Haelbarde he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 It does feel like we may as well get easiest one out of the way. Apologies Burnt.
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 Players will be executed and flipped upon reaching 10 votes: (3/10) Burnt: Mistfallen, Archer, Hael,
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 15 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: No one was removed. Link's Zealots won Gyorg's Mask. @coco.pudding, @Ashbringer, @TwinStorm, @DrakeMarshall, and @Stick. have been resurrected. When a player reaches 10 votes, I will flip them immediately. NGL, I forgot for the second time that I wasn't dead last loop and was confused when looking at the list. 2
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Dead doc dead doc dead doc!  I mean. mistfallen still reckon you killed someone or something
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 In terms of other candidates for execution, I think we are agreed on Drake/Stick and Doc/Hael. This means that we have: Villagers: Ash, Wahr, TUM, Archer, Wonko, Divergent, TJ, Araris Elims: Burnt / <Doc/Hael> / <Stick/Drake> / <Coco/Mist/Twin> The only person I am 100% certain of is evil in those pairs is Doc. Stick was certainly the better decision than me last round, and I would tend to believe Drake but I cannot be certain. I admit to remaining confused about Coco, Mist and Twin. Mist has had some very weird interactions, particularly at the end of last cycle, while looking at past executions Coco doesn't necessarily look great. Seeing as the masks are no longer in play, would people be open to claiming what masks they had, and what actions they took, if relevant? I said this in the dead doc last night, but I had the Don Gero mask during loop 2 - no one targeted me with anything that entire loop. I guess I'd be particularly interested in where the Bunny, Scents, and Romani masks ended up last loop, as I don't think there were claims in thread regarding that, and they were definitely purchased D1.
Mystic He/Him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 (edited) I had gibdo, and I think we should go Burnt Hael Coco Edit: or stick @DrakeMarshall did you have Don Gero and did you see stick? Edited March 18 by Mistfallen Soldier
The Unknown Character he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 51 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: You only get 3 chances, so choose wisely. Wouldn't we get 4 normally, so long as 2 out of the first 3 are e? Burnt I'm comfortable assuming it's not a Drake/Hael team, as the elims said they wish to concede this night and not the previous one/they had a real chance before they killed Drake. If Doc/Drake e/e, there's no reason to say Hael is e. Either say he's v and exe v!Stick or say you went rogue and scanned someone else v or e or scanned Stick e coincidentally, really he could do anything else and it would make infinitely more sense That means there isn't a logical world where Drake is e, meaning Stick is e. Mist isn't relevant because we won the loop, that means that it's actually two of (Coco, Twin, Stick) and the last elim is either Doc or Hael Now here's where my own feelings come in, though I think they're fairly factual If the team is Stick/Hael, I don't think he relays the dead doc's message until he comes under more direct fire. He claimed before a vote was even on him. If it's Stick/Doc on the other hand, his actions make sense. Potentially because of timezones, potentially not, he doesn't claim until after Hael and particularly after people believe Hael. Theoretically a better play might be saying he scanned Drake as e, but that could have cast suspicion on him for being a loose cannon and makes sense as to why it was not chosen. Mechanically, I lean more towards e!Doc mechanically but more towards e!Hael tonally In conclusion, I think we exe Stick next. Then we need to decide which of (Coco, Twin, Doc, Hael) we're more confident in, especially if we don't get that leeway exe that we would normally have. Could people reiterate why we exed Twin? I don't remember the reasonings that cycle very well.
Mystic He/Him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said: Wouldn't we get 4 normally, so long as 2 out of the first 3 are e? Burnt I'm comfortable assuming it's not a Drake/Hael team, as the elims said they wish to concede this night and not the previous one/they had a real chance before they killed Drake. If Doc/Drake e/e, there's no reason to say Hael is e. Either say he's v and exe v!Stick or say you went rogue and scanned someone else v or e or scanned Stick e coincidentally, really he could do anything else and it would make infinitely more sense That means there isn't a logical world where Drake is e, meaning Stick is e. Mist isn't relevant because we won the loop, that means that it's actually two of (Coco, Twin, Stick) and the last elim is either Doc or Hael Now here's where my own feelings come in, though I think they're fairly factual If the team is Stick/Hael, I don't think he relays the dead doc's message until he comes under more direct fire. He claimed before a vote was even on him. If it's Stick/Doc on the other hand, his actions make sense. Potentially because of timezones, potentially not, he doesn't claim until after Hael and particularly after people believe Hael. Theoretically a better play might be saying he scanned Drake as e, but that could have cast suspicion on him for being a loose cannon and makes sense as to why it was not chosen. Mechanically, I lean more towards e!Doc mechanically but more towards e!Hael tonally In conclusion, I think we exe Stick next. Then we need to decide which of (Coco, Twin, Doc, Hael) we're more confident in, especially if we don't get that leeway exe that we would normally have. Could people reiterate why we exed Twin? I don't remember the reasonings that cycle very well. Nope; this is special, we have to hit all three Agreed on Stick. I want to go coco or Hael last. we exed twin because it was either Twin or Hael. We got those two based on Ash’s plan because we knew there was at least one Elim in that group three Elims alive, one is burnt. Leaves me, doc, Hael, twin, and coco. We narrowed it down to being an Elim in Twin/Hael. Edit: Ash did assume E!Coco and V!Doc, which I agree with Edited March 18 by Mistfallen Soldier
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Coliver's knees were starting to buckle. It wasn't the revelation of the Dreamers. She'd put that together. If not motivations, that someone present here had arranged for the events of these past few three days. She'd put that together as soon as she'd come back to life from having her heart ripped from her chest the second time. No, something else was becoming apparent. She'd lived. She'd survived... and yet she wasn't sure she'd deserved it. Because Rashe died, and some last sliver of Coliver broke with it. She'd survived. Stood on the sidelines. When the Zora were in danger... her people... she stood back. It made sense. Heroically throwing herself into a swarm of ghosts that had just decapitated the Happy Mask Salesman who had led them here would have been stupid, right? That wouldn't leave her alive very long. But then again, neither would throwing herself in between Ap and a barrage of light arrows. It had been Rashe and the other spirits, somehow, who had stopped the pirates. He'd been looking at her. Why had he been looking at her? She hadn't died. She hadn't found something revolutionary, she hadn't saved Ap... and they'd won the Mask. Without her. Coliver didn't even think she'd heard the song that night; Makazi didn't seem to remember. Rashe told her to live. Coliver didn't think what she'd done was what he meant. She couldn't do this again. She couldn't. Rashe's knees did not buckle. It wasn't the death. He was used to that. Even dying and having what spirit he had act as a strange anti-Pirate defense mechanism wasn't... entirely unheard of. But this... this room, this accusation, this acquisition... That he knew. That he knew far too well. Rashe stretched out his hand, and his glowing sword faded into existence. "I do hope I won't need this. But," he paused. "It does seem the proper time?" 1
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 I am free! y'all had me pretty worried there time to open the loop with a celebratory Mistfallen vote
Mystic He/Him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 1 minute ago, DrakeMarshall said: I am free! y'all had me pretty worried there time to open the loop with a celebratory Mistfallen vote So… did you get NKed by Stick?
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 Players will be executed and flipped upon reaching 10 votes: (5/10) Burnt: Mistfallen, Archer, Hael, Divergent, TUM, (2/10) Mistfallen: Burnt, Drake,Â
The Unknown Character he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 1 minute ago, Amanuensis said: Players will be executed and flipped upon reaching 10 votes: (5/10) Burnt: Mistfallen, Archer, Hael, Divergent, TUM, (2/10) Mistfallen: Burnt, Drake, Did you see my question? 26 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said: Wouldn't we get 4 normally, so long as 2 out of the first 3 are e? Â
Mystic He/Him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 1 minute ago, The Unknown Medallion said: Did you see my question?  It was stated in the write-up 1 hour ago, Amanuensis said: In order for Link’s Zealots to win, 3 Minions of Mischief must be executed. Â
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 (edited) 17 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said: Did you see my question? I saw it, yes Elims essentially surrendered, so it's a Village victory either way. I mostly figured this would be a more fun way to end things rather than just flipping everyone now. This is really just a minigame to decide if the village wins extra  giving y'all an out removes the stakes imo Edited March 18 by Amanuensis
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Just now, Mistfallen Soldier said: So… did you get NKed by Stick? the reports of my death are greatly exaggerated but Stick did stab me yes I'm pretty confident at this point that the elim team is Burnt, Stick, Doc, and TwinStorm I'd accept swapping out TwinStorm with Coco, but imo it's really just TwinStorm. We only need 3 in any case so it's kinda moot. I have a great deal of respect for how the elims played this game, but I am not planning on pulling my punches for the finale. do masks exist in this final day inverted?
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 Just now, DrakeMarshall said: do masks exist in this final day inverted? No. Only power is your vote
Mystic He/Him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 1 minute ago, DrakeMarshall said: the reports of my death are greatly exaggerated but Stick did stab me yes I'm pretty confident at this point that the elim team is Burnt, Stick, Doc, and TwinStorm I'd accept swapping out TwinStorm with Coco, but imo it's really just TwinStorm. We only need 3 in any case so it's kinda moot. I have a great deal of respect for how the elims played this game, but I am not planning on pulling my punches for the finale. do masks exist in this final day inverted? Okay, how well would you say Hael represented the dead doc?
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Sensible. If they did I would have suggested going for Doc, but in that case, Burnt. Just now, Mistfallen Soldier said: Okay, how well would you say Hael represented the dead doc? Quite well. I am relieved he got through to you all in the end.
Mystic He/Him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Sensible. If they did I would have suggested going for Doc, but in that case, Burnt. Quite well. I am relieved he got through to you all in the end. I’ll be honest, I want to trust doc. Everything he’s said explaining his actions makes sense to me, even now. Which makes me want to avoid the question entirely. How do you feel about going Burnt, then Stick, and then Coco
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 (edited) I do think that, looking back at Wonko's colour coded team spreads from the end of D3-C, I would be more inclined to believe Mist is village, and focus on just Coco/Twin in that last slot. In a Burnt / Doc / Stick world, the weirdest execution to me is Loop 2 Day 3: Quote (3) Stick: coco, Doc, Burnt, (3) coco: Wahrheit, Mistfallen, Ashbringer, (1) Mistfallen: Stick, But I want to dig through it in a bit more detail to try and makes sense of things. Multiple people claimed Blast Mask the night before, and just before the turn ended, Archer claimed Bremn and volunteers to target Araris to set off the Bomb Mask. This probably doesn't affect the elim's night kill of Drake, but could well affect their plans for D3/N3. The dead are are TJ, Wonko, Drake, Divergent, leaving 12 players alive. Blast Maks presumably happens, so that'll leave 10 players. The execution in mandatory, so we're ending the loop with 8 or 9 players. Based on Burnt / <Doc/Hael> / <Stick/Drake> / <Mist/Coco/Twin>, there is only one player who could be a dead elim. The possible outcomes then are: 4:4 5:4 5:3 6:3 (Note: 6:2 and 7:2 are village wins) All scenarios are an elim victory. So the elims have some options, because we will be able to tell that there will be two pools: 0-1 elims in the dead 3-4 elims in the survivors There's a higher chance of executing an elim at random if they all survive, and even with the possiblity of an elim in the dead, I don't think it's hard to predict that thread would likely choose to focus on the survivors. So there's a good reason to ensure that the loop ends with 1 dead eliminator. The question is, did the elims night kill e!Drake before knowing that they were going to be winning the round with some amount of certainty? It feels unlikely, though possibly still is worth investigating, but I'll worry about that later. What seems more likely is that Drake was a normal kill, and they are going into Day 3 wanting to have an elim die by the end of loop. So either they let/make the execution hit an elim, or they night kill one. I'd argue that the night kill would be the option that seems the most obvious, so I think it's reasonable to expect they might try confuse things by executing an elim instead. Plus, they ended up night killing one of the confirmed villagers, so we know they definitely didn't take that scenario. So with all that in mind, what does the Day 3 execution look like if the elims might be angling to get one of them killed? About halfway through the cycle this is the state of votes: Quote Stick (0): Archer{1}, Mist{1} Archer (1): Ash{1} Coco (3): Wahr{1}, Doc{1}, Mist{2} Twin (1): Archer{2} Though there were some early votes on Stick, after Ash communicated the dead didn't care for her death, they came off, and instead we settle on a Coco execution. About 13 hours before the end of cycle Stick throws a vote on Mist. About 9 hours before the end of cycle, Araris votes on Stick. About 8 hours before the end of cycle, Coco puts a vote on Stick rather than Mist or Twin. About 5 hours before the end of cycle, Ashbringer shifts from Archer to Coco. Quote Stick (2): Archer{1}, Mist{1}, Araris{1}, Coco{1} Archer (0): Ash{1} Coco (4): Wahr{1}, Doc{1}, Mist{2}, Ash{2} Twin (1): Archer{2} Mist (1): Stick{1} 10 minutes later, Doc shifts to Stick, tying up Coco and Stick (which presumably rupee estimates would have put Stick on the chopping block). Hours later, 10 minutes before end of cycle, Burnt bumps Stick to 4 votes, Then 2 minutes before end of cycle, Archer shifts from Twin to Stick, putting Stick on 5. The final tally is: Quote Stick (5): Archer{1}, Mist{1}, Araris{1}, Coco{1}, Doc{2}, Burnt{1}, Archer{3} Archer (0): Ash{1} Coco (3): Wahr{1}, Doc{1}, Mist{2}, Ash{2} Twin (0): Archer{2} Mist (1): Stick{1} The resultant vote tally at the start of Night 3 was Quote (3) Stick: coco, Doc, Burnt, (3) coco: Wahrheit, Mistfallen, Ashbringer, (1) Mistfallen: Stick, With Araris and Archer's votes missing as a result of dying. I'm unclear whether they knew their votes wouldn't count. It would mean in practice we had Coco on 4, Stick on 1 (Coco's vote), before Doc and Burnt are the last people to act, changing Coco/Stick to a tied 3 votes each, where the fewest rupees held wins. Does this help any? I don't know. It saved Coco and killed Stick. If Drake was evil, they would want to avoid killing another elim, so e!Drake is paired with e!Coco. If Drake was village, they could reasonably want to have an elim die. In this world, v!Coco, e!Stick. So at least for me, I think the two possible worlds are: Burnt / Doc / Stick / Twin Burnt / Doc / Drake / Coco And I would lean towards the first. Edited March 18 by Haelbarde Formatting
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Just now, Mistfallen Soldier said: I’ll be honest, I want to trust doc. I don't! Doc is clearly evil imo, and Hael is clearly village. I was village reading Heal and suspecting Doc even before I died. Everything that happened after has only strengthened both views for me. Tell you what. I'll work on writing up the case for why my elim team is correct. You do the same for yours. We'll see who convinces the other. In the meantime, we have 2 elims we both agree on voting out, so we have some time to deliberate about the third. 2 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: How do you feel about going Burnt, then Stick, and then Coco Apologies, but I do not agree to that. We must execute 3 elims. In my estimation, that's probably only 2. I believe Burnt and Stick should be voted out, but that third vote we are probably going to disagree on. 9 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: In a Burnt / Doc / Stick world, the weirdest execution to me is Loop 2 Day 3: Quote (3) Stick: coco, Doc, Burnt, (3) coco: Wahrheit, Mistfallen, Ashbringer, (1) Mistfallen: Stick,  If we believe elims NKing teammates is ever a reasonable strategy in this setup, then I don't see why we should believe that elims proactively voting for teammates isn't. And if you're going to vote each other, Day 3 is a good day to do it. Or to put it another way, if you're going into a Day 3 with zero teammates in the dead doc, why wouldn't you do it? You're already guaranteed to win the loop. At that point, sowing confusion and creating distance between teammates is really the only meaningful thing your vote can do. Besides, if you are convinced that Burnt and Stick are both evil, then that pair has already voted each other proactively. That's hard evidence that this elim team had more appetite for it than you'd expect in most normal games. Is it really that hard to countenance E!Doc doing the same thing?
Mystic He/Him Posted March 18 Posted March 18 1 minute ago, DrakeMarshall said: I don't! Doc is clearly evil imo, and Hael is clearly village. I was village reading Heal and suspecting Doc even before I died. Everything that happened after has only strengthened both views for me. Tell you what. I'll work on writing up the case for why my elim team is correct. You do the same for yours. We'll see who convinces the other. In the meantime, we have 2 elims we both agree on voting out, so we have some time to deliberate about the third. Apologies, but I do not agree to that. We must execute 3 elims. In my estimation, that's probably only 2. I believe Burnt and Stick should be voted out, but that third vote we are probably going to disagree on. Yeah, we’ll probably disagree on that third. Till then it’ll just be us trying to convince each other. Alright. The Elim team I believe happening is Burnt/Stick/Hael/Coco First off. Burnt: fairly easy one. Hasn’t really denied it, I don’t think I need to explain this one. Stick: First off, we have a Don Gero claim from Drake. And we don’t have a counter-claim. I believe that Drake had Don Gero due to knowing Archer was Postmaster. I don’t think I need to go into this one either as I’m talking to Drake Hael. This is based on Doc’s Mask of Truth claim. Which requires an V!Doc. First off, he shared who PMed who loop one and volunteered that information. He did not need to do that, and since Wonko(the loop 2 postmaster) got NKed, we wouldn’t have discovered that was possible till loop 3(if a Elim didn’t get it) Second, his activity loop 3 matches what he was doing and indicates knowing exactly what would happen D3(something he could not have known, Elim or not). Basically, he gave an excuse for not going for Stone. Which isn’t alignment indicative, either side would do that if they could get a silver mask. However, He PMed Wahr and TUM, and Ash(but Ash died so we don’t care about that). That means that this had foresight(not exactly alignment indicative but it makes is less likely as Elim) Using that PM, he set up a way to communicate with Wahr and TUM and used that to say Hael was village before Hael claimed Captains, meaning he had no way of knowing Stick was outed, or anything like that. He committed to Hael being Elim before knowing anything so it couldn’t have been reacting to him calling out Stick. Further proof to me that Doc’s not Elim Also, we know he had the rupees for this. He also knew that we would block him during the night for it. Revealing that he had a silver mask, basically shuts down any use of having a rez. The only situation where that would be even remotely worth it is if we had 3 Elims already dead by the end of D2(since N2 was when Wahr and TUM received their PMs from him claiming he had the mask) which is only possible if you are Elim, which we both agree you’re not. Fake revealing a scan on Hael would’ve cost them the loop, basically. So unless you’re saying that you’re the Elim and they couldn’t have resurrected an Elim to win, Doc threw the loop right then and there, as soon as he PMed Wahr and TUM. I don’t think I need to point out what a monumentally stupid plan that would be. however, we still need to explain Hael representing the Dead doc accurately. My simple solution, he knew they were going to lose. D3, we went in with the plan to exe Hael. But you claimed that Stick was Elim, and if Hael didn’t share that info, that was pretty much outing two Elims instead of one if he shared the information. So he said that Drake knew Stick NKed him. Sacrificing Stick, but ensuring his own safety, until Doc spoke up, that is. They were going to lose if we exed Hael, so he sacrificed stick, another Elim, making it so we still won, but giving Hael a lot of village cred. Then they could’ve gone into loop three, letting us exe Coco/Twin and Stick, and NKing burnt, once again letting us win the loop, but since Hael had been so instrumental in getting Stick exed, non of us would’ve voted him, causing us to lose the tiebreaker and the overall game. Coco: I’d go into coco, but I’m not as sure anymore, I’ve seen some good arguments for Twin lately, and so I’m gonna have to revisit my opinions on Coco. So I’ll leave it at that for now and see if a Burnt/Stick/Hael/Twin team is even possibleÂ
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 18 Posted March 18  Burnt. Obviously.  2 hours ago, Archer said: Burnt I'd love to hear the dead doc's thoughts, but I'm looking at Hael, then Drake afterwards. I'm open to considering anyone we exed last loop, but honestly think we have better odds betting on this explanation. Really? Why? In your opinion, why did a Burnt/Hael/Drake/<Coco|Twin|Mist> team surrender the game?  1 hour ago, Haelbarde said: The only person I am 100% certain of is evil in those pairs is Doc. Stick was certainly the better decision than me last round, and I would tend to believe Drake but I cannot be certain. I admit to remaining confused about Coco, Mist and Twin. Mist has had some very weird interactions, particularly at the end of last cycle, while looking at past executions Coco doesn't necessarily look great. Mist seems extremely unlikely to me, given the voluntary surrender. If the elim team contains Mist, we would have lost the Loop and thus the game if they'd just NKed someone.  1 hour ago, Haelbarde said: I guess I'd be particularly interested in where the Bunny, Scents, and Romani masks ended up last loop, as I don't think there were claims in thread regarding that, and they were definitely purchased D1. I had Romani. The plan was to get myself exed on D3 and reduce us to 5 total dead, meaning we only needed one dead elim. But Aman eventually came down on the side that that wouldn't work, and I would have been counted as dead for the Boss Mask.  1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: Previous Page Next Page Coliver's knees were starting to buckle. It wasn't the revelation of the Dreamers. She'd put that together. If not motivations, that someone present here had arranged for the events of these past few three days. She'd put that together as soon as she'd come back to life from having her heart ripped from her chest the second time. No, something else was becoming apparent. She'd lived. She'd survived... and yet she wasn't sure she'd deserved it. Because Rashe died, and some last sliver of Coliver broke with it. She'd survived. Stood on the sidelines. When the Zora were in danger... her people... she stood back. It made sense. Heroically throwing herself into a swarm of ghosts that had just decapitated the Happy Mask Salesman who had led them here would have been stupid, right? That wouldn't leave her alive very long. But then again, neither would throwing herself in between Ap and a barrage of light arrows. It had been Rashe and the other spirits, somehow, who had stopped the pirates. He'd been looking at her. Why had he been looking at her? She hadn't died. She hadn't found something revolutionary, she hadn't saved Ap... and they'd won the Mask. Without her. Coliver didn't even think she'd heard the song that night; Makazi didn't seem to remember. Rashe told her to live. Coliver didn't think what she'd done was what he meant. She couldn't do this again. She couldn't. Rashe's knees did not buckle. It wasn't the death. He was used to that. Even dying and having what spirit he had act as a strange anti-Pirate defense mechanism wasn't... entirely unheard of. But this... this room, this accusation, this acquisition... That he knew. That he knew far too well. Rashe stretched out his hand, and his glowing sword faded into existence. "I do hope I won't need this. But," he paused. "It does seem the proper time?" Previous Page Next Page Hey, how do you do this "Next Page"/"Previous Page" thing? It's super cool, and is probably useful for someone who tends to write way to many words per post.   31 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I’ll be honest, I want to trust doc. Everything he’s said explaining his actions makes sense to me, even now. Which makes me want to avoid the question entirely. How do you feel about going Burnt, then Stick, and then Coco Having a sensible explanation for your actions doesn't make you village. Doc's actions also make perfect sense in an e!Doc world. I'm not saying Doc HAS to be an elim, but I think you might be putting too much weight on the fact that v!Doc "makes sense". The question we should be asking is, does e!Doc NOT make sense? That said, I agree with Stick over Drake, so that's fine for now, at least. I'm less committed to Coco over Twin, but that's the last exe, so I have time to review before then.  36 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said: Apologies, but I do not agree to that. We must execute 3 elims. In my estimation, that's probably only 2. I believe Burnt and Stick should be voted out, but that third vote we are probably going to disagree on. I know you said you're doing a full writeup on your preferred team, but can you give me a sneak preview on why you're so confident in e!Twin over e!Coco? That pair seems hazy at best to me.  13 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: First off, he shared who PMed who loop one and volunteered that information. He did not need to do that, and since Wonko(the loop 2 postmaster) got NKed, we wouldn’t have discovered that was possible till loop 3(if a Elim didn’t get it) In point of fact, he only volunteered that the list existed. It was only after I pushed for it that he actually produced the list. I noted it as odd at the time but mostly ignored it. 20 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: however, we still need to explain Hael representing the Dead doc accurately. My simple solution, he knew they were going to lose. D3, we went in with the plan to exe Hael. But you claimed that Stick was Elim, and if Hael didn’t share that info, that was pretty much outing two Elims instead of one if he shared the information. So he said that Drake knew Stick NKed him. Sacrificing Stick, but ensuring his own safety, until Doc spoke up, that is. They were going to lose if we exed Hael, so he sacrificed stick, another Elim, making it so we still won, but giving Hael a lot of village cred. Then they could’ve gone into loop three, letting us exe Coco/Twin and Stick, and NKing burnt, once again letting us win the loop, but since Hael had been so instrumental in getting Stick exed, non of us would’ve voted him, causing us to lose the tiebreaker and the overall game. According to this hypothesis, absolutely everything went to plan for the elims D3C; they wanted Stick exed. Why, then, the sudden surrender? You think Doc's mask claim is THAT damning, that the entire elim team agreed it was impossible to win anymore because of it?
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