Mystic He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said: That's a good point. I'm also a bit baffled at Myst's reaction here. Getting exed in this game doesn't really mean much, unless you are a Coinshot/Lurcher. Maybe we would be better off if someone Coinshot or elim-killed Verdance, and we exe Myst instead. I like my role here more than I do my Meta role, this one’s more useful btw. Also, again, claim of Lurcher(not claiming my meta role) Oh, and if it helps verify, I protected Striker C1. Im probably going to protect myself tonight though, unless someone has a better argument for someone else
|TJ| he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, Myst said: Nothing extra from Ver’s pseudo exe?? May I remind you that he’s Meta Elim, and the less Meta Elim’s in the game the better? I’d argue that voting Ver(an almost confirmed meta Elim who is also probably pseudo village(if he isn’t an Elim should’ve said so by now)) is a better use of an exe Nope, I'm sorry but clearly either you or the claimant is evil. We have to exe you this pseudo-cycle before giving the potential E!PseudoGM a chance to change your role and hence frame the claimer, to check the veracity of their claim accurately. We can exe Ver in the next pseudo-cycle if we need to, if we think they are as outed as we think they are. 10 minutes ago, Myst said: Im probably going to protect myself tonight though, unless someone has a better argument for someone else Again, this doesn't make sense? Why would you waste your Lurch in that case? You'd be one of the last options for a kill this cycle.
Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 VC: Myst (4) Qian, TJ, Araris, Hopper Verdance (4): Hoid, Coco, Myst, Kit Kat Araris (2): mippo, Verdance
Verdance he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 I don’t see the need to exe Myst like at all Araris claiming my role tho
Mystic He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, |TJ| said: Nope, I'm sorry but clearly either you or the claimant is evil. We have to exe you this pseudo-cycle before giving the potential E!PseudoGM a chance to change your role and hence frame the claimer, to check the veracity of their claim accurately. We can exe Ver in the next pseudo-cycle if we need to, if we think they are as outed as we think they are Well, unless you want to share who the seeker is? And you’re either losing a Coinshot(if I’m lying) or a Lurcher(if you’re seeker is lying) either way that’s an important role. (Yes I’m assuming I’m meta village) Why Ver then? The same is true of me, you can exe anyone next cycle. I’m saying you should exe the almost confirmed meta Elim now You’re trading an almost guaranteed meta Elim exe for a maybe(at best, a straight up no from my point of view) again, how does that make sense 3 minutes ago, Verdance said: I don’t see the need to exe Myst Not sure if this is gonna get me exed(a meta Elim saying I’m clear) or not(yall are gonna assume he’s causing chaos and clear me) 7 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Again, this doesn't make sense? Why would you waste your Lurch in that case? You'd be one of the last options for a kill this cycle. True enough. Who would you rather I protect then?
Verdance he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Myst said: Well, unless you want to share who the seeker is? And you’re either losing a Coinshot(if I’m lying) or a Lurcher(if you’re seeker is lying) either way that’s an important role. (Yes I’m assuming I’m meta village) Why Ver then? The same is true of me, you can exe anyone next cycle. I’m saying you should exe the almost confirmed meta Elim now You’re trading an almost guaranteed meta Elim exe for a maybe(at best, a straight up no from my point of view) again, how does that make sense Not sure if this is gonna get me exed(a meta Elim saying I’m clear) or not(yall are gonna assume he’s causing chaos and clear me) No actually your above logic no one has posited that Araris is lying also???
Mystic He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Verdance said: No actually your above logic no one has posited that Araris is lying also??? No, he’s confirmed village. If you’re meta village, you said he was clear. If you’re meta Elim, he just got his teammate exed for no reason whatsoever
___ He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, Myst said: No, he’s confirmed village. If you’re meta village, you said he was clear. If you’re meta Elim, he just got his teammate exed for no reason whatsoever Why?? I still don't understand that
Qianweilian He/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, ___ said: Why?? I still don't understand that Essentially, Verdance has essentially vouched for Araris. If Verdance is good, then it's very likely Araris is as well. If Verdance is bad, then Araris just stabbed his teammate in the back.
___ He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, Qianweilian said: Essentially, Verdance has essentially vouched for Araris. If Verdance is good, then it's very likely Araris is as well. If Verdance is bad, then Araris just stabbed his teammate in the back. But there's still that second case Idk it doesn't feel that simple
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 26 minutes ago, Myst said: Oh, and if it helps verify, I protected Striker C1. I can at least attest to the fact that, on PC1, Myst claimed to have a better use for their action than the one I was proposing. And I can confirm they were not on Scadrial, so it wasn’t the elim kill at least. 1 minute ago, Qianweilian said: Essentially, Verdance has essentially vouched for Araris. If Verdance is good, then it's very likely Araris is as well. If Verdance is bad, then Araris just stabbed his teammate in the back. Araris doing that isn’t impossible. Us older folks do like to perform gambits and generally cause chaos. It would imply that things went poorly for them in PC1, though, if they were willing to perform a desperate play like that. So I don’t really buy it. At this point, I think Araris’s and Verdance’s alignments are opposite. Maybe they’re both villagers and one of them is confused about something, but I doubt that. I’m fine leaving the vote where it is for now.
Qianweilian He/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Araris doing that isn’t impossible. Us older folks do like to perform gambits and generally cause chaos. It would imply that things went poorly for them in PC1, though, if they were willing to perform a desperate play like that. So I don’t really buy it. At this point, I think Araris’s and Verdance’s alignments are opposite. Maybe they’re both villagers and one of them is confused about something, but I doubt that. I suppose. If I were elim, I'd be far too nervous to try something like that, but I suppose it could work.
CadCom he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 22 hours ago, Hoid Slayer said: CadCom votes Myst, says they will explain later - @CadCom care to explain now? I did indeed promise to do so. So I just did a re-read, and I don't remember what part of Myst's logic I didn't like prior to their vote for themselves. I remember that I didn't like the "My best interest"phrasing. If the meta-game is the game we really want to win, the best thing would be to keep as many villagers in that game as possible. (Of course, trying to win the pseudo-game is also important) I got very E/E vibes off the whole Myst/Hoid interaction that caused Myst to return to voting Coder too. Which I thought even before the discussion of said event occurred earlier in this thread. Re-reading Meta-day 1, I'm more suspicious of ___ But I can't tell whether I'm suspicious of them in the meta-game or the pseudo game. Nor do I know what I should do with that suspicion, except monitor it for now. I clearly need to re-read the rules, which I haven't fully read since the game started. BRB OK I'm back. Ok. So My thoughts are with the pseudo cycle going first, the discussion in the metacycle were focused on the results of the pseudocycle. And therefore exing someone in the metacycle for their behavior in the pseudo-cycle should be based off whether we can reasonably assume that the actions or behavior are errant enough from normal play to warrant believing they are either trying to throw the game for their respective side. Unfortunately we don't know their relevant side in the pseudogame from any reveal in the meta. I think we reasonably need a meta-elim to die to determine how it appeared they were acting in the pseudogame before we can guess how they all want the Pseudo game to go. Ok. I think after thinking through that, which everyone else has probably already thought through at this point (Curse my late start) I am going to temporarily go back to my vote on Myst. As I believe their language of "My best interest" indicates they may be pseudo village, but meta-elim. That puts @Hoid Slayeras a possible meta-elim team mate, and keeping notice on @___ as someone I'm suspicious of. Pre-post edit: (I haven't actually posted yet) I just realized We are in a pseudo-cycle, and last cycle was a meta-cycle. This is so confusing keeping track of cycles. That means maybe Myst is a pseudo-elim, but a Meta-villager. So clearing them as a meta-villager is good for their pseudo wincon. (somehow, even though it isn't good for their real win-con of the meta game. I see the flaw, in my logic, please don't point it out.) Ok, with that, if we are in a pseudo-cycle, and since I still don't know the meta-elim prediction, nor how the village and elims have been performing over the last few years (Has red or green been overperforming, or has it been fairly even?)@anyone?) I think the best interest for the village would be to try to win the pseudo-game, allowing us to move on to just the metagame quicker maybe? So with that, My analysis stays the same, oops Myst. Weird how my logic moves me back to the same person, but for completely different reasons, and on a completely different phase of the game. Hoidslayer, I'm still suspicious of you as being a potential team mate. I hope you don't mind being put on notice of someone so insubstantial and so far inactive. (Is it ironic that your nickname in SE is just Hoid, whereas your full username is Hoidslayer, indicating the intent to kill hoid, indicating you are not Hoid? But it would also be a very Hoid-esque thing to do to feign being your own would-be assassin)
|TJ| he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 19 minutes ago, Myst said: Well, unless you want to share who the seeker is? Nope, there's no point before your flip. 20 minutes ago, Myst said: And you’re either losing a Coinshot(if I’m lying) or a Lurcher(if you’re seeker is lying) either way that’s an important role. (Yes I’m assuming I’m meta village) What? You flipping Coinshot would not be losing an important role at all because it would mean you lied about your role and you lied about not killing Xino which means that you are close to conf. meta evil. 13 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: I can at least attest to the fact that, on PC1, Myst claimed to have a better use for their action than the one I was proposing. And I can confirm they were not on Scadrial, so it wasn’t the elim kill at least. To add to my point, meta-elim pseudo-village Coinshot shooting someone is also most definitely a better use for their action than anything you could have proposed :P. 32 minutes ago, |TJ| said: Nope, I'm sorry but clearly either you or the claimant is evil. We have to exe you this pseudo-cycle before giving the potential E!PseudoGM a chance to change your role and hence frame the claimer, to check the veracity of their claim accurately. Guys, this is my biggest point. We can exe Verdance any time we want, but we have to exe Myst NOW because one of Myst/claimer is lying and is evil, and the only way to figure out who is lying is this cycle before PseudoGM muddies the water by changing roles. We exe Myst - if Myst flips Coinshot, he is meta-evil; if he's Lurcher then claimer is evil and Myst is conf. meta-village. He would be un-exeable in the meta-game. So pretending to not see or understand this is very suspicious. Verdance will always be there, because their suspicion is not attached to their role, Myst's is.
Qianweilian He/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, |TJ| said: To add to my point, meta-elim pseudo-village Coinshot shooting someone is also most definitely a better use for their action than anything you could have proposed :P. Honestly, I'm glad we caught this. A melim coinshot would be very scary. Also, GMs, I just got an idea for future games. Instead of having two layers, meta and pseudo, we play with three, the meta-game (possibly on the shard or the internet as a whole), the pseudogame, and the mockgame.
Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 2 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: Also, GMs, I just got an idea for future games. Instead of having two layers, meta and pseudo, we play with three, the meta-game (possibly on the shard or the internet as a whole), the pseudogame, and the mockgame. Why? Why would you want that, is the confusion of having two Games not enough for you? Why do you want a third one? 1
Qianweilian He/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 4 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: Why? Why would you want that, is the confusion of having two Games not enough for you? Why do you want a third one? Well, I didn't say it was a good idea... 1
___ He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 23 minutes ago, CadCom said: Re-reading Meta-day 1, I'm more suspicious of ___ But I can't tell whether I'm suspicious of them in the meta-game or the pseudo game. Nor do I know what I should do with that suspicion, except monitor it for now. Why are you suspicious?
CadCom he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Verdance said: Explain to me why you are changing your vote here. If you actually scanned me and saw that i am an elim, why would you not then vote against me this makes zero sense to me and seems increasingly suspicious 50 minutes ago, Verdance said: I don’t see the need to exe Myst like at all Araris claiming my role tho 44 minutes ago, Verdance said: No actually your above logic no one has posited that Araris is lying also??? I think you missed that Araris was just making that claim as a joke, as indicated in this post 14 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: Alright, joke's gone on long enough. I'm not a Roleplayer (I don't really know the metagame roles, so I didn't even know there was an alignment scan in the metagame). I was just a bit bothered that Verdance was asking what was going on when there were only 1.5 pages of stuff to read. Buuuut, I'm not really enthused with his reaction to my claim. I mean, what are the odds that he's in the exact scenario to mechanically deal with my fake-claim (and picked me to scan, of all people)? Furthermore, the delay on his ultimate claim response makes me suspicious its something that came from a doc. So my vote is gonna stick, at least for now. I can also verify my role, if it becomes necessary to show that I am not a Roleplayer. They did not intend to claim roleplayer, and instead they were just mildly bothered by not catching up. The train since that point has been based on your counter-claim of scanning Araris Back, and also being a roleplayer, and confused they came up clean. On that note I guess I should discuss the trains going on today. The verdance train is definitely worth considering, and with enough convincing, I could change my vote there, depending on what happens with the Myst train. When I started writing my post, I was not aware that a mist train had started. The votes for Araris are not currently in my wheelhouse. You know how some players you subconsciously before the game even starts decide whether they're elim or village, and then tunnel them with that alignment for the whole game. I think I've subconscously put araris as a v/v this game, so I might need more evidence than normal to change my mind. (This DEFINITELY ISN'T Me Pocketing Araris, so we're all clear. An e/Cadcom would never dare to pocket Araris, an experienced player) 3 minutes ago, ___ said: Why are you suspicious? You gonna make me re-read MC1 again? If you insist I will refresh my mind (since I didn't take notes, my bad) But I just was, OK? I'll probably re-read and decide my suspicions were unwarranted or forgotten, like originally happened with Myst, before I changed my mind and voted for them again anyways. 11 minutes ago, Qianweilian said: Honestly, I'm glad we caught this. A melim coinshot would be very scary. Also, GMs, I just got an idea for future games. Instead of having two layers, meta and pseudo, we play with three, the meta-game (possibly on the shard or the internet as a whole), the pseudogame, and the mockgame. Why stop there? What about an IRL level, and a Real-life cognitive/spiritual level, assuming some sort of afterlife indeed occurs. It could be a 4-layer game, with a potential 5th should those that lose IRL learn of the existence of a real-life dead-doc)
___ He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 2 minutes ago, CadCom said: You gonna make me re-read MC1 again? If you insist I will refresh my mind (since I didn't take notes, my bad) But I just was, OK? I'll probably re-read and decide my suspicions were unwarranted or forgotten, like originally happened with Myst, before I changed my mind and voted for them again anyways. Fine Actually very real
Verdance he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, CadCom said: I think you missed that Araris was just making that claim as a joke, as indicated in this post They did not intend to claim roleplayer, and instead they were just mildly bothered by not catching up. The train since that point has been based on your counter-claim of scanning Araris Back, and also being a roleplayer, and confused they came up clean. On that note I guess I should discuss the trains going on today. The verdance train is definitely worth considering, and with enough convincing, I could change my vote there, depending on what happens with the Myst train. When I started writing my post, I was not aware that a mist train had started. The votes for Araris are not currently in my wheelhouse. You know how some players you subconsciously before the game even starts decide whether they're elim or village, and then tunnel them with that alignment for the whole game. I think I've subconscously put araris as a v/v this game, so I might need more evidence than normal to change my mind. (This DEFINITELY ISN'T Me Pocketing Araris, so we're all clear. An e/Cadcom would never dare to pocket Araris, an experienced player) You gonna make me re-read MC1 again? If you insist I will refresh my mind (since I didn't take notes, my bad) But I just was, OK? I'll probably re-read and decide my suspicions were unwarranted or forgotten, like originally happened with Myst, before I changed my mind and voted for them again anyways. Why stop there? What about an IRL level, and a Real-life cognitive/spiritual level, assuming some sort of afterlife indeed occurs. It could be a 4-layer game, with a potential 5th should those that lose IRL learn of the existence of a real-life dead-doc) Oh okay thank you for clearing that up now im irritated though because i revealed my role for no reason Araris
Qianweilian He/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 14 minutes ago, CadCom said: Why stop there? What about an IRL level, and a Real-life cognitive/spiritual level, assuming some sort of afterlife indeed occurs. It could be a 4-layer game, with a potential 5th should those that lose IRL learn of the existence of a real-life dead-doc) what is now pseudo, what is now meta, the 17th shard, Brandon's fandom, the Internet, irl, outside the matrix
Verdance he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Verdance posits that there are infinite layers of reality, supporting random chance in the microcosm and explaining random acts of fate. He sips an energy drink and pretends he knows what he is saying. He is very good at pretending he knows what he is saying.
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 2 hours ago, Verdance said: Explain to me why you are changing your vote here. If you actually scanned me and saw that i am an elim, why would you not then vote against me this makes zero sense to me and seems increasingly suspicious What the flip Verdance are you meta elim or not? Yk that if you’re meta-villager there is no way for him to be serious right Guys I’ve only skimmed but I don’t like the train on Myst at all, and as I said earlier, I do have private reason to trust him - although I am beginning to doubt it
Verdance he/him Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said: What the flip Verdance are you meta elim or not? Yk that if you’re meta-villager there is no way for him to be serious right Guys I’ve only skimmed but I don’t like the train on Myst at all, and as I said earlier, I do have private reason to trust him - although I am beginning to doubt it I think I should only sign up for games that I can fully understand otherwise i will play for the elim team whether i like it or not no i dont thank you for informing me *shrug* i continue to have no reason to vote Myst
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