LG112 - Metacycle Six: I'm Not Lagging, You're Lagging

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

LG112 - Metacycle Six: I'm Not Lagging, You're Lagging 

The Shard kept going offline. They'd get it running long enough to do a little investigating, then the Roleplay Characters would take it down again. Luckily, it seemed like the Roleplay Characters were frozen while the site was down.

The mods decided to make a plan.

“When the site next comes on, we need to just start banning like crazy.”

“Who do we even ban? We only have so many shots, we can't waste them on real Sharders.”

Everyone was silent, thinking.

Then one person stepped forward. “We'll only do one shot. We'll hold a vote, whoever has the most votes, we ban.”

Someone started a poll. Votes came in.

“Everyone vote?” Everyone reacted with a thumbs up.

The Unknown Character clicked reveal result.

Coco.pudding 

He typed the command, and as soon as the site came online, he pasted it.

/ban @coco.pudding

~

Coco was executed! They were PseudoIM Roleplay Character

Vote Count:

Coco (6): Slayerman, Araris, Star, Striker, Dive

Slayerman (1): Qian

This cycle will end on Thursday the 16th of June at 11:00 AM Central Time. 

I removed all the Pseudoroles from below, let me know if I accidentally deleted a Metarole

Players:

Spoiler

• @coco.pudding as Coco Roleplay Character PseudoIM
• @Through The Living Star as Star 
• @CoderDrag0n8 as Coder  SE Player Retiree
• @Myst as Mistake  , SE Player Vanilla
• @StrikerEZ as Striker 
• @Qianweilian as Qianweilian 
• @Through the Living Hopper as Hopper SE Player Roleplayer
• @CadCom as Cam SE Player Vanilla 
• @Verdance as Verdance  
•  Roleplay Character PseudoGM
• @TwinStorm as TwinStorm -> replaced by @Divergent
• @Hoid Slayer as Hoid Slayer  
• @___ as Mippo
• @xinoehp512 as Xinoehp512 
• @Araris Valerian as Araris Valerian 
• @|TJ| as TJ SE Player PseudoIM 
• @Kit_Kat as Kit Kat 
• @Questioning Lettuce as Questioning Lettuce 
• @Miss Fallen SE Player Thread Controller

 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Yip yip hooray

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Off the top of my head I’m thinking we exe in Kit Kat/Lettuce/xino today. I’ll need to go back and see if anything from any of them looks suspicious, but Kit Kat stood out with the Verdance thing I think.

[|TJ| he/him]

No kill means that there was a conversion this cycle. Thought there was a chance they might delay it but it appears not. 

I think we should go after the potential Coinshot today and I think that is Qianwellian

ed1t: I will note that giving the elims a pseudoGM AND a starting Coinshot in Xino is also a tad too OP, I might be leaning village by that. And by the fact that they did not use their kill. 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

1 minute ago, |TJ| said:

No kill means that there was a conversion this cycle. Thought there was a chance they might delay it but it appears not. 

I think we should go after the potential Coinshot today and I think that is Qianwellian

Why does no kill mean there was a conversion? Back when I was asking for clarifications, the conversion didn’t take an action, which I’d assume means it doesn’t conflict with the NK. @The Unknown Medallion could you confirm? If this is right, I’d assume that the Elims are inactive to a large degree (not really new info, TBH).

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

25 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

No kill means that there was a conversion this cycle. Thought there was a chance they might delay it but it appears not. 

I think we should go after the potential Coinshot today and I think that is Qianwellian

ed1t: I will note that giving the elims a pseudoGM AND a starting Coinshot in Xino is also a tad too OP, I might be leaning village by that. And by the fact that they did not use their kill. 

Coco was already dead in the pseudogame, right?

So yeah, Qian

[|TJ| he/him]

7 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Coco was already dead in the pseudogame, right?

 

Hmmm? Not sure if you understand my statement or I understand yours. 

I meant that giving them a pseudoGM in Verdance and ALSO giving them Xino who started the pseudo-game as Coinshot is a tad too OP for them. If they changed one of theirs to Coinshot in the very first cycle, they would have 2 Coinshots in the very 2nd cycle which is quite strong. 

ed1t: ahhh nvm you were making sure it couldn't be coco who shot star, got it

Edited 5 hours ago by |TJ|

[Myst He/Him]

Hmmm, yeah, both a GM, and a IM is a lot. I think we should go with Qian today.

Also, to make sure we know there is a mole: Did anyone ever say anything about Star being pseudo Elim? If not then there has to be a pseudo Elim mole. Just want to check to make sure before tomorrow.

We’ve just been assuming there’s a mole and I want to make sure we have some basis for our reasoning 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

Why does no kill mean there was a conversion? Back when I was asking for clarifications, the conversion didn’t take an action, which I’d assume means it doesn’t conflict with the NK. @The Unknown Medallion could you confirm? If this is right, I’d assume that the Elims are inactive to a large degree (not really new info, TBH).

You are correct. The absence of the kill is irrelevant as to whether there was a conversion or not

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Can someone explain Qian to me? I feel like I missed something somewhere.

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Can someone explain Qian to me? I feel like I missed something somewhere.

A coinshot killed Star. That Coinshot is Elim. And after cross referencing the people dead in the meta game with the people alive in the pseudo game, Qian, Mippo, and Dive are the only people who could’ve submitted the coinshot kill.

We took Mippo off because inactivity/they’d been brought up before and dismissed. And then I personally feel like Qian is more Elim than Dive is. 

[|TJ| he/him]

The Coinshot who killed Star could only have been Changed in M-cycle 4 while also being alive in P-cycle 5. The only players who fall under these criteria are Qian, Divergent and Mippo.

It's truly between Qian and Divergent - I find Qian's survival from Star's shot suspicious and feel like they've hidden on Sel the whole game. They also voted for Hoid over Coco last cycle early on when it wasn't clear who unanimous the coco vote would be. 

[|TJ| he/him]

ed1t: huh I wonder if it was just a 3-person team and either they used some PoE to narrow their options to arrive at Star being the pseudo-elim

[|TJ| he/him]

[Star, Hopper, CadCom, Divergent, Mippo, Araris] is the PoE elims would have had if we assume e!Qian. Hmm, I have no idea how they'd go about narrowing that PoE to Star. I guess there had to be a mole then. 

[Myst He/Him]

5 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

[Star, Hopper, CadCom, Divergent, Mippo, Araris] is the PoE elims would have had if we assume e!Qian. Hmm, I have no idea how they'd go about narrowing that PoE to Star. I guess there had to be a mole then. 

And of the Elims: TJ, Star, Xino, Hoid, Lettuce

TJ is hard cleared, Hoid cleared because 2 GMs is way too powerful. And then Star and Lettuce because they didn’t self target. I think the Mole has to be Xino. Furthermore because Star targeted Qian. And E/E doesn’t make sense there as we’re exing Qian with that as some reasoning.

So unless pseudo Elim wants to say that they told someone Star was pseudo Elim, Xino might have to be.

Also. Remember the conversion, we’ll need to watch people who are changing their minds. Though I suppose that we’ll soon be in a situation like that QF where it was just Doc. Hmm

 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 hours ago, Myst said:

A coinshot killed Star. That Coinshot is Elim. And after cross referencing the people dead in the meta game with the people alive in the pseudo game, Qian, Mippo, and Dive are the only people who could’ve submitted the coinshot kill.

We took Mippo off because inactivity/they’d been brought up before and dismissed. And then I personally feel like Qian is more Elim than Dive is. 

That’s what I was missing. Kit Kat Qian.

 

53 minutes ago, Myst said:

Also. Remember the conversion, we’ll need to watch people who are changing their minds. Though I suppose that we’ll soon be in a situation like that QF where it was just Doc. Hmm

If we’ve figured out all the current elims then I’d guess the last one will probably just convert on the way out. Which is gonna make solving functionally impossible . But if not then they probably already used it.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

43 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

If we’ve figured out all the current elims then I’d guess the last one will probably just convert on the way out. Which is gonna make solving functionally impossible . But if not then they probably already used it.

We’ll functionally restart the game, with a single elim

[Araris Valerian he/him]

34 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

We’ll functionally restart the game, with a single elim

If they keep failing to submit the NK, I guess it shouldn’t be too much of a problem.

[Qianweilian He/him]

3 hours ago, |TJ| said:

I find Qian's survival from Star's shot suspicious and feel like they've hidden on Sel the whole game. They also voted for Hoid over Coco last cycle early on when it wasn't clear who unanimous the coco vote would be. 

The reason I first went to Sel is because I picked it at random, because I was panicked after forgetting when rollover was. Wahr proved this be telling us that I hadn't submitted a shardworld until a couple hours before rollover. Wahr edited his message so you can't see it, but it's in the quote I made of it.

I decided to stay at Sel after cycle one revealed a coinshot had killed another coinshot. As I haven't played a game with coinshots before, I was scared of being night killed. This was exacerbated when Hoid revealed I would have been targeted by the pseudo elims had I not been on Sel. It seemed prudent.

I also wouldn't have been able to get investiture to kill Star, as Sel prohibited me from using the action of my role as a shard to get investiture, and stopped someone from giving me investiture as well.

3 hours ago, |TJ| said:

They also voted for Hoid over Coco last cycle early on when it wasn't clear who unanimous the coco vote would be. 

I will mention I did make clear my suspicion of Coco.

2 hours ago, Myst said:

Though I suppose that we’ll soon be in a situation like that QF where it was just Doc. Hmm

That was such a fun game. It was my first, and Doc totally blindsided me, but it was fun.

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, Qianweilian said:

The reason I first went to Sel is because I picked it at random, because I was panicked after forgetting when rollover was. Wahr proved this be telling us that I hadn't submitted a shardworld until a couple hours before rollover. Wahr edited his message so you can't see it, but it's in the quote I made of it.

I decided to stay at Sel after cycle one revealed a coinshot had killed another coinshot. As I haven't played a game with coinshots before, I was scared of being night killed. This was exacerbated when Hoid revealed I would have been targeted by the pseudo elims had I not been on Sel. It seemed prudent.

I also wouldn't have been able to get investiture to kill Star, as Sel prohibited me from using the action of my role as a shard to get investiture, and stopped someone from giving me investiture as well.

I will mention I did make clear my suspicion of Coco.

That was such a fun game. It was my first, and Doc totally blindsided me, but it was fun.

I believe I have it somewhere in a PM I had with Striker about how the investiture requirements only apply to things that need investiture. But even if I’m remembering wrong. Both Ver and Coco were on Sel, it wouldn’t have been hard for them to give you investiture. I’ll go check the PM and edit in the info

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I’ll claim the title of Ghost of Nalthis Past, since I was on Nalthis every pseudocycle but never wrote into the docs. Definitely got swindled by both Striker and coco for my breaths, and never ended up with any investiture of my own.

[Qianweilian He/him]

1 minute ago, Myst said:

I believe I have it somewhere in a PM I had with Striker about how the investiture requirements only apply to things that need investiture. But even if I’m remembering wrong. Both Ver and Coco were on Sel, it wouldn’t have been hard for them to give you investiture. I’ll go check the PM and edit in the info

I tried, but the GMs confirmed to me that pretty much all actions, except for one I forgot, required investiture to actualize, and the defense against actions applied to even those also on Sel.

[|TJ| he/him]

2 hours ago, Myst said:

TJ is hard cleared, Hoid cleared because 2 GMs is way too powerful. And then Star and Lettuce because they didn’t self target. I think the Mole has to be Xino. Furthermore because Star targeted Qian. And E/E doesn’t make sense there as we’re exing Qian with that as some reasoning.

 

I will say this and remind everyone of how pseudo-elim kill worked - 

We need to put down a name in a tabular column in the doc, and only the most voted player got killed. Then one of us actually had to submit the kill action for it to be assigned to us. So it's not as easy as self-targeting. I was kinda dictating the kills until the cycle I got killed. And then if Lettuce is evil, they didn't really have to self-target anyway as they were beoing voted out. 

[Myst He/Him]

5 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I’ll claim the title of Ghost of Nalthis Past, since I was on Nalthis every pseudocycle but never wrote into the docs. Definitely got swindled by both Striker and coco for my breaths, and never ended up with any investiture of my own.

Lol, I only got swindled once. 

also, I just checked the PM that I had and the clarification was that all actions cost one more. And I took that to mean they only cost an extra investiture if they had an investiture cost already. I suppose I could be interpreting that wrong.

4 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I tried, but the GMs confirmed to me that pretty much all actions, except for one I forgot, required investiture to actualize, and the defense against actions applied to even those also on Sel.

Again, just have both Ver and Coco give you investiture and you’re going to get at least 2

2 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

I will say this and remind everyone of how pseudo-elim kill worked - 

We need to put down a name in a tabular column in the doc, and only the most voted player got killed. Then one of us actually had to submit the kill action for it to be assigned to us. So it's not as easy as self-targeting. I was kinda dictating the kills until the cycle I got killed. And then if Lettuce is evil, they didn't really have to self-target anyway as they were beoing voted out. 

Lettuce would’ve had to kill Star though.