Long Game 101: The Edge of Empire

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Because Kas has cursed me for my hubris and my work is never finished

[Ashbringer he/him]

In effort of me remembering to do more than simply RP, I shall follow Xino onto RoyalBeeMage.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

I don't think I like that we've stacked both existing votes up to two already. Feels off. I guess we are in the last quarter of the cycle, but it still feels off.

I also don't like that I'm one of those but what can you do.

[Ashbringer he/him]

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

I don't think I like that we've stacked both existing votes up to two already. Feels off. I guess we are in the last quarter of the cycle, but it still feels off.

I also don't like that I'm one of those but what can you do.

I can unstack my vote if you'd like 

[Aeternum]

14 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

I don't think I like that we've stacked both existing votes up to two already. Feels off. I guess we are in the last quarter of the cycle, but it still feels off.

I also don't like that I'm one of those but what can you do.

Well, ideally thread was more active and RVS would've been over quite some time ago. But alas, that didn't happen, so here we are. RVSing with less than a day left.

[Kasimir he/him]

Captain's Bulletin

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• The doc remains regardless of what happens to the Lieutenant.

Security Watchlist

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The Unknown Order (2): Aeternum, Coffeecat
RoyalBeeMage (2): Xinoehp512, Ashbringer

Anyone encountering the named suspects is encouraged to bring them in to Security in Sector Smokestone-Ten-Alpha for a security debriefing.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Alright let's get down to business. To defeat the huns.

My current vote is for Aeternum.

Why I'm not voting on TUO or RBM:

• The day has been remarkably low tempo thus far. I realize that "nobody's defending this person" has IKYK, but I'd contend that this is a situation that's far less susceptible to IKYK: more than just a lack of overt defense, the current state of the vote feel downright apathetic, and that's a lot harder to fake imo. I think the most likely explanation is that TUO and RBM are just both village, and I'll run with that for now. Given the pacing of the game, it is likely that this issue should be revisited tomorrow.

Why I'm voting for Aeternum:

• I find the contents of our PM suspicious. While I can respect not wanting to exchange information in PMs, the way they went about it rubs me the wrong way. If you'll forgive a bit of history, I think LG96 is relevant here. I PMed a bunch of people asking for info in that game, and elim!TJ very quickly shaded me for it. Contrast with village!Archer in the same game, who a little later on turned down a scheme that would definitely have given the village more information, but did it in a way that was quite villagery. Or contrast with the many villagers who told me to get lost when I asked for their private information but didn't try to spin that into shade, I guess.
• I have feelings:tm: about this post. Like, on the one hand, this is kinda undermining previous votes and telling us not to read too much into it, which feels like deflecting responsibility. On the other hand, it demonstrates an awareness of the problem with the TUO and RBM wagons, but very little interest in fixing it.
• It's not really a big deal, but Aet pushing back on my theorizing the A-names are evil is very slightly noteworthy. Or at least, neither of the other A-players apparently felt the need to do so anywhere. If we treat this like a really crummy bargain-bin reaction test, Aet is more defensive than the norm. But this point is caveated because it might just be that Aet is more active than those other people, and I'd really rather not suspect somebody for being active in the thread. (I will note though that I somewhat expected it would get a little bit of a rise out of evil!Aeo and the absence of any such reaction is a bit noteworthy, although it might boil down to playstyle changes on Aeo's part ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

discuss

edit: If I had to pick between TUO and RBM, I think I'd choose RBM at the moment.

However, I reiterate that I'd currently prefer neither of those options. I think the most likely is that neither of those are hits.

[Aeoryi she/her]

Aeternum

I'm teamed with Drake Guys

3 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

In effort of me remembering to do more than simply RP, I shall follow Xino onto RoyalBeeMage.

Future note: Ash/Xino pairing? Maybe e/e?

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

2 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

I'm teamed with Drake Guys

wow same hat!

[CadCom he/him]

Wait I'm having trouble doing math. When does this cycle end in MST?

Sorry just getting on now. Had a weird weekend. 

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, CadCom said:

Wait I'm having trouble doing math. When does this cycle end in MST?

Sorry just getting on now. Had a weird weekend. 

I don't know if this helps but Google tells me it's 0930hrs MST?

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I don't know if this helps but Google tells me it's 0930hrs MST?

Tis correct I believe. 

It's 10:30 for me and I'm one hour above MST now.

I'm tempted to self pres, but I'll trust my animal cracker sacrifices are up to date.

Dii Felicis et Fors Decernite Fatum nostrum!

[CadCom he/him]

Ok so catching up.... 

From my memory, it's always pretty hard to read into any D1 action on D1. (Especially when you rarely start PMs like me)There's just too much randomness, and too much the elims know compared to the village.

IRL I should be able to wake up before rollover, so when I wake up, I'll catch up on votes, depending on which side of the bed I wake up on ill see if we need a vote to prevent vote manipulation from happening, or to allow it to happen, and try to vote accordingly. 

Here's to me not sleeping in. 

[Aeternum]

3 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I find the contents of our PM suspicious. While I can respect not wanting to exchange information in PMs, the way they went about it rubs me the wrong way. If you'll forgive a bit of history, I think LG96 is relevant here. I PMed a bunch of people asking for info in that game, and elim!TJ very quickly shaded me for it. Contrast with village!Archer in the same game, who a little later on turned down a scheme that would definitely have given the village more information, but did it in a way that was quite villagery. Or contrast with the many villagers who told me to get lost when I asked for their private information but didn't try to spin that into shade, I guess.

Is it not a normal reaction to be hesitant to share role info? I suppose there's no anticlaim, so I don't have to worry about that. But if I'm trusting everyone running around asking me for my role, there's a chance an elim can easily sneak in there, learn my role and determine if my role is a big threat or not, since I imagine some roles the elims would prefer to kill over others. And also, I tend to claim my PR early under even a bit of pressure, and I'm currently working on not doing that. I will not claim my role in thread, and you can have fun watching my role flip because I will say I randed a pretty nice role for town.

(Edit) And yes I will shade you for that being the first thing you ask me. Rolefishing bad, especially if I do not townread you. I don't.

I will say that you pushing me here is frustrating because I am the only person who seems to be actually playing, other than you. Respectfully.

3 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I have feelings:tm: about this post. Like, on the one hand, this is kinda undermining previous votes and telling us not to read too much into it, which feels like deflecting responsibility. On the other hand, it demonstrates an awareness of the problem with the TUO and RBM wagons, but very little interest in fixing it.

There is a grand total of 2 pages in this entire game. I would say this right now is breaking us out of RVS, but until then it is indeed RVS because no one showed up during half of the day cycle. We have effectively allowed the elims to gain an upper hand already by not using our day time to try to find elims, socalize, and make reads. So we're already behind, which is unfortunate. I have zero reads and it's almost EoD. People need to come socialize with me smh smh.

3 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

It's not really a big deal, but Aet pushing back on my theorizing the A-names are evil is very slightly noteworthy. Or at least, neither of the other A-players apparently felt the need to do so anywhere. If we treat this like a really crummy bargain-bin reaction test, Aet is more defensive than the norm. But this point is caveated because it might just be that Aet is more active than those other people, and I'd really rather not suspect somebody for being active in the thread. (I will note though that I somewhat expected it would get a little bit of a rise out of evil!Aeo and the absence of any such reaction is a bit noteworthy, although it might boil down to playstyle changes on Aeo's part ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

I think your A name theory was weird at best, wolfy at worst. Why would you randomly drop in and go "lol maybe A names are all non town"? That just feels insanely agenda'd to me.

Anyways I don't feel like self-pressing so I'll swap to Ashbringer. Come do something noteworthy.

(Edit) It's EoD in less than 12 hours, I think. I have no doubt that no one is actually going to read this because I'm pretty sure a lot of us are a timezone that should be asleep right now.

Oh well. At least I tried.

Edited July 22, 2024 by Aeternum

[Ashbringer he/him]

33 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Anyways I don't feel like self-pressing so I'll swap to Ashbringer. Come do something noteworthy.

(Edit) It's EoD in less than 12 hours, I think. I have no doubt that no one is actually going to read this because I'm pretty sure a lot of us are a timezone that should be asleep right now.

Oh well. At least I tried.

Emphasis on "should" 

Although I really should, true

What's noteworthy? I'd like to think I've done more noteworthy things than RBM so far.

[Aeternum]

17 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Emphasis on "should" 

Although I really should, true

What's noteworthy? I'd like to think I've done more noteworthy things than RBM so far.

For real, I should be asleep too.

The reason I picked you is because you've posted (idk if RBM actually has) and you voted. Plus I remembered your posts, compared to everyone else. And you happened to be awake, so that worked out for me

Shading RBM here is a terrible look imo fwiw. Speaking of which,

@RoyalBeeMage can you unfreeze and come post

Since I may as well get all my thoughts out while I still can, I think TUO looking to self-pres is >rand wolf (I think that's right?) imo.

Edited July 22, 2024 by Aeternum
Mobile formatting smh

[Ashbringer he/him]

26 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Shading RBM here is a terrible look imo fwiw. Speaking of which,

?

RBM has made one post, and it’s in French. I’m pretty comfortable leaving my vote there.

[Aeternum]

7 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

?

RBM has made one post, and it’s in French. I’m pretty comfortable leaving my vote there.

Oh, I was under the impression he hadn't posted yet whoops, shading a zero poster is pretty bad. He has all of one NAI post, which is barely better. So, I still find the wording of what you said to be ??? considering how defensive it comes off to me. Like "yeah but look at this guy he's got one post, why aren't you voting him" was how it came off to me, which feels very defensive in a way I dislike.

Edit: I'm not saying he's a bad vote. I'd rather vote someone who's more likely to give me more information than someone who's effectively not doing anything. If anything, I think it's perfectly fine to vote there, and he is possibly within his wolf meta by being nonexistent here (I'd have to check). I placed my vote with the intention of hopefully starting more discussion, as well (I'm bored and don't want to sleep).

You voting also gives more information if you were to flip elim vs RBM flipping elim since he's hasn't done anything AI. Part of why I am not voting there right now.

Edited July 22, 2024 by Aeternum

[Ashbringer he/him]

Maybe just a difference in style, then. I like getting inactives out early. Less likely to burn us later, and Elim/wolf metas tend to be more inactive. I also am a bit more proactive about self-defense, because I’ve gotten exed a lot from me not doing that. I’m a bit of a lategame player.

But also, IMO, voting for someone in hopes of stirring discussion and voting for someone in hopes that they do something are fairly different goals.

[Aeternum]

2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Maybe just a difference in style, then. I like getting inactives out early. Less likely to burn us later, and Elim/wolf metas tend to be more inactive. I also am a bit more proactive about self-defense, because I’ve gotten exed a lot from me not doing that. I’m a bit of a lategame player.

But also, IMO, voting for someone in hopes of stirring discussion and voting for someone in hopes that they do something are fairly different goals.

That's a good point. It is easy for wolves to push inactive town and get easy mis-eliminations. I guess that's a bit WIFOM-y, but it is better than having to waste town KP on inactives, or have to resolve those slots later into the game. Pretty sure me voting RBM right now is self-pressing, but we'll go with Ashbringer if that's the right shade of green. You say you're a lategame player and I'm willing to believe that.

Well I was hoping you'd come talk to me , which does mean you would be doing something and it would be starting a discussion.

If RBM shows up, I might self-pres because I don't want to waste possibly a strong town PR. Off we go to check if I'm expendable or not, smh.

[Kasimir he/him]

Security Watchlist

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The Unknown Order (1): Coffeecat
RoyalBeeMage (2): Xinoehp512, Ashbringer
Aeternum (2): DrakeMarshall, Aeoryi

Anyone encountering the named suspects is encouraged to bring them in to Security in Sector Smokestone-Ten-Alpha for a security debriefing. 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

2 hours ago, Aeternum said:

Is it not a normal reaction to be hesitant to share role info? I suppose there's no anticlaim, so I don't have to worry about that. But if I'm trusting everyone running around asking me for my role, there's a chance an elim can easily sneak in there, learn my role and determine if my role is a big threat or not, since I imagine some roles the elims would prefer to kill over others. And also, I tend to claim my PR early under even a bit of pressure, and I'm currently working on not doing that. I will not claim my role in thread, and you can have fun watching my role flip because I will say I randed a pretty nice role for town.

(Edit) And yes I will shade you for that being the first thing you ask me. Rolefishing bad, especially if I do not townread you. I don't.

I will say that you pushing me here is frustrating because I am the only person who seems to be actually playing, other than you. Respectfully.

There is a grand total of 2 pages in this entire game. I would say this right now is breaking us out of RVS, but until then it is indeed RVS because no one showed up during half of the day cycle. We have effectively allowed the elims to gain an upper hand already by not using our day time to try to find elims, socalize, and make reads. So we're already behind, which is unfortunate. I have zero reads and it's almost EoD. People need to come socialize with me smh smh.

I think your A name theory was weird at best, wolfy at worst. Why would you randomly drop in and go "lol maybe A names are all non town"? That just feels insanely agenda'd to me.

Anyways I don't feel like self-pressing so I'll swap to Ashbringer. Come do something noteworthy.

(Edit) It's EoD in less than 12 hours, I think. I have no doubt that no one is actually going to read this because I'm pretty sure a lot of us are a timezone that should be asleep right now.

Oh well. At least I tried.

But see, it's not that you refused to share role info, it's how you did it. Again, plenty of people told me to bugger off in LG96 who weren't evil. I actually think just going "no I don't think so, go bother someone else" without feeling any pressing need to justify it or distract me with shading is generally somewhat village indicative. I'll also say that while you're free not to tell me anything about your role, breadcrumbing a Very Special Role without hardclaiming is not something I place much faith in.

Does Coffeecat's vote count as RVS then, in your opinion?

Tunneling on A-names is a meme but also is it really just me being irrational when the A-names keep acting suspicious you must see it too with that Ashbringer vote, admit it, we are cut from the same cloth

More seriously, there's my outstanding read of you, and I think evil!Ashbringer is slightly more willing to lurk like this than town!Ashbringer and that the Ashbringer of this game fits the bill so far. Aeoryi is complicated but probably not actually in my sights right now.

That is all.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

edit?: ok but I want to village read Aet's interaction with Ash rn :thonk:

I agree that an RBM vote is counterproductive right now, in that it's not very informative plus I think it's less likely to be a hit than random chance due to the generally low tempo surrounding the formation of wagons today.

I don't think I agree that TUO talking about self-pressing is inherently suspicious, I'm actually inclined to give TUO some slight credit for being conscientious about the possibility of self-pres and then actually committing to not doing it (although the proof is in the pudding as they say: if TUO shows up with a self-pres vote at the last second, I would most emphatically not be amused ...but like if TUO is dipping and not showing up again until after rollover, then I'm inclined to read this as tentatively village)

1 hour ago, Ashbringer said:

But also, IMO, voting for someone in hopes of stirring discussion and voting for someone in hopes that they do something are fairly different goals.

Would you say either of those things describe your own vote?

[RoyalBeeMage he/him]

17 hours ago, xinoehp512 said:

"Jacks!" buzzed the communicator suddenly. "I need your expert opinion on something. Who among the crew is most suspicious?"

Jacks grunted. "How would I know? I don't exactly spend a lot of time socializing. And you haven't given me enough time to-"

"We don't have time," interrupted the speaker. "Just give me a name."

Jacks blinked. "<Name> (RoyalBeeMage), I suppose. But why-"

The communicator feel silent. Jacks pulled out the coin and started reflexively flipping it. Now what had the Security Officer meant by that?

A random name that was mine? Was any thought put into it much or not really?

9 hours ago, Ashbringer said:

In effort of me remembering to do more than simply RP, I shall follow Xino onto RoyalBeeMage.

Interesting about how you are going to follow xino is there any reasoning behind it? 

3 hours ago, Aeternum said:

For real, I should be asleep too.

The reason I picked you is because you've posted (idk if RBM actually has) and you voted. Plus I remembered your posts, compared to everyone else. And you happened to be awake, so that worked out for me

Shading RBM here is a terrible look imo fwiw. Speaking of which,

@RoyalBeeMage can you unfreeze and come post

Since I may as well get all my thoughts out while I still can, I think TUO looking to self-pres is >rand wolf (I think that's right?) imo.

I’m not unfreezing yet though hopefully I should be getting online a lot more for the next 2 ish irl days. Look hotel Wi-Fi is unpredictable sometimes and I still haven’t got a tourist sim yet.

 

also what’s wrong with my one French post?

[xinoehp512 he/him]

Jacks clicked the channel to the Security Officer.

"What is it?" came the voice. "Any news?"

"Not exactly," Jacks replied, his voice carefully neutral. "What's this I hear about you throwing people out of the airlock?"

There was a long pause after that.

"Where did you hear that?"

"Oh, you know. Here and there."

"You keep this under wraps, you hear?" The Security Officers voice was hard. "We can't have news of this getting out."

"If you go through with this, they're going to find out eventually-"

"Storm it, Jacks, don't make me censure you for insubordination."

Jacks grunted. "Fine. But I rescind my earlier comment. Jim (RBM) didn't do anything besides speak in a language I didn't recognize."

The Security Officer exhaled. "Very well. But I need another name."

"I don't-"

"That's an order, Jacks."

Jacks resisted grinding his teeth. "<name>(Coffeecat) I suppose wasn't exactly acting like an innocent when I spoke to them. But that's not anything more than a suspicion."

No response. Jacks stared at the communicator. 

Only thirteens, he thought.