Mid-Range Game 8: Highborn Intrigue

[Haelbarde he/him]

[Rage]

Talk of Discovery makes me grumpy. By definition, Discovery was not an eliminator faction until they received (S)laughter. Also by definition, an eliminator faction without the ability to eliminate their foes is not an eliminator faction. 

[/Rage]

 

I'm pretty sure the highstorm(s) is just flavor in this game.

[Shallan she/her]

Awwww. Why'd you have to kill someone? That was mean. () Anyway, I'm voting for Hero because of my reasons yesterday and what Clanky said. I might change it but it's not likely.

[Paranoid King he/him]

[Rage]

Talk of Discovery makes me grumpy. By definition, Discovery was not an eliminator faction until they received (S)laughter. Also by definition, an eliminator faction without the ability to eliminate their foes is not an eliminator faction.

[/Rage]

I am with you 100%. I was discovery on that game too. That was my first game, too, so I didn't know the difference between "balanced" and "unbalanced". I thought I was just playing it wrong until people started ranting about how useless discovery was.

[Shallan she/her]

I just got the reason from Clanky, and if he doesn't end up posting it, just know that for Hero to be innocent, he would have to be so, SO, unlucky.

[Seonid he/him]

On the strength of that assertion, I'll vote Hero. If he turns out to be innocent, I'm voting for Clanky.

[Clanky he/him]

I fully expect to die if he is innocent. If all this ends up being coincidence I will deserve death since luck obviously doesn't want me to have nice things.

[Herowannabe he/him]

Woah, wait, what?   

 

*Goes and checks posts that he missed*

 

*Finds them to be not very informative*

 

Well that was... not very informative.    

 

Clanky, care to explain to me why I'm a conspirator very, very unlucky? Normally in situations like these, the expected response would be for me to cast a counter vote on my accuser, but I actually don't think Clanky is an eliminator. Instead, I'm going to vote for Shallan. Twice in a row now she has been quick to vote for me for what I find to be shaky reasoning (Seonid has also done the same, but I feel his reasons have been a little more firm). You suspect me because I misunderstood who Wilson was talking about in a PM and I accused the wrong person because of it? Even Sart withdrew his vote from me when I realized my error and explained it.

 

EDIT: Also, tomorrow is my birthday (8/31). You guys wouldn't lynch me on my birthday, would you?   

 

EDIT2: typos

Edited August 31, 2015 by Herowannabe

[Seonid he/him]

EDIT: Also, tomorrow is my birthday (8/31). You guys wouldn't lynch me on my birthday, would you?

Only if you're a conspirator

[Clanky he/him]

You know what you did Hero!

 

But actually, I will explain myself in due time. Don't worry Hero you will learn how you got caught.(Or how you got very unlucky)

[Herowannabe he/him]

You know what you did Hero!

 

I swear, I had no idea she was your wife! She said that-

 

Oh, you're not talking about that. Never mind then. 

 

But seriously, I really don't know what you're talking about. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Is it just me or are we losing very badly right now? Between all the lynches, assassinations and Conspirator kills, we have lost most of our more vocal players, which I think has contributed into the lull of activity and, thus, lack of leads. From what I have observed I am nearly convinced that Hero, Winter and Paranoid are three of the remaining badguys. I was planning on placing a vote on Paranoid this turn, however, given the aforementioned information I had just received from Clanky, his theory has my full support. At this point in time I think it's pretty much essential that Hero is strung up, evil or innocent, as it should provide the most leads either way.

[Adamir he/him]

I'll leave my vote off Shallan, due to the unlikely odds of her being an Eliminator so soon after the last time. For now, I am going to keep my vote on Araris.

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Whilst I would like to share such certainty of Hero's guilt, and he does feature on my list of suspicions, I am reluctant to both end discussion this early, and condemn someone without knowing the reasons behind it - would anyone care to tell me?

I would assume it is to do with scanning, and the unluckiness the risk of corruption?

[Shallan she/her]

I don't think Clanky wants to share that quite yet because if he did, the discussion would be about over. By letting people discuss we learn who we should lynch tomorrow

[Sart he/him]

Hmmm... well, I have expressed doubt of Hero in the past. I'm guessing that the Ardent is leading this lynch mob. We should gain valuable knowledge if Hero is lynched. Namely, if the Ardent hasn't been corrupted. At this point in the game, that is a real concern. If Hero is guilty, we have some obvious suspects. If he isn't guilty, it's more than likely that some Eliminators jumped on the train.

 

Also, some of you suspect me because I retracted my vote off of him. I only did that because I thought he was genuinely mistaken. I doubted that an Eliminator would make that kind of mistake about who people were suspicious of. However, it is also like an Eliminator to push a lynch forward, which is what Hero has been doing this game.

[Haelbarde he/him]

I'm not sure who I want to vote for yet, but I've heard what Clanky has to say, and while I need to sit down and think it through properly, I'm not convinced. I'm not sure that it's quite as slim a chance that he's unlucky (if I'm remembering the rules correctly here - I've repeatedly got them wrong so far this game), so I'm not yet willing to support a Hero Lynch. Now neither do I think Clanky is a Conspirator.

[Clanky he/him]

I just realized that I won't be able to get on a computer for the rest of the cycle and I don't like using my phone as much as possible for this stuff. I have decided to reveal why I think Hero is a conspirator now instead of waiting. This is what I sent to some people in PM, I know there are other possibilities but I want people to think which is most likely:

 

 

 

Firstly I am an Artifabrian, corrupted now. Basically I targeted wilson the cycle before she died. I told Hero that I was in contact with the artifabrian who had targeted wilson. I told him that the artifabrian didn't trust him and I was acting as the go between. I made it pretty obvious that I was actually the artifabrian and was just trying for a bit of secrecy. Then I told him that the anonymous artifab would target him next cycle to prove himself. 

The next day Hero told me that he got the message saying he had been targeted by an artifabrian. 

 

A bit of background: I had found out from renegade that it is possible for an artifabrian to target themselves and they would receive the same message as if a different artifabrian had targeted them. 

 

So next cycle after targeting Hero I targeted myself only to find out that I had been corrupted. I hadn't even hinted about my role to anyone else so he would be the only one who would know it. 

 

Now I realize that it could have been random chance that I was corrupted that turn so Hero didn't lie or have anything to do with corrupting me. Also a courier could have intercepted the message. I still believe Hero as a conspirator is most likely. 

 

Bonus point: Hero told me the anonymous artifabrian should target other people instead of him since he didn't have an important role.

 

 

 

P.S. Haelbarde did have the rule he was referring to wrong in the above post.

[Macen he/him]

So. I've been trying to get caught up and I thought I would post my suspicions at the moment.

Hero - Araris - Hael. I don't have any perfect examples to type out yet, and because of that - I'm going to refrain from actually voting. I've just been reading and think they are likely to be bad (Probably only 2 out of the three though, just not sure which two).

I will try to post a bit more detail analysis when I can.

[Herowannabe he/him]

So in short, I'm the lead suspect because Clanky found out he was corrupted right after targeting me. Well that's... Unlucky.

And once again, the only defense I have to offer is a lackluster one: everything Clanky said is true, to the best of my knowledge. He did contact me, told me he knew an artifabrian who sorta trusted me but didn't want to reveal their role, and I was notified that an artifabrian had targeted me two nights ago. I had considered that Clanky might have been talking about himself, but I was willing to take his word at face value and assume it was someone else. I told them/him that I was a humble brightlord (before I announced it in the main thread) and that the artifabrian's efforts were best directed elsewhere. That was the end of their conversation.

The only defense I can offer is: if I were an eliminator, why the storms would I corrupt Clanky right after all this went down? Not only would it immediately make Clanky suspect me (as has been shown), but a corrupt artifabrian is just as dangerous to the eliminators as an uncorrupted one. Even corrupted, Clanky can still coordinate with people to guarantee they are corrupted on a given night/day, so they know exactly what their power will do and can plan accordingly (although it is unfortunate that Clanky revealed his role to the group, as now he's probably not long for this world, unless we still have an uncorrupted guardian out there).

Also, if I were an eliminator, and I was worried about Clanky, why would I not just have him killed instead? I guess that does leave the possibility that Clanky was telling the truth and leave the real artifabrian alive, so maybe that was the best option.

No, if I were an eliminator I would have told Clanky something along the line of "oh thank you! I'm an ardent and I think I have been corrupted so can you please have the artifabrian keep targeting me so that I can continue scanning?" It would keep the artifabrian occupied and allow me to play Clanky and lead him around by the nose- a far better situation than the one I currently find myself in.

No, I'm not an eliminator, I'm just unlucky. But if you feel the need to lynch me in order to prove it then I guess I can't stop you.

[Sart he/him]

Let me get this timeline straight.

• Day 2?: Wilson is targeted by Clanky. I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean by "the cycle before Wilson died," but I'll assume that's what you meant.
• Night 3: Wilson dies before she can tell anyone if she was uncorrupted or not.
• Day 3: Clanky implies to Hero that he is the Artifabrian, and that he is targeting Hero. Hero states that he doesn't have a useful role.
• Night 4: Hero presumably gets a message saying he was uncorrupted.
• Day 4: Hero tells Clanky that he was uncorrupted last night. Clanky checks to see if he is corrupted or not.
• Night 5: Clanky finds out he was corrupted.

It's not exactly a slam dunk... The issue in question here is when Clanky was corrupted. Clanky believes that he was corrupted on Day 3, and that Hero is lying about being corrupted. Unfortunately, there's the possibility that Clanky was corrupted on Day 4. Furthermore, if the eliminators did learn of Clanky's role, wouldn't they have just killed him instead?  I don't think this is an Eliminator ploy, but on its own, it's not enough to convince me of Hero's guilt. However, his posts have made me suspicious of him, so I guess I'll keep my vote on him. I don't know if I'll keep it there. I'd like to see what Hero has to say about this first.

 

Edit: I got ninja'd by Hero after I typed this up. He basically re-stated my concerns. Great...

Edited August 31, 2015 by a smart guy

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Well, Hero has a few votes on him, but I do think that it is a bit strange that so many people were willing to vote based off of that information without anyone, until Sart, bringing up the alternate possibilities. I am suspicious of Hero for a few of my own reasons (it would be nice to hear a few of his suspicions now that he has been saving up, according to him), and this is a little suspect, but I think my vote can be more useful in other places. Adamir, you have vote for me a few cycles in a row, without ever making an attempt to convince anyone else that I am guilty or, from what I have seen, answered any of my questions about your suspicions of me. I'm fine with being killed because I did a bunch of things that draw suspicion, that means that I need to figure out why I look like I'm on the wrong team and fix something. But your vote doesn't contribute anything to the discussion, and since I seems to be a suspect to a few people, nobody is thinking twice (or at least posting) about the lack of content in your post.

 

Macen, I am interested in hearing what you have to say about Hero and myself.

 

I also am going to go back and try to look at who publicly agreed with the concept of using codes in PMs. Because that sort of thing seems to be nearly as helpful to the eliminators as it would be for the village. Although less so now that we have lost 2(?) couriers.

[Herowannabe he/him]

Let me get this timeline straight.

• Day 2?: Wilson is targeted by Clanky. I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean by "the cycle before Wilson died," but I'll assume that's what you meant.
• Night 3: Wilson dies before she can tell anyone if she was uncorrupted or not.
• Day 3: Clanky implies to Hero that he is the Artifabrian, and that he is targeting Hero. Hero states that he doesn't have a useful role.
• Night 4: Hero presumably gets a message saying he was uncorrupted.
• Day 4: Hero tells Clanky that he was uncorrupted last night. Clanky checks to see if he is corrupted or not.
• Night 5: Clanky finds out he was corrupted.

It's not exactly a slam dunk... The issue in question here is when Clanky was corrupted. Clanky believes that he was corrupted on Day 3, and that Hero is lying about being corrupted. Unfortunately, there's the possibility that Clanky was corrupted on Day 4. Furthermore, if the eliminators did learn of Clanky's role, wouldn't they have just killed him instead?  I don't think this is an Eliminator ploy, but on its own, it's not enough to convince me of Hero's guilt. However, his posts have made me suspicious of him, so I guess I'll keep my vote on him. I don't know if I'll keep it there. I'd like to see what Hero has to say about this first.

 

Edit: I got ninja'd by Hero after I typed this up. He basically re-stated my concerns. Great...

 

Basically right, except that I DID get the notice that I was uncorrupted on night 4. So Clanky would have had to have been corrupted day 4.

 

EDIT: I missed Araris's request on my first read through. My main suspicion (the aforementioned 75% one) was Honey Badger. He hasn't posted very much this game, but enough to not appear inactive, and a lot of his earlier posts seemed to be geared towards causing confusion and steering people astray, mixed with affirmations that people were probably innocent (which, if Honey is an eliminator, he would know of course). Plus his vote on Maill seemed pretty suspicious at the time. But I've been watching him and now I'm not as sure as I used to be. I'd say a 50/50 chance he's an eliminator.

 

My only other suspicion right now is Shallan, who I voted for, simply because of the way she has been going after me the past couple cycles. It reads more as an eliminator trying to hop about a lynch train before it gets going than a genuine suspicion of me. 

Edited August 31, 2015 by Herowannabe

[Paranoid King he/him]

I also am going to go back and try to look at who publicly agreed with the concept of using codes in PMs. Because that sort of thing seems to be nearly as helpful to the eliminators as it would be for the village. Although less so now that we have lost 2(?) couriers.

Kipper was the first one who brought up using codes in PMs, right? But he's dead now, so you can't really blame him for being a eliminator.

[Seonid he/him]

Well crap. That's nowhere near as strong as I was hoping for. I was sure clanky was an ardent in hiding, revealing the results of his scan. The artifabrian trick is nice, but not as conclusive as it first was presented as.

Question though: hero, did you actually place a secret vote last night?

[Shallan she/her]

Hero seems to be doing the I-know-you-know thing. I thought that was a common eliminator strategy?