Lights on Roshar

[Blue-phoenix186]

So now that’s storm light is gone what does it mean for roshar. Is there still void light?. tower light only works in the tower and I’m assuming because cultivation left there is no more Lifelight. Will retribution make his own new light. or does he just still use void light. And what does this mean for the progress of technology on roshar?.

[Nitpicking]

The text says there is Voidlight everywhere ruled by Retribution. The new Foreverstorm gives Light, just as its predecessor the Highstorm did.

[Argenti he/him]

54 minutes ago, Blue-phoenix186 said:

So now that’s storm light is gone what does it mean for roshar. Is there still void light?. tower light only works in the tower and I’m assuming because cultivation left there is no more Lifelight. Will retribution make his own new light. or does he just still use void light. And what does this mean for the progress of technology on roshar?.

9 minutes ago, Nitpicking said:

The text says there is Voidlight everywhere ruled by Retribution. The new Foreverstorm gives Light, just as its predecessor the Highstorm did.

It's not voidlight. It's presumably Warlight, or whatever Retribution wants to call it. Fused can get it through the song of prayer, everyone else can pray at midnight, and get infused spheres. I presume animals get it whenever, because they need it to live and it makes no sense for Retribution to kill roshar.

[Dreamwa1ker she/her]

4 hours ago, Blue-phoenix186 said:

tower light only works in the tower and I’m assuming because cultivation left there is no more Lifelight.

I'm assuming that Lift will still be able to produce Lifelight anyway. Now, whether she can learn to infuse spheres - unsure. If she can she is just going to be on a constant food binge infusing spheres. But I like the idea of her becoming a mysterious folk hero, that if you leave out an offering of food she shows up and performs miraculous healings.

[Isilel]

12 hours ago, Blue-phoenix186 said:

I’m assuming because cultivation left there is no more Lifelight.

 

Why would you assume that? Lift and presumably the Nightwatcher are still around. And at one point  scientists in Urithiru are sure to learn how to split Towerlight. 

 

8 hours ago, Dreamwa1ker said:

Now, whether she can learn to infuse spheres

 

She already can. In RoW Raboniel provided Navani with a sphere filled with Lifelight after Mraize had gifted Lift to her.

[The Sovereign]

Using Towerlight as an precedence, it seems likely that anyone who could use Stormlight or Voidlight will be able to power their Surges with Warlight. Once the Fabrials are configured to Warlight, then Fabrial technology should progress normally (provided they can get access to Warlight, which should be pretty easy provided that the Listeners have easy access to it and already have trade contracts in place with Urithiru).

Edited December 24, 2024 by The Sovereign

[earthexile]

I'm curious about all the human Radiants who will be living in conquered lands. Warlight is of Honor, so it does seem like they should be able to use it, but it's also apparently only going to be granted on a case-by-case basis to faithful followers of Retribution who lay out their spheres at midnight and pray. The simplest answer is that they'll be able to steal it, but not get it renewed. Meanwhile the Fused, the singer Radiants, and any human Radiants who are loyal to Retribution, will be full powered all the time. Renewing spheres nightly instead of every Highstorm will be a massive net gain in available Light. They could theoretically use their entire supply on a daily basis.

I wonder, with the new weather patterns, will there still be something like the Weeping? A couple weeks of no storm?

[Shadman306]

I think that sometime in the next 5 book arc, that Syl comes back with Kaladin and is the "new" storm that fuels the next return of the Radiants.

[Atlas333]

1 hour ago, The Sovereign said:

Using Towerlight as an precedence, it seems likely that anyone who could use Stormlight or Voidlight will be able to power their Surges with Warlight.

I don't think it's quite the same. Knight Radiants are an invested art created by two shards (cultivation and honor) so it makes sense they would be able to use the shared light to fuel their powers. 

Here are the facts as I remember them:

- Adolin says something to the affect that radiants across the world aren't able to access their powers except those in the tower. Whether this is because they can't use War light or because Retribution won't give it to them remains to be seen.

- Venli is able to use war light to fuel her cohesion after Retribution ascends whether this is because she is a regal and has that connection to Odium or because Retribution is allowing her remains to be seen.

I'm inclined to think that radiants can't use War light even if they had access to it, but it could go either way. I might have to look back in Rhythm of War for clues. We know that Venli can nearly any light (storm, void, and I'm sure war) because of her regal form, but kaladin does some weird stuff at the end. Does he use a light other than stormlight? I can't remember.

 

[Yomisma]

Urithiru is now the preserved "old Roshar". The return of the Heralds will probably be similar to the last Devastation, with the transfer of "preserves" from Braize along with the new Great Storm.

By the way, did Adolin create a new kind of light? And what will the "canned" Risn do?

[The Sovereign]

33 minutes ago, Atlas333 said:

I don't think it's quite the same. Knight Radiants are an invested art created by two shards (cultivation and honor) so it makes sense they would be able to use the shared light to fuel their powers. 

Here are the facts as I remember them:

- Adolin says something to the affect that radiants across the world aren't able to access their powers except those in the tower. Whether this is because they can't use War light or because Retribution won't give it to them remains to be seen.

- Venli is able to use war light to fuel her cohesion after Retribution ascends whether this is because she is a regal and has that connection to Odium or because Retribution is allowing her remains to be seen.

I'm inclined to think that radiants can't use War light even if they had access to it, but it could go either way. I might have to look back in Rhythm of War for clues. We know that Venli can nearly any light (storm, void, and I'm sure war) because of her regal form, but kaladin does some weird stuff at the end. Does he use a light other than stormlight? I can't remember.

 

I think we should look to Lift here; Her Surges are fueled by Lifelight and she can use Towerlight. She cannot use Stormlight. To me this would indicate to me that if you have the Connection to access one of the Lights that makes up a Combination Light, then you can use the combination Light. With that said, Lift is weird and the normal rules don't apply to her could absolutely be in play here. Regarding Venli, we know she can fuel her Surges with Stormlight, Voidlight, and Warlight. Regarding Kaladin when do you mean? At the end of RoW while fighting Lesian? His Eyes glow Gold/Red due to a connection to Odium, but he is definitely using Stormlight there. Or do you mean at the end of WaT? In that case he swears the 5th Ideal and the uses the burst of Stormlight from the swearing to fuel Nightblood for Szeth.

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

@Blue-phoenix186 If you didn't know, the titles of new topics can be seen from the home page of the site, so we want to keep the titles of posts non-spoilery. I've gone ahead and changed the title of this topic.

[Blue-phoenix186]

3 hours ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

@Blue-phoenix186 If you didn't know, the titles of new topics can be seen from the home page of the site, so we want to keep the titles of posts non-spoilery. I've gone ahead and changed the title of this topic.

Oh sorry I didn’t know my bad

 

[Treamayne]

10 hours ago, The Sovereign said:

She cannot use Stormlight.

Technically speaking, we do not know this. We only know she cannot drain Stormlight from Spheres like other Radiants due to metabolising food directly into Lifelight. We have not seen her have a chance of using Stormlight acquired another way (like during a Highstorm, as Kal did).

That said, I agree with you. I expect that Radiants with Connection to Honor's Light will be able to use the Hybrid Warlight - if they can get access to it. I also expect that, like Towerlight, it will be harder to hold, and lost much more quickly without a valid Connection to the other half (like Venli). Ostensibly, Jaxlim will be the litmus test - since being with the Listeners she will have access to Warlight, but without a voidspren in her Gemheart, she will only have Connection to Honor.

[The Sovereign]

On 12/24/2024 at 9:36 PM, Treamayne said:

That said, I agree with you. I expect that Radiants with Connection to Honor's Light will be able to use the Hybrid Warlight - if they can get access to it. I also expect that, like Towerlight, it will be harder to hold, and lost much more quickly without a valid Connection to the other half (like Venli).

I hadn't even considered that the partial connection to a Hybrid light being the cause for the light to drain out so quickly. This seems obviously correct to me now. As we have seen with higher Ideal Radiants, the stronger the Connection, the less porous the Radiant.

[MagicMaggot]

On Lifelight and Voidlight I'd note that we still potentially have Bondsmith+-level spren around for both. If the Sibling can really still get its Towerlight from the spiritual realm, I don't see why we would think it impossible for the Nightwatcher or BAM to get their own lights. Maybe with some help in finding their tones again, like the Sibling needed? 

[DSCrankshaw]

I think a large part of Book 6 will be establishing the new status quo, with it starting to break near the end of that book. Personally, I would guess that Radiants can use Warlight, but will have difficulty getting access to it. I find that more interesting than being completely without powers outside of locked down Urithiru. But I also think that we while can guess, based on the rules Brandon's established and the things he's done in the past, we can't actually know what Brandon will do, as he likes to keep secrets and reveal things we have no way of knowing. 

There's a possibility that we'll find out next year, with the release of the Stormlight RPG. Depending on whether it covers the time period between books 5 and 6, it may need to answer some questions about the status quo, answers that Brandon will have to approve in order to meet his goal of keeping the RPG canon-- at least in the world-building sense, not necessarily in the game mechanics sense. And I hope it does cover that time period, as that will be one a lot of people will want to play in. 

Edited December 26, 2024 by DSCrankshaw

[Argenti he/him]

4 hours ago, DSCrankshaw said:

There's a possibility that we'll find out next year, with the release of the Stormlight RPG. Depending on whether it covers the time period between books 5 and 6, it may need to answer some questions about the status quo, answers that Brandon will have to approve in order to meet his goal of keeping the RPG canon-- at least in the world-building sense, not necessarily in the game mechanics sense. And I hope it does cover that time period, as that will be one a lot of people will want to play in. 

If I remember correctly, it takes place during the True desolation. Or at the  very least one adventure talks about how taln's blade was stolen.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Argenti
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[DSCrankshaw]

6 hours ago, Argenti said:

If I remember correctly, it takes place during the True desolation. Or at the  very least one adventure talks about how taln's blade was stolen.

That's what is covered by the adventure, sure. However, the purpose of a campaign book (such as the Worldbook) is to give the GM enough information to create their own adventures, which means they'll need more than the information in that one adventure book. It's very common for RPG campaign books to cover more than one time period. For example, the Mistborn RPG is supposed to cover both Era 1 and Era 2. So assuming that the Stormlight RPG covers more than the few years covered in the books--which it hopefully will, as campaigns can easily stretch over a longer time period--I'm hoping they'll give us more to work with. Obviously, they can't tell us what happens during and after the second arc, but there's a ten year time period before then that would be great to adventure in. 

Edited December 27, 2024 by DSCrankshaw