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This is off topic I apologize, Isn’t the spiritual realm where all investiture originates from in the cosmere, and once someone uses it the power simply goes back to the realm to be used again? The shards like Honor, Harmony, Cultivation, Odium etc they get their power from the spiritual realm also or are they just connected to it? A shard like honor can hold several thousands, millions, magnitudes more than someone like Kaladin, but all that power is filtered through and interpreted by what each shard represents? If you had Ruin could he not use his power to create but his very nature is tied to his power he just couldn’t do even if he wanted to even with his power and his knowledge, or if he did it would it diminish him or kill him? The basic foundation of every power in the cosmere originally came from Adonalsium, now that power is spread over 16 shards each with a agenda that is also based around an ideal/emotion that in turn gives out investiture to the inhabitants on their planet they think are worthy. The power they give is based around what they represent and the people they choose best embodies different aspects of this believe. Some powers and investiture can cross worlds others can’t either by being internal like breath others like stormlight can’t because it isn’t on other planets, but what if a radiant could use mist as a substitution for stormlight etc. I heard though really rare that some Returned are not of Nalthis or at least it would be possible again though rare to have a Returned not be of the planet. Calderis you said Bronze Allomancers could learn to detect the Rythms and I agree it would be very rare but throughout the cosmere since everything is connected on so many parts there is room for “Interworld Investiture Cohension.” What do you think would happen if a radiant infused some bronze with stormlight and the allomancer burned it as an example?

Well what about Stormlight doesn’t it connect to the spiritual realm?

Shallan and others might be able to use it to see in darkness like infrared vision. I just doubt one Radiant with illumination would be strong enough to produce gamma radiation.

They use the rhythms or songs as a empathic auditory communication system. They can’t use it to talk like we do, but to express emotions with each other each song represents another emotion. I don’t see why Shallan wouldn’t be able to mimic it if humans can hear the rhythms. There is the possibility that if their rhythms are spiritual or interact with that plane somehow then they would know Shallan as a fraud but so far it hasn’t been proven either way it’s all hypothetical .

Yeah that’s what I was referring to, it seemed to imply some people tried and failed an then several years later some people had learned from there mistake and suceeded. Investiture cannot be destroyed only changed like energy you can’t destroy it only changes heat and kinetic energy etc.

Am guessing around 16,000-20,000 thousand. If you factor in the last desolation happened 4,500 years ago which was the last and therefore 9 desolation’s happened before. Some happened within ten years of each other but others happened where civilization crumbled and people forgot how to make iron and steel, read and write plus Odium came apparently quite a bit after Honor and Cultivation. Then you factor in making the spren an how diversified they are plus humans weren’t native to Roshar and we know they came before the desolations even started at least a thousand or two before the first one started.

I read that before Adonalsium was shattered by the sixteen there was a previous attempt to do so years before which ended in failure, so was Hoid maybe one of the ones who tried to shatter him and failed but managed to steal a little tiny bit of his power giving him immortality.

Am a little confused about where one begins and the other ends, so are Odium and Honor and by extension the others just using the bodies of these mortals to hitch a ride kinda like a Gabriel Byrnes as the devil did in the End of Days with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Is the relationship more symbiotic where they influence each other and if so where does Rayse begin and Odium ends etc, or does bonding a shard like that change their thought patterns automatically making them exactly like the shards they bond so there isn’t real difference between the two?

Hoid predates Adonalsium being split though which does anyone know when that took place 250,000-100,000-50,000-20,000 years ago? If so what is the secret to his immortality might he be one of the people that tried and failed to split Adonalsium up before the other sixteen succeeded, but managed to get just enough investiture to make him immortal with a few perks like world hopping etc.

Is Hoid really the one true god supreme etc and Adonalsium is more like his proxy on this plane of existence? Hoid would be god and Adonalsium would be more like Jesus something similar? It reminds me of DC comics where you have Hoid who is like the Presence and Adonalsium in more like the source.

My man thanks for the info dump

Dawn usually almost always applies precursor, genesis, and alpha the beginning, and we know what shards are for the most part. I would think that either they are power of pure creation left by Adonalsium himself a fraction of a fraction, but since they are perfect wouldn’t unduly influence the possessor. The shards themselves would have no sentience so if Jasnah happened to get hold of one she herself would become Logic, so it wouldn’t be like Tanavast acquired honor but they have their own personalities or Odium and Rayse. Kaladin would become possibly Compassion etc. They would be weaker separately than Odium but with resonance become stronger enough to possibly defeat him. Adonalsium himself is either formed out of creation or he is the source of creation if it’s the former then maybe the dawnshards are what’s left over after Adonalsium is formed.

I don’t know about about destroying their crystals maybe it’s possible but not IMO likely, but an alternative would be since the listeners and singers use sound to help communicate with each other, so I see no reason why after studying them Shallan or other light weavers couldn’t mimic those songs on the battle field causing panic disorder chaos etc.

You my friend have some very interesting ideas, but i seriously doubt they could pull all that off maybe x-ray and microwave radiation. Shallan or any radiant with illumination would be dependent on how much stormlight they have available and how much stormlight the gem could hold. You also have to take into account spehere of influence. A microwave uses microwave radiation of course so she might be able to produce microwave or gamma radiation but over a very small area not really usable in large conflicts. IMO Gamma radiation is so powerful though I don’t see anyone ever achieving this. You might have a team of Radiants working together during a high storm and maybe focusing all their power on a fabrial designed to collect that energy an redirect it, but like you said also it might be so powerful they decide not to use it though they could. I see light weavers though more strategic laying traps and ambushes creating lies false hope like the enemy thinking they have reinforcements coming up from behind but in reality it the enemy in disguise.

If NightBlood kills on the physical realm, cognitive realm, and spiritual realm could it actually kill Odium, or would he just be too strong as he a higher plane of existence so he wouldn’t have to worry about it.