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Have we seen anyone not from/on Scadrial use hemalurgy?

Good question, given the Alloy of the Law Ars Arcanum.

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Have we seen anyone not from/on Scadrial use hemalurgy?

 

We have WoB that it has been used off-Scadrial, but no indication as to whether we have seen it.

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We have WoB that it has been used off-Scadrial, but no indication as to whether we have seen it.

Hoid.

 

If a Steel Inquisitor Burned Aluminum, would that get rid of his Spikes?

 

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If a Steel Inquisitor Burned Aluminum, would that get rid of his Spikes?

 

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Brandon has said one thing I know of to clarify what Aluminium does :

 

Brandon Sanderson

 

And some silly:

1) What benefit does an aluminum savant get? Yes, I know this would normally never happen because aluminum burns itself up. Suppose a mad scientist with a willing Mistborn test subject shoved a feeding tube down the Mistborn's throat to pump in a continuous stream of aluminum, replenishing it steadily so there's always a new unburned supply. Add another tube to pump out excess water if necessary. What would he discover? Alternatively, what would Sazed with his Shard-granted knowledge know?

Ha, that IS a little silly of a method. However, on the extreme end of aluminum, I have in the notes the possibility of cleansing the spirit of unwanted effects of other investitures. You'd get really good at this, and maybe even be able to cleanse the body of other impurities.

 

so, yes. Aluminium could destroy the Hemelurgic spikes an inquisitor carries, but it may/may not requre a savant in order to accomplish the full effect.

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sidenote 1: burning Aluminium would likely use up all the aluminium prior to the spikes being completely destroyed (aluminum anialates itself as well as other metals when used)

 

sidenote 2: partial but incomplete destruction of a hemelurgic spike can cause some "very strange" side effects. (Brandon mentioned a few times hemelurgy can do very odd things when used improperly, or is tampered with. See Allomantically burning a Hemalurgic Spike)

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But do Spikes count as an impurity? They're integrated into your Spiritweb, so I don't think any Spiritual check for foreign objects would actually notice them and destroy them. Normal, burnable metals don't have that sort of integration, so Aluminum can target them.

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Spikes are an Investiture that affects you, it would fall under "cleansing the spirit of unwanted effects of other Investitures".

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Would being a Drab counts as having a 'Crack' in the Spiritweb?

 

If a Drab went to Roshar would they be more likely to get a Nahel-bond or would they have to be Rosharan to be able to qualify for a Nahel-bond?

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Would being a Drab counts as having a 'Crack' in the Spiritweb?

I wonder where you want to go with that question? Do you refer to the "cracks" as for example we see them in Shallan or Kaladin?

If yes, my gut says: No, because their "cracks" aren't caused by being ripped of their Innate Investiture.

If no, you seem to be right:

 

The_Vikachu ()

I remember reading you answer earlier that a person being used to charge a hemalurgic spike does not necessarily have to die. Would that victim be similar to a Drab from Warbreaker?

Brandon Sanderson

Well, making a spike rips off a piece of someone's soul. So...yeah. I'd need to see my exact quote from before, but let's say it's not going to leave a person in good shape.

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For completeness, I think Brandon referred to this quote:

zas678

Does the person being pierced in order to charge a Hemalurgic spike have to die?

Brandon Sanderson

Not necessarily. A spike does require you to rip pieces of a soul from the victim, but that does not mean they must die. They would be a very different person afterwords though.

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If a Drab went to Roshar would they be more likely to get a Nahel-bond or would they have to be Rosharan to be able to qualify for a Nahel-bond?

I don't think Drabs could get a Nahel bond, because it's inherent to being a Drab that they have lost their Innate Investiture.

As a side note: Would a Drab be able to worldhop? :)

And the Nahel bond is between a surgebinder and a spren -- so why should a spren bond to someone unable to use Investiture (neither their own nor the Rosharan)? As for BS said that the Rosharan people have Innate Investiture too, the Drab would require to this Investiture from somewhere (or someone ... spikes ... :)).

For the second part: I can imagine that people from other worlds with the right prerequisition can form a Nahel bond with a spren.

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I wonder where you want to go with that question? Do you refer to the "cracks" as for example we see them in Shallan or Kaladin?

If yes, my gut says: No, because their "cracks" aren't caused by being ripped of their Innate Investiture.

If no, you seem to be right:

 

I was meaning in regards to them being able to gain Investiture, because a 'cracked Spiritweb is necessary.

Like if a Scadrian Lerasium mistborn went to Nalthis and had a child with a Nalthisian, and the child had a breath but got made into a Drab. Then the child was taken back to Scadrial would the gap left by the Breath count as a 'cracked' Spiritweb allowing the child to become an Allomancer? Or would it still need to be Snapped? ( That was a long winded question )

 

I don't think Drabs could get a Nahel bond, because it's inherent to being a Drab that they have lost their Innate Investiture.

 

So innate Investiture is required for a Nahel-bond? I guess that makes sense it would give the Spren something to hold onto as it transitioned from the Cognitive to the Physical Realm.

 

As a side note: Would a Drab be able to worldhop? :)

 

No idea. Really depends if Investiture is needed to travel the other Realms.

 

 

 

And the Nahel bond is between a surgebinder and a spren -- so why should a spren bond to someone unable to use Investiture (neither their own nor the Rosharan)? As for BS said that the Rosharan people have Innate Investiture too, the Drab would require to this Investiture from somewhere (or someone ... spikes ... :)).

For the second part: I can imagine that people from other worlds with the right prerequisition can form a Nahel bond with a spren.

 

But a Drab is able to use Innvestiture. They just don't have any whilst a Drab.

 

So if a worldhopper really wanted to they could get a Nahel-bond?

 

How much more powerful are the Knights Radiant compared to the Surgebinders talked of by Nohadon?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by SmurfAquamarineBodies
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At first: Every time I write "I (don't) think ..." this means I have no evidence for this special thought. :) And: I admit that I have problems to understand the subtleties of your question(s) (due to me not being an English-native speaker).

 

I was meaning in regards to them being able to gain Investiture, because a 'cracked Spiritweb is necessary.

What do you mean with: "being able to gain Investiture?

 

Like if a Scadrian Lerasium mistborn went to Nalthis and had a child with a Nalthisian, and the child had a breath but got made into a Drab. Then the child was taken back to Scadrial would the gap left by the Breath count as a 'cracked' Spiritweb allowing the child to become an Allomancer? Or would it still need to be Snapped? ( That was a long winded question )

Do you know this one?

 

Chaos

A lerasium Mistborn's kids would surely be Allomancers. If such a lerasium Mistborn traveled to, say, Nalthis, fell in love and had kids with a native Nalthisean, would those kids be Allomancers? Or something else?

Brandon Sanderson

In most cases, they would still be Allomancers. Mixed, potentially, with something else depending on the native innate investiture. That mixture could do some strange things, though.

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It doesn't really answer your question, but is it the reason for it? :)

So innate Investiture is required for a Nahel-bond? I guess that makes sense it would give the Spren something to hold onto as it transitioned from the Cognitive to the Physical Realm.

I think so, but I have no evidence.

 

So if a worldhopper really wanted to they could get a Nahel-bond?

As far as I understand Mr. Sanderson a lot of things are possible.

 

How much more powerful are the Knights Radiant compared to the Surgebinders talked of by Nohadon?

I don't know. Some of the people here are strongly convinced that there had not been a "Nahel" bond before the Knights Radiant were established; but surely there had been some kind of a bond before (with the Surgebinders).

Hopefully someone more capable of helping you jumps in.

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At first: Every time I write "I (don't) think ..." this means I have no evidence for this special thought. :) And: I admit that I have problems to understand the subtleties of your question(s) (due to me not being an English-native speaker).

What do you mean with: "being able to gain Investiture?

Do you know this one?

 

SmurfAquamarineBodies is asking if the child would need to be Snapped, not if the child would be a potential Allomancer.

Posted

Is the nature of Vin's noble heritage known during the Alloy-era? (Because if so I could totally see House Tekiel trying to build itself based on its relationship to her)

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I don't think Drabs could get a Nahel bond, because it's inherent to being a Drab that they have lost their Innate Investiture.

 

 

Though many of the statements here have assumed otherwise, Drabs are not incapable of using investature. They are not incapable of gaining investature either (they can have breath donated to them by someone else, for example.)

(The difference betweena normal person and a Drab, in many ways, is similar to the difference between a full cup, and an empty one, not a full cup and a broken one)

Knowing that, a Drab should be just as eligible for a Nahel bond as any other worldhopper. (of whome we have very few concrete examples)

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If a Hemalurgist used Hemalurgy on Kaladin and took something not relating to his Nahel-bond, would Sylphrena fill the hole in his Spiritweb ( caused by the Spike ) with her own Investiture? Making their Bond more powerful.

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If a Hemalurgist used Hemalurgy on Kaladin and took something not relating to his Nahel-bond, would Sylphrena fill the hole in his Spiritweb ( caused by the Spike ) with her own Investiture? Making their Bond more powerful.

O_o! That is actually a very good question! Depending on how Sylphrena is "linked" to his Spiritweb, though. It could be that it is impossible to Hemalurgically steal something from him without affecting the bond.

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But then what is a Allomantic Savant if not a person who has increased the 'crack' ( for want of a better word ) in their Spiritweb allowing more Investiture in so that they become more powerful. Or is that not how that works?

 

If Shallan told Pattern "this statement is false" would his head explode? Because it is a paradox.

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I doubt it would increase the power of the bond. I get the impression that its more "now the magic can get in because there are some cracks" rather than "OOOOOOH! More holes in his soul to fill!!!!" It's not like more powerful allomancers... need... more nasty snappings... after... all...  :mellow:

 

Huh. I'll think on it.

 

I admit, I've always had a soft spot for the theory. It certainly would support the Unmade being super powerful because Odium broke their souls repeatedly until they had basically nothing left while filling the cracks with his Investiture.

 

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Questions!

 

Does Surgebinding drain heat like Awakening drains color?

 

Why did Kaladin use a hammer to break Szeth's shoulder rather than a Blade to kill him? (This one is driving me crazy)

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Hey new person here. i was told to post some questions here. and my question is:

were any of the original shard holders (rayse, tanavast, ati etc.) related. we know that honor and cultivation were romantically involved, were any of them brother and sister or child parent.

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If Shallan told Pattern "this statement is false" would his head explode? Because it is a paradox.

Cryptics would really like that statement. Is it true? Is it false?

 

"Mmmm. True lies. Mmmm. Lying truth… Mmmm."

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I'm not caught up on WoB, but here's a question I'd like to know the answer to:

 

What do they say about Rall Elorim?

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Graves claims that if he had killed Elhokar (and done it more quickly), Dalinar would have become an ally of Taravangian. Is there any truth to this idea?

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