Oudeis he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 We know Lightsong, Calmseer, and Blushweaver all Returned with a specific purpose; is that universally true? Do all Returned, whether in the Court of Gods or elsewhere, have a Destiny? When Stennimar died and watched the world across a shimmering veil of color, where was he? Was he in the Spiritual Realm?
Isomere Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Is there a difference between Innate Investiture, and Spiritwebs?I've never really seen concrete definitions of either term, but I'll take a stab at explaining how I see them.Innate investiture is just a small fragment of Adonalsium that is granted to each person at conception. How this gets merged with the soul is not well understood, but it seems to be easily detached on certain planets. For example, Breath on Nalthis is innate investiture from Endowment. (At least it is until you give it to someone else, then i suspect it becomes donated investiture). There has been much discussion about Breath and Drabs to tease out the purpose of this investiture. Since drabs lack life-sense, get sick easier, are generally more grumpy and otherwise live normal lives, perhaps the investiture makes us happier, healthier and more connected with other living things. Or perhaps it's just placebo and it doesn't do any of those things. Regardless, working with any type of investiture can allow access to the powers of creation and is a prerequisite for magic in the Cosmere. Spiritweb is even more vague. Do all things have spiritwebs? Is it exclusive to living creatures? Does it refer to the entire soul or just one aspect of it? Based off TES I think our souls have spiritual connections to everything we have ever interacted with. The sum total of those connections is the Spiritweb. Ties to your homeland, friends, neighbors, favorite sports, pets, etc would all be form part of it. That said, I suspect there is an actual spirit-body where those ties all connect. If one of those linked your soul to a bit of investiture... Possibilities. Edit: thought I was in the Q&A forum, sorry for the data dump. A good question might be: could you tell us more about the Spiritweb? Is it different than your definition of Soul? Edited January 23, 2014 by Isomere
Oudeis he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I've never really seen concrete definitions of either term, but I'll take a stab at explaining how I see them. Innate investiture is just a small fragment of Adonalsium that is granted to each person at conception. How this gets merged with the soul is not well understood, but it seems to be easily detached on certain planets. For example, Breath on Nalthis is innate investiture from Endowment. (At least it is until you give it to someone else, then i suspect it becomes donated investiture). My theory differs from yours on one critical point... you seem to believe that humans on Nalthis have, on the one hand, a soul, and stuck onto it is the Breath, which is Innate Investiture, which can be given away. My theory is that the entire spiritweb is made up of "Innate Investiture", the way a cobweb is made up of filaments. With the intervention of Endowment, Nalthians have the native ability to take a part of this and give it away, like cutting out a section of the cobweb and sticking it onto another cobweb. I believe that they're handing over their Innate Investiture; just not ALL of their Innate Investiture. So at this point, it's slightly a question of semantics. Innate Investiture means the building blocks, like how we'd talk about LEGOS. The spiritweb is a construction made of Innate Investiture, like how you can use LEGOS to build a castle. In this case, I'd say that "soul" is just a title, a word we use for the very special spiritweb that's attached to something sentient. But I'm just spit-balling. I suppose, in an attempt to get a roundabout answer, could we ask, "could a regular coinshot Push on metal piercing a drab's body?" If you can, then yes, they are giving away all of their Innate Investiture, or at least enough that a steelpush could overcome it.
Oudeis he/him Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 We know there are no more atium Mistings being Snapped. Are there atium ferrings who simply never know it because they don't have access to their metal, the way there were duralumin gnats in the World of Ash who spent their lives unaware?
Aether he/him Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 We know there are no more atium Mistings being Snapped. Are there atium ferrings who simply never know it because they don't have access to their metal, the way there were duralumin gnats in the World of Ash who spent their lives unaware? Do we really know this? We might have good reason to assume so, but do we know
RadiantAllomancer Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 I've done my best and didn't find it asked so, Is shardplate the solid form of stormlight?
Moogle Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Would a Hemalurgic spike steal one or two Surges? I assume it steals the spren-bond, which would mean two, but I'm not sure. The spren 'give' you Investiture, so perhaps it could just steal one Surge. Since regular Surgebinding requires a spren-bond (which the spren can terminate), is it even possible to transfer Surges this way? Would you be able to get 10 spren bonded to you? If so, the different Ideals speak of differing personal philosophies - could you feasibly act in accordance with all the Ideals at once? You'd only need 5 spren if each gave you two Surges, is it possible to shuffle around things so that you can only have to follow the Ideals of five of the orders? You might be able to avoid contradictions inherent to each order that way. The sort of person willing to get spiked (at the cost of others) is likely to have a philosophy fundamentally opposed to the First Ideal, too. How quickly would a spren transferred to a non-Radiant break the bond? Edited January 27, 2014 by Moogle
Oudeis he/him Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 Do we really know this? We might have good reason to assume so, but do we know I... thought we did? I'm sure there's a WoB saying that Leras swapped it out so that Atium and Malatium mistings would Snap and Cadmium/Bendalloy ones would not, and I swear there was one saying that Sazed changed it back. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Moogle Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 I... thought we did? I'm sure there's a WoB saying that Leras swapped it out so that Atium and Malatium mistings would Snap and Cadmium/Bendalloy ones would not, and I swear there was one saying that Sazed changed it back. From the recent streamed writing thing, Brandon noted that atium Mistings were a direct creation of Preservation, intended to be used as a weapon against Ruin. With that in mind, I am doubtful there's atium Ferrings. Q: If atium isn’t a regular metal then why are there atium mistings? B: They were designed and created specifically to do what they did. Remember this is-- Preservation and Ruin were able to influence the world and rewrite people’s spiritual DNA. I am also unsure if there are 'unsnapped Atium Mistings'. My (strong but not entirely justified) opinion is that Misting types are not passed down genetically. You have a kid who's a Misting, and his type is chosen at birth (or when he snaps) from a pool of sixteen choices that Preservation can alter. I believe there are no atium Mistings post-Sazed. 1
terox he/him Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 Can you spike the bonding spren? Which spiking gives surgebinding - spiking the radiant or the spren ? P.S Moogle -You probably can get lots of different effects - tHoA -"The art that is unique to Hemalurgy, however, is the knowledge of where to place the spikes" 1
Moogle Posted January 27, 2014 Posted January 27, 2014 Can you spike the bonding spren? Which spiking gives surgebinding - spiking the radiant or the spren ? P.S Moogle -You probably can get lots of different effects - tHoA -"The art that is unique to Hemalurgy, however, is the knowledge of where to place the spikes" So you'd say it's possible to steal a bonding spren directly and also steal Surges separately? That's actually probably how it works, now I think it. Thanks for giving me something to think on! I keep thinking Hemalurgy is super limited and crude, when it's probably more equivalent to high-tech super-surgery.
Aether he/him Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I... thought we did? I'm sure there's a WoB saying that Leras swapped it out so that Atium and Malatium mistings would Snap and Cadmium/Bendalloy ones would not, and I swear there was one saying that Sazed changed it back. Maybe I'm mistaken. I do not want to resuscitate the debate on whether or not there were Cadmium/Bendalloy Mistings (unknown to themselves and others) in the Final Empire, but I am pretty sure the WoB we have on that was only concerning what type of Allomancers the Mists were snapping, not snapping in general.
Oudeis he/him Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 I do not want to resuscitate the debate on whether or not there were Cadmium/Bendalloy Mistings (unknown to themselves and others) in the Final Empire, but I am pretty sure the WoB we have on that was only concerning what type of Allomancers the Mists were snapping, not snapping in general. oooooh.... I suppose I was basing it partly on the fact that Mr. Sanderson has flat-out confirmed that Bloody Tan was not a Seer, rather than RAFOing it. I thought that meant, for sure, no more naturally occurring Seers. I was over-confident. Back to my original point: So there's no reason to assume there aren't Seers today, which means there might very well be atium ferrings who simply don't realize they've got this power. In fact, someone could be an atium compounder and not realize.
SirVarrock he/him Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) I don't know if anyone has ever asked this, but would a mistborn be able to burn the tears of edgli, and if yes, what would happen? I've been wondering this ever since I saw quotes saying that investiture leaking into the physical realm was the source of both atium and the tears of edgli. I know it's not a metal, but it is caused by investiture, so... Edited February 1, 2014 by SirVarrock
Scriptorian he/him Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 I don't know if anyone has ever asked this, but would a mistborn be able to burn the tears of edgli, and if yes, what would happen? I've been wondering this ever since I saw quotes saying that investiture leaking into the physical realm was the source of both atium and the tears of edgli. I know it's not a metal, but it is caused by investiture, so... Maybe they would just start glowing like a rainbow? 1
Aether he/him Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) Maybe they would just start glowing like a rainbow? And if there are Mistings for this, would they be called "Fab's"? (as in short for Fabulous?) EDIT: And hey! My number of posts is a palindrome again! (1111) Edited February 1, 2014 by Aether
Argent he/him Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) I think the Investitures would be incompatible. The sDNA is Mistborn allows them to use metals to access the power of Preservation. My best guess is that even if a Mistborn could burn the Tears, at best it would allow them to use their own Breath for Awakening. Edited February 2, 2014 by Argent 1
Moogle Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 I think the Investitures world be incompatible. The sDNA is Mistborn allows them to use metals to access the power of Preservation. My best guess is that even if a Mistborn could burn the Tears, at best it would allow them to use their own Breath for Awakening. We know that all Investiture can work with all magic systems with some 'jury-rigging'.
Argent he/him Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 Hmm. I am not entirely convinced, but it might be possible then. Powering Allomancy with Breath is separated from powering Allomancy with Scadrian metals by only one degree. Burning the Tears sounds like two degrees of separation. But okay, it might be possible.
Robot Aztec Posted February 2, 2014 Posted February 2, 2014 I thikni t woudl be the same as if you were istbirn and ate a shardbklae there is not any cnonnectoin to the investiru and os there would not be any able to burn the metyal nad get power the shard blade was answer by Mr Sanderson but if you ate a shardblae that you owned i dunno what would happen if or vasher ate nightblood ame q since it would be 'his ' night blood.
Elbereth she/her Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 Suggested by Peter: Is Mare's full name Marewill, like the flowers named after her?
Moogle Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 Would a parshman who received a Breath become like a Parshendi? 3
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