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  1. Araris Valerian
    The write up doesn’t reflect the manner of kill. All 3 deaths from N1 were RPed as from spikes. And besides, if someone else did kill Lotus with a spike, they’d have counter claimed me. I can kill you next to prove my role, if that helps . Also, apologies that I’ve just been reacting and not really helping this turn. I’ll try and post something a bit more substantial later this evening.
  2. Araris Valerian
    I do think this gives me a decent village read on Books. I would expect a villager to be more likely to action scan me (seems to be a recurring thing these days) over an elim. I would also appreciate someone at least considering protecting me this turn. I think I just got put on the top of the elim hit list.
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    I also killed Lotus, and nobody can counterclaim that, so yeah, I am a Coinshot.
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    I hope you don't mind me asking, if you rarely form reads or vote, what exactly do you do? Those are kind of the only things to do in these games (although this one has lots of crazy role stuff)
  5. Araris Valerian
    Illwei, I'll have you know that I have the greatest possible respect for you as a player, and that if I get the means this game, I'll make sure to demonstrate it.
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    I didn’t move there earlier because Drake is one of my greatest suspicions and I wanted to see if I could convince anyone to vote on them. But we were halfway through the cycle and had no trains. An opportunity to pressure someone I suspect is not something I’m going to just ignore. I stand by the vote on TJ, and will continue to do so no matter how he flips. That is the list, yeah.
  7. Araris Valerian
    If you’re referring to this cycle, I had TJ in my suspicion list that I gave at the beginning of the cycle, and I think I’ve explained the reasoning I’ve used a couple of times now. I’m fine if you just want boxings, but please get your facts straight along the way.
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    That... doesn't really matter, as far as my vote is concerned. But also, I think there is sufficient reason for any/all players to die starting from the beginning of C1.
  9. Araris Valerian
    Well, again, I’m sort of working under the assumption that it is easier/more natural for an elim to defend a player than it is for a villager to, because elims know who actually is village, so if a person they defend flips, they are justified in their past defense. Basically, I think defending another player early in the game has some inherent suspiciousness independent of the player being defended.
  10. Araris Valerian
    Okay, I'll move my vote from Drake to TJ.
  11. Araris Valerian
    Oh, I guess I missed that bit. I definitely was interested in the stated justification perhaps more than any implied reasons, which is why I didn’t worry too much about Ash. However, Ash’s vote was kinda pointless (there certainly wasn’t a tie to break, at least), so I still don’t give it a whole lot of weight.
  12. Araris Valerian
    I didn't mean to imply anything about the other votes, I just gave reasons to contrast with the people that emphasized saving Mat. Edit: Summary of the cycle for those who need to catch up:
  13. Araris Valerian
    TJ voted on Experience with the explicit intent of saving Mat. Seems like an easy vote for an elim.
  14. Araris Valerian
    My suspicion is based independently on your votes and your given justifications during C1. So not really. And I think you made it clear in the above post that you have more nuance in what you do than how you expressed yourself earlier, so I don't think we actually disagree much on philosophy. I think we can both agree that very consistently unvoting players that aren't defended is behavior elims could, in theory, take advantage of. I also think we don't want to underestimate the potential inactivity of a SE game. Yeah, someone tried this, and didn't make much headway . Not that I'm complaining or anything. Also, @everyone, just because Drake and I have having a nice discussion here doesn't mean you aren't allowed to vote. Like, is anyone will to join me on Drake? Or does anyone think I've gone so far off my rocker that I should die? Or perhaps something in between? I still hold onto my suspicions of Ventyl, TJ, and Biplet, so I'd be curious to hear the thoughts of other players on them.
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    The problems with this philosophy are that it again lessens the pressure of early votes, and makes it a totally viable strategy for elims to do... nothing. How would anyone have defended Experience last cycle anyways? You can't really defend an inactive player without straying into metagame arguments, and currently the meta is okay will voting off inactive players early.
  16. Araris Valerian
    The heart of my argument is that Mat should have been a perfectly viable D1 vote option (ignoring meta activity things for the moment), regardless of whether he’s done anything suspicious or not. I guess it comes down to a tone thing. You actively defend Mat for... not really much of anything (having votes on himself for a while and giving reads), and you actively attack me, a player that meets the same criterion for which you defended Mat, for what amounts to a misinterpretation of my assumptions and a disagreement over voting philosophy, both of which I gave further justification to. I’m fine with being suspected. But it feels to me like you are being inconsistent. And I don’t really like your connection to the Experience vote either, both how you were instrumental in starting it, and that you bailed after it had picked up. I know you gave reasoning for it, but it doesn’t sit well with me.
  17. Araris Valerian
    The thing is, Drake was pushing me as an alternative to you. Which doesn’t make sense if he was just trying to avoid killing an active player. There was a difference, but if Drake had his way, there wouldn’t have been. Yes. Except post D1, we start to get a better feel for things, and can more justifiably defend other players. And while I think that in the long run for meta reasons not always killing active players early is helpful both to the village and for the health of the community, it’s the sort of general villagery thing that any elim can easily get behind.
  18. Araris Valerian
    I'm just gonna say, as someone who leaves this game in an open tab just about 24/7, that this is a pretty bogus reason to suspect someone. I'm also interested that you find tie avoidance to be more suspicious than attempts to preserve a player of unknown alignment.
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    Okay, so who am I suspicious of? Well, Drake is the first person that comes to mind, for simultaneously attacking me and defending Mat. I'm not exactly sure why people were super against killing Mat, but I got the general feel that it was because he has a reputation as an active, helpful villager. I'd like to think that I possess a similar reputation. So I'm not quite sure why it makes sense to want to keep Mat alive C1 but to go after me. There are essentially 3 points of disagreement here. The first is whether Mat was a good vote option last cycle. The second is whether I was a good vote option. The third is that there was some significant difference between me/Mat being good vote options. Next would be everyone who voted on Experience with the express intent of keeping Mat alive. Like, sure, Mat could be village. I don't think that Mat-ters a whole lot right now. The issue is that the Mat train potentially gave elims something easy to deflect off of onto an inactive. In this list is TJ and Drake (again). Ash voted for the reason of avoiding ties, Ventyl voted in self-preservation (kinda suspicious, but not the same thing), and Archer's vote came way earlier in the cycle. Mat voted in self-preservation obviously. Other people would be Ventyl, who was not really in any danger and didn't need to vote for Experience, and Biplet (who I'm sad I suspect because we had a nice PM going), since she definitely solidified the Experience train.
  20. Araris Valerian
    Okay, so the thing is, we didn't have any reason to believe anything one way or the other about the vote last turn. We had nothing concrete on anyone involved, so I was perfectly content to kill one of them off. I'm really not sure we ever get great justification to defend anyone D1. There are some exceptions, of course, but we should be creating pressure on players, not trying to relieve it. Elims are sort of in the boat of wanting to defend a lot more than attack, since they actually know who is village, and of course they don't want to kill their teammates as well. I certainly don't have a village read on Mat right now, and would be happy to vote for him again next cycle, although I can probably come up with a better option. If the statement "No player's first vote on D1 will be there by the end of the turn" is true, then there is literally no point behind the first vote that any player makes, except in allowing them to place a second vote. I'm doing my best to make said statement be occasionally false, since it fosters more discussion if people are worried that I actually want to kill them. Why do we want to avert the outcome? We killed someone (this is a good thing), and I don't think anyone actually expected us to hit an elim. Yeah, we killed a tineye, but the game is role madness, and we could just as easily have taken out a protection role or something. There is almost never a "good choice" D1. And I think the fact that a bunch of people had strong enough opinions to change their votes at cycle end is interesting enough to justify our results.
  21. Araris Valerian
    The philosophy only works if we actually follow the initial votes of this cycle to their conclusion, given that few other options have naturally risen. Elim!Araris (and village!Araris, I must admit) is often very happy to ignore a C1 vote on himself because if you just wait and ignore it long enough, people move on. Based on that experience, I’m not (moving my vote, that is). I’m actually more curious to see a flip from Mat now that you appear to be actively defending him. Like, what good is any early vote C1 if everyone knows it will just always move? This is the entire point behind a stab vote. Sometimes the votes just need to stay. With regards to me having TMI, I simply didn’t make the assumption you say I did. I assume that vote manipulation will make the outcome of the vote less predictable for the elims. Hence, if an elim is in danger, the elims will want to make the outcome more predictable through action in the thread. It’s basically the meta these days for elims to have vote manip. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a significant risk to leave things close.
  22. Araris Valerian
    I already explained this. Mat already had a vote on him, and I wanted to create pressure. I never place "poke votes"; my votes are always placed with intent to kill. I coined the term "stab vote" to describe what I aim for with my D1 votes: not a whole lot of reasoning, but I'm definitely willing to get my hands dirty nonetheless.
  23. Araris Valerian
    Okay, I'm going to try and give some thoughts on things. The first is kind of related to Szeth and the boxings, being that kill actions give the killer 50% of the dead player's cash, plus a single random item from among their belongings. Basically, I think this means that the elims are basically guaranteed to get the Lerasium if they want it, and that they would know this. So I have a rather mild village read on Szeth. On a related note, if a player has a protection role, I would suggest taking into account activity levels (and hence boxing amounts) when deciding who to protect. I definitely won't recommend anything like always protecting the player that won the 3 boxing award for most posts, but it's certainly something to keep in the back of our heads. I will also say with regards to Szeth that being concerned about dying/getting suspected is more of an elim mindset than a village one though. Like, it's one thing to avoid behavior that is suspicious in the current meta. It's another to essentially put off playing until later to be "safer". But this could just be newplayerthatdoesn'twanttodie!Szeth instead of elim!Szeth. Something I've taken note of for sure. As far as votes go, I'm happy with both Experience and Matrim as options. I don't really have any thoughts on Ventyl. My vote is not going to move for now, since I think it gives people that have yet to vote a few more options.
  24. Araris Valerian
    Sweeper wandered the meeting hall, broom held at the ready. After all the cleaning he'd done the day before, there really shouldn't have been much of a mess today. But, politicians being politicians, the place was in even worse condition. One might think that arguing about trains and murdering folks would be a low maintenance activity. One might think that, but one would be mistake. Why, just a few hours ago Sweeper had been dusting the floor, paying absolutely no heed to the conversations about rebels and so forth, when his broom got stuck in some spilled juice. He certainly hadn't been distracted about talk of killing folks, so he wasn't quite sure how he'd missed seeing it. The sticky stuff had taken hours to clean off, and he'd left the floor the way it was. No self-respecting sweeper would lower himself to using a mop, after all. While making his rounds, Sweeper had accidentally overheard some mention of walking back to Elendel. But that was preposterous! After all, there'd be nothing to sweep while they were walking. He supposed that there was the road, but roads were bothersome to clean. Especially dirt roads, which tended to stay dirty regardless of how long one spent sweeping them.
  25. Araris Valerian
    @Matrim's Dice, if there isn't much voting that goes on before cycle end, we can probably assume that most of the people who currently have votes are village, since there is vote manip in this game, and I doubt the elims would want to risk losing a player this early.
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