Long Game 15: ...The Shards Themselves...

[Amanuensis he/him]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by he acted very suspicious?

 

 

EDIT: Also, unless I missed something, that write-up doesn't clarify if it was a traitor or a Mistborn who attacked him. Is this intentional, Wyrm?

Edited November 7, 2015 by Adavantos

[STINK he/him]

Is this info coming from Wilson? Who took Mailliws role then seemingly told both me and you, and because I said that's great because someone has actually claimed, made her disturbed. She then elaborated later on that she found me hard to read, which I guess is a problem for the town, eh?

[little wilson she/her]

Since I'm the one who told Kipper that, I'll answer that.

 

Maill asked me if I had contact with a Forger. He wanted to be Forged into a role, since his role is more useful if he's forged as something else every once in a while. Stink had just recently indicated to me that he was a Forger (though he never fully roleclaimed that). I told Maill that I was, but because I wasn't sure what alignment he was, I asked if he was a Hemalurgist--since that made the most sense as a role that was more useful forged as something else every once in a while. So he can check if the HI has been subverted. He said yes. I told Stink what Maill had told me, but since it was about an hour until the rollover, I was giving him Maill's name as a suggestion for a future stamp rather than right then. Stink asked if Maill was a Hemalurgist and I said that that was what Maill had claimed, yes. And after that, he got very joyous, saying that no one else had claimed to him. When I mentioned that his joy was concerning, he said he'd tone it down, and that was even more disconcerting. And that's about the point I went to Kipper to tell him what had just happened.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

EDIT: Also, unless I missed something, that write-up doesn't clarify if it was a traitor or a Mistborn who attacked him. Is this intentional, Wyrm?

 

It's a traitor kill. If it was a Mistborn who made the kill, metal will be mentioned in some way.

[Kasimir he/him]

Kasimir, yes he did roleclaim. Not to me, I got the info third-hand, 20 minutes ago. And I'm going to put a vote on IrulelikeSTINK as the person who reportedly acted very suspicious after hearing his role.

Edit: It was actually 60 minutes ago, roughly, from the time of this edit. Was thinking like it was a different time.

I would like to at least establish a list of players who knew of Maili's claim and where they heard it from. I think it's clear that this claim seems to have spread everywhere; I'd heard of a Hemalurgist who apparently decided to roleclaim, and I have absolutely no idea if it was Maili. Parsimony dictates I believe that Hemalurgist was Maili; the precautionary principle dictates I assume we have a second Hemalurgist running around whose identity is known.

 

If possible, we want to trace where the information went, and where it flowed; we want to map the informational nodes and then start from there.

I will start the ball rolling (though it looks I might be ninjaed by now) :

-Creccio claimed at 5:04AM my time (=GMT + 8) on the 7th October to have access to a "sketchy hemalurgist [sic] claim."

 

-Wilson claimed at 2:20AM my time (=GMT + 8) on the 8th October that a Hemalurgist approached her and claimed to her; at 2:26AM, she noted that she "had reason to believe" that said Hemalurgist had claimed to "multiple people".

 

-Kipper claims at 4:16AM my time (=GMT +8) on the 8th October that someone told him that Maili was a Hemalurgist (actual term used: "third-hand, about 60 minutes ago.") Wilson corroborates that one-directionally by identifying herself as the person who told Kipper about it.

 

-STINK refuses to comment; Wilson claims at 4:29AM my time (=GMT +8) on the 8th October that she informed STINK of Maili's role.

Edited November 7, 2015 by Kasimir

[Kaid he/him]

Adavantos, you said there was a method to your madness that would be revealed, what might that be? Out of curiosity.

[STINK he/him]

If Wilson is suspicious of me, there isn't much to do  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[little wilson she/her]

All times in MST (GMT -0700)

 

11/6 - 2:01 PM: Creccio says he got a Hemalurgist claim. Thinks the claimant is sketchy because he threatened to kill Creccio to troll him.

11/6 - 4:00 PM: I tell Kipper about Creccio's claim.

11/6 - 4:36 PM: I ask Maill if he is a Hemalurgist.

11/7 - 3:01 AM: Maill says he is.

11/7 - 9:20 AM: I acknowledge Maill's claim and tell him I'll let the forger know.

11/7 - 11:14 AM: I tell Stink about Maill wanting to be forged.

11/7 - 12:13 PM: I tell Kipper what happened in my PM with Stink about Maill.

 

My reasons to believe Maill had claimed to multiple people were because I knew he'd been in contact with many others and was sharing information. I at least suspected that his role had gotten out, since I knew Creccio was spreading it (if not the identity of the claimant himself).

 

 

I would like to note that had Maill been a Surgebinder or had no powers, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now, because we wouldn't be surprised about his death. This is Maill. He has a habit of being targeted early. There's a chance that those involved in his role getting out are innocent and that the Traitors simply got absurdly good luck. There's also the chance that there's a traitor who knew who he was.

[Kasimir he/him]

First!

 

Edit: In all seriousness, how was everyones night?

Seriously, Kaid? This is your first reaction to the death of a Hemalurgist? It seems to me that you don't really seem to be bothered by it at all.

If STINK is not going to bother defending himself or answering any questions previously raised about him, I am sorely tempted to slap a vote on him and to leave it there, the consequences be hanged. (At the very least, if he is really a Forger, it might be good to get a Kandra on him--but once again, that misses a more pressing problem--whether he's a Forger on our team.)

I have questions for Wilson as well. Why announce to the thread that STINK's a Forger, if you believed him to be one? Furthermore, why, knowing how vital the Hemalurgist is, did you then tell STINK instead of simply leading off his guess or simply deflecting it?

 

Once again, I would like to request that people who knew of Maili's role come forward and to explain how you heard of it. Granted, if there is in fact a Traitor leak, we mightn't be able to draw in a full network map, but every little bit helps; knowing who else heard it or who heard it from whom can still give us somewhere to begin. While Maili's death could be a fearkill, I strongly believe it to be a kill based on unwisely leaked information: the knowledge that he was a Hemalurgist.

 

Finally, I would like to once more prevail upon everyone to practise PM safety. As I believe Cow will have seen by now, this is and has clearly not been convention, and we may have lost someone as a direct result of carelessness.

 

Edit to deal with Wilson's point: Yes. There was a chance it was due to luck. But in a game where you and Alv are also playing? In a game where Adavantos was clearly gathering information and making plans? I'm not convinced that Maili would be the intuitive target for fear or threat kills. And even if he were, the fact that you all were also playing at least drops it to a 1/4 chance. (Anyway, if it was a fear kill, we should probably be taking a close look at the people from MR9...)

 

I want to clarify that we shouldn't just discuss Maili's death. Which again, goes without saying, but sometimes, we can still get overexcited and narrow down. We still have yesterday's last-minute lynch. Let's keep talking, people. That's a big deal.

Edited November 8, 2015 by Kasimir

[STINK he/him]

Why are you talking about Cow? Did I miss something?

[Guest]

1. (Kasimir) 9:06PM GMT, November 6th, Creccio claimed to have access to a "sketchy hemalurgist [sic] claim."

2. (Kasimir) 6:20PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson claimed that a Hemalurgist approached her and claimed to her.

3. (Kasimir) 6:26PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson noted that she "had reason to believe" that said Hemalurgist had claimed to "multiple people".

4. (Kipper) 7:13PM GMT, November 7th, Wilson said to Kipper almost verbatim what is in her above post.

5. (Kipper) 7:20PM GMT, November 7th, Kipper told Adavantos that he had just discovered a Hemalurgist.

Changed all dates and times to GMT, but unfortunately I was ninja'd while writing this, with what I bet were more times. I'll do my best to fix it up better when I switch to desktop. Also, Kasimir, we are in November now.

[Kasimir he/him]

Why are you talking about Cow? Did I miss something?

...Because I'm hungry and I would like to eat a steak...? Seriously, dude. Can a guy not be hungry on this thread anymore without being called out for it?

On Day Shift 1, Cow decided that my reminding people to follow PM safety was rather "needless", and well...I'll let y'all read the rest for yourselves.

I am pointing out, rather ironically, that clearly, this was not the case. Considering that I heard of a bunch of Mistborn outing themselves as well (note: I do not know who; I was merely told that they had), one can possibly understand my frustration, as well as the great desire to ironically point out that in light of what this ship is doing, it clearly was neither convention nor needless.

P.S. If I'm speaking a bit harshly from frustration, sorry guys. Trying not to be Aggro!Kas or No Prisoners!Kas here :/ But I am honestly deeply frustrated with the ease and alacrity with which this ship has trusted on Day One.

Edit: Kipper, this is why I should be banned from posting at 5:09AM... >> Thanks man

Edited November 7, 2015 by Kasimir

[little wilson she/her]

I have questions for Wilson as well. Why announce to the thread that STINK's a Forger, if you believed him to be one? Furthermore, why, knowing how vital the Hemalurgist is, did you then tell STINK instead of simply leading off his guess or simply deflecting it?

 

Because it would've come out at some point during this discussion anyway since it's a critical point to why Maill told me his role and why I talked to Stink specifically. There was no point in beating around the bush if it's already going to get out. Best to deal with it all and discuss it as we can.

 

I headed it off as best I could be saying that that was what Maill had claimed. I hinted that his claim might not have been entirely true. At that point in time, that was really the best I could do.

[STINK he/him]

I'm not a Forger. Why would I reveal myself like that?

[The Cow he/him]

Yes, Kas, you're right -- I'll concede you that. Seeing that this sort of thing really is an issue, I'll be withdrawing that earlier comment.

 

Do we have reason to believe that this claim may have either leaked out of the above network, or been shared outside of the network innately? Based on my short interactions with Mailliw, nothing diabolical was afoot.

 

Quick question about the meta here: how serious is day-start, generally?

[Kasimir he/him]

Yes, Kas, you're right -- I'll concede you that. Seeing that this sort of thing really is an issue, I'll be withdrawing that earlier comment.

 

Do we have reason to believe that this claim may have either leaked out of the above network, or been shared outside of the network innately? Based on my short interactions with Mailliw, nothing diabolical was afoot.

 

Quick question about the meta here: how serious is day-start, generally?

Yeah, sorry if I was pushing it a bit too much :/ All I can say in my defense is that I was getting increasingly frustrated with the rampant claims, and Maili's death was pretty much the breaking point in, "See, this is why you don't do that sort of thing for the love of all things sane."

Anyway, I'm going to take a break from this now and get some work done, and generally just chill. I can't answer the question on the meta as I have not quite played recently, and it really seems to depend on who's playing.

 

Because it would've come out at some point during this discussion anyway since it's a critical point to why Maill told me his role and why I talked to Stink specifically. There was no point in beating around the bush if it's already going to get out. Best to deal with it all and discuss it as we can.

 

I headed it off as best I could be saying that that was what Maill had claimed. I hinted that his claim might not have been entirely true. At that point in time, that was really the best I could do.

Forgive me; perhaps I'm not exactly understanding the situation just right, Cursor. The thing that niggles at me is that even though STINK had guessed it, there was no need or reason to say that was what Maili had claimed. He could just as well be a Feruchemist, a regular...it just seems to me as though it wasn't strictly necessary for STINK to reach that conclusion, nor for the only possible deflection to be "Well, that's what Maili said, anyway."

 

EDIT: tldr; Kas is going to take a chill pill and get some work done, and come back when he's ready to be a civilised human being.

Edited November 7, 2015 by Kasimir

[Kaid he/him]

Kasimir, I posted hastily, as I was skimming through the new day before I posted. I realize this was probably not a smart idea but I in no way am happy that a hemalurgist is dead. I can understand why that would make you suspicious of me though. Kind of feels weird to be suspected of murder Can't say that I like it.

 

Edit: When I say skimming through before I posted, I meant as I posted. So it was only after I posted that I realized a hemalurgist had died.

Edited November 7, 2015 by Kaid

[RippleGylf she/her]

Gylf gawked, then calmed herself. There were a few possible explanations for what was going on.

1) Wynde Wilson lies, John (Stink) tells the truth.

In this scenario, John is either not a forger, and didn't claim to be one. This makes Wilson automatically very suspicious, in addition to whatever happened the day previous.

2) John lies, Wilson tells the truth.

In this case, John revealed to Wilson his role as a forger, and is now claiming not to be a forger to induce suspicion of Wilson.

3) They both lie.

In this conspiracy theory, they're both traitors trying to freak everyone else out. (This doesn't seem very likely).

4) Large miscommunication.

If John's claim sounded vague enough, it could be possible that Stink wasn't roleclaiming when Wilson thought he was. (This also doesn't seem very likely since roleclaims aren't very vague).

 

Gylf came to a conclusion; This whole situation comes down to who you trust more: John or Wilson.

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At this point in time, I distrust Wilson not only because of this exchange, but because of his vote on Shallan yesterday. It seemed very much like the Ripple Effect all over again, or even the first day of MR8, where an eliminator was spared due to a last-minute lynch train instigated by an eliminator. Shallan probably didn't have much time to make any good analysis, so she did what she could, and got killed for it. The sudden vote on her doesn't seem right in my mind. If Day 1 lynches are supposed to promote discussion, how does killing someone at the very end of the cycle help?

 

Also, what is up with the message on the bathroom wall? Who wrote that message? Is that something that the eliminators get to do?

 

Edit: Retracted vote.

Edited November 8, 2015 by RippleGylf

[STINK he/him]

Okay, as multiple people know, I haven't roleclaimed Forger. 

 

Also Kas, it was easy to guess that Maw was a Hemalurgist because Wilson also explained that Maw thought that him being forged would be good as then his role could come back or something along those lines, which I remember being talked about previously where as a Feruchemist wouldn't care about that as much. 

[Guest]

Gylf gawked, then calmed herself. There were a few possible explanations for what was going on.

1) Wynde Wilson lies, John (Stink) tells the truth.

In this scenario, John is either not a forger, and didn't claim to be one. This makes Wilson automatically very suspicious, in addition to whatever happened the day previous.

2) John lies, Wilson tells the truth.

In this case, John revealed to Wilson his role as a forger, and is now claiming not to be a forger to induce suspicion of Wilson.

3) They both lie.

In this conspiracy theory, they're both traitors trying to freak everyone else out. (This doesn't seem very likely).

4) Large miscommunication.

If John's claim sounded vague enough, it could be possible that Stink wasn't roleclaiming when Wilson thought he was. (This also doesn't seem very likely since roleclaims aren't very vague).

 

Gylf came to a conclusion; This whole situation comes down to who you trust more: John or Wilson.

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At this point in time, I distrust Wilson not only because of this exchange, but because of his vote on Shallan yesterday. It seemed very much like the Ripple Effect all over again, or even the first day of MR8, where an eliminator was spared due to a last-minute lynch train instigated by an eliminator. Shallan probably didn't have much time to make any good analysis, so she did what she could, and got killed for it. The sudden vote on her doesn't seem right in my mind. If Day 1 lynches are supposed to promote discussion, how does killing someone at the very end of the cycle help?

 

Also, what is up with the message on the bathroom wall? Who wrote that message? Is that something that the eliminators get to do?

I hate to do this, but I don't want to be called out later for letting it slide...the other option is that both Wilson and STINK are innocent, and I'm the Traitor.

Of course, this assumes that I was able to call off the kill on whoever else and turn it to Mailliw within 40 minutes, but that isn't entirely impossible. On the other hand, I was PMing constantly within the last hour, so I may not have had a chance to do that.

 

Wilson is female, as well.

[little wilson she/her]

Forgive me; perhaps I'm not exactly understanding the situation just right, Cursor. The thing that niggles at me is that even though STINK had guessed it, there was no need or reason to say that was what Maili had claimed. He could just as well be a Feruchemist, a regular...it just seems to me as though it wasn't strictly necessary for STINK to reach that conclusion, nor for the only possible deflection to be "Well, that's what Maili said, anyway."

 

This:

Also Kas, it was easy to guess that Maw was a Hemalurgist because Wilson also explained that Maw thought that him being forged would be good as then his role could come back or something along those lines, which I remember being talked about previously where as a Feruchemist wouldn't care about that as much. 

 

I'd re-read back through my PM to him and it was pretty clear.

 

 

Okay, as multiple people know, I haven't roleclaimed Forger. 

 

I already said, in this post here, that you didn't fully roleclaim. What you did do was ask me if I had a role, and when I said that everyone has a role, since even No Powers is a role, you asked me if I'd be okay losing my current role. That question strongly indicates that either you are a Forger or you know a Forger. Beyond that, I had multiple PMs with you after that where I made it clear that I assumed you were a Forger and you did not correct me.

 

Now you're claiming that you're not. Okay. So you're in contact with a Forger? But you said later that someone had "finally" told you a role. This indicates that no one had roleclaimed to you previously.

 

So you're not in contact with a Forger? Then why were you phishing for my role?

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Avenge me, I beg of you.

Maw's life had been hard. He had first been a skaa living under the Lord Ruler, a place no one wanted to be. He had worked hard on the farm and secretly taught himself to read and write. When he had been blackmailed into doing a secret group's dirty deeds, he felt his happiness in a vice. When they killed his son and wife, he felt despair like never before. He had taken his scythe and ended the group that controlled him.

After that, the anger subsided, but the grief remained. He had worked with his town to drive out the evil that had plagued Blackwater. When Chid, who he'd come to have pride in, left to be a hero, Maw knew he couldn't stay either. He discovered the secrets to traveling worlds, and after many years, he made it to Nalthis. There, he met Aili. The gorgeous, sweet Returned had filled a hole in his heart, at least partially. After defeating the Pahn Kahl, they left again and traveled the cosmere.

They made it to the Seventeenth Shard and joined their ranks. After some time, though, they discovered corruption. Hoid and that mist-cursed, bird-trapping islander, Second, killed Aili and drove Maw out. This time, rage took over. He became obsessed with Hate and tried to take over the other Shards. Blood had been spilt, but Hoid, in another of his forms, had stopped him again. At that point, Maw felt only numb. Why try? Everytime he did, he lost something too valuable.

He decided to only survive, to ignore everyone and everything. Survival was the only point. When Maw watched both sides, that of Cultivation and Hoid, as well as that of Odium, run themselves into the ground, he felt joy for the first in a long time. It wasn't a happy joy, but it sparked the flame again. He began to feel disgusted with his actions of the last two centuries and decided to leave.

He found Miral. An intelligent Hemalurgist who cared about everyone and who had an innate curiosity. Maw trained Miral in the arts of persuasion as well as combat. He taught him of the cosmere and its secrets. Now, Maw had sent Miral, his new son, off into space to try himself and to explore. He was excited for him. Through Miral, Maw would get to feel the thrill and joy of traveling again. He loved the boy.

Maw received a transmission in the morning. After a single day aboard the ship, Miral, his new son, had been murderered. Brutally and without remorse. The traitors had left an innocent boy to die on his own, in a cold room in space. Maw lost it. He would never again send another in his place. He would do it himself. And he would rip those traitors limb from limb.

[Biggoron he/him]

 

Also, what is up with the message on the bathroom wall? Who wrote that message? Is that something that the eliminators get to do?

Surgebinders have the ability to send an anonymous message to be posted with the write-up??

[Paranoid King he/him]

Day 2, Pork's Journal

 

One hemallurgist is already gone. There is now no doubt in my mind that the traitors plan to strike quickly and take control of our most valuable asset, the ship itself. I now see the wisdom of the captain in keeping us secluded and separate until the flight began. Who knows what would have happened if the traitors knew the weaknesses and identities of the engineers. I must keep my eyes and ears open to discover the identities of the murderers.

 

On a happier note, I have managed to repair one of the escape pods. It was in dire condition, and if I had attempted to escape as I did last voyage, I have no doubt but that it would have failed miserably. The rest of the ship is in much the same condition. (picture enclosed)

 

I am beginning to have doubts that I will finish this voyage, and if I don't, I pray that this message is taken to my immediate friends and family: Sell all stock in Heron Mining Corp and reinvest it elsewhere. I suggest somewhere with a little less intrigue, like a farm, or a law school.

 

Several people have caught my attention during the commotion last night, and one named Kipper has caught my eye. He joined the protest against Shallan at a critical moment, and then attempted to pry information from me by warning me of my death. I have few clues, but the ones I do have, point to him.

[Kasimir he/him]

Surgebinders have the ability to send an anonymous message to be posted with the write-up??

Good catch, Biggoron! I'd almost forgotten about that.

My immediate read is that we have a Traitor!Surgebinder, then. It seems to me that whoever posted that message more or less knew what was coming (although I suppose a Crew!Surgebinder could also have simply assumed there would be a kill and chose to implicate Wilson, but that doesn't make as much sense to me. Unless they were messing around...)

If this is the case, we may have an idea as to the possible make-up of the Traitor team (in part) :

1. BioChromancer (if Alv is truthful)

2. Feruchemist (depending on Day 1 votejacking)

3. Surgebinder