Myst He/Him Posted March 11 Posted March 11 10 minutes ago, Stick. said: How exactly does the Pm strat work with the OoA? So we target the postmaster, then equips happen, then NK, then PMs get delivered. Thats the important stuff, though TJ has the exact order up there. Anyways, PMs are targeting, and the stone mask equips before PMs are sent, so if I send a PM to doc(and if he has the stone mask) then I target the Postmaster, then he equips it, and then the Postmaster targets him and fails to do so so the PM isn’t sent. What this means that is Doc could Pm me and equip the mask. He targets the postmaster, then equips the mask, so he targets them before the mask is applied. I think that answers your question
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 11 Posted March 11 5 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: Edit 2; as for people who could’ve lied about rupee amounts. You, me, Hael, and Twin. Twin absolutely could not have it. But maybe Hael. @Haelbarde do you have it? I do not have the Stone Mask. I did end up kinda close to being able to afford it but didn't have the funds last turn nor this turn. 1
Myst He/Him Posted March 11 Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: I do not have the Stone Mask. I did end up kinda close to being able to afford it but didn't have the funds last turn nor this turn. Gotcha, I thought for a sec I had miscounted
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 11 Posted March 11 17 hours ago, The Unknown Medallion said: Okay, so this should be more than enough discussion posts so I don't need to keep splitting it up. PM strategy: Stone Mask wearer cannot receive PMs (equip comes before receipt). Therefore, someone (well, multiple people preferably all three of me, Ash, Wahr) needs to PM everyone who could ever possibly have gotten the Mask a unique player-specific codeword. The Postman is also told that these PMs couldn't be sent, so we have a four way authentication. I don't know if it's possible Rupee wise, but the Postman may also be the Stone Mask holder, but that should be obvious when no PMs are delivered. There's just one more problem. @Amanuensis, can they put on the Stone Mask in the day to avoid that very exe? That seems to be what the OoA says, but I would like to argue that votes would still technically be placed before the player became untargetable, meaning that they either die to the exe or survive the exe without second place dying. Yes, but my point is that wasn't the relevant math when people were putting their actions in I may have missed things, but I'm happy to try PM people, but I have not done so before. Do you get confirmation that your PM was received?
|TJ| he/him Posted March 11 Posted March 11 40 minutes ago, Doc12 said: Ap is also a she never let me RP bro reminds me of the time I mistook one of Kas' character's daughter for his wife 1
Stick. she/her Posted March 11 Posted March 11 32 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: So we target the postmaster, then equips happen, then NK, then PMs get delivered. Thats the important stuff, though TJ has the exact order up there. Anyways, PMs are targeting, and the stone mask equips before PMs are sent, so if I send a PM to doc(and if he has the stone mask) then I target the Postmaster, then he equips it, and then the Postmaster targets him and fails to do so so the PM isn’t sent. What this means that is Doc could Pm me and equip the mask. He targets the postmaster, then equips the mask, so he targets them before the mask is applied. I think that answers your question Right but mechanically what is stopping the stone person from also doing all this and equipping during the day, we don’t have any villa night kill power this game so..
Myst He/Him Posted March 11 Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, Stick. said: Right but mechanically what is stopping the stone person from also doing all this and equipping during the day, we don’t have any villa night kill power this game so.. That’s the problem, we’ll just have to do it N2C as well to check and so forth
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted March 11 Posted March 11 36 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: I may have missed things, but I'm happy to try PM people, but I have not done so before. Do you get confirmation that your PM was received? Its more that you get confirmation that you spent rupees and told which players you sent to. If they don't go through the rupee isn't charged and its not listed in that gm message. --- Cindra found herself constantly glancing back. Every fibre of her body felt tense, waiting for the nightmarish moment they'd experienced twice now when the town fell. She was glad to not be in there, but also, she didnt really want to have a good view of her home being destroyed either. So many of their group had helped the evacuations as well. Would the rest of the town escape? Will Amora get there in time? Her fingers fidgeted with the hem of her blouse. All she could do is keep walking. 1
Myst He/Him Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Kieran looked back in the direction of clock town. He hoped he’d be able to see it again and that this wouldn’t be their last reset. He knew that if Skull kid got the last mask… he wouldn’t. Then this would be the final time… Kieran hadn’t known that this was going to happen when he signed up for that first temple quest, but he was in it now, and all he could do was try his best to make sure Ap got the mask. He trusted Ap, she’d always been able to get them out of sticky situations. The Happy Mask Salesman however… he wasn’t so sure. Yeah, he’d bought a mask from him, and he was planning on getting another, but something seemed… off. Maybe it was just the fact that he was a salesman, and like all the others, were mostly untrustworthy… but maybe it was something else… ”I’m sure it’ll be fine” he muttered, “Ap’s his apprentice and she’s trustworthy” 1
Divergent He/Him Posted March 11 Posted March 11 2 hours ago, Stick. said: uh no it wasnt a reaction test smh really i was just in a silly mood ...and some of it got lost in translation...dont worry about it xd tj has felt villagery ever since he got resurrected, i cant rly put my finger on the exact reason but he just generally feels like his village self now compared to the robotic version from before and he's making sensible arguments. light read tho, also partly hinges on coco being e wow....so did u visit ash n3 or no good question, ive internally kinda been on and off on that read. there's a part of me that just loves to be right in these games so i catch myself forcing a narrative in my head at times, so id like some discussion on my thoughts below. first ill direct u to my post from yesterday: tldr: at the moment i lean ever so slightly town than not, based on the fact that the ash NK on L2 N3 was completely unnecessary, numbers-wise, and rather gave us an advantage of 50 rupees. what does e!mist gain from this in a world where v!burnt? probably nothing, and mist as a player is always mechanically involved, based on my own experience as e with them, so im inclined to think theyd have known N3King ash is counterintuitive what does e!mist gain from this in a world where e!burnt? a strong unpairing, yes, and this was my initial thought - but realistically the definite risks do outweigh the potential reward, because in a flipless game u have to account for the fact that typically people are more likely to just exe them both just to be sure and then u also have the conf villa with 50 rupees. it works a lot better in a game with flips separately, i have a slightly cursed thought, that maybe the elims are working towards a strat where they deliberately nk ash thrice to get him to silver, which they then steal with circus. if this is the case then they only decided to go for it after the l2 d3 exe because then they would have known with certainty that they are not losing the loop (and this in turn would indicate one elim died somewhere in loop2/was close to dying towards the end). this doesnt exactly lend more credence to either a v!mist or e!mist world, or to either a v!burnt or e!burnt world, but it crossed my mind I see, I think what you said made a lot of sense where e!Mist doesn't really stand to gain anything from the kill on Ash and that e!Burnt's reveal of the Mask of Scents info serves as a very good distraction to keep people's eyes focused on her and Mist, so that e!Coco could get one of the 50 rupee items instead of being the exe on D1. Another thing I thought about was that out of the 6 that remained Burnt would have most likely been the second most focused on after Coco as Doc and Mist are mostly village read, and Hael and Twin just aren't as active and are falling under the radar, so I could see it as a hail mary to make people doubt their v-read on Mist and also potentially make people think that she's v. It doesn't have a high chance of working, but it's worth a shot. What I am confused though, is how is it possible that the Stone Mask was still taken by someone who isn't Ash. Were Burnt and Coco able to both afford it anyway? Did either Doc or Mist snipe it?
Myst He/Him Posted March 11 Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, Divergent said: I see, I think what you said made a lot of sense where e!Mist doesn't really stand to gain anything from the kill on Ash and that e!Burnt's reveal of the Mask of Scents info serves as a very good distraction to keep people's eyes focused on her and Mist, so that e!Coco could get one of the 50 rupee items instead of being the exe on D1. Another thing I thought about was that out of the 6 that remained Burnt would have most likely been the second most focused on after Coco as Doc and Mist are mostly village read, and Hael and Twin just aren't as active and are falling under the radar, so I could see it as a hail mary to make people doubt their v-read on Mist and also potentially make people think that she's v. It doesn't have a high chance of working, but it's worth a shot. What I am confused though, is how is it possible that the Stone Mask was still taken by someone who isn't Ash. Were Burnt and Coco able to both afford it anyway? Did either Doc or Mist snipe it? We don’t know. Doc should be the only other person able to get it. I couldn’t have, and I’m confident Burnt couldn’t have. So I think that unless someone comes forward to claim, I think Doc has to have it because no one else could. That makes me lean Elim on him because he denied it. That said, hopefully our PM things find something
Divergent He/Him Posted March 12 Posted March 12 37 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: We don’t know. Doc should be the only other person able to get it. I couldn’t have, and I’m confident Burnt couldn’t have. So I think that unless someone comes forward to claim, I think Doc has to have it because no one else could. That makes me lean Elim on him because he denied it. That said, hopefully our PM things find something I see. What makes you confident that Burnt couldn't have? Is there not a world where Burnt's teammate (like Coco) bought the Mask of Scents instead and so, Burnt wouldn't have a 20 rupee deficit. I don't know if the math works out though (probably not since Coco claimed Bremen and this would put her at 45 on D3C; might be possible too that another teammate bought Bremen and that way she'd still be at 50, but we have no real way of figuring that out)
Myst He/Him Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Just now, Divergent said: I see. What makes you confident that Burnt couldn't have? Is there not a world where Burnt's teammate (like Coco) bought the Mask of Scents instead and so, Burnt wouldn't have a 20 rupee deficit. I don't know if the math works out though (probably not since Coco claimed Bremen and this would put her at 45 on D3C; might be possible too that another teammate bought Bremen and that way she'd still be at 50, but we have no real way of figuring that out) That is true, I’ve brought up that world myself. My reasons basically consist that one Elim had to have it, otherwise it would’ve been counter-claimed by now. And do why I think Burnt had it instead of Coco, basically Coco’s reaction to voting her. It’s not a solid reason, so Burnt is still on the table.
Doc12 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Okay, so what exactly is the plan here? Is the PM thing happening tonight or in the day tomorrow? Who's sending them? How are we keeping track and how is this going to be revealed without the Postmaster revealing themself? Is the plan still exeing Burnt tomorrow while having a second train as a fallback? Is the plan still for Mist and I to receive one vote each to show we can be voted on? Or is this a N2 thing since now apparently the Stone mask can still receive PMs in the day if equipped in day? Also yeah Mist I don't understand why you're so convinced I must have it and Burnt can't when, if you're village, she's already lied once.
Myst He/Him Posted March 12 Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Doc12 said: Okay, so what exactly is the plan here? Is the PM thing happening tonight or in the day tomorrow? Who's sending them? How are we keeping track and how is this going to be revealed without the Postmaster revealing themself? Is the plan still exeing Burnt tomorrow while having a second train as a fallback? Is the plan still for Mist and I to receive one vote each to show we can be voted on? Or is this a N2 thing since now apparently the Stone mask can still receive PMs in the day if equipped in day? Also yeah Mist I don't understand why you're so convinced I must have it and Burnt can't when, if you're village, she's already lied once. I’m not sure how the exact strategy. The postman doesn’t have to reveal themselves in order to do this. I was planning on using code words for mine(very slightly different ones) as for when. Everyday until we know for sure who has it(so out of me, Doc, Burnt, and if you want to, Ash) Im not sure what the vote plan is either, my current plan is do vote burnt, but have a few votes on Twin. (If yall ageee) and yes, me and you should have a vote(but not enough so that if Burnt has it we die) And honestly, I don’t have a reason. She lied about at least the following me to Ash, and it seems very Audacious to me to claim a mask she doesn’t have. That’s my playstyle though, so she may have. Plus the coco N2 makes that makes sense. So yeah, I think I can be confident she has it, but obviously I’d still like some soft proof
Doc12 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I’m not sure how the exact strategy. The postman doesn’t have to reveal themselves in order to do this. I was planning on using code words for mine(very slightly different ones) as for when. Everyday until we know for sure who has it(so out of me, Doc, Burnt, and if you want to, Ash) Im not sure what the vote plan is either, my current plan is do vote burnt, but have a few votes on Twin. (If yall ageee) and yes, me and you should have a vote(but not enough so that if Burnt has it we die) And honestly, I don’t have a reason. She lied about at least the following me to Ash, and it seems very Audacious to me to claim a mask she doesn’t have. That’s my playstyle though, so she may have. Plus the coco N2 makes that makes sense. So yeah, I think I can be confident she has it, but obviously I’d still like some soft proof Alright. I am a little confused with how the OoA works in terms of voting, but if equip comes before exe, then the vote on the person with Stone will not appear on the writeup, yes? That's pretty solid to me.
Myst He/Him Posted March 12 Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Doc12 said: Alright. I am a little confused with how the OoA works in terms of voting, but if equip comes before exe, then the vote on the person with Stone will not appear on the writeup, yes? That's pretty solid to me. I’m not sure if the votes will show up in the write-up or not, but if Burnt has it, then Twin will be voted out, and we’ll know
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 12 Author Posted March 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc12 said: Alright. I am a little confused with how the OoA works in terms of voting, but if equip comes before exe, then the vote on the person with Stone will not appear on the writeup, yes? That's pretty solid to me. Postman Receives PMs > Worn Mask Passive Effects > Circus Leader Mask Theft / Keaton Mask Redirect / Bremen's Mask Roleblock > Equip / Unequip Mask (if Mask ability is passive then it's triggered by later steps in OoA) > Execution / Night Kill > Great Fairy / Mask of Truth Results > Postman Delivers PMs > Mask of Scents Tracking Any votes on or from a Stone Mask wearer is the same thing as not voting. To use an example: (4) Stone: Bremen, Don Gero, Postman, Scents (3) Postman: Bunny, Captain, Stone Would become: (2) Postman: Bunny, Captain Edited March 12 by Amanuensis 3
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 12 Posted March 12 @Doc12, @Burnt Spaghetti, if you could go for the Keaton Mask, that would be appreciated.
Doc12 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 (edited) She wasn't coming. When midnight came, Thistle had stopped walking, motioning to everyone else to go ahead without her. They'd sat themselves on a rock by the roadside, and waited. A few of their friends had given Thistle looks, and Cindra had offered to stay with them, but Thistle had promised to catch up. The Moon leered down, still comfortably high in the sky, painting everything silver. The footsteps of their companions began to fade. Just the silence of the field, punctuated by crickets and the swishing of wind through grass. Clock Town was named for its big clock. Some said its ringing could be heard for miles. Thistle wondered if even now, the bell was striking. They couldn't hear it. Did the Clock Tower even survive the bombs? Thistle waited, and waited, and waited. They didn't know for how long. Was it quick? Just... a white flash? Or did she get trapped under debris and was choking on smoke? Or did the cultists get her in the end? Did they kill her? or just capture and torture her? Thistle's fists were balled so hard their fingernails drew blood. Where was she? ...What did she want to say? Their body was stiff and cold. They didn't cry. Not yet. That would probably come later. Now, Thistle just... stood. Cast one last, empty look towards the horizon, and moved to catch up with the rest. -------- @coco.pudding Edited March 12 by Doc12 3
Ashbringer he/him Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Actually? Better idea. @Mistfallen Soldier, grab the Gibdo Mask please!
Myst He/Him Posted March 12 Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Actually? Better idea. @Mistfallen Soldier, grab the Gibdo Mask please! Gotcha
Doc12 Posted March 12 Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Actually? Better idea. @Mistfallen Soldier, grab the Gibdo Mask please! 12 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: @Doc12, @Burnt Spaghetti, if you could go for the Keaton Mask, that would be appreciated. Bossy. I like it
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted March 12 Posted March 12 I will go for a purple, I'm not going to say which though. I realize the elims aren't likely to be targeting those of us who were alive last loop, but i still don't love the idea of them knowing who has what, especially when redirects and roleblocks are still a factor.
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