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Just to mention, I have had that second bug a few times over the past month as well. I don't think I saw it earlier than that. I could be remembering wrong of course.

Some of those are truly awesome! Better than mine : P, but hey, at least mine is unique : ) Good job at the signing Flash *salutes*. *And upvotes* Man I wish I could go to one and help with these.

It seems to pop up very frequently when posting or pming. But in my experience thus far it hasn't actually stopped me from doing anything. It's nice to have a bug that doesn't really break anything.

Quick apology: I probably will be less active this game than I have been in the past. A combination of Uni starting again, my MAG campaigns moving along/starting, planning for the next elimination game, and a number of other personal commitments and projects. I'll still be on each day to give my input and vote and a bit of rp though. Clan glared at Maw. "You'l find as you get older that being woken at unRulerly hours of the night leaves you with a need for sleep. Regardless, I wasn' havin' a go at those volunteering. I was warning Cyrus that he ought to have been paying closer attention to those he let get close to him when 'e new someone was out ta kill im." "We shuld be wary of those 'oo are new around here and haven't appeared since the murder's las' night. Alon fits tha' bill quite nicely." I agree that we need to throw accusations around and see what people say. Suggesting this strategy is precisely what got me killed last game. Clan glared at Maw again, "Some of us 'ave done more an ow fair share of work in the past. Those oo've got it easy ought ta quit ther' bellyachin."

Not as of yet, though i may add one. At the moment the lifeless commands are held by 1 player, giving them essentially the same powers as a coinshot. They can choose to tell the commands to someone else but the commands cannot be used that night as changing the commands takes an action, and the original player can no longer command the lifeless So it could be useful if they thought they were going to die but if they give them to one of the "spiked" who aren't spiked, but more on that another time. Another option is that they are free to tell anyone the command anytime through pm. However, if two people command the lifeless to kill someone in the same night nothing happens, and anyone who knows the command can spend their night action to change the command. If someone else tries to use the lifeless on the same night the commands still change and the attack doesn't happen. If two people try to change the commands on the same night then nothing happens. This is a general message to everyone. If you post any words or radiance spoilers in the Roleplaying section without using spoiler tags and appropriate warnings. At night when it's very dark and everyone is asleep I will come to your house, and read your copy of Words of Radiance!....Actually that isn't really all that threatening is it? I know! I will wake you every time I get excited by something and want to talk about it....wait. Dangit, I need to work on my threats. Seriously though, please don't : )

Thing is, a lot of his jokes hid a secondary meaning as well. He said remarkably little that didn't have at least some potential other meaning and he isn't exactly quiet "For the First Time in Forever" is an awesome song and a good analysis could definately be written for it. I guess I felt that it was more obvious in it's meaning and more obviously a great song so less in need of analysis, "Love is an open door" required a bit more thought to get so much out of it Personally I'm still not a huge fan of the trolls either. I get how they work with the plot, I get how they are important and I get how "Fixer-upper" is important to setting up the film's resolution. They still didn't feel quite as good as the rest of the movie. Actually this bothered me a little too, Hans use of "like" in that way in particular made me like him less, which is appropriate I suppose.

Well played to both sides. It came very close at the end there. Particular mentions should go to Awesomeness for his late-game spiked killing and to Princess for her very successful early to mid-game inquisitor play. Yeah I don't really feel that I was particularly part of either side, I mean getting coinshotted by a crewmember on the first night made me less disposed toward the crew afterall : P

I can hear them, I only listened to the first few seconds to check if I could though. My copy is yet to arrive

So are we

Clan had difficulty sleeping, that wasn't unusual. He often longed for the easy sleep of his youth. Tonight was worse than most though. The deaths and the meeting yesterday had disturbed him. So many villagers uniting behind Cyrus, proudly claiming they would protect him, so certain that they could catch the murderers. A bold optimism that they could take whatever came out them. Overconfidence killed, every time. Clan had seen the like before. He knew that he had made the others angry with his outburst, but it had needed saying. With murderers in the village inviting everyone to help protect you is a wonderful way to give one of the murderer a place behind your back and hand him a knife. So it was that when the screaming started Clan woke immediately. He sighed, then pulled aside the covers and slowly levered himself out of bed. He had slept in his clothes, expecting something like this to happen. So he didn't have to waste the few minutes it would take to get dressed. Mists but he hated being old. He picked up his cane and slowly but resolutely stepped across the room and out into the mists towards the sound of the screaming. By the time Clan arrived a small crowd had gathered around the body. Clan pushed through to check the body for himself. With difficulty Clan rolled Cyrus's body over, revealing the dagger through his heart. He cursed to himself, there was no way even Cyrus could have survived that. Clan bowed his head. Oh you mist-cursed fool, why did you come out here?

I might start doing it in other places too. It's too much fun Yup. Starting now. To put something actually interesting here: I am currently working on rules for a Nalthis elimination. I'll post them here shortly when I've got a little more done on them. And yes, game 4 will be set on Nalthis.

It happens every now and then, perhaps more often than you would think. Someone always balances it out when the person posts saying what happened

We all had a lot of fun. Hero's narration was fittingly epic. A quick lowdown on the characters, in order of appearance: Robert Erikell (Kurkistan): The lord of house Erikell, Robert was an electrum savant. He was neither brave nor remarkably intelligent but he was a highly capable leader, able to inspire courage and loyalty in his men, and he strove for a time when the tyranny of the lord Ruler was no more. Robert spent years tirelessly gathering troops and allies for the illfated assassination attempt. Eddard Lekal (Me!): Eddard was the lord of house Lekal, he met Robert at an early age and the two of them became fast friends. Eddard was a skilled pewterarm and at an early point in his life was kidnapped by hemalurgic cultists and through their experiments gained a brass spike containing feruchemical zinc. He joined the fight against the lord Ruler to support Robert and to avenge his sister Lyanna who had been taken and murdered by the lord Prelan. Jastes Hasting or 'Shadow' (Kadrok): Shadow was a powerful mistborn assassin who had attained a rare mastery of iron and steel. His entire house fell during a house war and his family was almost eradicated despite his best efforts and Shadow turned his hatred on the lord Ruler for "allowing" house Hastings to fall. Disgusted with the so called 'god' Shadow turned his every effort to the tyrants destruction. Vorun (Gil-galad): Vorun was a feruchemist whose village was destroyed by the inquisitors who were hunting him. He choose not to join the synod, disgusted by their lack of action. Driven by an unsatisfiable thirst for vengance for the destruction of his village Vorun spent years fighting with the rebellion before joining Robert's assassination attempt. Rashek: The lord Ruler, the self-called sliver of infinity. The only known fullborn to ever exist. Hundreds of years old and incredibly skilled with both allomancy and feruchemy. The target.

We've been seeding in agents for months. Soon, very soon, we will be ready to take over, then we will hold the site hostage to convince Brandon to come to Australia! That is a terrible plan, but hey, all evil genius plans have to be flawed right? Have to give the hero's a chance ; )

Indeed. Try to enjoy it as much as possible when you do, that's the best way

"I don't care, what they're going to say!" Edit: I apologize, but, it had to be said.

I suppose dorm rooms wouldn't work to well for belting it out though "Let it go" and variations thereof feel like songs that really need to be, well, let go I just doesn't have the same punch otherwise. All the same it was pretty good. You do keep selling yourself short on these, some people are indeed painful to listen to, but you are far better than that. Singing with more confidence in your singing ability would improve the sound further

The MAG doesn't really talk about this. It talks about the basics of how spikes work and then starts talking rules and gameplay but it doesn't talk about what happens internally when someone receives a spike.

It's a great song. Though, I'm not sure I would have called it a great fit for valentines day when thinking about what it actually means Thanks. This made me happy A couple of other comments on it that I thought of later. This bugged me when I was memorizing the lyrics because I thought I had it wrong and I couldn't think what it could actually be. But it turned out it was like that (I'm focusing on the "You." "And I" to be clear.) It is further emphasis in the song that there is something wrong here and that they are not in any way "meant to be" or perfect for eachother. That this sequence doesn't make sense further puts the lie to their supposed "mental synchronization". And one other comment: Sound kind of similar? It's certainly not exactly the same but has similarities. Just another of the parallels and ongoing themes in Frozen

Is Wax's father a rioter? Were ladrian and co building the ironspire tower? --Miles second base was at the ironspire tower, he didn't like it because it was too much under 'Suit's' control -I know that cos he specifically thought that he had resisted using that second hideout, which Edwarn had suggested and wanted to move out of it again as soon as possible --lord Edwarn Ladrian said most of his groups resources were tied up in a specific project --The group were trying to make Tekiel go broke, competetion for the highest tower was fierce...and expensive The symbol in the treatise mettalurgic in mistborn adventure game: looks mettalurgic, symbol for allomancy/preservation/harmony/metallurgy/adonalsinium? Can iron/steel effect metal on the otherside of a bendalloy/cadmium bubble, similarly can emotional allomancy effect people on the other side? Given that: A: Duralumin spikes can sometimes completely override the recipients personality with the victims B: A haemalurgic spike can be made without killing the victim So, could you potentially end up with essentially 2 of the same person, but in different bodies? (Although both would probably have a weaker personality than the original person, this could be rectified with huge quantities of feruchemic alluminium (identity)). We are looking at cloning your mind into someone elses body here. Is this theoretically possible? Did Tarah (the girl who pulled Kaladin out of his single-minded whatever after Tien died, and he mentions he failed her in some major way) appear in way of kings? “Arsteel always got to be the mean one,” — Tonk Fah on Arsteel. did Arsteel actually enjoy playing bad cop or did he do it to prevent Tonk Fah from doing it. How much breath did Denth have during Warbreaker, must have had some. Does metal have to be in an allomancer's for a leecher to effect it? Or just inside a human? Or just inside a living thing? If Inquisitors could theoretically burn their spikes does that mean a leecher could also effect them? Different but related discussion: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/37 ... the-surge/ How long does it take for someone who has had 4 iron spikes in to become a koloss, how fast are the changes? There's some of my current non-realmatic heavy wonderings.

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/2868-the-where-are-you-from-thread/ http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4864-where-are-you-from/ Australia. English.

Here I go again Ok, so I have memorized the majority of songs in frozen now. When I was working on memorizing "Love is an open door" it really got me thinking about the song, what it means, what it does and how it does it. Initially I didn't like the song that much as it just seemed like a silly disney love duet without any particular significance other than hinting at Hans character and demonstrating more of Anna's. Now I think it is an excellent song, very disturbing, but expertly crafted to be exactly what it is intended to be. Then I started contrasting it with "I see the light" from Tangled. So here is an analysis of sorts of the two and their similarities and differences. First off, let's talk about the similarities. The lyrics of both songs actually talk about remarkably similar things. Both people in both songs speak about their previous lives as being rather bad or unfulfilling. Compare this with in "I see the light" "I see the light" talks about it more, but then again, "love is an open door" had some dialogue along a similar vein just before the song started.Both songs then talk about the two of them being together changing everything. And the most obvious (but not only) example from "I see the light" Then there is the concept of being "Where I'm meant to be." (I am fully aware of the differences between what Anna and Hans are singing, but I will talk about that later.) You could also take some of the lyrics from both to be regarding appearance, However this one I will note right here. Anna's "see your face" is focusing purely on appearance and shows the shallowness of her actual feelings for Hans. The line "Now that I see you" is referring to far more than appearances..A large chunk of each songs lyrics are dedicated to these notions, so on the surface the lyrics seem to be driving to a similar point, yet the intent and meaning behind the songs is completely different. "I see the light" is about Rapunzel and Eugene coming to realize their love for eachother and that they want to be with eachother. A touching, beautiful, disney love song. "Love is an open door" is about Anna's naive, childish infatuation with Hans and his desire for the kingdom and attempts to manipulate her into marrying him. So how, when the lyrics deal with such similar topics, are the songs meanings so utterly different? Here's what I have noticed. Love It is interesting to note that "I see the light" never once mentions the word love, yet the love that is growing between Rapunzel and Eugene is obvious from their expressions, actions, the delivery of the lyrics and the focus on being with eachother. "Love is an open door" mentions love a lot, like it was some special keyword to make it work. Where in truth there is very little to do with love at all in the song. Anna certainly isn't in love, as much as she believes herself to be, she is fixated on Hans because of his appearance ("I see your face") and charming attitude and believes herself to be in love despite having little concept at that point as to what love actually is. But beyond that, part of her fixation on Hans is her longing for freedom and Hans presents an opportunity for that. This isn't a calculated move to use him to secure that freedom the way Hans is using her, but it does, partly subconsciously, factor into how she views him. So instead of love we have naive foolishness, but on Hans side things are much worse. Hans views the entire relationship as his opportunity to get a throne, he doesn't love Anna, he would prefer it if she thought well of him because he enjoys being viewed as a good guy but all that is secondary to getting the throne. This leads into my next observation: Togetherness Rapunzel and Eugene, while having extremely different backgrounds are both singing about the same thing in "I see the light". The realization of their feelings for eachother and how they want to be together. (Put simply). Anna and Hans on the other hand, as noted above, are singing about completely different things and experiencing completely different emotions. The actual line "Love is an open door" is brilliantly crafted example of this and does a great job of summarizing the song as a whole as to Anna it means love is someone accepting you and not shutting you out, which, while true and a reflection of Elsa and her own imperfect view of what love is, is far from being all love is. But to Hans the line means something completely different, an "open door" is an opportunity, so when he sings that seemingly cute, love line he is actually singing about her "love" is simply an opportunity or a tool he can use to gain what he wants. This has already headed into my next point: As Peter noted earlier in the thread in the opening parts of the song Anna sings about Hans, in particular his appearance: While Hans is clearly thinking of the kingdom and his desire to have it. Even when they say the same line "But with you" they mean different things to them. To Anna, Hans means freedom as well as what she thinks is "love", but to Hans, even that seemingly innocent line has a double-meaning that highlights how he views Anna as a means to an end. To translate it to what he is effectively saying, "Using you I can get my kingdom". (Man, this guy, grrrrr.)The massive difference in what the two are singing about greatly sets the song apart from "I see the light", further changing the meaning of the song. Reason for the relationship I have already talked about this to some degree in the other points so I will be brief but it does deserve noting. The reason behind Rapunzel and Eugene's relationship is there mutual affection and how much they are coming to care for eachother. The reasoning behind Anna and Hans relationship is almost entirely selfish. Hans, obviously, sees her as a means to an end, and wants the relationship to secure the kingdom for himself. Anna could easily be seen as a victim here, which she is, but her motivations, while not intentionally bad, are still very much selfish. She wants the relationship partly for the freedom, partly because she wants to feel loved, but at no point is she really focused on Hans as a person. She focuses on his appearance because she wants to be with someone good-looking, but she doesn't really care about him as a person. I am not trying to paint Anna as a bad person here, she isn't. However I would feel sorry for Hans if he genuinely cared for her and wasn't just trying to use her, because that kind of relationship is not going to last or end well. Synchronization In "Love is an open door" there is the line regarding synchronization: Yet they clearly do not have much in the way of synchronization. Again, Peter already pointed out the contrast between them and the scene with Elsa and Anna talking at the ball and "Chocolate!". However I would like to further note how obvious it is in the song itself, especially when compared to "I see the light".In "I see the light" Rapunzel sings the whole first verse and chorus by herself, but not out loud. Then Eugene sings a verse also not out loud and then they both sing the chorus out loud together. At first this bothered me as it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I put it aside as the kind of thing you have to put up with in musical films like these. Looking at it again now though it cleverly highlights just how similarly they are feeling and thinking and provides a strong contrast to Anna and Hans in "Love is an open door". The most obvious example of how they aren't thinking along the same lines at all is the sandwiches line: Sure, that Anna and Hans were thinking different things for the end is obvious, but that Anna had to say "What?" is another standout point showing that they don't have any sort of mental synchronization. The lines directly following that continue the theme as while they are singing about how synchronized they are the lyrics and timing continue to demonstrate that they aren't. Anna gets halfway through the next line before Hans realizes where she is going with it and joins in. A further contrast can be seen by how "Love is open door" is full of call and answer segments. They very very frequently sing one line each and the only times they sing the same lines at the same time for more than a single line are in the chorus segments and in the very section where they are talking about their supposed "synchronization". This contrasts greatly with "I see the light" where they sing perfectly together. In "Love is an open door" they sound more like they are doing an average job of one of the word games where you have to continue from the phrase the last person said. Music Finally I would like to note the drastic differences in style between the songs. "I see the light" has the orchestral (and guitar) providing a serious, melodious, beautiful backing to the song. Suiting the seriousness and earnest truth of what they are singing and their feelings. "Love is an open door"s backing music on the other hand is far more playful, fitting with the lyrics as they jump around the place and bounce back and forth between Anna and Hans. It has lots of percussion and a jaunty beat which reflects how their feelings for eachother are very much surface level. If you are wondering if that is just the style they chose to use in Frozen go rewatch "Let it go" which has a lonely piano as the backing for the early part of the song and minimal other instruments later. Or as in "Do you want to build a snowman." So clearly the style chosen for "Love is an open door" was intentionally chosen for that specific piece. So, far from being a fairly standard silly/fun disney love song "Love is an open door" manages to be a unique, brilliantly crafted song that perfectly captures Anna and Hans's relationship and gives us a good insight into their characters. Is it as good as "Let it go"? Well, no. But "Let it go" is in a whole different class and "Love is an open door" clearly has the same level of thought and clever decisions that are present throughout the movie. Edit: Oh wow. I knew it was getting long, but, geeze. Oh well, I hope someone gets something out of it

Can you put the exact quote in? I didn't recall him mentioning sleep, just storing a lot at once though it is entirely possible that I just don't remember. It is also possible he meant sleeping it off after storing.

Aluminium mistings being "gnats" who don't seem to have any useful ability beyond potentially flushing poisons from their body (You probably already knew that and just mistyped, sorry.)

Fools. Clan thought. The murderer is certainly in this room. And those blind fools all feel the need to declare that they will stay guarding him so the murderer will know exactly who he or she must face.Feh. "Be 'ware of those who pretend to guard you." Was all Clan said before turning to storm out. "Cursed old legs", Clan muttered to himself as he slowly staggered through the crowd, "can' even be dramatic anymore."