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I guess there's nothing preventing a Shard being behind/with the Seventeenth Shard, but I don't think Endowment would be a good candidate. The fact that she doesn't think that there should be any interference would mean that sending people to other Shardworlds would be against her non-interference, if that makes sense?

@BraidedRose Probably need to change that language

I think that by the end of Oathbringer, Shallan has begun to accept herself a lot better. And that she does love Adolin, if only because he helps her identify her core self. Brandon said that toward the end, he wrote her to be much more stable than in the middle. I want the triangle to be over, so I'd prefer her to stay with Adolin. For further speculation, please use the Adolin/Shallan/Kaladin thread According to Brandon, Shallan was one Oath ahead of Kaladin at the end of Words of Radiance. Since Kaladin was on the Third Oath at that time, that would put Shallan at four (Journey before Destination/I'm terrified/I killed my father/I killed my mother). Also, if you could break up your post into paragraphs, and use more punctuation, it would be very helpful in reading and understanding it. Thanks *is tired and having a hard time separating thoughts out*.

I don't think all of the boons and curses are part of a plan. Most of them are handled by the Nightwatcher, and Cultivation doesn't intervene because she wants her daughter to learn and grow. The special ones that Cultivation takes a personal hand in, however.....

Rude, Eila.

I still think the 4th Ideal is likely to be something like, "I will forgive myself when I fail" or "I will allow others to make their own journeys."

I think he means it kind of mimicked Dalinar-Gavilar-Navani. For WoT, not specifically Arthur/Guinevere/Lancelot, but Arthur/Morgaine/Nymue/Guinevere.

Not as funny but what the heck.

Sorry, I just don't agree. Brandon makes the distinction between Rayse and Odium, as do Frost and Hoid, too often for me to believe the Shard is actually Passion. Passion isn't inherently selfish. Passion isn't "The most dangerous of all the Shards." Passion wouldn't be "the weight of God's own divine hatred." I just don't think it's plausible. Besides, we have Devotion, which is Love. Ambition, and Autonomy could also be considered passionate, in their ways. So it's Passion minus love, minus ambition, minus autonomy (self-determination)? It doesn't make sense.

Sure, it’s a reasonable inference. But it’s not (and isn’t going to be) a fact, so we shouldn’t treat it as one. /pedant

A bit of pedantry from me here: We don't know that there is a God greater than Adonalsium. There are people who believe there is, but we don't have (and won't get) confirmation that one actually exists.

Here's a thread with a lot of good evidence in it: Along with some WoBs that heavily imply Odium is the right name for the Shard: Notice Brandon is distinguishing between Odium and Rayse on the bolded part. Passion wouldn't be naturally selfish, as there are many selfless things that can inspire Passion or that people can be Passionate about. Odium will survive. Not necessarily Rayse, but Odium. Sound familiar? And as I said, 4 much more reliable beings label Odium as Hatred. Odium labels Odium as Passion. Given a choice between the two, I will believe the 4 reliable beings over the 1 unreliable one.

Hatred does everything that you described. Hatred eats all other emotions and leave you hollow, and you strive to fill it with indulgence. Ashtertmarn takes away inhibitions, he doesn't inspire anything. Nergaoul inspires bloodlust and conquest, which are tied to hatred. It's basically a berserker rage. The Midnight Mother only knows how to imitate with violence. Besides, a voluntary giving up on some sort of power doesn't always have to reflect on the source of that power. Moelach doesn't much have to do with either Hatred or Passion. The Rhythms, as I said, are corrupted by him to Spite, Scorn, etc. Given that this manifestation is the most involuntary, shouldn't *some* of them have more positive aspects, if he were Passion? They are all corrupted toward hate and spite. We also have multiple more trustworthy entities confirming that Odium is the correct name for the Shard. The only evidence that Odium is really Passion are statements by Odium himself. Which, as with when Ruin spoke to Vin, may be true in his eyes, but is likely a twisted truthin reality. Odium never inspires anything. He consumes passion, which is one of the things Hatred can do. Read how empty and drained Moash feels after killing Elhokar. That's the bitter aftertaste left over when hatred has eaten everything else.

Odium isn't Passion, imo. The only one that states he is Passion is him. Everyone else who is familiar with the Shard and the power refers to it as Odium. His touch on the Rhythms is only despite and hate and arrogance, and the Rhythms are a Spiritual manifestation not under Odium's control.

Anyway, as Calderis mentioned, I think this idea is too similar to WoT, and that Brandon would be very VERY wary of writing anything remotely similar. Also, I believe Brandon has said there is a Beginning, Middle, and End to the story of the Shattering of Adonalsium, which implies that it's not going to be cyclical.

I was joking

Rude

I suspect that if Odium were unfettered, unchallenged, whatever, he could easily send an agent to throw NB into a volcano, or bury him in an asteroid, or something like that.

Honor isn't very good at seeing the future, so I think a long-range plan, other than getting the KR back when Odium starts to move again, is unlikely. Going mad doesn't mean he didn't have bouts of lucidity. See Fuzz in Secret History

Agree with Cal there. Plus, the knowledge that they only were on Roshar because they destroyed their previous planet, Honor's ravings about how they were going to destroy Roshar as well seems to have hit home at a vulnerable time.

Sorry, I'm a little confused. What exactly is your theory for the Recreance? That the KR are in hiding?

I was hoping you'd heard exactly what he'd said. Ah well.