LG112 - Metacycle Four: The Hunt For Redtired Modtober

[CadCom he/him]

11 hours ago, Divergent said:

Why is Verdance being voted? 
 

And what does being killed by the Shades mean?

People are voting Verdance because In an earlier cycle Araris fake claimed a scan on Verdance as a joke, and people didn't like how verdance responded. Then To prove his role later, verdance claimed a scan roll. When Verdance scanned, he shared more information than the scan should have given him, so we generally believe it was a lie. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

I don’t like voting Verdance for that incident, it struck me funny then and I feel like it was too long ago

If we exe people like a list we’ve had since cycles ago, it means we aren’t making any new analysis and it means anything the elims are doing now is slipping past us cause we’re still hung up in the past

So yeah I oppose a Verdance exe

I don’t have any other ideas though

My Pseudo-GM turned TJ both times, btw

[Divergent He/Him]

1 hour ago, CadCom said:

People are voting Verdance because In an earlier cycle Araris fake claimed a scan on Verdance as a joke, and people didn't like how verdance responded. Then To prove his role later, verdance claimed a scan roll. When Verdance scanned, he shared more information than the scan should have given him, so we generally believe it was a lie. 

Hmm I remember reading about this in pseudocycle 2 and thinking his reaction was off. What was the scan roll and when did it happen?

[Myst He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Divergent said:

Hmm I remember reading about this in pseudocycle 2 and thinking his reaction was off. What was the scan roll and when did it happen?

He claimed that Striker was a meta village newbie(I don’t remember exactly when this happened) but he can’t have had that information.

retiree only gives role

roleplayer role only gives alingment(with a chance to be wrong if the person also has the role player role)

Striker said that Ver was right about the scan, so we assume Ver’s meta Elim retiree, and claimed Roleplayer role earlier in order to try and save himself from Araris saying he scanned him

[Divergent He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Myst said:

He claimed that Striker was a meta village newbie(I don’t remember exactly when this happened) but he can’t have had that information.

retiree only gives role

roleplayer role only gives alingment(with a chance to be wrong if the person also has the role player role)

Striker said that Ver was right about the scan, so we assume Ver’s meta Elim retiree, and claimed Roleplayer role earlier in order to try and save himself from Araris saying he scanned him

Oh okay yeah, I think I did see that, in Pseudo 3?

And yeah, he was moving weird with Araris too even though he supposedly had said he got a village result

So, is Striker Newbie or not? I'm reading the roles rn and idk if I understand the role correctly, but it says that he loses his life on the fourth cycle and it hasn't happened

Verdance

22 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I don’t like voting Verdance for that incident, it struck me funny then and I feel like it was too long ago

If we exe people like a list we’ve had since cycles ago, it means we aren’t making any new analysis and it means anything the elims are doing now is slipping past us cause we’re still hung up in the past

So yeah I oppose a Verdance exe

I don’t have any other ideas though

My Pseudo-GM turned TJ both times, btw

I do agree with the part about needing new analysis, I feel like the game's been sorta stagnant the past couple cycles and elims are likely slipping by just not really doing much 

But I've also been procrastinating working on reading the rest of the metagame aaa I have started though and I'm mid c1, so I might get that done by the end of this cycle x.x

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Divergent said:

Oh okay yeah, I think I did see that, in Pseudo 3?

And yeah, he was moving weird with Araris too even though he supposedly had said he got a village result

So, is Striker Newbie or not? I'm reading the roles rn and idk if I understand the role correctly, but it says that he loses his life on the fourth cycle and it hasn't happened

Verdance

I mean, this is the 4th meta game cycle, and he hasn’t died here so

[Divergent He/Him]

6 minutes ago, Myst said:

I mean, this is the 4th meta game cycle, and he hasn’t died here so

So Striker lied too about the "scan" being correct and he's a different role?

[Myst He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Divergent said:

So Striker lied too about the "scan" being correct and he's a different role?

What? No, that’s not what I meant. He’s no longer the newbie(if I’m interpreting the rules correctly) but that doesn’t mean he’s lying.

its not like it’s going to be announced what his role changes to.

And he died in the pseudo game not the meta game. And newbie is an extra life in the meta game

[StrikerEZ he/him]

1 hour ago, Divergent said:

So Striker lied too about the "scan" being correct and he's a different role?

You’re misunderstanding the role. I don’t just die after MetaCycle 3, my role just changes from essentially a Thug to a vote manip role.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

4 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I don’t like voting Verdance for that incident, it struck me funny then and I feel like it was too long ago

If we exe people like a list we’ve had since cycles ago, it means we aren’t making any new analysis and it means anything the elims are doing now is slipping past us cause we’re still hung up in the past

So yeah I oppose a Verdance exe

I don’t have any other ideas though

My Pseudo-GM turned TJ both times, btw

Well, you know, I scanned you as a meta-elim last cycle, so we could exe you instead .

I agree in part with your point that going down a list exeing folks isn’t good practice. It’s rough for the folks on the list and makes it hard for other folks to engage. But I think in the case of Verdance there are 2 counterpoints that mean we should exe him. First, his response to my joke was pretty damning. He claimed the exact role/action combination that could make himself look village, and then gave additional information that his claimed role couldn’t provide. Second, if we win the pseudogame, we are going to get 1-2 free flips. If Verdance is actually an elim, we don’t want to waste one of those flips on him.

Additionally, if you don’t want us to exe Verdance, you really need to suggest an alternative. Executions are a valuable resource and executing nobody puts us further from winning.

I do think the inevitability of some of the exes in this game is a bit of a flaw in the game design, but I haven’t been able to think of a minor patch to fix the issue. Once the pseudogame ends we’ll have a similar issue where we just go down the list and execute everyone who got revealed (assuming we win the bet).

[Myst He/Him]

35 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Well, you know, I scanned you as a meta-elim last cycle, so we could exe you instead .

I agree in part with your point that going down a list exeing folks isn’t good practice. It’s rough for the folks on the list and makes it hard for other folks to engage. But I think in the case of Verdance there are 2 counterpoints that mean we should exe him. First, his response to my joke was pretty damning. He claimed the exact role/action combination that could make himself look village, and then gave additional information that his claimed role couldn’t provide. Second, if we win the pseudogame, we are going to get 1-2 free flips. If Verdance is actually an elim, we don’t want to waste one of those flips on him.

Additionally, if you don’t want us to exe Verdance, you really need to suggest an alternative. Executions are a valuable resource and executing nobody puts us further from winning.

I do think the inevitability of some of the exes in this game is a bit of a flaw in the game design, but I haven’t been able to think of a minor patch to fix the issue. Once the pseudogame ends we’ll have a similar issue where we just go down the list and execute everyone who got revealed (assuming we win the bet).

Well, exe either Coco or Ver, I don’t care which

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

23 minutes ago, Myst said:

Well, exe either Coco or Ver, I don’t care which

Waitup Coco's still around?

Coco

59 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Additionally, if you don’t want us to exe Verdance, you really need to suggest an alternative. Executions are a valuable resource and executing nobody puts us further from winning.

I get that, and I do have to admit that I don't really have much better suggestions

I'm voting Coco now cause of the pseudo-GM business, but I guess that is still falling into the same trap I condemned with your Verdance train

Still, if anyone is willing to back a counter-train, here it is, I'd trust my Pseudo-GM with my life

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Is no one noticing that Araris just claimed he scanned Hoid as a MetaElim??? We’re just glossing over that??

[|TJ| he/him]

Ehhh, I think it's sorted of a foregone conclusion that some combination of Verdance, Hoid Slayer, Coco will give you atleast a couple of elims. Conversion is one of their biggest hope. 

Speaking of, kinda glad I got ret. killed because it equals things out and we're still quite balanced in terms of pseudo-game that we think it can still swing both ways.

[Qianweilian He/him]

9 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

I do think the inevitability of some of the exes in this game is a bit of a flaw in the game design, but I haven’t been able to think of a minor patch to fix the issue. Once the pseudogame ends we’ll have a similar issue where we just go down the list and execute everyone who got revealed (assuming we win the bet).

Tbf, I doubt the GMs expected the pseudoGMs to hand out steel allomancy like candy.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

7 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Is no one noticing that Araris just claimed he scanned Hoid as a MetaElim??? We’re just glossing over that??

Bruh are we being serious right now

[Myst He/Him]

8 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

Is no one noticing that Araris just claimed he scanned Hoid as a MetaElim??? We’re just glossing over that??

Did you not remember that when Araris was joking about Ver he said he didn’t even know there was a scanning role?

Its obviously a joke(I’m actually sure this time)

so yes, we are, because Araris isn’t being serious 

15 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Bruh are we being serious right now

 

[Kit_Kat She/Her]

Verdance

[xinoehp512 he/him]

Bacon woke up.

Then he yawned and went back to sleep.

"No!" exclaimed an exasperated voice. "You can't sleep now!"

But Bacon did just that.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Cycle closed. Rollover might take a little bit because I'm at a wrestling camp, but it still should be fairly prompt