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I'm sure that it would have been when they were turned into mistwraiths, as that's when their SDNA would be changed. From human to non. From Feruchemist to non.

I'm not sure what relevance that has to my point, sorry?

Nightblood was made before the Manywar, which was ~300 years before the events of Warbreaker. Warbreaker takes place between Era 1 and Stormlight Archive. Era 2 takes place somewhere around Stormlight Archive book 6. There's 340 years from the Catacendre to Era 2. Given time for the sequel, Nightblood, to happen, plus travel time for Vasher and Vivenna to get to Roshar, Warbreaker would take place somewhere between 20 and 300 years before Stormlight Archive. So even assuming Warbreaker takes place as late as possible--20 years before SA, 300+ years before that would be before Sazed Ascends. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JJtJhHwpKdow01n2-bsT3scVvqJd6lZh4uvpNwcslv8/edit#gid=0

Nightblood was created before Sazed Ascended. From what we can tell, it's simply a chunk of Ruin floating around nearby, that Ruin wasn't aware of and so wasn't in control of.

I think if you flip the terms Investment and Investiture in your definitions and usage, that would make it easier to understand and read, and match up with the canon definition of Investiture.

Well and also, it's not a great idea to redefine canon terms. It just confuses everyone.

You've got Investiture mixed up. Investiture is the stuff, like matter and energy, fyi. Still reading the rest of it.

With enough investiture, a Cognitive Shadow can persist indefinitely. One that has held a Shard isn't ever going to go Beyond unless they want to.

I'm a little confused as to what you're saying right now, sorry?

I left out that they're a Spiritual phenomenon, btw. Not a Cognitive one. Sorry, I thought I typed it but apparently I didn't

As I mentioned, windspren, at least, are primarily PR beings, almost never seen in the CR. And they're still never seen around inert Plate. Well and people can hold Shallan's Lightweavings, and they have their own identity too. Her Lightweavings don't seem to involve or conflict with Identity. It's not just breaking down to smaller pieces, but literally a new piece grows and the old one crumbles to dust. Dalinar's gauntlet was in the hands of the singer. He said his suit would grow a completely new one, and the old one would crumble to dust. See the bit about windspren and the one right before this Covered in pt 1. ? I'm pretty sure Brandon's said that Plate isn't exactly dead, but Shardblades aren't exactly dead either. I don't know that there's anything saying that Plate is less dead than Shardblades?

The Rhythms are the Rosharan version of a Spiritual phenomenon that permeates the cosmere. For why humans can't hear them but singers can, it's sort of the same type of question as why can singers grow carapace but humans can't? It's how the story is written. Humans don't have the spiritual or genetic ability to hear them. The humans don't hear the Rhythms in the CR. They hear the beads clacking together, in what seems to be a Rhythm. It's like how they can hear the singers speaking or singing to the Rhythms, but not know what they are.

The gemstones that power the Plate are interchangable, and using them to regrow Shardplate often causes them to shatter. For a Radiant, they don't use gemstones to power the Plate at all, it just draws it from the Radiant.

But we never see spren around regrowing Shardplate, or people mentioning spren around regrowing Shardplate. And windspren, at least, are mostly physical, so they should be seen.

It doesn't explain how Plate can grow completely new parts when they are missing. Dalinar mentions the singers would likely try to regrow his Plate from the gauntlet that he had to leave behind. The implication being that they can regrow the entire suit from a single piece. And that as long as they fed stormlight to his suit, the old missing gauntlet would eventually crumble into dust. So what happens to the spren in the gauntlet when it crumbles to dust and a new one is regrown somewhere else? Or to the spren in the rest of the armor, if the entire suit was regrown from the gauntlet?

And yet, the First Generation aren't Feruchemists, so that really doesn't work. Also, we do not know if Kelsier got his face back. We only know that he has a face, and scars on his arms. The scars on his arms could be similar to Stormlight Spoilers

While it's possible that he has Feruchemy, stapling himself into a mistwraith wouldn't do anything by default. The First Generation were Rashek's friends stapled back into their bodies as mistwraiths, and they weren't Feruchemists any more. That was part of the whole point of turning them into mistwraiths.

We really don't know how many spikes Kelsier might have. At least the eye spike that connects his CS to the body, but beyond that, we don't really have any guesses. It could be one, none or twenty.

I currently favor it slightly, but I'm firmly in the camp of refusing to theorize in advance of data.

I actually didn't propose any theory? I only counter the proposal that Shardplate is made out of the lesser spren. And your WoBs there would work against that theory, too.

Whether it's really the person or a copy isn't ever going to be answered. Brandon wants each reader to decide that for themselves, based on their beliefs and philosophy. When the CS goes Beyond, anything made of investiture remains and gets returned to the cycle, just the same as if they had involuntarily gone Beyond like normal people.

Yes, Horneaters and Herdazians both have some singer blood. The Horneaters got the red hair, the extra mouth parts, and the height. The Herdazians have rock-like fingernails.

Not sure what that has to do with my point? Brandon hadn't decided on the Beyond yet. So where Vin, Elend, Tindwyl, etc, ended up could have been the SR, or something else that Shards could touch. He's since decided that the Beyond is not part of the Realms and may/may not be an actual place, but he'll never address it.

Well that WoB is from 2009, before Brandon finalized a lot of things about the Cosmere. At that point, I'm not sure that he'd decided there would be a Beyond yet, rather than just the SR.