Aredor Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 57 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said: Yeah, I'm expecting a secret third thing to happen with the climax of this book. I expect more shards to be involved in the back half as well. At least Valor. When Taravangian ascends we get this weird paragraph on the definition of Bravery which sounds a lot like a shard description. Reveal hidden contents Bravery surged through him, so powerfully he could not help but move. It was the dying courage of a man on the front lines charging an enemy army. The glory of a woman fighting her child. The feeling of an old man on his last day of life stepping into darkness. Bravery. - RoW Ch. 113 Did Valor give Taravangian a stealthy nudge here? I'm not sure why this paragraph is in the book other than to hint at Valor's involvement. Not sure what to make of it, but a planet that has constant wars would attract a shard of valor I would think. Yeah... like a stealth Shard that actually managed to do what Odium could not - stay hidden... Spoiler and survive? Imagine if Valor has been at Roshar this whole time. That would be a really cool twist. 2
The Stick Posted May 20, 2024 Posted May 20, 2024 Well, we know that Valor is decently amiable with Hoid, and Harmony thinks she is alright. So, I kind of doubt she will end up being a big villain. Also, I find it very doubtful a Shard could stay hidden in the Rosharan system. However, we do know from this WoB that Valor is name-dropped in SA5. Quote ArgentSun Tell us a little bit about Valor. What’s her Vessel like? Any fun anecdotes? Hoid once bought Tanavast a drink; are there fun stories with Valor’s Vessel? Just anything? Brandon Sanderson Let’s put this one off for just a little longer. Let’s RAFO Valor. How about this, I’ll give you one thing: Valor is name-dropped in Stormlight Five. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/526/#e16362 2
CtrlAltDepressed Posted May 21, 2024 Posted May 21, 2024 On 5/20/2024 at 2:43 PM, The Stick said: Also, I find it very doubtful a Shard could stay hidden in the Rosharan system. However, we do know from this WoB that Valor is name-dropped in SA5. Have you all read the SA 5 sample chapters? Sample Chapter Spoilers: Spoiler Hoid realizes that Odium has taken his memories, and knows that he is not capable of expanding the possibilities to find a loophole in the contract, so he says he needs to reach out to an old friend....... Im very certain that Valor is going to try to help Hoid find a loophole in the contract. Im really hoping we get to see that interaction but im sure it will be Hoid coming out of a room alone and he will say 'ah yea Sally (hypothetical Valor name) told me there arent any holes, were good' 1
MerlinArcane Posted May 22, 2024 Posted May 22, 2024 in reply to @CtrlAltDepressed Spoiler I would assume it’s far more likely to be Harmony, than Valor. Given Hoid name drops Sazed in Kal’s 2nd chapter, mentioning contacting an old friend in Jasnah’s. Spoiler "Oh, Saze is among the best. He might be the wisest man I've ever known." From Kaldin’s 2nd chapter preview 1
CtrlAltDepressed Posted May 22, 2024 Posted May 22, 2024 5 hours ago, MerlinArcane said: in reply to @CtrlAltDepressed Dang I hadnt considered that. You're probably right. Sa 5 sample chapter spoilers: Spoiler How long does it take for hoid to consider someone an old friend? Hes known saze 300 ish years which is a long time, but hoid has been alive 10,000.... Not trying to refute your point just a fun thought i had. 1
Argenti he/him Posted May 22, 2024 Posted May 22, 2024 16 hours ago, CtrlAltDepressed said: Have you all read the SA 5 sample chapters? Sample Chapter Spoilers: Hide contents Hoid realizes that Odium has taken his memories, and knows that he is not capable of expanding the possibilities to find a loophole in the contract, so he says he needs to reach out to an old friend....... Im very certain that Valor is going to try to help Hoid find a loophole in the contract. Im really hoping we get to see that interaction but im sure it will be Hoid coming out of a room alone and he will say 'ah yea Sally (hypothetical Valor name) told me there arent any holes, were good' 5 hours ago, MerlinArcane said: in reply to @CtrlAltDepressed Hide contents I would assume it’s far more likely to be Harmony, than Valor. Given Hoid name drops Sazed in Kal’s 2nd chapter, mentioning contacting an old friend in Jasnah’s. Hide contents "Oh, Saze is among the best. He might be the wisest man I've ever known." From Kaldin’s 2nd chapter preview On 5/20/2024 at 1:48 PM, Aredor said: Yeah... like a stealth Shard that actually managed to do what Odium could not - stay hidden... Reveal hidden contents and survive? Imagine if Valor has been at Roshar this whole time. That would be a really cool twist. Sa5 samples Spoiler Not to rain on your parade, but likely, it is Frost, as he has been referred to as "an old friend" many times before. Places in wobs. Spoiler Questioner So Hoid writes a letter to his old friend, was that before or after he got the bead of lerasium? Brandon Sanderson That was after he had taken that, the letter. Salt Lake City ComicCon 2017 (Sept. 23, 2017) Spoiler Questioner Are you ever gonna write a book with dragons in it? Brandon Sanderson I have, technically, already written books with dragons in them. Dragons in the cosmere... you've only heard from one. There haven't been... Frost, who is Hoid's old friend from the planet where he grew, is a dragon. And he's the person that he's exchanging letters with. Look for where Hoid calls someone "you old reptile." So, there are dragons in the cosmere. They are shapeshifters. And so you will rarely see them in dragon form until I go back and do Hoid's origin story. Then, you'll see quite a number of them. But you will also see them later on. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/385/#e12806 Spoiler VeryNiceName16 Frost seems particularly worried about Hoid getting the lerasium. Is this because he knows something about Allomancy that it would be dangerous for Hoid specifically to have, or because he's worried about lerasium Allomancy in general, or something else? Brandon Sanderson He's worried about– it's a combination of both. He's worried about what his old friend is capable of doing, because his old friend... kill God once, and y'know, people start to get worried. (Or be involved in the assassination of God.) One time, and that reputation sticks with you for a while. But also, he is worried about a bunch of different things, I'll just say that. You mentioned two of them that are pretty good worries. He has others as well. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/498/#e15735 2
alder24 Posted May 22, 2024 Posted May 22, 2024 16 hours ago, CtrlAltDepressed said: Have you all read the SA 5 sample chapters? Sample Chapter Spoilers: Hide contents Hoid realizes that Odium has taken his memories, and knows that he is not capable of expanding the possibilities to find a loophole in the contract, so he says he needs to reach out to an old friend....... Im very certain that Valor is going to try to help Hoid find a loophole in the contract. Im really hoping we get to see that interaction but im sure it will be Hoid coming out of a room alone and he will say 'ah yea Sally (hypothetical Valor name) told me there arent any holes, were good' 5 hours ago, MerlinArcane said: in reply to @CtrlAltDepressed Hide contents I would assume it’s far more likely to be Harmony, than Valor. Given Hoid name drops Sazed in Kal’s 2nd chapter, mentioning contacting an old friend in Jasnah’s. Hide contents "Oh, Saze is among the best. He might be the wisest man I've ever known." From Kaldin’s 2nd chapter preview SA5 spoilers: Spoiler "Old friend" - Sazed is not Hoid's old friend, nor does he know anything about Rayse. Hoid and Sazed only began to interact with each other through letters shown in SA, they didn't get to know each other before, Hoid was always hidden from Sazed on Scadrial. I strongly suspect that Hoid will contact Frost. They called each other “old friend” in 1st and 2nd letters and Frost seems to know Rayse from before the Shattering and was in some way involved in this. 2nd Letter: Quote He is what we made him to be, old friend. And that is what he, unfortunately, wished to become. 2
The Stick Posted May 22, 2024 Posted May 22, 2024 5 hours ago, alder24 said: SA5 spoilers: Hide contents "Old friend" - Sazed is not Hoid's old friend, nor does he know anything about Rayse. Hoid and Sazed only began to interact with each other through letters shown in SA, they didn't get to know each other before, Hoid was always hidden from Sazed on Scadrial. I strongly suspect that Hoid will contact Frost. They called each other “old friend” in 1st and 2nd letters and Frost seems to know Rayse from before the Shattering and was in some way involved in this. 2nd Letter: In addition, the deleted Hoid-Frost interlude of them discussing the deaths of Shards points to them staying somewhat in contact on big matters. Really, my issue with this theory is I sincerely doubt Frost would be willing to get involved, and Hoid is probably aware of this.
MerlinArcane Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 Yeah I have to agree now. It’s probably Frost, given the consistent wording 1
jbash Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 This is a theory that i have for S5, having not read the sample chapters. I’m curious to see what others have to say on it. If Odium wins the contest but kills the stormfather and causes endless weeping which floods Kharbranth, it would break the oath Odium made to Taravangian. This would make Odium susceptible from other shards. However, now that Taravangian holds Odium, would he be susceptible to himself? Would Taravangian be able splinter Todium? What if the Diagram saw Taravangian taking up Odium and had him make the oath with Odium over Kharbranth in expectation that Taravangian would be able to splinter a weakened Todium? If this were to happen, S5 could end with Odium being splintered and other characters (Moash) taking up splinters, and then the back half focusing on defeating this new enemy. My main concern with this theory is that Odium has been set up as the big bad force in the Cosmere and this seems to be taking him out of the picture too easily. 1
CtrlAltDepressed Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 Sample Chapter Spoilers: Spoiler Here is the quote from the chapter (at the bottom). I think it is pretty heavily implied that he is going to contact a shard. Jasnah asks if he knows anyone who is an expert. He replies he only knows one from Roshar which would have to be Cultivation and implies he will need a shards help. Also, logically, it makes no sense to me that a dragon would be more capable in helping than Hoid. After all they are very similar ages, and Frost has chosen to not engage, so may be 'behind the times' as it were. It also doesnt make sense to me for Frost to be the expert he calls since Frost specifically sent people to Roshar to track down Hoid and said in his letters that he does not approve of what Hoid is doing. Why would he suddenly change his mind in this book and perpetuate the involvement he doesnt want happening in the first place? Theres also the matter that Frost should not be able to help Hoid with this. Frost is not a shard, he is not anywhere close to a shard. For him to be proficient in finding errors in shards contracts would be a huge letdown for me. So from that I truly believe it must be a shard he is contacting. I would agree Saze does not count as an old friend yet, and given that we know for a fact Valor is at least mentioned in this book, I think its a very safe bet. Although I will hedge that by saying I think it will be off screen. 23 hours ago, alder24 said: I strongly suspect that Hoid will contact Frost. Spoiler “I need to study that contract. There might be loopholes.” “And if you didn’t see them?” She said. “You didn’t before.” “You’re right,” he said. He took a deep breath. “You’re… you’re right. We need an expert, beyond even my considerable knowledge in the area.” “Do you know any?” “From your world?” he asked. “Only one, but she and I aren’t on speaking terms. I will, instead, see if I can contract an old friend.” 1
alder24 Posted May 23, 2024 Posted May 23, 2024 5 minutes ago, CtrlAltDepressed said: Sample Chapter Spoilers: Hide contents Here is the quote from the chapter (at the bottom). I think it is pretty heavily implied that he is going to contact a shard. Jasnah asks if he knows anyone who is an expert. He replies he only knows one from Roshar which would have to be Cultivation and implies he will need a shards help. Also, logically, it makes no sense to me that a dragon would be more capable in helping than Hoid. After all they are very similar ages, and Frost has chosen to not engage, so may be 'behind the times' as it were. It also doesnt make sense to me for Frost to be the expert he calls since Frost specifically sent people to Roshar to track down Hoid and said in his letters that he does not approve of what Hoid is doing. Why would he suddenly change his mind in this book and perpetuate the involvement he doesnt want happening in the first place? Theres also the matter that Frost should not be able to help Hoid with this. Frost is not a shard, he is not anywhere close to a shard. For him to be proficient in finding errors in shards contracts would be a huge letdown for me. So from that I truly believe it must be a shard he is contacting. I would agree Saze does not count as an old friend yet, and given that we know for a fact Valor is at least mentioned in this book, I think its a very safe bet. Although I will hedge that by saying I think it will be off screen. Hide contents “I need to study that contract. There might be loopholes.” “And if you didn’t see them?” She said. “You didn’t before.” “You’re right,” he said. He took a deep breath. “You’re… you’re right. We need an expert, beyond even my considerable knowledge in the area.” “Do you know any?” “From your world?” he asked. “Only one, but she and I aren’t on speaking terms. I will, instead, see if I can contract an old friend.” SA5: Spoiler Why would Hoid need the help of a Shard for this? It's not about Shards, it's about Rayse. In Hoid's eyes Rayse did something unexpected, he changed, he grew, he behaved differently than he should have. Hoid can't predict what Rayse will do - he needs the help of someone who knows Rayse even better than Hoid. Cultivation can be one of those people, but Frost can as well, as he lived long enough and knew Rayse before the Shattering. That's the context of this conversation I think you're missing. It's about figuring out how Rayse thinks now. Hoid doesn't treat Shards as just powers, he treats them as people he knew before the Shattering. Quote “Very wrong. Rayse is a megalomaniac, Jasnah. For all his craftiness, it would hurt him to let me walk away thinking I’d bested him. In this case, he encouraged it.” Wit leaned forward and took her hand. “He’s grown. After ten thousand years, Rayse has actually learned something. That terrifies me. Because I can’t anticipate what he will do.” “Then what?” “We need to reread the contract between him and Dalinar,” Wit said. “Now.” RoW letter: Quote However, you seem more afraid of the Vessel. I warn you that this is a flaw in your understanding. And yes, Frost should be unwilling to help Hoid, but who said that Hoid will ask him for help? He can trick him. Can't he just start gloating, saying that he solved the problem of Odium to trigger Frost and fool him into pointing out flaws of his contract? Frost started to insult him in his letter from the very beginning, he might bite the hook very easily. WoR letter: Quote You've always been able to bring out the most extreme in me, old friend. I admit, it’s the weakness of this idea, now with WoB about Valor, she’s also a very likely candidate and Valor seems to like Hoid enough to miss their conversations. RoW letter: Quote I do think that Valor is reasonable, and suggest you approach her again. It has been too long, in her estimation, since your last conversation.
fievelgoespostal Posted May 24, 2024 Posted May 24, 2024 Is Brandons plan to still take a significant break between book 5 and 6 to write the next Mistborn trilogy ? If so, we are looking at probably 10 years before book 6 right?
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 On 5/24/2024 at 6:10 PM, fievelgoespostal said: Is Brandons plan to still take a significant break between book 5 and 6 to write the next Mistborn trilogy ? If so, we are looking at probably 10 years before book 6 right? Looking at state of the Sanderson from 2023 it looks like it's Mistborn and Elantris all the way down. List only goes out to 2030 though so there's that.
clowncarcrash Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 I think Dalinar is going to have a reckoning, probably something to do with Moash. One aspect of the story that's not REALLLLY addressed but I think Brandon is too conscious not to, is Dalinar needs to have a reckoning for his sins. I think we as readers can love him....but he did kill a lot of innocents. Usually this is resolved by the bad guy having a heroic sacrifice like Kylo Ren or something, its write them out of the story as heroes while not having to deal with their mess by putting them in jail for the rest of their lives. Another aspect that I think probably needs to be addressed is Dalinar's upholding of eye-racism. Even as soon as RoW, Dalinar is still in favor of holding up the racist institutions.
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