Isles of the Emberdark Reading Discussion

[MarcieIsForager She/They]

On 10/29/2024 at 8:38 PM, Light In the Darkness said:

Brandon has told us that each major system was capable of this, pretty much. We know the Scadrians will be able to do it, possibly via bendalloy &c, and Elantrians can via Aon; it makes sense that the radiants would be able to, especially since they literally can manipulate gravity, which creates the only FTL situation currently known to exist IRL. 
 

The power pack has been mentioned too - I want to remind the thread that something like a vacuum tube seems to work to hold stormlight; they were seen being used by bank exchangers in shadesmar in OB, and referenced as a very recent invention, and I think they were also one of the stormlight containers used in Lasting Integrity’s vault.

The accelaration isnt the problem its mass and im like semi sure there no at least known way rn to fully negate mass unless you possible storm with connection enough to achieve negative mass.

[Light In the Darkness]

On 11/3/2024 at 4:01 AM, MarcieIsForager said:

The accelaration isnt the problem its mass and im like semi sure there no at least known way rn to fully negate mass unless you possible storm with connection enough to achieve negative mass.

I’m afraid I don’t understand; black holes have mass. Things falling past the event horizon, by definition, are moving faster than light, despite having mass - the speed of light stops being so rigid of a speed limit when it’s the fabric of space that’s moving instead of an object in space, which is kinda what you’re doing with surgebinding - tricking space into bending in a different direction. So I think it should work, with enough stormlight, which is of course the caveat. It probably would take quite a bit.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

wat spoilers:

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One male, one female, with pale skin that looked like it had never seen the sun. Perhaps it hadn’t, considering they lived in the emptiness between planets. From the look of the delicate metal—ribbed, like rippling waves—the remaining portions of the helmets were less like armor, and more like ornament. (emphasis mine)

this is from the reading. now, we know these people are in shard plate, but they are very pale, but from Roshar, which is historically darker skinned. perhaps these people were born during the Night of Sorrows. just a little tidbit

 

[Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him]

On 1/25/2025 at 2:27 PM, TwinStorm said:

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One male, one female, with pale skin that looked like it had never seen the sun. Perhaps it hadn’t, considering they lived in the emptiness between planets. From the look of the delicate metal—ribbed, like rippling waves—the remaining portions of the helmets were less like armor, and more like ornament. (emphasis mine)

this is from the reading. now, we know these people are in shard plate, but they are very pale, but from Roshar, which is historically darker skinned. perhaps these people were born during the Night of Sorrows. just a little tidbit

 

the Ones Above in the readings are almost surely Scadrians or of the Scadrian side of the galactic conflict, so I don't think this interpretation of the description is correct. 

[Nitpicking]

On 11/7/2024 at 8:42 PM, Light In the Darkness said:

I’m afraid I don’t understand; black holes have mass. Things falling past the event horizon, by definition, are moving faster than light ...

And that's why nothing falls past the event horizon, as seen from outside the black hole. Really. If you look super closely, you can still see every matter particle that has been captured by the hole still present at the event horizon.

In relativity, nothing goes faster than C, period.

[Light In the Darkness]

On 6/8/2025 at 1:19 PM, Nitpicking said:

And that's why nothing falls past the event horizon, as seen from outside the black hole. Really. If you look super closely, you can still see every matter particle that has been captured by the hole still present at the event horizon.

As far as I'm aware of the physics, which is pretty aware for not being a physicist, that's the afterimage, not the actual Item. Otherwise, the light reflected off the item would never actually stop coming off it, which it does eventually because there has to eventually be a last emitted photon. Black holes are black, not the color of everything that ever fell in them. Therefore, the mass does enter the black hole; otherwise it would never get larger, either.

On 6/8/2025 at 1:19 PM, Nitpicking said:

In relativity, nothing goes faster than C, period.

So, no. Occasionally space does. Kind of. Or, if you'd like, it starts moving backwards in time? Because C as the speed limit applies to motion through all of spacetime, not just space? Or perhaps it shifts universes after dodging the singularity ring in a spinning black hole, or perhaps any other number of things. We really don't know and can't really tell, since we don't have any convenient ones to study.

[Nitpicking]

On 6/11/2025 at 2:37 PM, Light In the Darkness said:

As far as I'm aware of the physics, which is pretty aware for not being a physicist, that's the afterimage, not the actual Item. Otherwise, the light reflected off the item would never actually stop coming off it, which it does eventually because there has to eventually be a last emitted photon. Black holes are black, not the color of everything that ever fell in them. Therefore, the mass does enter the black hole; otherwise it would never get larger, either.

So, no. Occasionally space does. Kind of. Or, if you'd like, it starts moving backwards in time? Because C as the speed limit applies to motion through all of spacetime, not just space? Or perhaps it shifts universes after dodging the singularity ring in a spinning black hole, or perhaps any other number of things. We really don't know and can't really tell, since we don't have any convenient ones to study.

Seriously, check out books on modern black hole theory. All information about the black hole is encoded into the event horizon.

Space doesn't "move" faster than light. It can be described as expanding faster than light, but that isn't the same thing. You don't lose causality from it, for one thing.

[Argenti he/him]

July 1st??

[Nesh he/him]

A new Cosmere book in about two weeks! (Well, kind of new given the incorporation of Sixth of the Dusk as flashbacks.)

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

So, I preordered Isles of the Emberdark Ebook, and some samples came out early and I have now read the first 6 Chapters.

Dunno how much, if at all, I'm allowed to say without breaking some rule or another, but to be safe I'll put them in Spoilers.

Chapters 2, 4 and 6

Spoiler

These are just flashbacks to the original Sixth of the Dusk Novella, I can't see if anything has really changed in them or not. But either way, they're meant to just be a way to introduce new readers to that story if they haven't read the Novella.

Chapter 1

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Dusk is working in a Zoo! Well, it's actually called a park but that's boring and it's basically a zoo. With Dusk trying to scare some kids with a lecture on Deathants and how one bite will kill you within 3 steps and how they can hide in your clothes for hours if you brush up against a leaf they're hiding in.

Also, the zoo is said to be planning on a Nightmaw enclosure, which surely won't go wrong like Dusk says it will and turn into a Jurassic Park-level fiasco!

Chapter 3

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Some very interesting lore from the Loremother Frond, with the story of Cakoban seemingly being the story of how the Eelakin's ancestor found the First of the Sun and led his people there after an adventure.

A whole bunch of stuff is brought up, like a clear reference to the Cognitive Realm, a deal with a 'great winged statue' (likely a dragon), the Great Giants of Ellepi (whatever the heck those are), then a shooting star leading Cakoban to a cave to fight with the 'Monster Child of a Distant God', the Dakwara (A Splinter of some kind), then having it protect his people and it ended up serving Patji (Autonomy). The Patji apparently made the Perpendicularity of First of the Sun as a reward for Cakoban.

Adonalsium only knows how much of this is true or not, but more likely than not most of it is to varying degrees.

Chapter 5

Spoiler

A subway system with trains that have spots specifically for Aviar, which is cute.

Also, a weird man with a star tattoo trying to shove Dusk then some random woman onto the train tracks, with Dusk getting arrested by trying to stop him.

Anyway, very interesting stuff going on and it only makes me want the book more.

So very glad it's coming out next week, instead of 5 months from now.

[Argenti he/him]

33 minutes ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

So, I preordered Isles of the Emberdark Ebook, and some samples came out early and I have now read the first 6 Chapters.

Dunno how much, if at all, I'm allowed to say without breaking some rule or another, but to be safe I'll put them in Spoilers.

Chapters 2, 4 and 6

  Hide contents

These are just flashbacks to the original Sixth of the Dusk Novella, I can't see if anything has really changed in them or not. But either way, they're meant to just be a way to introduce new readers to that story if they haven't read the Novella.

Chapter 1

  Hide contents

Dusk is working in a Zoo! Well, it's actually called a park but that's boring and it's basically a zoo. With Dusk trying to scare some kids with a lecture on Deathants and how one bite will kill you within 3 steps and how they can hide in your clothes for hours if you brush up against a leaf they're hiding in.

Also, the zoo is said to be planning on a Nightmaw enclosure, which surely won't go wrong like Dusk says it will and turn into a Jurassic Park-level fiasco!

Chapter 3

  Hide contents

Some very interesting lore from the Loremother Frond, with the story of Cakoban seemingly being the story of how the Eelakin's ancestor found the First of the Sun and led his people there after an adventure.

A whole bunch of stuff is brought up, like a clear reference to the Cognitive Realm, a deal with a 'great winged statue' (likely a dragon), the Great Giants of Ellepi (whatever the heck those are), then a shooting star leading Cakoban to a cave to fight with the 'Monster Child of a Distant God', the Dakwara (A Splinter of some kind), then having it protect his people and it ended up serving Patji (Autonomy). The Patji apparently made the Perpendicularity of First of the Sun as a reward for Cakoban.

Adonalsium only knows how much of this is true or not, but more likely than not most of it is to varying degrees.

Chapter 5

  Hide contents

A subway system with trains that have spots specifically for Aviar, which is cute.

Also, a weird man with a star tattoo trying to shove Dusk then some random woman onto the train tracks, with Dusk getting arrested by trying to stop him.

Anyway, very interesting stuff going on and it only makes me want the book more.

So very glad it's coming out next week, instead of 5 months from now.

Where on earth did you find it, I'm curious?

I have the backerkit and don't have anything beyond what was released long ago.

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

10 hours ago, Argenti said:

Where on earth did you find it, I'm curious?

I have the backerkit and don't have anything beyond what was released long ago.

Just the pre-installed ebook app on my iphone. I preordered IotE, then it changed from 5 months away to barely a week away and then there was the sample available.