Wilson asks Maill if he is a Hemalurgist.
5. (Kasimir) 6:20PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson claimed that a Hemalurgist approached her and claimed to her.
6. (Kasimir) 6:26PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson noted that she "had reason to believe" that said Hemalurgist had claimed to "multiple people".

7. (Wilson) 10:01AM GMT, November 7th, Maill, responding to Wilson's query, says that he is a Hemalurgist.

8. (Wilson) 4:20PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson acknowledges Maill's claim and tells him that she will let the forger [who she presumed to be STINK] know.

9. (Wilson) 6:14PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson tells Stink about Maill wanting to be forged.

10. (Wilson) 7:13PM GMT, November 7th Wilson tells Kipper what happened [in her PM with Stink] about Maill.
11. (Kipper) 7:13PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson said to Kipper almost verbatim what is in her above post.
12. (Kipper) 7:20PM GMT, November 7th, Kipper told Adavantos that he had just discovered a Hemalurgist.

13. 8:13PM GMT, November 7th, Kas wonders if Maill roleclaimed, and if so, who he roleclaimed to.

14. 8:16PM GMT, November 7th, Kipper answers Kas, saying that Maill did roleclaim, and puts a vote on IrulelikeSTINK, citing #11.

15. 8:29PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson answers STINK's post, citing #10.

16. 8:30PM GMT, November 7th, Kas says we need a list of people who knew Mailliw's claim.

17. 8:33PM GMT, November 7th, STINK says that if Wilson suspects him, there isn't much to do, seemingly implying that everyone will follow Wilson's vote, referencing the bandwagon on Day One.

18. 8:56PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson notes that if Mailliw had been any other role, we wouldn't be having the current discussion, implying that it was a fearkill.

19. 8:59PM GMT, November 7th, Kas posts several items. Suggests that STINK is suspicious for not defending himself. Questions why Wilson outed STINK as a Forger. Again requests that people who knew of Mailliw's role come forward. Says that he doesn't think it likely that Mailliw got fearkilled; was likely killed because someone knew his role.

20. 9:09PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson answers Kas's post from #19 by saying that her presumption that STINK is a forger is important to the discussion, and would have come out eventually anyway.

21. 9:12PM GMT, November 7th, STINK says that he is not a Forger, and asks why he would reveal himself this early.

 

Bullet points with the contributor in parentheses are alleged and unverifiable except by both people in the PM conversation.

 

This is accurate up to here, and yes, I know that there are a few more. I've already read them, but I have to go eat dinner now. More analysis/completion of list to follow after munchies.

 

 

 

A word on PM safety:

Agree agree agree. Seriously guys (and girls, don't feel excluded from my wrath ) . I know 10-12 roles, and I didn't even have to ask for most of them. This is a problem. The root issue here, imo, is not that you are claiming roles. That happens, and is expected. I think Paranoid!Kas is being maybe a bit too paranoid about this. The problem is telling that information to other people. If someone claims a role to you, you should be very careful about who you then tell. The psychological effect of receiving information is like receiving a +1000 power upgrade (Alvron and I were discussing this earlier). Getting information, essentially, makes one feel powerful, and when one is powerful, one wants to express that power, often in sneaky ways.

 

I've also noticed that a lot of players here seem to really love the idea of manipulation. <-- A vision appeared in your head when you read that word. What was it? Obviously, the most common interpretation is "tricking someone into doing something that results in outcome against their goals." Yet the most common action that people take is playing verbal word games with people, dancing around subjects, and generally giving a Faux!Sneaky vibe. THIS IS NOT MANIPULATION!!! The correct word would be "trolling." And guess what, when you troll me like that, and try to play mind games with me, the only outcome is that I receive more information than you wanted to give me.

 

Speaking for me personally, I have a Sticky Note on my tablet cover that says, "DO NOT GIVE OUT INFORMATION TO VALIDATE YOUR EGO!!! KEEP IT SECRET, KEEP IT SAFE!!!" (or words to that effect; I'm on desktop right now >>) One of the few things that I consider myself good at in this game is analyzing the way people troll (<--never written it like that, but it works >>). And it's startling to see how genuinely bad at it some people are. I got at least 3 roles just by seeing what types of questions certain people were asking, and then confronting them with it. I got at least 4 because people assumed that I didn't know what they were saying in other conversations. Oh, what a tangled web we weave. Please, please, please, don't be arrogant and assume that since you have a lot of information, it's okay to troll other people with that info. Most likely, they will get way more out of that PM than you do.

 

TL;DR I don't care if you roleclaim, but don't conflate arrogance and ego validation with manipulation. I'm sorry that I had to give this warning, because this practice gave me a crap ton of information.

 

 

My case against STINK:

is rather simple, and has two logical conclusions. Firstly, my credentials. I'm not going to tell the thread as a whole my role, but I'm pretty sure a Kandra Scanned me (waiting for confirmation from a special someone on that). Suffice it to say, I claimed a role that I knew was going to get me Scanned by someone, so that should speak, at least in part, for my innocence. Note that, from now on, everything in this post will be from the perspective of a villager >.>

 

I sort-of kind-of trust Wilson (or at least I did, before now.). Obviously, I can't be sure of that unless a Kandra scans her, so there's that. Additionally, I've noticed a very small amount of things she's said that made me think she could be an Eliminator, but not enough to make me really suspect her (and no, I'm not going to tell you, Wilson, because then you'll stop, and that just won't be fun). Just to be completely clear, there is nothing inherent to her role that makes me trust her; it's all pretty much PM-based. But. That doesn't really matter to my case, unless she and Stink are evil.

 

Because I sort-of kind-of trust her, I pay more attention to her reads that she gives me. And from corresponding with her in the past, I know that her reads are often accurate. So when she told me that STINK acted very suspicious after learning that Maill was a Hemalurgist, my first thought was, Hmm, maybe she's right about that. Two side-notes here: First, Stink implied that he was Uninvested to me, and I also heard third-hand information that he was Uninvested. Second, it doesn't really matter to my case whether he is the Forger or not, though that's something I'll address after I read the posts I'm being ninja'd with 10x over right now.

 

Kas had a good point about Mailiw. There were most likely more desirable targets than Mailiw, because to be fair, he hasn't been all that active. Also, he died N1 in the MR, so I doubt the Traitors would have killed him unless they had good reason (speaking of which: You jerks! He died N1 in his last game too! Give a man a fighting chance!). All of that implies to me that he was killed by someone who knew that he was a Hemalurgist.

Suspects: STINK, Wilson, Kipper (hell, I'm not accusing myself; someone else can do that), and Creccio; anyone else wanna add their name?

 

Moving on to the Surgebinder note. My pet theory is that this note was written by an Eliminator. I see no motivation for a town Surgebinder to write a note incriminating someone else, unless they knew for sure that that person was a Traitor. And as we've discussed already, Kandra could not have known anything by the end of N1, hence, the Surgebinder cannot have gotten any information from a willing Kandra. Even so, to quell paranoia, I will go back and recheck everyone who expressed suspicion of Wilson, and seemed likely to put in a message.

 

With that said, let's examine possible Traitor motives for putting in that message.

1. Just for kicks and giggles, knowing it would likely be ignored. Note: If this did happen, gj Traitors; you've royally screwed up my mind.

2. Wilson is a Traitor, and suggested it be put in there, knowing it would likely be ignored.

3. Intentionally put it in there to get Wilson killed, due to some plan, maybe hoping it would be considered a town Surgebinder.

4. A planned combination of #1 and #3. 

 

I don't think that the Traitor would have put the message in there without a definite reason of some kind, so I'm willing to eliminate #1. Here's my theory: The Traitors put that message in, knowing that the death would be of someone who was connected with Mailliw and knew his role. But! How would the Traitors be able to implicate Wilson if they didn't know that she was connected in some way? And how would they know that she was connected? The obvious conclusion is this: Wilson told someone (an Eliminator) about Mailliw's role. That Eliminator decided to kill Mailliw and put a message in the writeup, hoping that somehow a combination of Wilson's role in Shallan's death and Mailliw dying would get Wilson lynched.

Kipper: Was told 40 minutes before the end of cycle. Was consistently PM'ing people (at least 8) in the last hour of the cycle. Possibly had enough time to plan all of this in a doc.

STINK: Was told 100 minutes before the end of the cycle. Not sure of his PM'ing habits, but I'm willing to bet he had enough time to check a doc.

 

But wait, there's more! Doesn't this message seem a bit obvious? Like, really obviously trying to frame Wilson? The Traitors can't have expected that we would believe this message. It would be preposterous in the highest degree to go for Wilson based simply on a message in the writeup. So here's my Paranoid!Theory: Wilson and STINK are both Traitors, and the message was put in the writeup to deliberately take suspicion off of Wilson, who already had too much from the Shallan lynch. See, Wilson would have had PLENTY of time to talk to all of her Traitor buddies and plan this whole shindig. I wouldn't put it past her at all.

 

So I respectfully request that the Kandra Scan Wilson next Night, and tell somebody of their conclusions.

 

What does this theory assume?

1. That the Surgebinder is an Traitor.

2. That the presumed Traitor Surgebinder had a deliberate purpose in putting that message in the writeup, and it wasn't to make a funny joke.

 

TL;DR I think we should lynch STINK and have a Kandra check Wilson.

 

 

Wow. For those of you who are not used to these sorts of long posts from me, it's because this is the first game where I have extensively used my desktop to keep notes, and I can type very fast. Reading this back, it really sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's my baby, and I'm proud of it. <--That simile is going to sound disturbing in light of the fact that I'm about to ask you to shoot holes in my theory.

 

TL;DR Don't let Kipper have a desktop computer.

[STINK he/him]

You think I'd make a plan where everyone suspects me? Alright I see no point with defending myself anymore.

[Guest]

You think I'd make a plan where everyone suspects me? Alright I see no point with defending myself anymore.

This is nothing personal, and I've tried very hard to not give the impression that it is personal. It's just a thing I thought of; feel free to point out why I'm wrong.

[Creccio he/him]

You think I'd make a plan where everyone suspects me? Alright I see no point with defending myself anymore.

 

We cannot assume things. Assuming that X or Y wont do Z because of A is the base of flawed arguments. Now, if your so trusty forger friends comes out, we might work it out, but as you said... we better keep them secret.

 

The others who knew of Mail were:

 

Me

Kipper

Wilson

 

Does anyone have anything against these dudes/dudettes?

 

(Here comes the discussion, yay)

[RippleGylf she/her]

I already said, in this post here, that you didn't fully roleclaim. What you did do was ask me if I had a role, and when I said that everyone has a role, since even No Powers is a role, you asked me if I'd be okay losing my current role. That question strongly indicates that either you are a Forger or you know a Forger. Beyond that, I had multiple PMs with you after that where I made it clear that I assumed you were a Forger and you did not correct me.

 

Now you're claiming that you're not. Okay. So you're in contact with a Forger? But you said later that someone had "finally" told you a role. This indicates that no one had roleclaimed to you previously.

 

So you're not in contact with a Forger? Then why were you phishing for my role?

 

Gylf pondered these words. Obviously, she had misunderstood Wilson. Since it seemed that Wilson was confident concerning John's (Stink) role on the ship, one who didn't listen to every single word would miss the statement. However, being so certain about this matter seemed odd. Concerning the message on the bathroom wall, could it merely be reverse psychology?

----------------------

She decided to leave the room for a bit, and walk along the passageways. Something had been bothering her about the whole situation. The moment that people had been able to whisper without being noticed, secrets were spilled, and information leaked. Fools. She supposed that she couldn't blame them, after all, no one wants a murderer on the loose. Aside from the accomplices, of course.

 

As she walked down the hall, with only her ever-sputtering thoughts for company, she began to sing, under her breath. People typically stared if she sang any louder than a hummingbird.

 

Fear not this night, you will not go astray.

Though shadows fall, still the stars find their way.

 

Awaken from a quiet sleep,

Hear the whispering of the wind.

Awaken as the silence grows

In the solitude of the night.

 

Darkness spreads through all the land

And your weary eyes open silently.

Sunsets have forsaken all

The most far off horizons.

 

Nightmares come when shadows grow.

Eyes close and heartbeats slow.

 

Disclaimer: I did not write this song, it's just a favorite of mine.

Edited November 8, 2015 by RippleGylf

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Kipper, this game is all about conspiracy theories haha. I think that your theory definitely has merit, although it does hinge a lot on the traitors having a surgebinder. Perhaps, before acting on your plan, we could ask all the village surgebinders to post a message during the next night. If we saw a number of messages other than one then we would pretty much know that there is a village surgebinder (unless zero came through). If only one message came through then we wouldn't learn anything new.

 

On a slightly different note, my suspicion of STINK is just because of a vote he placed. He gave an explanation which I don't really like, since it is basically the same reason that I said I voted for him with (but this is kind of another playstyle conflict, I guess). But STINK has been a fairly active player in this game, and I feel like we should consider waiting to lynch him (if that is what we decide). Kipper, your theory has two easy ways to be checked out, and one of them is non-lethal. So my suggestion would be to hold off acting on your idea while we can check it more easily during the night without losing people that have been valuable contributors to the conversation.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Well, I didn't know Mail's role. We hadn't actually discussed much in my PM with him.

 

Out of the four who are known to have known about Mail being a Hemalurgist, I must say, STINK is the most suspicious to me. I'm not sold on his guilt, but I have to agree with Kasimir and Kipper that there was most likely a reason they chose him, rather than it just being a fear-kill. What other reason could there be than that the Eliminators knew his role? Losing a loyal Hemalurgist this early is very hurtful. If we don't forge it on someone at night, then I would bet that the Eliminators would forge it onto one of their own, just so it won't be available for future use. If Mail was the only loyal Hemalurgist, then they will definitely try to forge it for themselves since if a loyal crewmember get's it, it will show that the HI has turned. If a loyal crewmember get's it, and there's another loyal Hemalurgist somewhere, we can know that the HI hasn't turned yet at least.

 

Creccio had no reason to reveal that he knew about Mail's role if his claim that he told no one about Mail is true. If he had told someone else about Mail's role than he would be suspicious if he did not come forward, so he(Creccio) would say that he knew his role before anyone called him out for it. But since I haven't heard anyone contradicting him about that, I'm inclined to believe him and am not suspicious of him for being aware of Mail's role.

 

Kipper and Wilson? Well, I think they may   be a level above me in terms of manipulation and just playing this game in general, so I have a hard time leaning either way with them. They both knew that the other knew Mail's role, so them revealing that they knew doesn't really do anything for me.

 

 I would like to hear Wilsons opinion about Kippers "baby." Having a Kandra scan Wilson seems like a good idea, except for the fact that that may draw the Eliminator kill to her if she's good. Maybe an Elantrian could protect her this upcoming night cycle as well as the Kandra scanning her. If she's going to get confirmed(as close as possible anyways), then I would rather she doesn't die right away.

 

That leaves STINK as the only other known player to know about Mail's role. That doesn't necessarily mean that he's guilty though. Doesn't Mail do role trades with a bunch of people? Granted, STINK's way of hearing of his role is probably more reliable than hearing it from Mail himself, since I doubt Mail was honest with everyone, but it's not very conclusive evidence against STINK. I also agree that we shouldn't just waste the rest of this cycle talking about STINK. I don't think he has any more to say and it would probably be best to focus elsewhere for now. We still have plenty of time left in this cycle.

 

I would like to hear from some more players. It's been a lot of the same players arguing with each other and the majority of players are staying quiet. The more people that voice their opinions the better. I'm going to go through the player list and see who has been suspiciously quiet. I'm not saying we go full Contribution Crusade or anything. Just get some more players involved in discussion.

 

@Elbereth, about Mistborns. I would hope that no Mistborns would just randomly target anyone, and after the first cycle, that's pretty much what they would be doing. There is still a chance that a Mistborn did in fact attempt to attack someone, because if they attacked a Voidbringer, it would not show up in the write-up. Wyrm states that Voidbringers effectively stop an attack from even happening and that they will not know if they are attacked. I read that as not showing up in the write-up. The chance of that happening seems fairly low to me though, so I'm of the opinion that there were probably no attacks made last night. Which is fine by me.

 

Role reveals. I agree with Kipper about this. I know sometimes the power goes to my head.  I do try to be careful with giving out information that's not mine to give, but will take his warning to heart.

 

Kipper, that part about Wilson does kind of seem like a conspiracy theory to me. I'm not sure how everyone else feels about Wilson right now, but her involvement in Shallan's lynch isn't suspicious to me. There was no way for her to know that she was a Kandra, and I agree that the targets up for the lynch at that time were not ideal. I can't say I like how the lynch ended up, but I don't think anyone is really blaming Wilson for it. So, if that's true, why would she draw more attention to herself through a Surgebinder? That seems too convoluted and needless to me. I don't think she would use a tactic like that when really, she doesn't have anything to answer for and could probably dissuade any suspicions against her far more easily by talking. She can be very persuasive. I took that note to be someone just messing with her. That may not be the case, but I don't want to read too much into something if there's really nothing there.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

*blinks* Well I've got some thinking to do.

 

 

 

I will say that I am inclined to believe that the message on the wall was more likely to be a villager, but would also like to echo Kipper's request that Wilson is scanned (assuming she hasn't been scanned already, which is also likely cause it's Wilson, why wouldn't you scan her first, although I don't imagine the Kandra would want to reveal that in thread, cause if Wilson's evil, then that kandra is bound to be killed off, unless some kind soul protects them )

 

I know it's not that useful to pop in and say barely, but I need to gather my thoughts, but I did want to post the current vote tally and quick links, so I guess that's something...

 

(Also Ripple: I actually squee'd when I read your post: I actually sung that song for a singing exam this year )

 

 

 

 

Current Vote Tally:

Detailed:

Explanation of this vote count layout:
Name(vote count): Player who voted {number signifying if it was their first, second, third vote etc.} retracted vote


STINK(3): Kipper{1}, Creccio{1}, Wilson{1}, Araris Valerian{1}
Kaid(1): Kasimir{1}
Wilson(1): RippleGylf{1}
Kipper(1): Paranoid King{1}

Simple:
STINK (3): Kipper, Creccio, Wilson
Kaid (1): Kasimir
Wilson (1): RippleGylf
Kipper (1): Paranoid King

 

Quick Links:

 

Pre-game

Day 1

Night 1

 

Edit: Fixing quicklinks

Edited November 9, 2015 by Burnt Spaghetti

[Elbereth she/her]

@Elbereth, about Mistborns. I would hope that no Mistborns would just randomly target anyone, and after the first cycle, that's pretty much what they would be doing. There is still a chance that a Mistborn did in fact attempt to attack someone, because if they attacked a Voidbringer, it would not show up in the write-up. Wyrm states that Voidbringers effectively stop an attack from even happening and that they will not know if they are attacked. I read that as not showing up in the write-up. The chance of that happening seems fairly low to me though, so I'm of the opinion that there were probably no attacks made last night. Which is fine by me.

Thanks for clearing that up! I just kind of assumed they'd be killing someone every night, I guess. It does make more sense to kill when you have suspicions, though.

EDIT: Ripple, that's quite a nice poem! Did you make it up?

Edited November 8, 2015 by Elbereth (Limelleth)

[Guest]

Amusingly enough, I'm considering revising parts of my theory. Looking at it all again, I now think that the results are either:

1. Stink good; Wilson bad

2. Both bad.

3. Neither bad.

And yes, my theory does depend HEAVILY on the idea of a Traitor Surgebinder. If you were a village Surgebinder, and did that, can you...not? Thx luv u <3

I think this is the first time my paranoia has reared its head...

Edit: Spaghetti, I'm fairly certain that I was Scanned, for one. I don't know if we have three Kandra or not, but this would probably rule out Wilson being Scanned. (I already said this earlier, but I had to respond to your assumption of Wilson being Scanned, because some irrational part of my brain says that good things will happen if I address a missive to "Spaghetti." Just feels good to write that )

Edited November 8, 2015 by Guest

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Edit: Spaghetti, I'm fairly certain that I was Scanned, for one. I don't know if we have three Kandra or not, but this would probably rule out Wilson being Scanned. (I already said this earlier, but I had to respond to your assumption of Wilson being Scanned, because some irrational part of my brain says that good things will happen if I address a missive to "Spaghetti." Just feels good to write that )

Ok, fair enough. 

(Hahaha I'm glad my username entertains you so here's a song to entertain you further: Spaghetti Bolognaise)

[Kasimir he/him]

Elbereth: I think Lopen's already addressed the issue, but I'll just further add that the thing is that it really falls down to the tendencies/preferences/style of the Mistborn? Some players prefer to go wild with taking down their suspicions, especially when they have a kill role. Others prefer to hang tight and wait for absolute certainty. And some...just never use it at all without the thread calling in an airstrike. So I would just shrug and say that the lack of kills so far doesn't really say anything about Mistborn numbers. To be honest, with say, 32 players (31 now that Maili's left us), I would not be surprised if Wyrm* put a couple of kills in, simply because of existing Voidbringers, the Elantrian, and player numbers.
 
*While it is possible for people to think about how they would probably balance the game if they were a GM, I do not recommend trying to guess Wyrm without further information. It is a path to madness, sadness, despair, radical scepticism and solipsism.
 
I should also add that I was told (by Wilson) that she had heard of "multiple Mistborn" claiming. I do not, for obvious reasons, know who they are. (Need-to-know basis!)
 
Kipper: You're right in pointing out I'm being too paranoid, and I admit I have an ulterior motive in asking not to be told these details. For one, I find it more fair: if people give you information, you sort of feel psychologically obliged to be polite and to return what you have rather than be a freeloader. (Perhaps you do not, but I do.) I would worry if what I had been entrusted with was sensitive information! The more I'm like a mushroom [=kept in the dark and fed crap] , the less I can unjudiciously reveal to people I'm in contact with. I leave knowing about sensitive information to the people who are generally less exhausted (if it's not apparent, I've been mostly sleeping in the morning due to other reasons, but my exhaustion carries over...) and therefore less prone to making mistakes which could, based on how much the information mattered, get people killed.
 
Maybe in some other game...
 
Kaid, I'm still wary of you, but I will accept that for now.
 
Araris: Isn't it a bit disingenuous to pass what STINK is doing off as being "valuable contributors to the conversation"? You slip between two claims: between the claim that STINK is an active player, and the claim that STINK is a valuable contributor to the conversation. I'll grant that he is the first, but as I've pointed out from Night 1, he hasn't made much valuable contributions. If anything, he has been extremely reticent. Fine. He claims that he wants to not be read. Well, that's his play style and I'm not going to interfere with that. I've never had to play with him before, so y'all know best. But at the end of the day, if he's not going to be more useful than trying half-heartedly to defend himself, how, by any stretch of the imagination, can he be considered a 'valuable contributor to the conversation'?
 
There's no point in voting for the HI now, for obvious reasons. But I find it interesting that the HI has nothing to say about the death of a Hemalurgist. (Death of a Salesman?)
 
Adavantos, you mentioned you would explain the method to your madness. We're at four pages. Where are you? What do you have to add to the Wilson-Kipper-STINK mess? (I'm sure you do not mind a little of my paranoia asserting itself; after all, as you correctly pointed out, if you were in fact a Traitor, we'd have more or less put a great deal of resources in your hands.)
 
I strongly doubt the Forged Kandra would show themselves, and I would hope they don't, as it would just invite a role-block from the BioChromancer (again, assuming Alv is truthful), wasting one of the two nights in which the Forge holds. If there is an indirect way to ascertain if the target has indeed been Forged, I would prefer that we take such a method that does not go through Wilson or STINK since they are the issue here. I should also add I'm definitely in favour of Forging Maili's role onto someone ASAP; the issue being that we need to know if the HI is still loyal, and more importantly, we presumably want to deny the Traitors access to that role.
 
(Interestingly enough, if we're looking at the Shallan-BB lynch race, then some of our suspects/the people who have taken flack for it have appeared again. That is one reason why I do wonder if the Surgebinder is a Traitor: I wouldn't consider it out of the realm of possibility for them to be loyal, but there's a distinction between messing with the Crew and just being counterproductive. In addition, if Wilson is innocent (this is an assumption I am not entitled to make, but will make for the moment, so mark this as an assumption!), then one might think it is certainly consistent with what has been going on: she gets implicated, presumably, in instigating a lynch train, and then she gets implicated for Maili's death.)
 
...Finally, despite this probably being a very bad idea, I'm obligated to toss my hat in the ring and volunteer as tribute, Forger. While I'm not terribly fond of the idea and probably don't inspire much confidence, more choices are better than fewer. (This choice, I should add, emerges out of the knowledge of my allegiances, rather than say, knowledge of my role. If we generally want to be denying the Traitors access to Forged roles, then Forging a Traitor kind of misses the point, wouldn't you say? )
 

Edited November 9, 2015 by Kasimir

[STINK he/him]

I don't know what I can contribute when whatever I say is either already covered by Wilson or Kipper in this debacle, as all I literally did was express joy at the fact that I got information, instead of just not doing it in my head. 

 

I honestly see no way to defend myself when now I'm in this and that and that has to go there without me and this can't be known to STINK. 

So you might as well lynch me, though it will be pretty ironic

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Well, it's not as in-depth as I wanted it to be, but here's a list of the players that have yet to post this Cycle.

 

1. Alvron: Don't you have anything to say, Alv? 

2. Orlok: Usually an active player I believe.

3. Clanky: Same as Orlok.

4. Phattemer: Called out somewhat by Kasimir, and has yet to respond or say much which I guess is the norm for him?

5. Dowanx: Someone said he doesn't say much unless he's called out. Hey! Dowanx! Over here! 

6. Bridge Boy: Trying to slip under the radar after nearly being lynched maybe?

7. Honey Badger: Has yet to post the entire game I believe.

8. Bort: Lives in the UK, so possible explanation for his absence.

9. DeathClutch: Could you tell us how many Hemalurgists contacted you? If any?

10. Alfa: Called out by Kasimir, but hasn't responded.

11. Elkanah: Newer player, don't know much about them.

12. Zed: Has not posted yet either.

13. polkinghorn: I don't think they've even been online in a couple days

 

That's a lot of players that haven't contributed to the thread yet. Almost half of the remaining players. I believe most of the players (excluding polking) have been online since the new thread was put up. There is still a lot of time left in the cycle, so it would be nice if we could have some more opinions on the current events. Any suspicions you have would be great as well. This list does not account for the players that have posted in this thread, but haven't really contributed anything. I'm not that detailed in my lists.

 

I would like to nominate myself as a potential candidate for Forging as well.

[Bort he/him]

Lopen, I'm sorry to say I'll not be coming to you for lottery numbers again. You managed to get one, plus the bonus ball. Not bad, but we needed at least 3 to win.

 

I'm unsure on Stink being a traitor,but after the D1 vote, and a PM conversation, I'm currently wondering about Creccia and Bridge Boy.

 

Towards the end of D1, the votes are fairly well stacked towards lynching Bridge Boy. Then along comes Shallan. When Wilson, Kipper, then myself vote against her, it is a good opportunity to get votes away from Bridge Boy and onto someone else, assuming BB is an eliminator.

 

Creccia comes into the thread, places a vote on Shallan, arguing for a tie between BB and Shallan. Shallan collects another few votes, so Creccia removes hers, but does not go back to Bridge Boy to maintain the tie she wanted until prompted to by Ada.

 

Then, in the closing moments of the cycle, she goes and removes that vote so she isn't voting for anyone. Why?

 

Near the start of the night cycle, Ada asked why her voted had been removed, and she replied she had reasons and would only share them in a PM. Ada, did she share those reasons with you? She started a PM with me in which I asked what her reasons were. She replied that she had them, wasn't going to share, and all would become clear in time.

 

Then she asked for an analysis of her posts, what in them made me suspicious off her? It may just have been how it was worded, but it sounded like she was looking for things she'd have to work on to remain undetected.

 

So, until I hear something that suggests otherwise, my vote for this cycle is on Creccia.

[Creccio he/him]

Lopen, I'm sorry to say I'll not be coming to you for lottery numbers again. You managed to get one, plus the bonus ball. Not bad, but we needed at least 3 to win.

 

I'm unsure on Stink being a traitor,but after the D1 vote, and a PM conversation, I'm currently wondering about Creccia and Bridge Boy.

 

Towards the end of D1, the votes are fairly well stacked towards lynching Bridge Boy. Then along comes Shallan. When Wilson, Kipper, then myself vote against her, it is a good opportunity to get votes away from Bridge Boy and onto someone else, assuming BB is an eliminator.

 

Creccia comes into the thread, places a vote on Shallan, arguing for a tie between BB and Shallan. Shallan collects another few votes, so Creccia removes hers, but does not go back to Bridge Boy to maintain the tie she wanted until prompted to by Ada.

 

Then, in the closing moments of the cycle, she goes and removes that vote so she isn't voting for anyone. Why?

 

Near the start of the night cycle, Ada asked why her voted had been removed, and she replied she had reasons and would only share them in a PM. Ada, did she share those reasons with you? She started a PM with me in which I asked what her reasons were. She replied that she had them, wasn't going to share, and all would become clear in time.

 

Then she asked for an analysis of her posts, what in them made me suspicious off her? It may just have been how it was worded, but it sounded like she was looking for things she'd have to work on to remain undetected.

 

So, until I hear something that suggests otherwise, my vote for this cycle is on Creccia.

 

Fun times, I wonder who this Creccia person is, I am plenty sure my name is spelled with an o at the end.

 

Anyway, some of the players here do know of why i did such things, and some do trust me, it seems you don't.

 

Now, i want to know before i say what I think, the reason why YOU think i did this... this will good food for thought