Mid-Range Game 64: Shades of Crimson

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Alpha.

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

46 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

Alpha.

Smart

[Mat he/him]

11 minutes ago, TheAlpha929 said:

Smart

Honestly, what is your goal here?

Because you can’t just ride this until you die. That’s gamethrowing regardless of your alignment, imo. And I know you could technically be brought back but I don’t find that a valid excuse. Like I don’t mind if you continue the bit but at some point, if you’re village, you should do something else.

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

Okay whatever 

sorry if I really got on anyone’s nerves I really just wanted to see how it would be reacted to 

so, who has claimed anything?

[Mat he/him]

39 minutes ago, TheAlpha929 said:

Okay whatever 

sorry if I really got on anyone’s nerves I really just wanted to see how it would be reacted to 

so, who has claimed anything?

DeTess claimed a blade but I think that’s it

And you’re good, I just don’t want to kill you for a bit alone  Show me you’re village. Or show me you’re not. But if all you say is that you’re evil, sure, I’ll believe you.

Edit: Also, did you come to any conclusions based on how it was reacted to?

Edited July 14, 2023 by Matrim's Dice

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

7 hours ago, DeTess said:

So, just to avoid any confusion, can you confirm the exact amount of knifes in this game?

No, sorry. My original intent was to make the rounding unclear, so I’ll stick with that.

@Amanuensis Fighters can injure the same person twice in a row. And two fighters can assassinate someone by targeting them on the same cycle.

Edit: @Archer I’ll explain what happened with the knife distro after the game. I want to limit meta-analysis based on that as much as possible.

Edited July 14, 2023 by Szeth_Pancakes

[Archer he/him]

4 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Why would you expect self preservation at this stage of the cycle from Devo, of all people? Seems like a quick way to be disappointed.

 

Well I quite reasonably looked at Devo's posts, said I agree with all of that, so why don't I trust them? I just wanted to see more from them. 

Really I've got a claims and gambits POE plus Wonko's reaction to Alpha reads as village, and I'm fine killing anyone else. Probably not Devo because there's no technical reason to, but that's why they're a mid round vote, not a final one. 

4 hours ago, |TJ| said:

 

somethings happening there with archer-devo, not quite sure. but gut evil on this response - 

because this is a non-answer. its not really a reason to vote on someone but i also don't think it is the reason why you voted on devo. archer

also possible e/e here. gut says archer is leaving room for himself to move onto someone else with the question 

It's C1 m8 

I was indeed leaving room to move elsewhere, but I wasn't being sneaky about it

Devo TJ

1 hour ago, TheAlpha929 said:

Okay whatever 

sorry if I really got on anyone’s nerves I really just wanted to see how it would be reacted to 

so, who has claimed anything?

It's kind of an old bit. A lot of people have played that card before you, and some of them weren't great to play with, cooperation-wise. I don't think anyone took offense. 

Do you have any reads of people based on how they reacted? I ignored it, how do you feel about that compared to say Aman embracing it? 

3 minutes ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

No, sorry. My original intent was to make the rounding unclear, so I’ll stick with that.

If the original intent was to make it ambiguous about whether there's 2 or 3 knives, I don't see any reason to announce the change to a range of 3 to 4 unless you're doing the 4 knife distro. 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Aman. @Amanuensis

I've been at the top of your trust pyramid since your first post, but in my opinion I haven't done anything indicative enough to earn that -- and I definitely don't think I'd done anything by the time of your first post. It seems a lot more likely to me that you're remembering that I've a bad tendency to form trust way too easily, and trying to pocket me by making me feel at ease with you. So out with it: why exactly are you saying you trust me so consistently?

[Amanuensis he/him]

10 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Aman. @Amanuensis

I've been at the top of your trust pyramid since your first post, but in my opinion I haven't done anything indicative enough to earn that -- and I definitely don't think I'd done anything by the time of your first post. It seems a lot more likely to me that you're remembering that I've a bad tendency to form trust way too easily, and trying to pocket me by making me feel at ease with you. So out with it: why exactly are you saying you trust me so consistently?

It's a read based on this post:

On 7/13/2023 at 11:17 AM, Wonko the Sane said:

Oh no, I'm not worried about too much discussion about mechanics; finding mechanical tricks is my bread and butter, and I find it generally starts conversations just fine. It's already gotten two people to softly float suspicions (of me, but I'll take it), which is a lot more information than we had at the start of the round.

My concern is that Banished players are no longer allowed to communicate with the rest of us. There are effectively three "areas" of this game players will be allowed to communicate: the thread & PMs, the Banished doc, and the Shade doc. Players in each location have absolutely no way of communicating with the other locations. I'm asking that for the time being, we limit it to two locations by not banishing players, so that the discussion remains more active.

The first paragraph reads extremely pure to me. IMO there's an fairly large amount of confidence in how easily you dismissed Archer's shading that suggests village. Would expect a rusty returning elim to be more reserved, appeasing, or defensive here, rather than nonchalantly dismiss it.

Edited July 14, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Mat he/him]

I’m pretty okay with reading Wonko village for voting someone for village reading him, especially when I disagree that there wasn’t any reason to village read him already (see: Archer on Wonko’s reaction to Alpha, and Aman’s response). Could be manipulation on his part but eh

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

Just over 2 hours left in the cycle! Make sure to get in all your actions.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

36 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

It's a read based on this post:

The first paragraph reads extremely pure to me. IMO there's an fairly large amount of confidence in how easily you dismissed Archer's shading that suggests village. Would expect a rusty returning elim to be more reserved, appeasing, or defensive here, rather than nonchalantly dismiss it.

All right, fair enough. I'd forgotten just how observant you can be for your reads. I still have a vague feeling I'm being pocketed, but I suppose my vote accomplished its objective. Aman
 

27 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I’m pretty okay with reading Wonko village for voting someone for village reading him, especially when I disagree that there wasn’t any reason to village read him already (see: Archer on Wonko’s reaction to Alpha, and Aman’s response). Could be manipulation on his part but eh

My reaction to Alpha came after Aman's first post with me at the top of the pyramid. I'm still not sure I fully agree that me have a cool head about soft distrust is a village indicator; I'm pretty cavalier when it comes to my own life in this game no matter what side I'm on, and I assume Aman has notes on me saying as much. But I'll take the response, for now.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

@Szeth_Pancakes The rules don't mention a vote threshold. Does that mean that in a 6-way tie with 1 vote each, a random one of those 6 dies?

[Mat he/him]

1 minute ago, Wonko the Sane said:

@Szeth_Pancakes The rules don't mention a vote threshold. Does that mean that in a 6-way tie with 1 vote each, a random one of those 6 dies?

I believe so. Likewise, no votes at all would result in RNG between everyone

What’s the VC, anyway?

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Assuming Aman's last count was accurate, it's now:

• Devotary (1): Ashbringer
• Alpha (2): Matrim, The Known Novel
• Amanuensis (1): DeTess
• Archer (1): TJ
• DeTess (1): Amanuensis
• TJ (1): Archer

I missed TKN's vote on Alpha, so I thought we were in a 6-way tie. Instead, It seems Alpha is going to die.

[Archer he/him]

6 hours ago, |TJ| said:

gut village feeling from alpha's claim but a very weak one, as it doesn't really feel like a reaction test. not really sure what it is, felt it alpha determined it before the beginning of the game that they were going to claim.

other stuff in the above amans post shows evidence of involved!aman, so scaling back on that evil read. its not just involved, hes also theorizing and discussing tactics to win. agreed with that the 'alpha shoot me' plan is ikyk so im confused why propose it but not really seeing the motivation for an elim to do it unless evil with alpha. could be e!aman obviously knows alphas alignment. if alpha is village, aman could be posturing because 'i am willing to die' always brings out village read on him instinctually, but ehhh doesn't really feel like it [understand detess (mild gut village for noticing the possible village appeasement attempt) to vote on this particular reason, but my gut says its not e!aman style]. more likely that they are e/e and wanted to backtrack alpha's claim for some reason and they know aman isnt going to die from nk to give alpha the village read. this feels like it has the higher probability, so need to watch for alpha-aman team in the future. 

tl;dr - if aman evil, its more likely to be together with alpha rather than without. but also reading alpha mild village. what does that say about my aman read? currently unsure :P. 

oh and the reason for your ash vote? my gut appreciates of gut-read (talking about ash's vote on devo) but really don't like him leaving the choice open to pivot to alpha later.

okaaaaay, unsure about my gut village read on alpha. im not sure if that 'we' in the quoted statement is a slip or deliberate because the 'we' is sounding a lot like an 'elim we'. 

somethings happening there with archer-devo, not quite sure. but gut evil on this response - 

because this is a non-answer. its not really a reason to vote on someone but i also don't think it is the reason why you voted on devo. archer

also possible e/e here. gut says archer is leaving room for himself to move onto someone else with the question. 

@Matrim's Dice talk to me, uninvolved/non-inquisitive/holding back mat is always not a good sign. similar to my earlier aman read - gut evil by absence. 

village - wonko, tkn, detess
unsure - aman, alpha, devo
null - jnv
evil - archer, mat, ash

edit - ninja'd by mat. so my last point is nullified, don't really have an opinion about the post. im heading to sleep now, night. 

Very disappointed that my reread of this post found less to be suspicious of than I'd thought. 

Alpha's claim did feel like them just having fun, which e!they has been known to embrace, I'll add. 

If involved!Aman is villagey, I feel like thread controller is Aman's best position to get to. He hasn't tried to exploit that obvious vacuum so good vibes

I think it's more the subtext. TJ is

-self conscious - a TLDR says you're thinking of how your posts are viewed 

-vote focussed. They twice mention thinking of how people's votes might move later, and are annoyed they might shift unpredictably

-@ ing Mat didn't feel natural. Might even be an invite to distance. I feel like I'd poke vote Mat, then shift to voting me later in the round. What does saying hey do something accomplish? 

14 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

All right, fair enough. I'd forgotten just how observant you can be for your reads. I still have a vague feeling I'm being pocketed, but I suppose my vote accomplished its objective. Aman
 

My reaction to Alpha came after Aman's first post with me at the top of the pyramid. I'm still not sure I fully agree that me have a cool head about soft distrust is a village indicator; I'm pretty cavalier when it comes to my own life in this game no matter what side I'm on, and I assume Aman has notes on me saying as much. But I'll take the response, for now.

You can factor in a slight bump for the returning player halo, which I think ends with you being in about that position on a hastily constructed pyramid 

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

Great uh

so 

I’m not sure what I thought was gonna happen, so… I’m sorry. It would be great if I could be spared, I’ll clean up my play.

So… seeing as how the elim claim thing has been done so many times, I’m not sure how well I can read people correctly based on how they reacted, since they may have dealt with it in the past. But my original reactions to how some people responded was as thus: 

Wonko gave me good vibes, pretty… constructive criticism, if that’s the right term?

Aman made me feel kinda weird. Like… I’d probably respond the same way in that context, but I’m not sure how much that helps his case, since… I’m really new.

Mat always confuses me, but I didn’t see anything wrong with his response.

And then the people who didn’t respond at all are neutral reads. With Archer getting slightly v

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Alpha.

I gotchu Alv. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Hm. I’m kinda feeling an Ash vote, but I’d like to see what DeTess thinks first. 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Well, now Aman is going to die. He might be good with that, but I'm not sure I am.

@Amanuensis, Sell me on a reason to vote DeTess and save you: why exactly are you suspicious of her?

EDIT: Ninja'd. Tell me about Ash, then. Also, I'm not sure you're getting a response from DeTess; she hasn't been on in 8 hours, and rollover's around the corner.

Edited July 15, 2023 by Wonko the Sane

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 hour ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Well, now Aman is going to die. He might be good with that, but I'm not sure I am.

@Amanuensis, Sell me on a reason to vote DeTess and save you: why exactly are you suspicious of them?

TBH I’m mostly confused about DeTess’ stance on me, and response pending, they might look more village for it. I’d probably rather convince you to move onto Ash or Devo instead. In fact, I’d probably request the village Bodyguard protect DeTess from the NK since she claimed Silver Knife.

My Ash case isn’t particularly good, however. Mostly it’s a combination of me village reading other players more than him and me wondering if the reason he pointed out why Alpha was RPing evil was because Ash knew it wasn’t true and searched for a reason. It’s not much, but it’s enough for D1 me.

Devo is based on a potential e/e with TKN tin foil. TKN doesn’t typically participate in wagons on D1, but he voted when Devo was at risk, which makes me go ‘Hm.’ That and she’s near the bottom of my read pyramid. (Mat has moved up slightly)

Edited July 15, 2023 by Amanuensis

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

8 hours ago, Archer said:

I was kinda hoping you'd self pres onto someone. Would you do me a favor and get that over with so I can think about other people? 

The not-voting-until-very-late thing isn't going to change just because I have a couple votes.

7 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I also disagree about TJ/Aman not being e/e, like Devo alluded to. 

I said TJ/Aman likely aren't e/e. Is that what you are saying?

Fine shelving DeTess until we see if she dies. That's unlikely but we'll see.

Wanted to say Alpha wasn't that new but QF 65 isn't that long ago games-wise. Did not coordinate with TKN on the vote. I don't see the point of bringing it to a tie an hour and a half before rollover with an indication that a 1 all tie is desirable. Didn't give justification for voting Alpha in the first place so looks like vote designed to be removed. TKN. 

@TheAlpha929 what do you think of the people who voted for you without bringing up why?

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

49 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

@Szeth_Pancakes The rules don't mention a vote threshold. Does that mean that in a 6-way tie with 1 vote each, a random one of those 6 dies?

Yes.

 

[Amanuensis he/him]

9 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

Devo is based on a potential e/e with TKN tin foil. TKN doesn’t typically participate in wagons on D1, but he voted when Devo was at risk, which makes me go ‘Hm.’ That and she’s near the bottom of my read pyramid.

 

1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Wanted to say Alpha wasn't that new but QF 65 isn't that long ago games-wise. Did not coordinate with TKN on the vote. I don't see the point of bringing it to a tie an hour and a half before rollover with an indication that a 1 all tie is desirable. Didn't give justification for voting Alpha in the first place so looks like vote designed to be removed. TKN.

lol

[Mat he/him]

Alpha

11 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

I said TJ/Aman likely aren't e/e. Is that what you are saying?

I’m saying I disagree with your reasoning there, yeah.

Archer’s TJ case felt weird (saying TLDRs are an elim tell is… interesting to me) but points for pushing his vote I guess. Don’t know if confidence is a tell for Archer but he’s very confident so probably not xD

I don’t exactly want Aman to die. He’s too good. That’s true for both alignments though :P. I guess he could always be resurrected? xD

Ash

This makes sense I promise