Long Game 110: Termina Abandoned (A Majora's Mask Mafia Adventure)

[Mystic He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

 Burnt. Obviously.

 

Really? Why? In your opinion, why did a Burnt/Hael/Drake/<Coco|Twin|Mist> team surrender the game?

 

Mist seems extremely unlikely to me, given the voluntary surrender. If the elim team contains Mist, we would have lost the Loop and thus the game if they'd just NKed someone.

 

I had Romani. The plan was to get myself exed on D3 and reduce us to 5 total dead, meaning we only needed one dead elim. But Aman eventually came down on the side that that wouldn't work, and I would have been counted as dead for the Boss Mask.

 

Hey, how do you do this "Next Page"/"Previous Page" thing? It's super cool, and is probably useful for someone who tends to write way to many words per post.  

 

Having a sensible explanation for your actions doesn't make you village. Doc's actions also make perfect sense in an e!Doc world. I'm not saying Doc HAS to be an elim, but I think you might be putting too much weight on the fact that v!Doc "makes sense". The question we should be asking is, does e!Doc NOT make sense?

That said, I agree with Stick over Drake, so that's fine for now, at least. I'm less committed to Coco over Twin, but that's the last exe, so I have time to review before then.

 

I know you said you're doing a full writeup on your preferred team, but can you give me a sneak preview on why you're so confident in e!Twin over e!Coco? That pair seems hazy at best to me.

 

In point of fact, he only volunteered that the list existed. It was only after I pushed for it that he actually produced the list. I noted it as odd at the time but mostly ignored it.

According to this hypothesis, absolutely everything went to plan for the elims D3C; they wanted Stick exed. Why, then, the sudden surrender? You think Doc's mask claim is THAT damning, that the entire elim team agreed it was impossible to win anymore because of it?

Pretty much yeah, everything was going their way till Doc claimed. Stick would’ve been exed and they would’ve been able to win.

Doc claiming Hael was Elim ruins that. My theorizing requires Hael to not be exed at the tiebreaker. Doc completely undermines that 

I just established how we would exe the same people loop 4 as loop 3. Resulting in us winning the loop, if they didn’t NK burnt, we’d just vote Burnt for the Tiebreaker, but suddenly we had reasons to vote Hael, and they decided that they we’re screwed, and they might as well concede 

Edit: you’re right about me putting a bit too much faith into Doc’s actions “making sense” but I will say I don’t think his actions make sense as an Elim. Unless you think he purposely threw the loop? And the game?

Edited March 18 by Mistfallen Soldier

[Amanuensis he/him]

Players will be executed and flipped upon reaching 10 votes.
 

• (7/10) Burnt: Mistfallen, Archer, Hael, Divergent, TUM, Drake, Wonko, 
• (1/10) Mistfallen: Burnt, 

However, I am heading to bed so you might not see a flip until the morning if 10 is reached.

[Wahrheitswächter He/Him]

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

Elims essentially surrendered, so it's a Village victory either way. I mostly figured this would be a more fun way to end things rather than just flipping everyone now. This is really just a minigame to decide if the village wins extra  giving y'all an out removes the stakes imo

If we have won either way then thats good, otherwise I would have been very unhappy that the elims get a better shot at Victor After already surrendering.

So Burnt is obvious, also I dont think that the question of e!Doc/Hael is that important, more important I would say is the Question v!Coco/Twin

I am fairly certain of e!Stick because if its not e!Stick you would have e!Heal and e!Drake and I cannot See why they would surrender After D3C was going exactly like planned they loose it on purpose and throw us of for loop 4, ensuring they win it and we loose the Game.

I personally would lean e!Burnt/Stick/Coco/Doc we exed Coco Being reasonably sure that she is elim to prevent her from getting Stone. 

With the recent Developments I do not trust Doc anymore, I have to note that I roleblocked him and there was no NK this Cycle (could simply be the elims saw no point in submitting one when they were going to surrender anyway or I actually blocked it.

[|TJ| he/him]

I'll catch up later but Burnt and yeah e!Stick -> v!Coco so it's e!Doc 

Burnt/Twin/Stick/Doc 

[Mystic He/Him]

6 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

I'll catch up later but Burnt and yeah e!Stick -> v!Coco so it's e!Doc 

Burnt/Twin/Stick/Doc 

So… why did doc throw the loop then?

[|TJ| he/him]

12 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

So… why did doc throw the loop then?

Doc hoped we'd vote out Hael and they'd win the Loop and the game. 

[Mystic He/Him]

14 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Doc hoped we'd vote out Hael and they'd win the Loop and the game. 

That doesn’t make sense though, he never once advocated for or against voting stick(that I remember) just voting Hael.

Furthermore, your proposed Elim team is Burnt/Twin/Stick/Doc, yet only Doc voted for Hael. Burnt’s didn’t matter, but Stick voted herself, which doesn’t match your Elim team as supposedly she’d vote Hael

plus, here, if she kept her vote on Hael, Hael would’ve had the most votes

Edit: which supports my theory of E!Hael and E!Stick trying to sacrifice Stick so Hael has village cred for loop 4

Edited March 18 by Mistfallen Soldier

[|TJ| he/him]

4 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

plus, here, if she kept her vote on Hael, Hael would’ve had the most votes

Uhhhh she who? As far as I can see, both Stick and Doc are voting Hael. 

[Divergent He/Him]

1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Alright. The Elim team I believe happening is Burnt/Stick/Hael/Coco

This was what I was thinking the previous cycle, but I'll prob re-eval if that's the team that makes the most sense

 

[|TJ| he/him]

7 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Edit: which supports my theory of E!Hael and E!Stick trying to sacrifice Stick so Hael has village cred for loop 4

I think they were just trying to win the game in Loop 3 itself. There were no contingencies. E!Hael cannot sacrifice e!Stick deliberately as the movement came from Drake. 

And I don't think Coco/Stick works at all. 

[Mystic He/Him]

8 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Uhhhh she who? As far as I can see, both Stick and Doc are voting Hael. 

It seems I linked the wrong post, my bad. But here: 

the VC shows Stick voting for herself.

Edit: in response to your post right before this one:

Yeah, I think he had to. If he didn’t share. We were going to Vote him out because of Ash, and then we’d hear from Drake loop 5 and know both Hael and Stick are Elims. I don’t think this was deliberate planning, just the best thing out of what they had.

Which is why I’m looking into whether Burnt/Hael/Stick/Twin is viable 

 

Edited March 18 by Mistfallen Soldier

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Im just going to point out, I failed to max my rupees last night, broke my streak, and now im set to die.

 

I think yall should listen to the owl.

[Mystic He/Him]

Just now, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Im just going to point out, I failed to max my rupees last night, broke my streak, and now im set to die.

 

I think yall should listen to the owl.

Ah, that’s sad, Aman didn’t rupee PMs tonight, otherwise I’d be at 22 right now. But it seems I need to keep my streak up then. Though considering I’m 90% sure I have the most posts on every single thread. I’m actually curious about whether I am now, I’m gonna go check. Also. Before you die, mind sharing the names of your teammates?

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

1 minute ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Ah, that’s sad, Aman didn’t rupee PMs tonight, otherwise I’d be at 22 right now. But it seems I need to keep my streak up then. Though considering I’m 90% sure I have the most posts on every single thread. I’m actually curious about whether I am now, I’m gonna go check. Also. Before you die, mind sharing the names of your teammates?

Now that's just spoiling the fun! You can solve this! I believe in you! 

 

Ngl i did have fun with meeting rupee max. Was a fun challenge, even if I should've probably stressed and focused more about getting you killed than making sure I finished my rp

 

Also @Ashbringer apologies i dont think cindra is the best choice to teach cooking, as much as shed have loved that but i hope makazi finds a responsible person to teach baking that is a little less problematic

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I’m in the “elims were trying to win L3” camp. That’s how they ended up in what they felt to be an unwinnable scenario. If they were playing for L4 then we’d probably be playing L4 right now. Burnt/Doc/Stick/Twinstorm seems reasonable to me. I’m holding off on my vote so that we don’t accelerate the executions, but if I see folks wanting to move forward in the morning I’ll go ahead and vote for Burnt.

[|TJ| he/him]

33 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

the VC shows Stick voting for herself.

 

HUH. The VC seems to be the result of a Keaton Mask. 

On 3/17/2026 at 3:14 AM, Amanuensis said:

• (8) Stick: Hael, TUM, Wonko, Araris, TJ, Divergent, Archer, Stick, 
• (3) Hael:  Doc, Wahrheit, Mistfallen, 

Aman, confirmation that this VC is correct, please? 

Because if you go back and check, Stick never votes on herself. 

[Mystic He/Him]

Alright, my post counts each day, with Rankings. I got max rupees each loop though. Cause I want to know how much I’ve continued here

Spoiler

D1A Second with 14, Aman beat me by 6

N1A Second with 11, Aman beat me by 2

D2A First with 24

N2A Tied with Wonko for second. 7 Posts, Dive beat me by 1

D3A First with 15

N3A Second with 10, Aman beat me by 3

D1B First with 36

N1B First with 13

D2B First with 15

N2B Second with 6. Ash and Coco tied with 7

D3B First with 16

N3B 10 posts (There wasn’t a summary so idk if I got first or not)

D1C First with 40

N1C First with 37

D2C First with 26

N2C Second with 13, Aman beat me by 3

D3C First with 42

N3C 9 posts, once again no summary

Well… that’s a lot. I’ve posted a total of 344 time for this game(not including this thread) I think it’s safe to say I’m winning 

For more data that doesn’t help us but I find interesting. There’s been a total of 1,851 posts in total(including Aman)(but not counting this thread) which means I’ve posted about 18.5% of all posts in this game

Edited March 18 by Mistfallen Soldier

[Ashbringer he/him]

1 hour ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Hey, how do you do this "Next Page"/"Previous Page" thing? It's super cool, and is probably useful for someone who tends to write way to many words per post.  

 

The third button ("Page") on the left! I think its functionality changed at some point, it used to make a somewhat nonfunctional line as a page break, but now it does this, which is kinda handy... especially if you're me and have technically 5 RP characters at once 

22 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

Ngl i did have fun with meeting rupee max. Was a fun challenge, even if I should've probably stressed and focused more about getting you killed than making sure I finished my rp

 

Also @Ashbringer apologies i dont think cindra is the best choice to teach cooking, as much as shed have loved that but i hope makazi finds a responsible person to teach baking that is a little less problematic

Oi, Dingo here, RP is definitely more important than winning Elim Games

And I was wondering if you got that part about Makazi!

... I was also wondering why you NKed me N1 and then pinged me randomly D2 

 

anyway, speaking of Dingo

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

When this loop began, Cindra had laid in her bed a few extra minutes. Her hands felt her face, tracing the edge where the mask had sat. She closed her eyes with a long exhale. She had heard the conversations before, she knew her actions with this mask had betrayed the trust of the others. She would have no influence today, this she was sure of. And she would not be able to afford the same security she had obtained with the mask. Another long exhale. She stood. She took her time to tidy her space and make herself a tea with the careful touch and finality of someone who felt in her heart that she would not be returning here. Her fingertips rested on her treasured music books piled around her room, a soft smile on her face. She picked up her flute, and left.

In the Happy Masks Salesman's shop she stood quietly. After his declaration she was not surprised to see everyone's eyes turn to her. At least they can see me now. She thought with mild amusement.

There was one set of eyes not on her. Thistle.... Her heart ached with a pang of regret as her gaze lingered on her friend. Those flower crowns were never going to happen. This thought hit Cindra with such a strong feeling of grief. The thought held such finality. There had been so many extra chances they'd all recieved over these days.

She took out her flute and gently placed it down on the counter.

Cindra would have no more chances.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

17 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

First off, he shared who PMed who loop one and volunteered that information. He did not need to do that, and since Wonko(the loop 2 postmaster) got NKed, we wouldn’t have discovered that was possible till loop 3(if a Elim didn’t get it)

So he's village because he did something he didn't have to do? I'm sorry but I don't think that distinguishes elims from villagers.

Can you spell out to me how evil Doc sharing this information harms the elims, or otherwise doesn't make sense? Bear in mind that 1) Doc could slip in some fake PM connections between elims to strengthen his teams overall position, 2) he gets to appear helpful by sharing the information, and 3) he was asked to share the information and it would look a little odd if he refused.

32 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Second, his activity loop 3 matches what he was doing and indicates knowing exactly what would happen D3(something he could not have known, Elim or not). Basically, he gave an excuse for not going for Stone. Which isn’t alignment indicative, either side would do that if they could get a silver mask.

However, He PMed Wahr and TUM, and Ash(but Ash died so we don’t care about that). That means that this had foresight(not exactly alignment indicative but it makes is less likely as Elim) Using that PM, he set up a way to communicate with Wahr and TUM and used that to say Hael was village before Hael claimed Captains, meaning he had no way of knowing Stick was outed, or anything like that. He committed to Hael being Elim before knowing anything so it couldn’t have been reacting to him calling out Stick. Further proof to me that Doc’s not Elim

Is it not alignment indicative, or is it less likely to come from an elim? Pick a lane

The village doesn't have a monopoly on foresight. The fact that the operation was planned ahead has very little bearing on Doc's alignment as far as I'm concerned.

I do agree that the foresight means Doc's claim cannot have been originally invented to contest Hael's scan result against Stick.

 

In any case, I certainly don't think we can assert that elims would inherently be less likely to claim scan results compared to villagers. Burnt already did exactly that. Furthermore, such an elim playstyle is heavily encouraged in this ruleset, since there are no flips.

The existence of the claim does not seem especially indicative to me. It is the contents of the claim that I take exception with.

All the scan establishes is that one of Doc or Hael must be evil. The scan itself does not tell us which. We must use other evidence to sort that out.

 

I will beat this dead horse for as long as it takes. Even if y'all have forgotten about the first loop, or you've decided it's no longer relevant for some reason, Hael looks quite village from Day 3A. The elims committed hard to pushing for a win on that loop, then absolutely everyone shrugged when Hael was up for execution for most of the day. I cannot explain this to a satisfactory degree if Hael is evil. You are welcome to try and explain it yourself. If you can explain the events of that day to my satisfaction, that would be reasonably convincing to me. Just telling me that I'm putting too much faith in this inference is not convincing to me though  That's just brushing aside evidence that doesn't agree with your worldview and I don't think that's the road to enlightenment. As it stands, I genuinely believe that this alone is a sufficient reason to execute Doc over Hael and not lose any sleep about it.

On the other hand, I do not think any such reason exists to village read Doc, which is actually remarkable considering he's been more active than Hael and has been quite strategic with his rupees earnings. You would expect him to be commensurately more readable as village, but he isn't, as far as I'm concerned. I was already converging on Doc as an elim just from the suspect pool of 6, because I think there are stronger reasons to village read other members. A pool of just <Hael, Doc> makes the job easier.

It has also been stated multiple times throughout the game that the elims must have good thread control. While Hael did step up yesterday, I think it's fair to say he did it out of necessity, not because he wanted to be in that position. I believe Doc fits the thread controller profile better than Hael.

I also personally believe the elims have been very intentional with managing rupees. Burnt's play with the Stone Mask supports this. The fact that they mostly avoided killing confirmed players during the second loop also supports this: it's strictly worse for the elims in terms of what information is revealed, but it's better for them in terms of controlling the rupees. However, there's no point in denying rupees to some dead villagers unless the elims are wealthy enough to capitalize on it. Again, Hael doesn't really fit that profile, while Doc does.

There is also the fact that Hael relayed all of my information truthfully, but more on that later.

1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Also, we know he had the rupees for this.

What does that have to do with his alignment?

I don't even think we do know that, not for sure, but the above question is the important one.

1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

He also knew that we would block him during the night for it. Revealing that he had a silver mask, basically shuts down any use of having a rez.

I'm not sure he did, when he first made the claim. At the time everyone was voting against Hael. It certainly wasn't obvious to me that popular sentiment would be against Doc, and I think he's hella evil.

More to the point, we've already agreed that Doc's claim was prepared ahead of time, so he had to claim that day regardless. Unless you believe the elims accurately predicted for the roleblock considerations multiple turns in advance. I don't.

2 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Fake revealing a scan on Hael would’ve cost them the loop, basically.

If Hael is village, then it very nearly didn't. Hael very nearly got executed, and that's the opposite of costing them the loop.

I'm absolutely certain on the other hand that revealing a green scan on Hael would cost them the loop. Because the only sane course for the village at that point would be executing Stick, who is evil.

And those were really his only 2 options. Again, he set this up ahead of time. He had promised a scan result on Hael, and he had to deliver.

2 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

however, we still need to explain Hael representing the Dead doc accurately. My simple solution, he knew they were going to lose. D3, we went in with the plan to exe Hael. But you claimed that Stick was Elim, and if Hael didn’t share that info, that was pretty much outing two Elims instead of one if he shared the information. So he said that Drake knew Stick NKed him. Sacrificing Stick, but ensuring his own safety, until Doc spoke up, that is. They were going to lose if we exed Hael, so he sacrificed stick, another Elim, making it so we still won, but giving Hael a lot of village cred.

Maybe, but unless you think there were already 2 dead elims, they could have literally won the entire game by voting off a villager, no need to worry about the next loop. Seems pretty fatalistic to start throwing the loop because you might lose it, when ultimate victory is so close. I don't really think that's the mindset of the elim team that refuses to throw and goes for the win on Loop 1 even though it's riskier. I don't really think that's the mindset of the elim team that comes up with Burnt faking a scan on you in order to aggressively push for an L3 win, either.

And fundamentally, either we think that helping get Stick voted out is legitimately worth village cred, or it isn't. If it's legitimately worth village cred, then Hael legitimately deserves village cred, full stop. You don't get to say "well then Hael must be EVIL, because evils want village cred, so doing villagery things is EVIL." Yes it's possible, but it isn't probable. We have to assume that on average, helping the village is a thing that villagers do more often and more substantially than elims.

[Mystic He/Him]

2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

So he's village because he did something he didn't have to do? I'm sorry but I don't think that distinguishes elims from villagers.

Can you spell out to me how evil Doc sharing this information harms the elims, or otherwise doesn't make sense? Bear in mind that 1) Doc could slip in some fake PM connections between elims to strengthen his teams overall position, 2) he gets to appear helpful by sharing the information, and 3) he was asked to share the information and it would look a little odd if he refused.

10 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Is it not alignment indicative, or is it less likely to come from an elim? Pick a lane

The village doesn't have a monopoly on foresight. The fact that the operation was planned ahead has very little bearing on Doc's alignment as far as I'm concerned.

I do agree that the foresight means Doc's claim cannot have been originally invented to contest Hael's scan result against Stick.

Elims benefit from the village lacking information 

1. he couldn’t have messed with them too much. If he messed with any PM involving a villager, that villager could just call him out on it. That best he could do is make Burnt seem like she PMed Stick instead of another Elim, which doesn’t seem like something to be worried about

2. Yeah, but so does sharing that he had the postman’s hat, I don’t think that this is anything extra

3. he didn’t have to say he had the information, he did that himself, so it wouldn’t have been weird because he would’ve never brought it up.

What he did leans village to me, but I would still say it’s not enough by itself to base anything on, so both, if that makes sense

Your right, the village doesn’t have talk at monopoly, but everything I’ve seen seems to suggest that a Elim Doc would’ve had to guess Hael was going to be a problem D3C, and that he’d have to protect Stick, which we both agree isn’t what’s happening

(I’ll reply to the rest later but my downtime is about to turn on)

[Ashbringer he/him]

53 minutes ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

In the Happy Masks Salesman's shop she stood quietly. After his declaration she was not surprised to see everyone's eyes turn to her. At least they can see me now. She thought with mild amusement.

There was one set of eyes not on her. Thistle.... Her heart ached with a pang of regret as her gaze lingered on her friend. Those flower crowns were never going to happen. This thought hit Cindra with such a strong feeling of grief. The thought held such finality. There had been so many extra chances they'd all recieved over these days.

She took out her flute and gently placed it down on the counter.

Cindra would have no more chances.

Rashe’s fingers rested lightly on the counter, then crawled over the flute, rolling and weighing the instrument with some care.

”I’ve read stories of the types of civilizations that use blowdarts. Effective if you can’t be seen, enough to get close. I’ve even heard of some who use simple winds to hold and shoot darts, then carry on their tune.”

Rashe didn’t look at Cindra. He didn’t need to, not even for appearances. Even if part of him was stretching the depths of his memory, mimicking some long-lost conversation. Was the heft right? It was a true flute, which would make a difficult dartgun… but with a thin enough bolt, it was possible…

But that wasn’t really what mattered, was it?

Rashe turned to Cindra. Flute in one hand, sword in the other.

Technically, he didn’t know what the Happy Mask Salesman intended with his former compatriots. But they’d tried to kill his daughter, and they’d succeeding in killing Rashe. Several times. People earned worse fates for better. And the old part of him, the part that was AraRaash at his beginning, was eager to deal out fate.

But that wasn’t really what mattered, was it?

”I cannot fault trying to wake from a nightmare, but every choice you make can cause… damage. What choice were you making that night? Was that dart meant for Ap? For me? For someone else?” 

Rashe’s eyes flickered. Coliver hadn’t reacted to it. He wondered how much she knew. What he’d done, and why. And what he may still do. Too much. She knew, and it was too much. Hopefully she would handle what more she had to say.

His eyes finally met Cindra’s, weighing the objects and their meanings.

”And what choice do you make now?”

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Elims benefit from the village lacking information 

1. he couldn’t have messed with them too much. If he messed with any PM involving a villager, that villager could just call him out on it. That best he could do is make Burnt seem like she PMed Stick instead of another Elim, which doesn’t seem like something to be worried about

Okay but the point of the information, the reason why Wonko was interested in it in the first place, was because players that PMed each other weren't as likely to be elim teammates.

If Doc can fake the existence of PMs between elim teammates, even if he can't fake any other kind of PM, that still completely invalidates the thing that made the data useful.

The elims benefit from the village lacking information, but they benefit even more from the village having incorrect information.

I'll also note that my analysis of Doc's info suggested that Burnt was village. She was not. This isn't hard proof he fudged the data, but it doesn't inspire confidence either. (Edit: also, if y'all were working from incorrect info about how many PMs Burnt had, that is one plausible explanation for why y'all predicted Burnt couldn't afford the Stone Mask when in reality she could. She was supposedly only a few rupees short, so if she paid slightly less for PMs than Doc reported, that explains it. I tend to think "a teammate bought the Mask of Scents" is also a very plausible explanation, but if you're in the camp that Burnt didn't lie about being the one to buy the Mask of Scents, then Doc committing fraud on her behalf is probably the next best explanation for what was going on there.)

And never sharing any information has risks of its own for an elim.

1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

2. Yeah, but so does sharing that he had the postman’s hat, I don’t think that this is anything extra

well, if it's not anything extra, then Doc doesn't deserve any extra village cred for it! 

1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

3. he didn’t have to say he had the information, he did that himself, so it wouldn’t have been weird because he would’ve never brought it up.

And if he never revealed the postmaster had the capability, if a villager ever got their hands on that 5 rupee mask, they'd wonder why not. He still didn't volunteer the maybe actually useful part on his own, though.

Anyways, it's like the averages thing I was saying before. I do think villagers are more likely to share more useful bits of true information more often than elims, on average. If Doc had shared more information, and if we could verify that more of it was true, then maybe I'd agree with you that he deserves real village cred for it. But sharing a single piece of info and one that I don't even particularly believe is true doesn't rly earn any brownie points from me.

edit2: to sharpen the point a little, did any of Doc's info help us execute an elim?

because Hael's info resulted in executing an elim. And considering how hard it was to get Stick voted out I don't rly think the elims wanted it to happen. That's what we're comparing against.

if Doc should be read as village for sharing some info that didn't really go anywhere to the best of my knowledge, then Hael should be village read even more strongly

and if the information Hael provided yesterday isn't worth trusting him about, then Doc sharing the PM info probably isn't worth talking about

unless there's something more that differentiates the two cases, as far as "sharing useful info with the village" goes, Hael's got Doc beat. That's my two cents anyhow.

1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

What he did leans village to me, but I would still say it’s not enough by itself to base anything on, so both, if that makes sense

Your right, the village doesn’t have talk at monopoly, but everything I’ve seen seems to suggest that a Elim Doc would’ve had to guess Hael was going to be a problem D3C, and that he’d have to protect Stick, which we both agree isn’t what’s happening

(I’ll reply to the rest later but my downtime is about to turn on)

Perhaps you feel everything you've seen points to that, but we have a problem, because I don't feel that way at all about anything I've seen. If you want this line of thought to be transmissible to me, you're going to have to be more specific.

If I'm being more forceful than I usually would be, I'm sorry. Probably a side-effect of being sidelined in the dead doc yesterday, and wanting so badly to be able to intervene at certain points in time  I'm not sure we'll converge on believing the same (hopefully correct) things about who the elims are but we can both try at least

Edited March 18 by DrakeMarshall

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Spoiler

^My life this game lol

Also i had forgotten that there was an actual owl in the games. 

[Wahrheitswächter He/Him]

Wahi sat in the Shop of the Mask Salesman, together with the others, he had seen most of them around during the previous 3 loops. The Mask Salesman was a Member of the Dreamers or a former Member? There People amongst them that had Sabotaged them worked with the Demon Majora, ans now they were going to find them before they could sabotage their attempt at the last Mask. Wahi hoped that none of the People that he had gotten close to were traitors.