Shardlet Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 I wasn't fishing for upvotes. But, thank you just the same. I just thought it was funny how much we love to hear from Peter (and Brandon) and that circumstance seemed to perfectly illustrate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterAhlstrom Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Brandon doesn't lurk though. And you're better off that way. Any time he spent lurking would be time not writing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Heh, that's probably a good thing. I'm sure some of the theories that pop up on this site would make him cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Heh, that's probably a good thing. I'm sure some of the theories that pop up on this site would make him cringe. Or give him new ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smidge Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Or give him new ideas.Brandon's next magic system will be powered by bad internet comments. The more downvotes the more powerful... the world is ruled by trolls.Actually is this our world? It might explain a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 I just noticed an interesting parallel. Lift grows hungry and uses food to gain Stormlight, while those with the Royal Locks get hungry when they grow their hair. I'm not sure if this is simple coincidence (both need fuel from somewhere) or if it's not, what it implies, but it was just something I noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Count Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Could Lift's ability to get Stormlight from food be an unintended consequence? I mean, we know from Wyndle that Lift got her ability from the Nightwatcher before she bonded with Wyndle. However, lacking a spren bond, the ability to make stormlight from food is a next to useless ability isn't it? You can do precicely nothing with it. Maybe the Nighwatcher gave lift the ability for get more energy out of her food. Then the spren bond somehow made this so that the extra energy was converted to stormlight though some weird magical interaction (since presumably Wyndle and the Nightwatcher magic are basically the same source - Cultivation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askthepaperclip Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 The bond with Wyndle allows her to surgebind. Based on what we have seen from Kaladin, there are many advantages to holding stormlight besides surgebinding (faster healing, better reflexes, holding your breath, etc). Maybe instead of "never be hungry" she asked to never hurt. "OK, then you can heal yourself with stormlight generated from food." This might actually fit with the duality of the Nightwatcher: Boon: you can heal yourself with stormlight; Curse: you can only do it with food (a precious resource for a street urchin). Starvin' unfair, that is! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Count Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Indeed, you are correct. Stormlight has many benefits for Windrunners outside of Lashings. However, are those benefit still conveyed if you are not a surgebinder? Or not a Windrunner? The Windrunners (and Szeth - who is like a Diet Windrunner) are the only Order we have seen manifest this ability. I do not think it is so simple as you make out. Edited November 13, 2013 by MadRand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardlet Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 It is however a good point to make that there may be inherent benefits that we may have seen to infusing yourself with stormlight. I know that my mind was locked somewhat onto surgebinding. Props askthepaperclip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoser Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 The Windrunners (and Szeth - who is like a Diet Windrunner) are the only Order we have seen manifest this ability. What about the Stoneward in Starfall? Lift reports that Darkness is awesome too and is able to follow her unnaturally quickly. While we don't see it, we can't assume that Jasnah and Shallan can't infuse. My working assumption at this point is that all Surgebinders can infuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 This thread give a whole new meaning to the phrase Food for Thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrono Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 What about the Stoneward in Starfall? Lift reports that Darkness is awesome too and is able to follow her unnaturally quickly. While we don't see it, we can't assume that Jasnah and Shallan can't infuse. My working assumption at this point is that all Surgebinders can infuse. In one of the Shallan chapters, after she's in the hospital, Shallan remembers how she changed the goblet into blood. "Upon opening her pouch to check on the Soulcaster, she'd found that the sphere Kabsal had given her had stopped glowing. She could remember a vague feeling of light and beauty, a raging storm inside of her." - Chapter 48 (Strawberry), pp. 678 I'm not sure exactly what you meant by "infusing" stormlight, Hoser, but I believe that Shallan's order at least can hold stormlight inside their bodies. Whether this was the Stormlight simply passing through her body to the goblet, or whether she held the stormlight and then gave it to the goblet, I have no idea. If I completely misinterpreted your words, I apologize in advance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardlet Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 I think you read him right, Chrono. Good quote, very germaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoser Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 In one of the Shallan chapters, after she's in the hospital, Shallan remembers how she changed the goblet into blood. I'm not sure exactly what you meant by "infusing" stormlight, Hoser, but I believe that Shallan's order at least can hold stormlight inside their bodies. Whether this was the Stormlight simply passing through her body to the goblet, or whether she held the stormlight and then gave it to the goblet, I have no idea. If I completely misinterpreted your words, I apologize in advance. Good catch! Thank you. I didn't remember that. I had assumed that she was the conduit, but I didn't remember what it felt like for her. I was positing that she will also be able to hold stormlight over time and glow, heal, move faster, etc. I think the quote may support the idea, but it is not really an example of what I meant by infusing. I think you read him right, Chrono. Good quote, very germaine. Welcome! And what Shardlet said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrono Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) Thanks! It's always nice to be appreciated. Edit: Had to actually look up what germaine meant. LOL Edited November 14, 2013 by Chrono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11thorderknight Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yeah, I'd be shocked if all ten orders didnt' have the same basic ability to internally use stormlight. It fits with them all sharing the First Ideal, and then branching out to the separate Ideals for more complex surgebinding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Ninja Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 Actually, I kind of thought the Soulcasting Orders would be exceptions, with every other Order besides them being able to hold Stormlight to get the strength/healing benefits. It didn't seem like Lift was able to use the Stormlight body enhancement in her chapter, she only uses her Surges, but that might just be because of either a lack of available Stormlight or her own unique nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloom Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Lift used Stormlight to heal her broken ribs when she first attempted to evade Darkness and was captured. This occurred just before she met the Larkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11thorderknight Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Again, I'd be shocked if all ten orders couldn't use internal stormlight. It would be a major break in the symmetry of the magic system, and frankly, without that basic ability, those orders of knights would be chopped liver on the battlefield. Soulcasting, despite how awesome it is, is not the most useful surge in combat. One on one in a alley against some thugs, it'll do, though even then it uses a huge amount of stormlight. Against a thunderclast? No way. I'm pretty sure we'll find out though; in the Purelake vision, the Radiant Dalinar is with glows a "deep red". Sounds much more like garnet than ruby, to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I think that Radiant must be a Dustbringer. She moves unnatualy easy through the water, which I think may be her making use of the Friction Surge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morsk Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I seriously, seriously doubt that the second ideal of the Lightweavers is "I murdered my father". LOL!This is just scaring me. I've now imagined this scenario: (Not a spoiler, just making it smaller.) Szeth is captured. Shallan is interrogating him. "My cryptic friends want to know what you did to become Truthless. They like secrets." Szeth pauses. "I'm a murderer. I killed my father." (Explosion of light. Szeth escapes.) Redshirt guard asks, "Brightness Davar! What happened?" "I freed a mass murderer." (Explosion of light. Shallan becomes more powerful. Kills witnesses with Shardblade.) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamma Fiend Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Since the Lift interlude has been released to the public, is it cool to talk about her throughout the forum?I really just want to change my sig to this..... Green Fire, on 23 Oct 2013 - 04:52 AM, said: I have a feeling that Lift just walked up into the Nightwatchers valley and asked to be "Awesome." Then Cultivation laughed her divine chull off and happly obliged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Since the Lift interlude has been released to the public, is it cool to talk about her throughout the forum? I really just want to change my sig to this..... Green Fire, on 23 Oct 2013 - 04:52 AM, said: I would say no. It is still spoilery, not everyone is reading the pre-release material. Even with it being released to the public it is still required to be in spoiler tags outside of the Steelhunt forum and the WoR Spoiler forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shardlet Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 This is just scaring me. I've now imagined this scenario: (Not a spoiler, just making it smaller.) Szeth is captured. Shallan is interrogating him. "My cryptic friends want to know what you did to become Truthless. They like secrets." Szeth pauses. "I'm a murderer. I killed my father." (Explosion of light. Szeth escapes.) Redshirt guard asks, "Brightness Davar! What happened?" "I freed a mass murderer." (Explosion of light. Shallan becomes more powerful. Kills witnesses with Shardblade.) Beautiful and worthy of an upvote if for no other reason than the redshirt guard getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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