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I just spent the last two hours typing up a huge analysis post for the situations that people are focused most on Eol for. The Social Experiment and The Lynch on Satrams. Unfortunately, technical problems happened, and I happened to lose all of it. It's way too late in the cycle for me to type it all back up and collect the information. However, I'd like to make a request.

 

Those who have votes on Eol and can change them (so Peng and Araris, since Wyrm is asleep) I appeal to you to remove your votes. I also appeal to the Village Seeker to Seek Eol tonight. I'm sure there is someone you trust enough to give the information of your seeking to.

 

I really do not think it would be wise for us to lynch Eol. After collecting all the relevant posts in those two situations, I've seen who is being manipulated, and I have a fair idea of who is doing it. If you give me some time (not tonight. I need to get some sleep tonight, since I've gotten far too little the last 3 nights, and it's starting to take a serious toll on me), I will show you what I've found. One day. That's all that I ask. If you're not swayed, kill me tomorrow in the lynch.

 

There's one main thing about this game. People make mistakes--most often the villagers. But we can learn from those mistakes.  We do. It's just when. Hopefully before we do too much damage. If you kill Eol, there's no going back from that. You'll have let the Spiked manipulate you. Don't give them that power. This may seem heavy-handed. It is. And I understand it's going to make me seem suspicious. That's fine. I've never stuck my neck out this far for someone, but I am certain that he's innocent and we do not want to kill him. There are other ways to confirm him. Let the Seeker do their part. Please.

Posted

The day is over, but with so much going on at the last minute, I'm still working on the write up! I'll have it up as soon as possible, but don't expect anything too amazing this time unfortunately! :(

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Posted (edited)

Night 3: Revenge is a Dish Best Served With Fists!

 

The day had been long and arduous. The sun seemed to beat down even hotter than normal and the ashmount wasn’t providing a lot of ash for cover. The heat acted like a leech on the villagers and they moved about at a sluggish pace.

 

All except one of them; Wyra. She still seemed to be going strong; running errands for Edgar, almost as if she were flaunting the fact that she was in much better shape than the rest of the villagers.

 

Most of the villagers had decided to take the day off and were lounging in Satrams’, now Reeco’s tavern and they’d watch her as she would jog past them through the windows.

 

“I don’t know how she does it,” said the Baron with a shake of his head. “Just watching her is making me tired!”

 

Not that the Baron had much time for staring out the window. The rest of the villagers were in the tavern and they were discussing their poor luck recently and were looking for someone to blame…

 

Many kept turning to Eoladdin. Surely their problems weren’t caused by normal, intelligent folks. This must be the work of a mad man.

 

In his defense, Eoladdin spent a large portion of his time sitting in the corner, rubbing that lamp of his and wishing for a way out.

 

They had all but decided to throw him to the Koloss when they arrived when Wyra jogged past the windows again on another errand.

 

“You’d have to be mad to be running around in this heat!” Ashette exclaimed as she did her best to fan herself. “You wouldn’t catch me out there! Oh what I’d give to be back in Luthadel! The iced wine and the balls and the... “

The rest of the crowd stopped listening. It was true; you would have to be insane to be running around out there. But she wasn’t out there because she wanted to be, she was out there on the orders of Edgar….

 

The entirety of the village seemed to come to this conclusion together, their anger at Eoladdin forgotten somehow. Now Edgar on the other hand, he sounded like a pretty crafty mastermind.

 

It took some prodding to get them to actually go outside and even more to approach the furnace that was the blacksmith’s armory, but eventually they did make it. Edgar was pounding away, shaping what looked to be the head of an axe, though he didn’t look happy about it. Perhaps he had bad memories about axes?

 

The mob, sweating in the afternoon heat, wasted no time. They just wanted to get back to the shade. Best to put a stop to these killings and sabotages quickly. They grabbed Edgar from behind and dragged him out of his armory. Edgar fought back, but there were more than enough to them to overpower him. They pummelled and kicked him to the ground. A few of the villagers ran back into his shop and grabbed some knives and swords he had made for the villages defense.

 

As they drew in for the coup de grâce, a single voice at the edge of the crowd called out:

 

“Just what in the name of the Lord Ruler do you people think you’re doing?!?”

They turned to find a very strong and very angery Wyra. She had her hands balled up into fists at her side, her eyes were narrowed to slits and she was so tensed up that she made rock seem fluid.

 

Before they could even fathom a reply, she lashed out at those that had the unfortunate luck to be standing anywhere near her. She was a flurry of punches and kicks and wherever she went, she left a trail of bruised bodies and egos behind her.

 

As she neared the center of the mob, the few that had taken weapons tried them, but though they sliced her, she just kept going. She was like a force of nature, impossible to stop.

 

Eventually the villagers’ nerve broke and they scattered, leaving a horribly beaten up Edgar and a blood-dripping Wyra in peace.

 

She fell to her knees in front of the body of her broken master. She tried to see if there was anything she could do for him, but she was no doctor. She knew how to cause such wounds, not heal them.

 

Amazingly, Edgar was still alive! Maybe not for long, but alive!

 

“You weren’t my first choice,” he gasped, “but you were probably my best choice. I graduate you. You’re no longer an apprentice.”

 

“Don’t make me regret it,” He said with a crooked smile before finally fading.

 

Wyra stayed like that, kneeling before his body until almost dusk.

 

Then she lifted Edgar’s body and took them back into the armory. She would have to bury him tomorrow, but right now, she needed more pewter.

 

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Night 3 Begins! Since this write up took a little bit longer and I want to keep as close to schedule as possible, there will be 23 hours in this night!

 

Wyra is a Thug!

 

Votes

(3) Wyra- Wilson, Ashette, Maill

(2) Eoladdin- Peng, Wyra

(2) Peng- Jain, Lord Ostrich

(2) Lord Ostrich- Eoladdin, Herwynbe

(1) Ament- Melend

(1) Larry- Senn

(1) Maill- Rent

(1) Jain- Clancy

 

(11) No Votes- Joe, Dom, Cleo, Newan, Ament, Damon, Odustren, Riew, Larry, Reeco, Aralis, Baron Von Piffertiff

 

Edited by Metacognition
Posted (edited)

Well... Interesting. It appears there is some soother/rioter work going on here, because the end tally doesn't match the thread. Aralis and I both cast votes, but ended up in the no-vote list

 

(rules clarification: When someone's vote is changed via rioting/soothing, how will it appear in the final tally? Exactly like it is above? As in Aralis and I were really soothed or rioted, that's not just a mistake, right?)

Edited by Herowannabe
Posted (edited)

Yours was a mistake. I didn't see your edit until afterwards (if that would've changed the write up, I would've flipped!) and it's already been fixed, but that is how emotional allomancy will show up.

Edited by Metacognition
Posted (edited)

Wait, so was Wyra executed, or Edgar? o.O 

Or are they both gone now?

I'm confused... x.x

 

I missed the end of the day cycle, so I'm not sure what exactly just happened... .3.;

Edited by Unodus
Posted (edited)

Gee guys, thanks for lynching me after I can't defend myself. Really makes me feel loved. If I didn't have an extra life, I would feel pretty annoyed about dying this way. Mailliw and Ashiok, I would love to hear why you thought that lynching me when I couldn't defend myself was a good idea. Particularly you, Mailliw, when you voted half an hour before the end.

 

And if I die tonight from an Eliminator kill, well. I suppose it's better than you tunneling onto me the next day, but I hope it makes you all rethink things hard. I will laugh if I'm the only one who's looking at things right.

Edited by Wyrmhero
Posted

Claincy, to answer your question, I'm in China right now, but my laptop is set to Melbourne time.

 

Unodus, Wyrm was a Thug - an ability which grants him a second life - so he was lynched just then, but he still has one life left (Edgar dying represents Wyrm losing one of his lives).

Posted

Ok, I'm back from work and have helped cook (and eat!) dinner, and I've caught up on PMs and the thread.

I apologize for being absent for most of the second part of the day, I was working from 9-5 (5pm here is when the cycle ends) and I only had time to check PMs in the morning and not enough time to post or reply. Fortunately this shouldn't occur again until wednesday. Though, I am quite happy to have my first professional IT job!

 

...And then I had finally started writing this post and our internet connection cut off!...it's back now, so here's a post.

 

I don't have too much to say about today, partly because I'm just tired.

We could guess a number different possibilities from Alaris's vote being soothed

-Wilson has access to a soother or mistborn

-The spiked have a soother or mistborn and are trying to protect Eolhondras or want Wyrm dead

-The spiked have a soother or mistborn and are trying to throw even more suspicion on him

-The spiked didn't care that much who died so long as someone did

Conclusion? Not sure, let's keep a close eye on vote manipulation in the next round and we might be able to sus it out. Sorry that isn't overly helpful I think I had a point before the net went but it's gone now: tired. :/

 

 

Claincy, to answer your question, I'm in China right now, but my laptop is set to Melbourne time.

Ok, that does make sense. Hope you're having a good time there :)

One quick suggestion, rather than just saying you didn't want to participate in the discussion which is kinda suspicious sounding, you would perhaps be better off mentioning limited wifi access to start with or even just say that "I unfortunately can't participate in the discussion much for rl reasons." if you didn't want to say anything about your personal life. *shrug* would just be a little less suspicious.

Posted

Thanks, Panda ^-^

So, who's been rioted/ soothed?
Knowing how many emotimancers we're up against could be useful... :V

Posted

I was definitely soothed. I am in contact with someone that says that they soothed Wilson, but that PM came late enough last night that the order might not have gone through.

Posted

Okay so from what I can tell before soother/rioter shenanigans the vote last night was tied 3/3 between Eol and Wyrm. Now correct me if I'm wrong but if a lynch vote is tied then no one gets lynched, correct? So the fact that someone Soothed a vote for Eol ensured that Wyrm died.  I find it interesting that Eol was saved instead of Wyrm.  I'll echo Wilson and ask the seekers among us to Seek him sooner rather than later.

 

(I'm pretty sure this holds up but I'm not 100% sure I got the pre-meddling vote tally right)

Posted

Wyrm asked me why I voted for him. This was my answer:

I did so because of what wilson said about Kas, combined with the fact that I didn't think anybody else would come on right before the cycle ended.
I posted two hours before, assuming that if anybody voted for him, I'd be able to discuss why. Mail posted after I went to bed, if I had seen his post, I would've retracted my vote. His votes have no logic to them, and this makes me suspicious.

I'm not saying that I thought to go behind the back of the village and change the lynch vote, I just wanted to promote discussion. I probably should've retracted the vote before I went to bed, but I didn't think anybody would act on it... Oops.

So, Mail, why did you vote Wyrm?

Posted

So, Mail, why did you vote Wyrm?

 

Maill voted Wyrm because I asked for help in saving Eol. I'm pretty sure neither of us expected emotional allomancy, and particularly not emotional allomancy in the way of saving Eol. I haven't had time to focus on what exactly that means yet since I've been at work all day, and the rollover happened as I was going to sleep.

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Wyrm asked me why I voted for him. This was my answer:

I did so because of what wilson said about Kas, combined with the fact that I didn't think anybody else would come on right before the cycle ended.

I posted two hours before, assuming that if anybody voted for him, I'd be able to discuss why. Mail posted after I went to bed, if I had seen his post, I would've retracted my vote. His votes have no logic to them, and this makes me suspicious.

I'm not saying that I thought to go behind the back of the village and change the lynch vote, I just wanted to promote discussion. I probably should've retracted the vote before I went to bed, but I didn't think anybody would act on it... Oops.

So, Mail, why did you vote Wyrm?

 

Maill voted Wyrm because I asked for help in saving Eol. I'm pretty sure neither of us expected emotional allomancy, and particularly not emotional allomancy in the way of saving Eol. I haven't had time to focus on what exactly that means yet since I've been at work all day, and the rollover happened as I was going to sleep.

 

Wilson is correct. Because my suspicion of Eol is a lot lower than my suspicion of Wyrm, I decided it was better to tie it up. That way, we didn't lose someone innocent, and if emotional allomancy got involved, we could try to decide what the Spiked would be doing with that allomancy. I was much more willing to let Wyra die if it came to it, but this way, we got emotional allomancy involved so we can speculate on that, and we didn't lose anyone.

Posted

For me to be a rioter, I would have had to rioted somebody that was also soothed, since everyone's vote except mine is where it should be. I don't think that really works out either, unless I rioted myself or something.

Meta, is there a way to riot someone and lose your own vote without changing theirs?

Posted (edited)

For me to be a rioter, I would have had to rioted somebody that was also soothed, since everyone's vote except mine is where it should be. I don't think that really works out either, unless I rioted myself or something.

Meta, is there a way to riot someone and lose your own vote without changing theirs?

If you riot someone into voting for the person that they already cast their vote for, this would happen. Something like that could happen if the person you targeted with your rioting changed their vote after you PMed meta your riot orders.

Edit: darn mobile phone. :P

Edited by Herowannabe
Posted

I feel like this game would be so much fun as a rioter. Especially if you were spiked or were in a seeker group, you would have tons of influence as far as what goes on. So I guess this means that either myself or somebody else wanted Wyrm dead, although there wouldn't be too much point in me using my power for that if I could just retract my vote the vanilla way.

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Well, right now, I’d just like to get some more comments from the quieter players (you know who you are).  While I understand that many of you have RL reasons for your silence, I’m disinclined to believe that anyone is so busy that they can barely post the entire week.  I’d like some more discussion from them over the weekend.  I don’t think it'll be too difficult to come up with some discussion points, and it could really help us out.

 

The votes are a bit worrisome, as they changed rather quickly after I left.  Perhaps trying to save Eol would’ve been the best thing to do in this scenario, but I don’t think that means that we should just starting voting for people because Wilson or someone else tells us to.  As unlikely as it may seem at this point, I’m not going to completely discount a Eol-Wilson Spiked team going on here.  Perhaps we’re just going to have to see from the next few Night cycles.

 

In the meantime, we’re going to need to collect more information.  I feel that it’s slightly too early for me to start making solid conjectures and arguments against other players, as I’d like to hear more from everyone first.  After all, with all of the players that we have in the game, finding any connections or lack of connections is going to be difficult.  Luckily, we ought to be able to narrow down the number of suspects as the player numbers narrow down during the mid-late game.  But again, that’s still a long ways off and I’d still like some info from the less active players, especially the newer players (as we don’t know your playstyle yet), before eventually delving into super-serious analysis.

Posted (edited)

Well, right now, I’d just like to get some more comments from the quieter players (you know who you are).  While I understand that many of you have RL reasons for your silence, I’m disinclined to believe that anyone is so busy that they can barely post the entire week.  I’d like some more discussion from them over the weekend.  I don’t think it'll be too difficult to come up with some discussion points, and it could really help us out.

 

Well, I'm definitely not busy. I've kept this thread open for the last few days while I've played Dwarf Fortress, and refreshed it every few minutes. I would post more, but I don't have anything to add to the conversation. A lot of you guys seem to base your suspicions on discrepancies in playstyle, and I just don't have that kind of knowledge. Rest assured that I'm posting any decent thing that comes to mind, however.

Edited by mckeedee123
Posted

I'm in a similar situation. I have lots of time to post usually, but I get things said and then click the refresh button every 10 minutes. The only time that I have been lynched was because Wilson is evil and people thought that my playstyle was off, but I don't see too much in that. I don't see myself as having a playstyle and half of the players in this game are in their 1st, 2nd or 3rd games. That's why its a bit frustrating that so many people are so silent. If those people end up being the only ones left then they will struggle to accomplish as much simply because of a lack of communication.

Posted

I don't have time to really respond right now, but I think that I have things to add to the discussion (although I might be overestimating my ability to contribute).

 

I'll write up my thoughts in the morning, but I wanted to respond to the call out (which I think was at least partially directed at me).

Posted
Baron Von Piffertiff stood in shock. 

"Lord Ruler, that escalated quickly." he muttered to himself. The situation in town was getting more stressful every day, and fights like these were becoming more and more frequent. 

The Baron noticed someone in town square looking towards the window the Baron was standing behind. He then realized that he may or may not look slightly creepy just standing there, doing nothing. He raised one hand in a wave. When the villager didn't stop looking, the Baron raised his other hand, in what hopefully looked like a "don't mind me, just looking at people" kind of gesture. 

 

In reality, the villager thought the Baron had just given him malicious jazz hands.

 

---

 

Hello, I'll try to post a bit more, after reading Ren's post. I'll add more game stuff and less RP stuff.

 

I think our number 1 priority should be figuring out who was Soothed/Rioted and who we think did the allomancy.

 


Here's the final voting before the night ended:


(3) Eoladdin- Peng, Aralis, Wyra


(3) Wyra- Wilson, Ashette, Maill


(2) Lord Ostrich- Eoladdin, Herwnybe


(2) Peng- Jain, Lord Ostrich


(1) Ament- Melend


(1) Larry- Senn


(1) Maill- Rent


(1) Jain- Clancy


(10)No Votes- Joe, Dom, Cleo, Newan, Herwynbe, Ament, Damon, Odustren, Riew, Larry


 


And here's the vote count once Night 3 started:


 


(3) Wyra- Wilson, Ashette, Maill


(2) Eoladdin- Peng, Wyra


(2) Peng- Jain, Lord Ostrich


(2) Lord Ostrich- Eoladdin, Herwynbe


(1) Ament- Melend


(1) Larry- Senn


(1) Maill- Rent


(1) Jain- Clancy


(11) No Votes- Joe, Dom, Cleo, Newan, Ament, Damon, Odustren, Riew, Larry, Reeco, Aralis, Baron Von Piffertiff


 


[lovingly copy-pasted, btw]


 


Aralis's vote was removed from Eol and into the no-vote pile. 


Since no other votes were changed, then we can assume that he was Soothed rather than him Rioting someone.


(When people Riot, their vote goes to the No Vote pile, correct?) 


 


Either someone wanted Wyrm dead or someone wanted Eol alive. Based on that, we should be suspicious of Wilson, because he not only voted for Wyrm, but also has been very active in protecting Eol. Any other suspects would be appreciated. 


 


It is also interesting to note that Aralis states that he is in contact with someone who claims to have Soothed Wilson. Assuming this is true, then I theorized a few possibilities: 


Either Aralis Rioted Wilson after Person X Soothed him (seems too complicated, plus nothing would really be gained from that)


Somebody was expecting something like this and Rioted Wilson into his original spot (but I don't know if that's a thing to do)


Wilson is a Smoker (which may or may not make him a target, as Seekers can't determine their alignment)


 


Again, this is based on Aralis both telling the truth and Person X getting their Soothing orders in. Aralis, has Person X said anything about this?


 


 


Big post, compensating for all the others.


If I missed anything, feel free to edit, snip, snap, berate, dismiss, or downright sneer at. With words, although picture messages aren't frowned upon.


Oh, and if anyone wants to join the Baron for tea, his doors are open to people who ask. Well, ask and the Baron says 'yes' to. You can't be too inviting these days.


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