Long Game 110? [Sign Ups]: Termina Abandoned (A Majora's Mask Mafia Adventure)

[Stick. she/her]

Ok cool auto equipping hats means we can do both the pm thing and recheck via voting 

 

also seems optimal to make sure only confirmed villagers can bid on Romani during loop 4, it probably doesn’t matter who has it this loop if i understand it right 

[Myst He/Him]

8 hours ago, |TJ| said:

Well, we would then live (to fight another loop) or die (lose) by my words, yeah. I think this is the singular point of failure in our plan. If Burnt has faked the scan here then we would need to hope that Ash gets the Stone Mask. 

BUT, when you weigh the possibility of Burnt having 50 rupees with the certainty that Coco has 50 rupees, you always go Coco here. And Coco/Burnt are absolutely paired. 

ALSO, I still believe Burnt told the truth (about at least buying the mask). If you look at her posts, at least from the later half of the last Loop, there is this urgency to hit the rupee cap that reads very genuine and not faked at all. It would only come from Burnt trying to get to 50 rupees before the start of this loop. On the other hand, Coco has been very lowkey about any mentions of how much rupees she has or what she can afford. I believe we are on the right path. 

How would this work if I'm not backing Burnt's (fake) scan and pushing Mistfallen right now? The very thing that Coco is doing right now :P. 

Having said that, I would like to cover all bases. So let's have a look at Doc, shall we?

 

6 hours ago, |TJ| said:

Doc's thoughts on Burnt/Mistfallen on D2A. Not quite sure what to make of it. 

Vote Sequence D2A: Archer -> Wahr -> Hoid Slayer

Vote Sequence D3A: TJ

Vote Sequence D1B: Wonko -> Burnt

This was in Night 1-B^. 

I think this a very villager-y way of thinking. There is a genuine solving thought-process here to figure out about the alignment of the main trains in the prior cycle. 

Vote Sequence D2B: Burnt -> Araris

Vote Sequence D3B: Coco -> Stick 

Yeah, I think Doc has been been very consistent regarding Burnt, there's a glaring lack of any evil-seeming agenda, and there's the mind-meld with me in all the matters of Archer/Coco. I considered a Mistfallen/Doc world but there is also a lack of any nefarious intent in their reads/defence of Mistfallen. There is a village read (on Mistfallen) but there is also this hesitancy without coming off as wishy-washy, an inquisitiveness (about Mistfallen) that comes inherently with being a villager. I am quite okay with village Doc. 

No one’s counter-claimed The scent mask from Burnt, though Coco said she went for it. In the case Burnt has it, Coco is able to get a purple. The case Coco had scents, both of them can get purple 

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Hats are auto-equip, yes. Should have made it so all first Masks auto equip but the butterfly effect means  I can't hotfix that like I did the Bunny rewards

So, elims can kill themselves in Loop 4 if they want. But if all 4 elims are dead before the Final Day, there will not be a Final Day vote and the village wins

I should also inform y'all a weird interaction with Romani:

- If a villager with Romani gets attacked N3 and they would be the deciding death for the parity check, elims lose

- If the wearer of the Romani Mask gets exed in the Final Day, the wearer's team wins instead of loses

Gibdo does not count for parity either way so does not have the same benefit

Correction. I have done some wargaming and see that having Masks available at the Final Day causes too many avenues for mechanical exploitation / tie-breaker invalidation on both sides. So new ruling:

All Masks stop working on the Final Day EXCEPT FOR Fierce Diety, which no one is going to get anyway  so if someone is wearing the Stone Mask from Days 2 and 3 they will be voteable on D4. Otherwise all of Loop 4 is basically guaranteed to be a MoM win if they get the Stone Mask Loop 4 and kill the rest of the team before the Final Day

This also prevents the villagers from getting the Romani and saving it to Final Day exe them for an easy LZ victory

Edited March 10 by Amanuensis

[|TJ| he/him]

21 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

All Masks stop working on the Final Day EXCEPT FOR Fierce Diety, which no one is going to get anyway  so if someone is wearing the Stone Mask from Days 2 and 3 they will be voteable on D4. Otherwise all of Loop 4 is basically guaranteed to be a MoM win if they get the Stone Mask Loop 4 and kill the rest of the team before the Final Day

Ahhh, I had always thought of the tie-break as Loop 5 Day 1, so I was already thinking that all the masks from Loop 4 break anyway but there would be no resurrections and no Mask Sales, so essentially the same thing then. 

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

Now I did a little Vote count, because aside from Drakes tally there has not been one this day.

Burnt (4) Archer, Araris, Drake, Doc

Mistfallen (2) Burnt, Coco

Coco (7) Tj, Stick, Dive, Wahr, Wonko, Mistfallen, Ash

There was a Time where burnt was more popular, it changed when Wonko Jumper from Burnt to coco, Timing both trains and then Mistfallen Jumper from Burnt to coco, puttinh coco in the lead.  

 

 

 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Wait.

Wait wait wait. 

Coco. Burnt.

Someone check my logic on this:

If the Stone Mask saves someone from death -- whether an elim or a villager -- that brings us down to 5 deaths this Loop. Doesn't that put us in a situation like Loop 1, where we only need to hit a single Elim to win the Loop?

If so, I think we might actually be able to game this. Assume that Burnt/Mist contains one elim (a safe bet). We kill both of them, and simultaneously demand every player submit votes and/or PMs before D3. We successfully identify the Stone Mask. D3, we exe that player. We win the Loop.

Am I missing something?

I'll switch my vote back if someone can find a flaw in my logic.

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Wait.

Wait wait wait. 

Coco. Burnt.

Someone check my logic on this:

If the Stone Mask saves someone from death -- whether an elim or a villager -- that brings us down to 5 deaths this Loop. Doesn't that put us in a situation like Loop 1, where we only need to hit a single Elim to win the Loop?

If so, I think we might actually be able to game this. Assume that Burnt/Mist contains one elim (a safe bet). We kill both of them, and simultaneously demand every player submit votes and/or PMs before D3. We successfully identify the Stone Mask. D3, we exe that player. We win the Loop.

Am I missing something?

I'll switch my vote back if someone can find a flaw in my logic.

We still have 6 exes, just that one of them can’t be on a specific person who probably is Elim. Just because the Stone mask person can’t be exed doesn’t mean the others can’t 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Just now, Mistfallen Soldier said:

We still have 6 exes, just that one of them can’t be on a specific person who probably is Elim. Just because the Stone mask person can’t be exed doesn’t mean the others can’t 

If the person wearing the Stone Mask wins the exe, are you saying that the second-place vote dies instead? @Amanuensis Can we get a rules check on that?

[|TJ| he/him]

3 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

If the Stone Mask saves someone from death -- whether an elim or a villager -- that brings us down to 5 deaths this Loop. Doesn't that put us in a situation like Loop 1, where we only need to hit a single Elim to win the Loop?

I assumed the player with the second highest vote dies in that case, but @Amanuensis?

Like say Coco gets Stone Mask and like 6 of us vote Coco and maybe 4 of us vote Archer 

I assume the VC is going to be 

Archer (4) 

Coco (0)

So someone still dies instead. 

[coco.pudding she/they]

10 hours ago, |TJ| said:

And Coco/Burnt are absolutely paired. 

Do you have literally any evidence for that other than me voting to tie her and Divergent that one time?

10 hours ago, |TJ| said:

Coco has been very lowkey about any mentions of how much rupees she has

Currently have 65  you’re welcome. I figured that’s pretty obvious bc as it’s been established I got Bremen loop 1 and have been getting max posts every day since. So no I didn’t mention it bc anyone who’s been paying attention to me at all (which you apparently have, even tho a lot of your points about me don’t make a ton of sense, but that’s fine) would already know 

 

Anyways Burnt Mistfallen even tho that’s not going to do anything

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

13 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Wait.

Wait wait wait. 

Coco. Burnt.

Someone check my logic on this:

If the Stone Mask saves someone from death -- whether an elim or a villager -- that brings us down to 5 deaths this Loop. Doesn't that put us in a situation like Loop 1, where we only need to hit a single Elim to win the Loop?

If so, I think we might actually be able to game this. Assume that Burnt/Mist contains one elim (a safe bet). We kill both of them, and simultaneously demand every player submit votes and/or PMs before D3. We successfully identify the Stone Mask. D3, we exe that player. We win the Loop.

Am I missing something?

I'll switch my vote back if someone can find a flaw in my logic.

I actually like that Idea, and yes it fully depends on the exact workings of the stone Mask. If the Version you assume here is right, that if the wearer gets the most vites, no exe happens, then I will happily join you on burnt.

Lets wait on Amanuensis rules clarification here.

[|TJ| he/him]

1 minute ago, coco.pudding said:

Do you have literally any evidence for that other than me voting to tie her and Divergent that one time?

I think that's pretty solid evidence, no? You can't really ask me to ignore a potentially life-saving vote. 

We look at the evidence and we see what we get. We are pre-flipping Burnt as evil. So, we look back at the cycle in which Burnt was the leading train. We look at the votes and see who protected Burnt, and it gives us you. If Burnt is evil, there HAD to have been some effort to go into saving her and the fact that the only unknown effort we see is from you ( and Archer >>) logically leads us to think that you are paired. 

[Myst He/Him]

22 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

If the person wearing the Stone Mask wins the exe, are you saying that the second-place vote dies instead? @Amanuensis Can we get a rules check on that?

My understanding was that we act as if the votes on that person didn’t exist, so the next person would get voted out. But yes, let’s wait for the rules check 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Second highest dies, yes. Any votes on or from a Stone Mask wearer is the same thing as not voting. So to use an example:

• (4) Stone: Bremen, Don Gero, Postman, Scents
• (3) Postman: Bunny, Captain, Stone

Would become:

• (2) Postman: Bunny, Captain

Edited March 10 by Amanuensis

[Ashbringer he/him]

Rats.

Blocking an NK would work, but that would be hard to pull off even if we have a good idea where-ish Elims are.

Bremen Mask would be good for the Village to have if you're not going for Stone, hint hint.

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

I think that's pretty solid evidence, no? You can't really ask me to ignore a potentially life-saving vote. 

We look at the evidence and we see what we get. We are pre-flipping Burnt as evil. So, we look back at the cycle in which Burnt was the leading train. We look at the votes and see who protected Burnt, and it gives us you. If Burnt is evil, there HAD to have been some effort to go into saving her and the fact that the only unknown effort we see is from you ( and Archer >>) logically leads us to think that you are paired. 

It’s not solid evidence if I didn’t know that would save her? I assumed they had about the same number of rupees at the time so I had no idea which would lose that tiebreaker. That’s a very big gap in your logic.

But sure, me voting to tie two people I was suspicious of and didn’t know who would win/lose the tiebreaker is a connection, yeah. Totally makes sense and isn’t missing a huge assumption at all. 

[Myst He/Him]

7 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

It’s not solid evidence if I didn’t know that would save her? I assumed they had about the same number of rupees at the time so I had no idea which would lose that tiebreaker. That’s a very big gap in your logic.

But sure, me voting to tie two people I was suspicious of and didn’t know who would win/lose the tiebreaker is a connection, yeah. Totally makes sense and isn’t missing a huge assumption at all. 

I’ve been pretty clear about saying who would win ties when they come up.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Guys. 

I.

Okay. 

I follow the reasoning. I do. I appreciate you guys are putting careful thought into things. But. guys.  I swear im not lying about the mask result, please. 

Im going to trust you guys to get this correct. But like. My faith in us is not strong >.> 

mist Ill move my vote to coco i understand the reasoning. I meant it last cycle when I said I was happy for either a stick or Coco exe. In my perspective it seems sound to vote the richer elim out of a coco/mist pairing. 

I understand if you want me exed next cycle. But storms please get cycle 3 correct >.>

 

Ill also note- while we have a clear pool to look in for the elims, we shouldn't forget theres probably one in the pool who died. Id be expecting the nk to be coming from the least likely to be blocked, which is not the living pool. 

--

Ill be at work until after rollover, so will be unlikely to be able to get on again as a heads up

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

2 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Second highest dies, yes. Any votes on or from a Stone Mask wearer is the same thing as not voting. So to use an example:

• (4) Stone: Bremen, Don Gero, Postman, Scents
• (3) Postman: Bunny, Captain, Stone

Would become:

• (2) Postman: Bunny, Captain

Tragic.

Burnt. Coco.

[coco.pudding she/they]

So I like this list of actions and such but uh I do have a few corrections since it seems like you’ve missed some rather important context on a few of my posts (or are intentionally misreading it like some people seem to be *cough* TJ *cough*)

6 hours ago, Divergent said:

Coco says she "was fairly sus of Burnt already", but this was the first time she brought it up

I do believe this was in the aforementioned readslist. Did you actually read it or just skim? : )

6 hours ago, Divergent said:

Coco is no longer suspicious of Hoid and says he was genuinely just not able to be active

 My suspicions on him were because he was being active ish but mostly unhelpful. I thought this could be him trying to stay under the radar as an elim. I brought up similar suspicions about Stick when she first joined. However, the fact that he requested a pinch hitter made me a bit less suspicious because he did it so late into the game. I don’t feel like an elim would be committing to that strategy and then suddenly decide to just leave. But I am still somewhat suspicious of TwinStorm because they have also been very inactive and are just chilling under the radar atm even though they are one of the 6 players with an elim amongst us. I just didn’t want to vote them at that time because they had just joined the game and I wanted to give them some time to find their footing in the game. (I’m also a bit sus of Hael for similar reasons)

6 hours ago, Divergent said:

Coco votes TJ (I'm kinda confused where the sus came from?? Cus in the long readslist, she says the chances of him being elim isn't very high and she had a light village read of him)

I believe I said I couldn’t get a great read on him because he wasn’t being active, and gave him light village lean because of the way he was contributing when he was active. But also, my read changed when he showed up and started being very active the moment he was leading the vote. The way in which he was trying to solve was also rather suspicious to me. Ultimately however I voted him because I didn’t feel like being in a three way tie, that was very stressful (and yes I know he would likely have died in the tiebreaker anyway but I didn’t feel like leaving it up to that and potential interference from roleblock shenanigans). 

1 hour ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

I’ve been pretty clear about saying who would win ties when they come up.

I don’t believe anyone knew who would win that tie. Can you link the post where you said Burnt would win the tie, please? Because they had around the same number of posts as well as both had spent rupees, with Burnt spending more than Divergent because of PMs.

Anyways it’s pretty clear I’m going to be voted out here. That’s fine. I just ask that you please get it together and vote an actual elim next cycle—I’d rather us not lose three rounds in a row with no win, that would rather suck. Thank you!

[Myst He/Him]

14 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

So I like this list of actions and such but uh I do have a few corrections since it seems like you’ve missed some rather important context on a few of my posts (or are intentionally misreading it like some people seem to be *cough* TJ *cough*)

I do believe this was in the aforementioned readslist. Did you actually read it or just skim? : )

 My suspicions on him were because he was being active ish but mostly unhelpful. I thought this could be him trying to stay under the radar as an elim. I brought up similar suspicions about Stick when she first joined. However, the fact that he requested a pinch hitter made me a bit less suspicious because he did it so late into the game. I don’t feel like an elim would be committing to that strategy and then suddenly decide to just leave. But I am still somewhat suspicious of TwinStorm because they have also been very inactive and are just chilling under the radar atm even though they are one of the 6 players with an elim amongst us. I just didn’t want to vote them at that time because they had just joined the game and I wanted to give them some time to find their footing in the game. (I’m also a bit sus of Hael for similar reasons)

I believe I said I couldn’t get a great read on him because he wasn’t being active, and gave him light village lean because of the way he was contributing when he was active. But also, my read changed when he showed up and started being very active the moment he was leading the vote. The way in which he was trying to solve was also rather suspicious to me. Ultimately however I voted him because I didn’t feel like being in a three way tie, that was very stressful (and yes I know he would likely have died in the tiebreaker anyway but I didn’t feel like leaving it up to that and potential interference from roleblock shenanigans). 

I don’t believe anyone knew who would win that tie. Can you link the post where you said Burnt would win the tie, please? Because they had around the same number of posts as well as both had spent rupees, with Burnt spending more than Divergent because of PMs.

Anyways it’s pretty clear I’m going to be voted out here. That’s fine. I just ask that you please get it together and vote an actual elim next cycle—I’d rather us not lose three rounds in a row with no win, that would rather suck. Thank you!

Yes. I can. I said it right after you changed your vote.

 

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 minute ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Yes. I can. I said it right after you changed your vote.

 

Ah my bad then okay. I didn’t know who would win when I made the vote but learned that later. The takeaway is that I was fine with either being exed, Divergent just happened to end up with more votes after I made the tie. People have been assuming I knew who would lose the tiebreaker when I voted, which is simply not true and is the narrative I’d like to correct.

[Myst He/Him]

1 minute ago, coco.pudding said:

Ah my bad then okay. I didn’t know who would win when I made the vote but learned that later. The takeaway is that I was fine with either being exed, Divergent just happened to end up with more votes after I made the tie. People have been assuming I knew who would lose the tiebreaker when I voted, which is simply not true and is the narrative I’d like to correct.

At which point you didn’t change it. Despite posting afterwards 

 

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 minute ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

At which point you didn’t change it. Despite posting afterwards 

 

Yes, that is true. But like I have said, I was fine with either getting exed. I just decided to not change my vote.

I understand that you think this means I was trying to save Burnt. I wasn’t, but that’s fine. I get that there’s nothing I can do or say to change your mind because you’ve all clearly made your minds up on this. I just wanted to make a correction to the “coco saved Burnt bc she would win the tiebreaker so that’s why she decided to make a tie” narrative.

I really don’t know how much clearer I have to spell any of this out, what are you not understanding?

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Yes, that is true. But like I have said, I was fine with either getting exed. I just decided to not change my vote.

I understand that you think this means I was trying to save Burnt. I wasn’t, but that’s fine. I get that there’s nothing I can do or say to change your mind because you’ve all clearly made your minds up on this. I just wanted to make a correction to the “coco saved Burnt bc she would win the tiebreaker so that’s why she decided to make a tie” narrative.

I really don’t know how much clearer I have to spell any of this out, what are you not understanding?

If you were fine with either of them being exed, why did you move your vote?

Edit: you’re actions aren’t matching what you’re saying

Edited March 10 by Mistfallen Soldier