Long Game 104: The Flame of Tar Valon

[Steeldancer he/him]

5 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Where was this energy last night and why does the 'no u' Elim kneejerk pushback only come when the vote comes onto you? I've made myself clear the night before I suspected you as one of the more sus of the responses to my question I received - I felt that you halfheartedly-taking it back without any firm conclusions after being pushed on your thoughts about Ajah claiming looked like you received resistance and backed away, and didn't make your convictions seem sincere.

You're my top candidate for Stilling tonight. Of course, we're at the start of D1 so maybe other people will shift.

Again:

I mentioned 6 as an absolute limit, I felt 4-5 was more realistic.

Sitters are immune to NKs and exes unless otherwise deposed. How tf do you balance for the fact that 1/3 of the game at the start is immune to exes and NKs? Sure, there's a countdown but that's also helluva lot of potential firepower ganged up there, and as a GM, I might go for a 5-team just to make sure the Elims aren't overwhelmed in this landscape.

So, on your own proposition, if I'm 'experienced enough', do you think it is then the move of an experienced E player to, from your point of view, inflate the number of Elims to a "remotely unbalanced" number, and what do you think is realistically gained by doing so?

Where was this energy last night? Nothing quite gets my brain juices flowing like MTG deckbuilding until 5am, at which point I was very much into the deep think.  Also, my main thought-energy was going towards my document. I'm not going to out my doc - mates quite yet, but they can confirm that I have been *quite* active in my thinking there. 
As for why in response to the not-vote, its because I had already been thinking about that but hadn't posted it in thread yet. So when you voted on me, it was the perfect opportunity for me to get to the heart of my own thoughts about your comments. Like I said, I'm not claiming it to necessarily be elim behavior, I just wanted to get a better idea of your thoughts. 
I still feel like 6 as an absolute limit is too high. 
As for balance, its simple. Two of their win conditions don't care about thugs. In fact, I'd say they're better off only caring about non-sitters, probably. Their best bet of winning is to rig the Amyrlin votes against us- either to get one of theirs elected, or depose one of ours. That can happen by like, turn 4? And doesn't care about firepower at ALL. All it takes is a skilled hand to manipulate the votes, that's it. So they don't need a large team to win, and if their team is as large as 5 or 6 it would make our own win condition nearly impossible, given the voting system. We only have so many village sitters. That's why I say they wouldn't be overwhelmed on 4, maybe 5 if TJ's feeling really spicy. 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

 

Too late, I already beat you to it by mentioning my Ajah-mate is Ash and I'm wary of him

I think it's fine to do both. I've been using the doc as a way to feel out the rest of my Ajah, but also conveying suspicions or anything important to the thread.

I'm starting to be very wary of TUF as well, actually. Unfortunately, Sitter, but that's something to talk about going forward into the Night.

If it's because of activity, I'm at a wrestling tournament at the moment.

If it's because I got Sitter... let's just say I didn't ask for it, but when asked if I wanted it, I said Threnody yes. I'm actually feeling pretty good about my docmates because of it. Neither really wanted it, and when I kinda pushed for one for activity reasons, they refused.

I think those are the reasons I heard you mention earlier. I'll be more activity by tomorrow, if not later today.

3 minutes ago, Steeldancer said:

Where was this energy last night? Nothing quite gets my brain juices flowing like MTG deckbuilding until 5am, at which point I was very much into the deep think.  Also, my main thought-energy was going towards my document. I'm not going to out my doc - mates quite yet, but they can confirm that I have been *quite* active in my thinking there. 
As for why in response to the not-vote, its because I had already been thinking about that but hadn't posted it in thread yet. So when you voted on me, it was the perfect opportunity for me to get to the heart of my own thoughts about your comments. Like I said, I'm not claiming it to necessarily be elim behavior, I just wanted to get a better idea of your thoughts. 
I still feel like 6 as an absolute limit is too high. 
As for balance, its simple. Two of their win conditions don't care about thugs. In fact, I'd say they're better off only caring about non-sitters, probably. Their best bet of winning is to rig the Amyrlin votes against us- either to get one of theirs elected, or depose one of ours. That can happen by like, turn 4? And doesn't care about firepower at ALL. All it takes is a skilled hand to manipulate the votes, that's it. So they don't need a large team to win, and if their team is as large as 5 or 6 it would make our own win condition nearly impossible, given the voting system. We only have so many village sitters. That's why I say they wouldn't be overwhelmed on 4, maybe 5 if TJ's feeling really spicy. 

I like this post. I was a bit iffy on the earlier one (and still am on the Kas shade them hedging the Kas shade), but I like the reasoning and it lines up with my thinking. 

[Steeldancer he/him]

Also, regarding my D1 thoughts- yeah no duh they were a bit wishy washy, I wasn't sure about the proposal. I mean, it does have its merits. Heck, at this point it might actually be a good idea to have doc mates claim their non-sitter team mate. But I also have a gut instinct to not hand out any information that I don't have to, especially in thread where the elims will learn whatever is shared. This comes from a long history of being a bit too free with information, and getting utterly wrecked because of it. shudders in the bird PM. Plus I misinterpreted the rules, and misread the post. So I feel my responses were completely in character. As for you, Kas? Currently my gut tells me something that's a bit off. Granted, I am going to give my gut basically no attention, because frankly
I don't trust my gut abilities anymore LMAO. I'll wait for something a bit more concrete before I actually start voting on you.
Also, side note. Sart, you never actually explained how you got elected, just came out of nowhere after being asked about it with a post that basically was the opposite of my own (proposing a focus on non-sitters, whereas I proposed a focus on sitters) and nothing else. Why would focusing on the non-sitters benefit us the most? As I've already pointed out, our best chance of losing is distinctly tied to the election of the Amyrlin. We basically have to get it right- we need to elect a village Amyrlin and not depose her- else we lose on the spot, regardless of elim team size or anything else. Meaning for the moment, the most important thing is to try our best to figure out which of the Sitters can be trusted. And based on that, I'd say currently Sart cannot be trusted. 

[|TJ| he/him]

I realised I did not specify the voting rules - might help the new players if I am explicit but it should be obvious with all those votes on me during N0 -.-

To vote for a player you want to eliminate, state their name in red and bold. 

To unvote/retract a vote, state their name in green and bold. 

You can also simply vote for another player and your previous vote will be considered retracted. 

[Kasimir he/him]

3 hours ago, TwinStorm said:

why TUF? mostly just curious, I don't exactly have a good read on him.

Hasn't done anything in thread that IMO warrants a good read, could have been more active in doc, but is also infamously not easy to read from most players, so it strikes me as interesting his doc was willing to vote him in as Sitter. It's possible they know this, but part of the point is to push him and to find out what happens/what his team feels about it.

1 hour ago, The Unknown Flame said:

If it's because I got Sitter... let's just say I didn't ask for it, but when asked if I wanted it, I said Threnody yes. I'm actually feeling pretty good about my docmates because of it. Neither really wanted it, and when I kinda pushed for one for activity reasons, they refused.

Do you not find it odd that your docmates both seem to have confidence that you should have it? Where's this confidence emerging from?

1 hour ago, Steeldancer said:

As for you, Kas? Currently my gut tells me something that's a bit off. Granted, I am going to give my gut basically no attention, because frankly
I don't trust my gut abilities anymore LMAO. I'll wait for something a bit more concrete before I actually start voting on you.

Going to note here for 'come back to this when I'm dead' worlds that E!Steel has a history of liking to push gut votes, and that's not something I super trust either. I'll give him credit for a playstyle deviation from last game, but also feel it's interesting he doesn't seem to find it weird if he's V that his doc apparently...agreed to this as well, judging from what he's been saying.

Edited to add:

@TwinStorm - To sharpen the point, if the Sitter pool is gonna feed the Amrylin Seat election eventually, then the last guy I should reasonably want in my Sitter pool is someone who is going to be a cointoss at best for most of the game because he's not easy to read. The difficulty of reading him should also raise questions as to why the doc is willing to vote him (pocketing?)

Edited to add 2:

Welcome Aet

Edited March 22, 2025 by Kasimir

[Sart he/him]

1 hour ago, Steeldancer said:

Also, regarding my D1 thoughts- yeah no duh they were a bit wishy washy, I wasn't sure about the proposal. I mean, it does have its merits. Heck, at this point it might actually be a good idea to have doc mates claim their non-sitter team mate. But I also have a gut instinct to not hand out any information that I don't have to, especially in thread where the elims will learn whatever is shared. This comes from a long history of being a bit too free with information, and getting utterly wrecked because of it. shudders in the bird PM. Plus I misinterpreted the rules, and misread the post. So I feel my responses were completely in character. As for you, Kas? Currently my gut tells me something that's a bit off. Granted, I am going to give my gut basically no attention, because frankly
I don't trust my gut abilities anymore LMAO. I'll wait for something a bit more concrete before I actually start voting on you.
Also, side note. Sart, you never actually explained how you got elected, just came out of nowhere after being asked about it with a post that basically was the opposite of my own (proposing a focus on non-sitters, whereas I proposed a focus on sitters) and nothing else. Why would focusing on the non-sitters benefit us the most? As I've already pointed out, our best chance of losing is distinctly tied to the election of the Amyrlin. We basically have to get it right- we need to elect a village Amyrlin and not depose her- else we lose on the spot, regardless of elim team size or anything else. Meaning for the moment, the most important thing is to try our best to figure out which of the Sitters can be trusted. And based on that, I'd say currently Sart cannot be trusted. 

Are you playing to win, or are you playing not to lose? Our win condition, our only win condition, is to eliminate all Black Ajah. It does not matter whether they are Sitters or not. In my mind, this election is a distraction. Does anyone among us believe that any candidate will receive a majority vote any time soon? One of our six candidates would have to accumulate nine votes. That's not going to happen any time soon. Quite frankly, I don't want the Seat to be elected. Period. What benefit does it give us? We receive a single cycle where we have a confirmed good player with an extra vote. The Black Ajah though? They get several opportunities to win outright. And even if we successfully avoid the worst case, they get a free kill on the Seat as they get removed. My goal for the election is to prolong it as long as possible. I would suggest outright ties every cycle, but I find that unrealistic. As we nominate, there will naturally be a close race. Untrustworthy Sitters will be Stilled, moving them into the pool of suspects. This battle, in the day, is our only way to win.

You ask how I was elected. Let me be clear. It was pure inactivity. Only one person actually voted, and I presume they voted for me because I rambled for a bit in the doc at the start of the Night. There was tentative discussion of going to random chance, but I missed rollover and did not vote. Perhaps a poor way to be elected, but I'm trying to make the most of it.

 

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

25 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Do you not find it odd that your docmates both seem to have confidence that you should have it? Where's this confidence emerging from?

I think it was less confidence in me, and more lack of confidence in themselves. I think my comparative experience was a factor as well. 

27 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

@TwinStorm - To sharpen the point, if the Sitter pool is gonna feed the Amrylin Seat election eventually, then the last guy I should reasonably want in my Sitter pool is someone who is going to be a cointoss at best for most of the game because he's not easy to read. The difficulty of reading him should also raise questions as to why the doc is willing to vote him (pocketing?)

I mean, do you really think I have a very high chance of being elected? I'm fully expecting to be stilled.

I'm curious why you think me being hard to read is well known? I am, and you pretty much know the trick of it, but I don't think it's particularly well known. Especially considering the returning and new player heavy make up of this game.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

40 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Hasn't done anything in thread that IMO warrants a good read, could have been more active in doc, but is also infamously not easy to read from most players, so it strikes me as interesting his doc was willing to vote him in as Sitter. It's possible they know this, but part of the point is to push him and to find out what happens/what his team feels about it.

Do you not find it odd that your docmates both seem to have confidence that you should have it? Where's this confidence emerging from?

Going to note here for 'come back to this when I'm dead' worlds that E!Steel has a history of liking to push gut votes, and that's not something I super trust either. I'll give him credit for a playstyle deviation from last game, but also feel it's interesting he doesn't seem to find it weird if he's V that his doc apparently...agreed to this as well, judging from what he's been saying.

Edited to add:

@TwinStorm - To sharpen the point, if the Sitter pool is gonna feed the Amrylin Seat election eventually, then the last guy I should reasonably want in my Sitter pool is someone who is going to be a cointoss at best for most of the game because he's not easy to read. The difficulty of reading him should also raise questions as to why the doc is willing to vote him (pocketing?)

Edited to add 2:

Welcome Aet

Fair, that makes sense.

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Flame said:

I think it was less confidence in me, and more lack of confidence in themselves. I think my comparative experience was a factor as well. 

I mean, do you really think I have a very high chance of being elected? I'm fully expecting to be stilled.

I'm curious why you think me being hard to read is well known? I am, and you pretty much know the trick of it, but I don't think it's particularly well known. Especially considering the returning and new player heavy make up of this game.

why do you think you'll be stilled?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, TwinStorm said:

Fair, that makes sense.

why do you think you'll be stilled?

I doubt I'll pick up votes due to not being super out there, which puts me in the stilling roulette wheel.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 minute ago, The Unknown Flame said:

I doubt I'll pick up votes due to not being super out there, which puts me in the stilling roulette wheel.

hmm

I guess that's fair

[Mark IV he/him]

@|TJ| (Tagging GMs for questions is still a thing, right? )

The Amrylin election and deposition is to be voted on by all the players alive in game, right? The rules do say "player" but I just want to double check. Because I was under the impression it was only the Hall of the Tower (i.e. the sitters) based on the books. My fault, I admit, but I just want to confirm. 

20 hours ago, KelsierApologist said:

I’d like to bring to y’all’s attention a post by @Mark IV at the end of last cycle

I honestly think this is a great idea. How does everyone feel about pair claiming?

Wasn't me that brought up the idea of pair claiming. Was Ash, I think. Unless you're referring to the reasoning. Idk if I was the first with the core reasoning, but eh
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20 hours ago, BridgeBoi said:

I’m fine with Ajah claiming. Otherwise negotiations and investigations are too weird and hard. 

Do you have any kind of negotiations in mind? I don't necessarily see Ajah membership being too decisive/relevant except in very specific/niche scenarios.
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13 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Woke up with a migraine and need to take meds. Won't be good for anything in the short term. Gonna respond to one or two things and then just eat meds and conk.

My reads/rough views as of last night are somewhere in this ballpark:

Probably Village:
-Drake
-Worldhopper
-Jo? (one or two good posts.)

Null:
-Everyone
-Ash (could revise downwards; has had some good suggestions but distrust how Ash had zero hesitation about backing our third Ajah-mate.)
-Polly??? (opposite reaction to the post Jo liked, it's just ?)

Sus:
-Steel
-Terris (had a post from last night I liked but don't super recall, unsure if I'd revise to null on the strength of it.)
-TUN/Sart (mostly distrust the relative silence/nothingburgers in thread and their rise to Sitter)

Take care fren. Migraines are oof.
Okay, I'm still mildly confused - Is KelsierApologist Polly ? 
Re Terris: Are you saying you had Terris on a sus read but might revise that opinion based on a specific post from last turn

Finally, could you (re?)elaborate on your village leans on Drake and Worldhopper? I didn't really see you interact much with Hopper last turn except for a few clarifications and you didn't really agree with Drake much about anything game-related. Is your opinion of Drake based on behaviour rather than specific content? 
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9 hours ago, TwinStorm said:

[...] I don't know who to trust, but if people do start advocating for to overthrow an Amyrlin, than thats a pretty clear sign of who the elims are.

8 hours ago, TwinStorm said:

well, I'm not entirely sure, but I don't think rn we have any firm suspicions on any of the Sitters, so its a coin toss to me rn

I don't entirely agree with this reasoning - the way it reads to me is that you're saying you don't have sitter reads right now and you're projecting that lack of information to a future (hypothetical) cycle where we have elected an Amyrlin and saying that someone pushing to depose an Amyrlin is clearly doing it for an ulterior motive (because of the projected lack of reads) and so is likely an elim?

I know you and Kas already talked on this, and I can imagine this opinion might be based on a misunderstanding of the rules, so I'm not reading into it either way. But I do want to know what your opinion is now
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On the subject of Amyrlins -

I think I'd say I agree with Sart here, and am basically echoing him but I also think we should ignore the Amyrlin election entirely. I feel like the sitter nomination/immunity and Amyrlin election mechanics mostly tip the balance more towards the elims. 

(Echoing Sart again) Electing an Amyrlin is a lylo (lynch or lose) sort of situation. In the event of an Amyrlin being elected, the village is forced to form a consensus on whether to depose the Amyrlin. Deposing a v!Amyrlin or retaining an e!Amyrlin is game over. And the payoff is really not worth it - we either just catch an elim or get an all doc seeing player, for docs that were 3 players each anyway, so not that private.
Personally, I'm glad I can't become Amyrlin because I can't imagine reading and parsing 5 other Ajah docs. WITHIN ONE CYCLE !! 

Coming to the sitter mechanic - I disagree with Kas here (and agree with Steel) that the sitter mechanic basically acts as protection for BA members.

• Sitter elections were made N0, with limited analysis. That means we have little to no reason to assume any sitter is more likely to be village.
• Each BA sitter makes the BA more stronger than each village sitter makes the village stronger (I'm comparing the marginal utilities of a BA/non BA sitter for the BA/village respectively, if that makes sense). All the BA need to do is get 1 or even, burn the light, 2 sitters in and it'll be extremely difficult to get them out. The only good scenario for the village is all 6 sitters being village. Which feels somewhat unlikely to me. Or at least optimistic at best.

Given both these points, the nominations just feel like additional mechanics we're gonna have to dismantle to be able to win as village. As someone else pointed out - the only way the village wins is by voting out the BA. The amyrlin is irrelevant and the sitters only dilute the power of the day vote. (And I don't think we're gonna use Amyrlin deposing as a lynch, at any rate ) Could we? O.o
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5 hours ago, Steeldancer said:

Also, regarding my D1 thoughts- yeah no duh they were a bit wishy washy, I wasn't sure about the proposal. I mean, it does have its merits. Heck, at this point it might actually be a good idea to have doc mates claim their non-sitter team mate. But I also have a gut instinct to not hand out any information that I don't have to, especially in thread where the elims will learn whatever is shared. This comes from a long history of being a bit too free with information, and getting utterly wrecked because of it. shudders in the bird PM. Plus I misinterpreted the rules, and misread the post. So I feel my responses were completely in character. As for you, Kas? Currently my gut tells me something that's a bit off. Granted, I am going to give my gut basically no attention, because frankly
I don't trust my gut abilities anymore LMAO. I'll wait for something a bit more concrete before I actually start voting on you.
Also, side note. Sart, you never actually explained how you got elected, just came out of nowhere after being asked about it with a post that basically was the opposite of my own (proposing a focus on non-sitters, whereas I proposed a focus on sitters) and nothing else. Why would focusing on the non-sitters benefit us the most? As I've already pointed out, our best chance of losing is distinctly tied to the election of the Amyrlin. We basically have to get it right- we need to elect a village Amyrlin and not depose her- else we lose on the spot, regardless of elim team size or anything else. Meaning for the moment, the most important thing is to try our best to figure out which of the Sitters can be trusted. And based on that, I'd say currently Sart cannot be trusted. 

Emphasis mine

1. I mean, the docs are the PMs in this game. And very likely compromised anyway. I understand where your gut feel is coming from, but I feel like you've got the situation turned around in this respect? 
2. I know Sart already responded to this, but I just wanted to point out (And Sart, correct me if I'm wrong) - I don't think Sart was advocating looking at non-sitters specifically. He was getting an inactive/quiet player to talk, regardless of sitter/non-sitter (I mean, I don't know why he chose Exp specifically, so this is just a guess based on my read of the in character call out)
   1. On that topic, I feel like it's equally important (or maybe more so) to focus on the players with actual immediate stakes in the game. A sitter is bound to be more relaxed about their status and so, an elim is unlikely to be pressured into action if an e!Sitter is under fire. Compare that to a non-sitter elim under fire and we're more likely to see elims overplay their hands to save teammates under threat. 
   2. Add to that this is a day cycle and we finally need to vote for a non-sitter and I can make Sart's post make sense to me

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Joe asked me whether I'm still inclined toward pair claiming - on a rethink, and after realising that all Ajah abilities are either passive or once per game active abilities (and given my new opinions on the sitter/election mechanics), I'm not too sure taking over an Ajah is really a priority for the elims, (last minute thought: except to prevent stilling). 

Personally, I'm leaning somewhat toward v!Sart. I agree strongly with the post about being against electing an Amyrlin and I feel like elims would push for the elections to be a more central/active mechanic in this game, given its ties with their win cons. 
Again, I had a village gut read on Steel, but I don't remember why anymore so Steel, you're in the same camp as Jo now. Sorry

On a reread, I notice that most Ajah abilities are to do with preventing or hastening stilling (White and Grey being the exceptions; Green being the only hastening ability). I'd be up for using the Green Ajah ability to still one sitter early game. Maybe N1 or N2. 

I'm essentially leaning toward dismantling both the sitter and Amyrlin mechanics, I guess, and approaching the game as a less role focused game. The important part with the factions - the Sitter nominations - is already done anyway.

Also, I'm now realising that I myself don't have reads on non-sitters yet. Oops 
Guess I'll do that tomorrow now. 

It is late now, I should sleep. Some parts of my post are a little rambling, so if something seems circular, contradictory or unclear, feel free to ask
Guess I'll actually look into forming some actionable reads once I go over the thread after waking up tomorrow

Edit:
Also, why are some people saying we'd have to engineer ties for the Amyrlin vote? We just have to make sure we don't hit majority.

@|TJ| Will the Amyrlin election happen through public voting? Or will the votes be private?

Edit 2:
What do other people think about dismantling the Amyrlin/Sitter mechanics? I'm not too sure TJ would be too happy about it  (If we could even pull it off )

Edited March 22, 2025 by Mark IV
Unspoilered a quote; Addendum

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

11 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

I'm essentially leaning toward dismantling both the sitter and Amyrlin mechanics, I guess, and approaching the game as a less role focused game. The important part with the factions - the Sitter nominations - is already done anyway

This was about my assessment in committee, but I don't like it. I want to interact with the central mechanic of the game. Plus, we're more likely to elect a v!Amyrlin than an e! one. 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

19 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

Is KelsierApologist Polly ? 

Yup! kelsieraPOLLYgist

24 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

On a reread, I notice that most Ajah abilities are to do with preventing or hastening stilling (White and Grey being the exceptions; Green being the only hastening ability). I'd be up for using the Green Ajah ability to still one sitter early game. Maybe N1 or N2. 

This is really weird to me Mark. Your whole post seems to imply that you want to delay the Elevation of a Sitter to the Amrylin Seat. I agree with that. But then you express mild support for using the Green Ajah ability to accelerate the inevitable Elevation. Would it not be better to convince the Green Ajah to never use their ability? Using it removes one of the cycles we can spend executing a Black Ajah.

24 minutes ago, Mark IV said:

What do other people think about dismantling the Amyrlin/Sitter mechanics? I'm not too sure TJ would be too happy about it  (If we could even pull it off )

What do you even mean dismantling the mechanics? From an RP perspective, I'm all for it. Decentralize the power! From an actual mechanical game perspective, my understanding of the rules is that there's simply no way to do that. One Sitter will be stilled every Night, no matter what we do. There is nothing we can do to prevent a Stilling, all we can do is work to delay the Elevation. Hence, we absolutely shouldn't use the Green Ajah ability.

@SartHas your Ajah had any conversations about how your ability? We in Yellow haven't discussed ours much, though I'm trying to change that. I'm personally considering just committing to not using our ability, as I don't see a way for it to be particularly useful, unless the three of us all truly believe we aren't infiltrated.

[Aeternum]

Hello! I'm likely going to be taking this game fairly light.

I tend to use a lot of heavy terminology that basically no one here understands, so if any of my many confusing terms (that I'll try to remember to not use) are confusing to you, feel free to @ me with many question marks. I apologize in advance for when I inevitably forget 

If you aren't already aware, my reading comprehension is slightly nonexistent, and I have an aversion towards reading long posts, so sometimes I'll comment on something and it will make zero sense and you can refer back to this for why. (Chances are I missed the most important sentence while reading and took everything in a different context)

I skimmed through most of the setup stuff and was entirely confused with a lot of the mech talk going on while looking through thread. Mech is not something I'm good at figuring out and honestly not something I'm interested in figuring out right now (side effect of lacking reading comprehension). You're free to give me a tl;dr on the important stuff if you want, otherwise I will remain blissfully oblivious for the time being. I subscribe to "lol mech, just kill elims".

I have read (ish) through n0 and d1. Thoughts:

ThatOneWorldhopper reaction here I'd probably read as town.

this from A Jo in the Bush is a good post. I'm used to 17p games being 4 elims and I've seen 4 or 5 elims for 19p, so I would like to assume it's around there in terms of numbers. I probably wouldn't be surprised if there are 6 elims given what I've been told about balancing here.

this from Terrisman is probably town lol.

this from TwinStorm is generally wolfy (elim-y?) imo.

I really only explain things if I feel like explaining so have fun with this for now

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Current Vote Count:

Experience/Aeternum(2): Sart, Kasimir
Drake Marshall(1): A Jo in the Bush

@|TJ| Does Sart's Vote on Experience translate into a vote on Aeternum?

People! I find it scary as heck that we are 24 hours into this turn, and THREE VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST! There are 18 of us! I would hope you all remember that this is a game of Sanderson Elimination. Please cast a vote so that we have something to analyze! Currently someone who has literally never posted is due to be executed (Because they've only been in the game for 6 hours), which is not a great start to our game. There are 12 people you can vote on, and if you accidentally vote on a villager, and get them executed, that still gives us data to work with. Please vote! You probably have a 1 in 6 chance of accidentally voting for a Eliminator if you vote at random! There is also an inactivity filter that will get you killed if you don't vote! Let's not just lie down and die, let's Vote!

The Three Votes in Question:

Spoiler

 

22 hours ago, Sart said:

Now that the battlefield was clear, it was time to form a strategy. She considered attacking someone who hadn't been paying attention. That was perhaps the expected move, but it was hypocritical. She had spent too much time hashing out plans within her own Ajah. For her paranoid ramblings, she had been named Sitter. Perhaps it spoke more to her teammates taciturn nature than anything else. It was an honor, but now she needed to live up to that expectation. Staying quiet in public wouldn't work any more. Hypocritical or not, it was time everyone spoke publicly. To that end, Experience @Experience had also not contributed yet. It was time to test the defenses.

22 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

DrakeMarshall

Drake, you're actually someone I expected to become a Sitter. Honestly not sure why I thought that, possibly just because you are a name I remember/recognize? You've had interesting thoughts about mass claiming, and are in favor of it. You've stated you have a very slight elim read on xxGaea, on the basis of them not having a strong opinion directly after Kas speculated that Elims would have a strong opinion one way or the other. You never stated whether or not their defense was enough to sway you to neutral or not. Are you still suspicious of xxGaea?

I'm voting on Drake for now, for two reasons. They've posted a lot of analysis, but none of it has given me a village lean, which is not the same as being suspicious, but right now it's the best I've got. The second reason is that they were slightly suspicious of xxGaea, who can do no wrong. =P (for context, xxGaea and I are married IRL)

5 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Edited to add 2:

Welcome Aet

 

EDIT: Oh Hi @Aeternum, if you think TwinStorm is kinda Wolfy, you should vote on him!

Edited March 23, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

20 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

New question, is there an abbreviation or nickname you prefer over TOW? Of would you prefer we call you by ThatOneWorldhopper?

I mean, I've never been an acronym before, so I guess I'm honored.

Quick question: are we in the same positions as the end of N0? Am I still in the hallway, or did everything shift?

Also, when does Day 1 end?

Edited March 23, 2025 by ThatOneWorldhopper
Extra enters?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

1 minute ago, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

I mean, I've never been an acronym before, so I guess I'm honored.

Quick question: are we in the same positions as the end of N0? Am I still in the hallway, or did everything shift?

Also, when does Day 1 end?

Day 1 ends in 23 hours I think

Theoretically, RP wise, the night is over. Time has passed, and we are now in different positions. IDK though.

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

16 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

Current Vote Count:

Experience/Aeternum(2): Sart, Kasimir
Drake Marshall(1): A Jo in the Bush

@|TJ| Does Sart's Vote on Experience translate into a vote on Aeternum?

People! I find it scary as heck that we are 24 hours into this turn, and THREE VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST! There are 18 of us! I would hope you all remember that this is a game of Sanderson Elimination. Please cast a vote so that we have something to analyze! Currently someone who has literally never posted is due to be executed (Because they've only been in the game for 6 hours), which is not a great start to our game. There are 12 people you can vote on, and if you accidentally vote on a villager, and get them executed, that still gives us data to work with. Please vote! You probably have a 1 in 6 chance of accidentally voting for a Eliminator if you vote at random! There is also an inactivity filter that will get you killed if you don't vote! Let's not just lie down and die, let's Vote!

The Three Votes in Question:

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EDIT: Oh Hi @Aeternum, if you think TwinStorm is kinda Wolfy, you should vote on him!

I can't help myself, gotta make things a tie for now since one of our Grand Sitters has demanded we all vote!

Sorry Drake Marshall, I am voting you for the time being to embrace the Gods of Chance.

I'll most likely end up changing it before rollover, as I hopefully get more analysis on people--there just haven't been enough posts yet for me to really have any reads--combined with also having a migraine today, lol.

Currently, gut-read says Mark IV is suspicious--I can't quite put my finger on what is bothering me about what he last posted, but something just feels off to me.

I am also slightly suspicious of Kas rn, since he seems to be so fully be controlling the conversation this cycle and last cycle. Could genuinely be a village thing--but it could very easily be an elim making themselves very present and active in the thread to avoid suspicion--since a lot of elims tend to prefer to lurk and make minimal posts in my experience.

EDIT: Since it seems like we are mate-claiming, and my ajah-mates didn't seem opposed when I asked, me and @Teldris Anuar are part of the same Ajah~

Edited March 23, 2025 by xxGaea
I forgot to mate-claim like I planned to, oops

[Ashbringer he/him]

Alright, I am once again alive and once again have too many things to respond to!

22 hours ago, TwinStorm said:

For my thoughts, I think Ashbringer is approaching this game too analytically to be an elim, so soft village lean, but that could change in the near future.

... I appreciate it, but I also just usually play like this  depends how much I can latch on to. I'm a bit more limited in role-power than other games but analysis on detail is kinda just my thing. Well, that and kandra.

 

22 hours ago, KelsierApologist said:

I’d like to bring to y’all’s attention a post by @Mark IV at the end of last cycle

I honestly think this is a great idea. How does everyone feel about pair claiming?

Objection: this was my idea first!

I've been claimed by Kas already so not too much more thought, but I think it'll be helpful. Although as a warning, some people (me) may end up using this to speculate who elected which Sitter.

6 hours ago, The Unknown Flame said:

If it's because I got Sitter... let's just say I didn't ask for it, but when asked if I wanted it, I said Threnody yes. I'm actually feeling pretty good about my docmates because of it. Neither really wanted it, and when I kinda pushed for one for activity reasons, they refused.

... huh. How'd this translate in terms of votes?

5 hours ago, Sart said:

You ask how I was elected. Let me be clear. It was pure inactivity. Only one person actually voted, and I presume they voted for me because I rambled for a bit in the doc at the start of the Night. There was tentative discussion of going to random chance, but I missed rollover and did not vote. Perhaps a poor way to be elected, but I'm trying to make the most of it.

Well, that phrase has some success stories in elections, I suppose 

Do you know who you would have voted for, had you had the chance? (Don't say it, but I'm curious if you had one in mind. The Green Ajah in particular is one where I'd imagine the Elims have an eye on. Also Other Green Ajah, don't claim but if Sart's lying it would be really good to know before you all mysteriously disappear. But overall I like this response.)

 

@xxGaea, or @The Wandering Wizard, did you try to become Sitters? Seems like something you'd both do. (Edit: in addition to Drake, but multiple people have commented on Drake before but not these two.)

Edited March 23, 2025 by Ashbringer

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Animal cracker anyone? It's light toasted from the sacrificial fires.

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

Alkarii sighed, rubbing his temples. He had lost the wolf-man, and couldn't find Jane Steel. As he stood, up, watching the sun rise, he heard a noise. As he turned, he saw someone running past. 'twas someone with whom Alkarii had had little interaction. What was their name? Sartala? As Sartala passed, Alkarii noticed something slipping out from behind their cloak. A Black something. 

Sart! Alkarii took off running to warn the palace.

Edited March 23, 2025 by ThatOneWorldhopper

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

@xxGaea, or @The Wandering Wizard, did you try to become Sitters? Seems like something you'd both do. (Edit: in addition to Drake, but multiple people have commented on Drake before but not these two.)

Eh? Why does that seem like something I'd try for?

To answer the question though, nah I wasn't trying to get elected as Sitter in my Ajah--too much responsibility and stress tbh. I try to avoid roles that require me to be super active in the thread, since that's something I struggle with--I prefer to collect my thoughts and vibes for awhile before I post--my classmates always hate it in online discussions.

Only 2 of us voted in my Ajah--so it was rng'd between me and the person who RNG chose as our Sitter, since Teldris thought there was a lower chance of an elim being elected if we had RNG decide.

Just now, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

Sart! Alkarii took off running to warn the palace.

[remember that we can't execute non-stilled Sitters]

[Sart he/him]

12 minutes ago, xxGaea said:

I can't help myself, gotta make things a tie for now since one of our Grand Sitters has demanded we all vote!

Sorry Drake Marshall, I am voting you for the time being to embrace the Gods of Chance.

I'll most likely end up changing it before rollover, as I hopefully get more analysis on people--there just haven't been enough posts yet for me to really have any reads--combined with also having a migraine today, lol.

Currently, gut-read says Mark IV is suspicious--I can't quite put my finger on what is bothering me about what he last posted, but something just feels off to me.

I am also slightly suspicious of Kas rn, since he seems to be so fully be controlling the conversation this cycle and last cycle. Could genuinely be a village thing--but it could very easily be an elim making themselves very present and active in the thread to avoid suspicion--since a lot of elims tend to prefer to lurk and make minimal posts in my experience.

EDIT: Since it seems like we are mate-claiming, and my ajah-mates didn't seem opposed when I asked, me and @Teldris Anuar are part of the same Ajah~

Sartala stopped in her tracks. Altea's words sent alarm bells ringing in her head. Why tie the vote this early? She acknowledged that it would change, then why do it? There was no logic behind it, other than a minor pressure from Emmett. And if they found Mark IV and Kas more suspicious, why not vote for one of them? Try to get the ball rolling, and profit from the tide. And then to top it off, Altea shared information, because it seemed like everyone else was doing it? That felt like trying to blend in. She didn't want to penalize people from expressing their opinion and voting, but this seemed off. xxGaea

[xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer]

2 minutes ago, Sart said:

Sartala stopped in her tracks. Altea's words sent alarm bells ringing in her head. Why tie the vote this early? She acknowledged that it would change, then why do it? There was no logic behind it, other than a minor pressure from Emmett. And if they found Mark IV and Kas more suspicious, why not vote for one of them? Try to get the ball rolling, and profit from the tide. And then to top it off, Altea shared information, because it seemed like everyone else was doing it? That felt like trying to blend in. She didn't want to penalize people from expressing their opinion and voting, but this seemed off. xxGaea

I mean, making things go to RNG is kinda my thing, since I just do things for my own amusement. I placed a random vote to tie things for now, because I want to have more information to actually analyze and go off of before placing a real vote. My reason for mate-claiming was also because it seemed like the consensus among everyone was that we are doing the whole pair-claim thing? Is it somehow less suspicious for me to just not say anything at all? Go completely against what people have pushed for?

[Aeternum]

23 minutes ago, xxGaea said:

I am also slightly suspicious of Kas rn, since he seems to be so fully be controlling the conversation this cycle and last cycle. Could genuinely be a village thing--but it could very easily be an elim making themselves very present and active in the thread to avoid suspicion--since a lot of elims tend to prefer to lurk and make minimal posts in my experience.

That is generally a town trait and I'm not sure why you're attributing it to being an elim fmpov - is there anything Kas has said that makes you lean that way specifically? If you could expand on your read here in more depth, that would help me figure out your thought process behind this.

Thoughts on others who have been more vocal in the thread and have more presence?