StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Damn. Rip Verdance, but you kind of fell for that hook, line, and sinker. The counterclaim to scanning Araris as clean is like, so just trying to lay confusion, it’s almost too perfect of an elim reaction. I say almost because I’m still fairly confident you’re elim.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Okay, actually, just to make sure I don’t handicap us in the MetaGame: Verdance. @The Unknown Medallion @Through the living Wahr in case this gets merged
coco.pudding she/they Posted June 1 Posted June 1 2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Okay, actually, just to make sure I don’t handicap us in the MetaGame: Verdance. @The Unknown Medallion @Through the living Wahr in case this gets merged Why?
Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 4 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: Why? The vote minimum to exe a player in a Metacycle equals the amount of votes on the Player that was executed the previous pseudocycle. 1
coco.pudding she/they Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, Through the living Wahr said: The vote minimum to exe a player in a Metacycle equals the amount of votes on the Player that was executed the previous pseudocycle. Oh I forgot that’s a thing thanks should I also remove my vote?
Mystic He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 44 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: Oh I forgot that’s a thing thanks should I also remove my vote? Honestly maybe, but not yet, we have plenty of time before rollover to make decisions
coco.pudding she/they Posted June 1 Posted June 1 14 minutes ago, Myst said: Honestly maybe, but not yet, we have plenty of time before rollover to make decisions Okay yeah I’ll check on it again tomorrow was just thinking it’s a good idea to keep the number of votes low like striker said although with this one ig numbers probably won’t be an issue
Mystic He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, coco.pudding said: although with this one ig numbers probably won’t be an issue Ehh, it depends on how confident the Elims are in that people won’t come on to vote. Like, if I was M!Elim and was either confident or another Elim teammate active, I can totally see a Strat where you just come clean as M!Elim’s and make it so no one can vote out people in the meta game by making the vote requirements to high Do I think that’s gonna happen? No, but you never know
coco.pudding she/they Posted June 1 Posted June 1 10 minutes ago, Myst said: Ehh, it depends on how confident the Elims are in that people won’t come on to vote. Like, if I was M!Elim and was either confident or another Elim teammate active, I can totally see a Strat where you just come clean as M!Elim’s and make it so no one can vote out people in the meta game by making the vote requirements to high Do I think that’s gonna happen? No, but you never know That’s…really devious And yeah ig that could be a viable strategy…until we exe all of them in the pseudogame where there isn’t a vote requirement
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 6 hours ago, Kit_Kat said: You seem suspicious… Care to elaborate? Also I guess we’re going Verdance for now I still express interest in taking out Qian and/or Coco
Qianweilian He/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Okay. If no one votes otherwise, I think we should be mostly safe from vote manip unless there's a ton of seekers and rioters. If we have any copperclouds, shield someone who's voting for Verdance. We'll need 4 votes in the meta game (as far as I'm reading the rules), but I think we can mostly agree it should be Verdance.
|TJ| he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 I'm on board with ME!Verdance, I do think that they failed Araris' reaction test wholly. I would prefer if we exe someone else though because I don't like the idea of exe'ing someone b2b and we need to exe them in the meta-cycle. Another thing, there is a Pseudo-GM in the game and they changed my role to Tineye. I am leaning towards this being evil motivation. It seems like they are going around and seemingly nerfing roles but also intending to keep communications open in case they die in both the games. Yet another thing, I have had a claim that Myst is a Village Coinshot. If Myst is the third Coinshot, I heavily lean towards Myst killing Xino (over Coder lying about not killing), in which case I would be very interesting in learning why Myst did not claim the kill if there was village intention in it. It would also mean that the chances of presence of meta-elim in pseudo-elim increases significantly. Perhaps they have a Pseudo-IM as well because they hit a presumably MV!PE!Coinshot and I was a Seeker before they nerfed my role (or they are tremendously lucky). I'm okay voting out Myst because we get to validate the claim and if it is correct, we would be voting out a pseudo-villager which is good if we are continuing the assumption that they bet on village victory. It would also reduce the control and kill-power they have if Myst is meta-elim.
Kit_Kat She/Her Posted June 1 Posted June 1 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: Care to elaborate? I think you know too much, but I could be wrong. 3 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: Also I guess we’re going Verdance for now Seems reasonable to vote for Verdance Edited June 1 by Kit_Kat
Araris Valerian he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 3 hours ago, |TJ| said: I'm on board with ME!Verdance, I do think that they failed Araris' reaction test wholly. I would prefer if we exe someone else though because I don't like the idea of exe'ing someone b2b and we need to exe them in the meta-cycle. Another thing, there is a Pseudo-GM in the game and they changed my role to Tineye. I am leaning towards this being evil motivation. It seems like they are going around and seemingly nerfing roles but also intending to keep communications open in case they die in both the games. Yet another thing, I have had a claim that Myst is a Village Coinshot. If Myst is the third Coinshot, I heavily lean towards Myst killing Xino (over Coder lying about not killing), in which case I would be very interesting in learning why Myst did not claim the kill if there was village intention in it. It would also mean that the chances of presence of meta-elim in pseudo-elim increases significantly. Perhaps they have a Pseudo-IM as well because they hit a presumably MV!PE!Coinshot and I was a Seeker before they nerfed my role (or they are tremendously lucky). I'm okay voting out Myst because we get to validate the claim and if it is correct, we would be voting out a pseudo-villager which is good if we are continuing the assumption that they bet on village victory. It would also reduce the control and kill-power they have if Myst is meta-elim. The thing with Verdance has me thinking that Myst is more likely a meta-villager than not (either that or the elim doc communication has seriously broken down). Also, I'm not really sure what's wrong exeing people back to back. It certainly adds a lot more sting to the pseudo-exe if we have a pattern of following it up with a matching meta-exe. Is Seeker that useful of a role? I'm still kinda surprised we haven't just had someone post a list of the elims yet, TBH. Also, for the folks worried about getting too many votes this turn, I don't really think that should be a main concern, if we're all largely convinced that Verdance is a meta-elim and thus a shoe-in for the next cycle execution.
Mystic He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 (edited) 4 hours ago, |TJ| said: I don't like the idea of exe'ing someone b2b and we need to exe them in the meta-cycle. If Ver is M!elim(which I think we all can agree he is), then there is no reason whatsoever to not exe him in the pseudo game. The less control the meta Elims have over the pseudo game the better. 4 hours ago, |TJ| said: I'm on board with ME!Verdance, I do think that they failed Araris' reaction test wholly. I would prefer if we exe someone else though because I don't like the idea of exe'ing someone b2b and we need to exe them in the meta-cycle. Another thing, there is a Pseudo-GM in the game and they changed my role to Tineye. I am leaning towards this being evil motivation. It seems like they are going around and seemingly nerfing roles but also intending to keep communications open in case they die in both the games. Yet another thing, I have had a claim that Myst is a Village Coinshot. If Myst is the third Coinshot, I heavily lean towards Myst killing Xino (over Coder lying about not killing), in which case I would be very interesting in learning why Myst did not claim the kill if there was village intention in it. It would also mean that the chances of presence of meta-elim in pseudo-elim increases significantly. Perhaps they have a Pseudo-IM as well because they hit a presumably MV!PE!Coinshot and I was a Seeker before they nerfed my role (or they are tremendously lucky). I'm okay voting out Myst because we get to validate the claim and if it is correct, we would be voting out a pseudo-villager which is good if we are continuing the assumption that they bet on village victory. It would also reduce the control and kill-power they have if Myst is meta-elim. Okay, so, I know my role, and I haven’t told anyone my role the only two possible ways someone could even claim to know my role without lying is if they’re seeker(and scanned me) or are the IM. And based on the rest of your post you really imply that the person is a seeker. Especially since you say the claim is a village(I’m assuming you mean Psuedo villager and not meta villager) coinshot rather than just a coinshot. So first off I find it really weird that you don’t want to exe a M!elim, and you happen to have the perfect other target(a pseudo villager who has a NK who people have shown that they’re willing to vote) In the case that the person who claimed to you is correct, why would you exe me? If I’m meta villager I’d want to keep me in order to help swing the game if needed. If I’m meta village you should exe me but that’s not what you seem to think, and again, we have another Elim to exe right now, so unless you can prove I’m an Elim better than Ver, why would you vote me? If the person is wrong about the claim, then you should probably vote them. Why would they lie to you after all?* I’m sure there are some reasons, but regardless in that case you shouldn’t vote me. Again, not much I can say against the claim other than it’s only half right. Whoever is telling you this is wrong, and is not for sure Elim, but is someone you should look at. edit: apparently this isn’t clear enough: I am not a coinshot Edited June 1 by Myst
|TJ| he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 54 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Also, I'm not really sure what's wrong exeing people back to back. It certainly adds a lot more sting to the pseudo-exe if we have a pattern of following it up with a matching meta-exe. There's nothing wrong from a PtV PoV, but it would have the tendency to make the game quite boring, repetitive and quite frankly, it would stifle discussion if we just walked exe-to-exe. No one would feel enthused to pop in here to discuss anything if the exe is already a foregone conclusion. 52 minutes ago, Myst said: And based on the rest of your post you really imply that the person is a seeker. Especially since you say the claim is a village(I’m assuming you mean Psuedo villager and not meta villager) coinshot rather than just a coinshot. I do not like the fact that you tried to analyse the source of the claim first. If that is your immediate reaction, it is elim-leaning, I'm sorry. 54 minutes ago, Myst said: So first off I find it really weird that you don’t want to exe a M!elim, and you happen to have the perfect other target(a pseudo villager who has a NK who people have shown that they’re willing to vote) Would you rather I hold the info? Especially when we do not know who killed Xino and the fact the we exe'd Coder because of it?? And I have given you reasons why I do not want to exe Verdance. In addition, they do not have much of a thread-presence and our aim is to kill any p-villager, that's it. 1 hour ago, Myst said: In the case that the person who claimed to you is correct, why would you exe me? If I’m meta villager I’d want to keep me in order to help swing the game if needed. If I’m meta village you should exe me but that’s not what you seem to think, and again, we have another Elim to exe right now, so unless you can prove I’m an Elim better than Ver, why would you vote me? Because it would mean you lied by omission and used it to get Coder exe'd. If there is claim going that Coder should be killed because he might have killed Xino, and if you've killed Xino, I absolutely think you should have come forward and claimed the kill. 1 hour ago, Myst said: Again, not much I can say against the claim other than it’s only half right. Whoever is telling you this is wrong, and is not for sure Elim, but is someone you should look at. How can it be half right? The claim is that you are (pseudo) Village Coinshot. Either you are or you aren't. The fact that you could have killed Xino is my deduction. And in fact, I'm pretty sure everyone would agree with me that if you are a Coinshot, the likelihood that you killed Xino is way higher than the likelihood Coder killed him (Coder who was way less involved with the game that you were). The only way of me to verify the claimant's info is to kill you, and that is only possible in Pseudo-cycles. If you are not a Coinshot, I don't have a strong reason to ME-read you, and we can prevent you getting mis-exed in the meta-cycle (which is more important). This is the best pseudo-cycle to test this because Verdant's meta-exe seems to be all but confirmed and nothing extra really comes from their pseudo-exe.
coco.pudding she/they Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Myst said: edit: apparently this isn’t clear enough: I am not a coinshot If you’re not a coinshot, what is your role?
Araris Valerian he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 12 minutes ago, |TJ| said: There's nothing wrong from a PtV PoV, but it would have the tendency to make the game quite boring, repetitive and quite frankly, it would stifle discussion if we just walked exe-to-exe. No one would feel enthused to pop in here to discuss anything if the exe is already a foregone conclusion. That's a good point. I'm also a bit baffled at Myst's reaction here. Getting exed in this game doesn't really mean much, unless you are a Coinshot/Lurcher. Maybe we would be better off if someone Coinshot or elim-killed Verdance, and we exe Myst instead.
|TJ| he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Myst said: edit: apparently this isn’t clear enough: I am not a coinshot I didn't see this edit. This only makes it more confusing, how is the claim half-right then?? do you just mean that you are p-village lol?
Verdance he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 53 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: That's a good point. I'm also a bit baffled at Myst's reaction here. Getting exed in this game doesn't really mean much, unless you are a Coinshot/Lurcher. Maybe we would be better off if someone Coinshot or elim-killed Verdance, and we exe Myst instead. Explain to me why you are changing your vote here. If you actually scanned me and saw that i am an elim, why would you not then vote against me this makes zero sense to me and seems increasingly suspicious
___ He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, Verdance said: Explain to me why you are changing your vote here. If you actually scanned me and saw that i am an elim, why would you not then vote against me this makes zero sense to me and seems increasingly suspicious Well remember this is the pseudogame Like araris said we could just have a coinshot or elim or smth exe you, presuming they're not m-elims, and spend our time on trying to find other elims Though ofc arais could be lying But then your reactions don't make sense
Verdance he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, ___ said: Well remember this is the pseudogame Like araris said we could just have a coinshot or elim or smth exe you, presuming they're not m-elims, and spend our time on trying to find other elims Though ofc arais could be lying But then your reactions don't make sense Counterpoint- my reactions never make sense
Through the Living Hopper He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 I missed all of last meta-cycle and probably will most of this cycle (traveling and vacation stuff), but from what I've gathered the double train on Coder seemed weird and I'll focus my attention on the people who started it. For now, my vote is still on Myst.
Mystic He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, coco.pudding said: If you’re not a coinshot, what is your role? Lurcher 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: I didn't see this edit. This only makes it more confusing, how is the claim half-right then?? do you just mean that you are p-village lol? Yeah, there were two parts of the claim, that I was coinshot and that I was pseudo village. Half right. 1 hour ago, |TJ| said: There's nothing wrong from a PtV PoV, but it would have the tendency to make the game quite boring, repetitive and quite frankly, it would stifle discussion if we just walked exe-to-exe. No one would feel enthused to pop in here to discuss anything if the exe is already a foregone conclusion. I do not like the fact that you tried to analyse the source of the claim first. If that is your immediate reaction, it is elim-leaning, I'm sorry. Would you rather I hold the info? Especially when we do not know who killed Xino and the fact the we exe'd Coder because of it?? And I have given you reasons why I do not want to exe Verdance. In addition, they do not have much of a thread-presence and our aim is to kill any p-villager, that's it. Because it would mean you lied by omission and used it to get Coder exe'd. If there is claim going that Coder should be killed because he might have killed Xino, and if you've killed Xino, I absolutely think you should have come forward and claimed the kill. How can it be half right? The claim is that you are (pseudo) Village Coinshot. Either you are or you aren't. The fact that you could have killed Xino is my deduction. And in fact, I'm pretty sure everyone would agree with me that if you are a Coinshot, the likelihood that you killed Xino is way higher than the likelihood Coder killed him (Coder who was way less involved with the game that you were). The only way of me to verify the claimant's info is to kill you, and that is only possible in Pseudo-cycles. If you are not a Coinshot, I don't have a strong reason to ME-read you, and we can prevent you getting mis-exed in the meta-cycle (which is more important). This is the best pseudo-cycle to test this because Verdant's meta-exe seems to be all but confirmed and nothing extra really comes from their pseudo-exe. What else can I say? As I said, the source is wrong, which means that either you’re lying or the person you’re talking to is lying. And no, you should share the info, I just find it suspicious that it happens to be what it is, as well as the timing. I’ve said multiple times that I didn’t want to exe Coder. The only reason I voted him was to make sure we had 3 votes and an exe was happening. Also, your reason for not voting Ver is the exact same as my reason for not wanting to vote Coder, you can’t say you don’t want to vote Ver and then be suspicious of me for having the same reasoning the previous cycle Again, half right because I’m a Pseudo Village Lurcher Nothing extra from Ver’s pseudo exe?? May I remind you that he’s Meta Elim, and the less Meta Elim’s in the game the better? I’d argue that voting Ver(an almost confirmed meta Elim who is also probably pseudo village(if he isn’t an Elim should’ve said so by now)) is a better use of an exe 11 minutes ago, Through the Living Hopper said: I missed all of last meta-cycle and probably will most of this cycle (traveling and vacation stuff), but from what I've gathered the double train on Coder seemed weird and I'll focus my attention on the people who started it. For now, my vote is still on Myst. Didn’t start the train in the meta cycle but okay. Anyways, since people are voting me/going away from voting Ver, Verdance
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